Lion of the Blogosphere

Muslims celebrating: why Donald Trump is right

Here is the original clip where Donald Trump says “I watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering.”

Donald Trump did NOT say that there were thousands of Muslims at a single mass celebration. If there were at least two thousand people “cheering” throughout Jersey City, even though in small groups, then Donald Trump spoke the truth.

There were perhaps 10,000 Muslims living in Jersey City at the time. Did 20% of them cheer? No one was around to count them as they cheered and celebrated. And there was no task force set up to attempt to count them after the fact. It’s not illegal to cheer, so there was no police investigation. And it’s not a story the mainstream media was the least bit interested in investigating, because one of their objectives in post-9/11 reporting was to tell us not to hate the Muslims who live among us, and a factual investigation of the number of Muslims living among us who celebrated the 9/11 attacks would have the opposite effect of inciting Americans to hate Muslims.

Now consider this: there were and still are hundreds of thousands of Muslims living in the greater New York City metropolitan area at the time. If only one percent of them cheered, then it would be true that thousands of Muslims in the New York City metropolitan area did cheer. And the distinction between just Jersey City and the entire metropolitan area is not a distinction the mainstream media will concede.

No, the first reaction of the mainstream media to Trump’s comments was to insist that not a single Muslim cheered anywhere, and any such reports were false rumors. Well, it has now been proven that the mainstream media lied to you. The evidence that the mainstream media outright lied is well documented by this article at Breitbart. There are many accounts of Muslims celebrating the 9/11 attacks. Furthermore, the mainstream media has refused to own up to its lies, and instead they are still trying to push the story that not a single Muslim celebrated anywhere. MTV even had an eyewitness (a Hispanic woman) who in 2001 said that she saw Muslims celebrating in Patterson New Jersey recant her story. The mainstream media hypocritically accuses Trump of lying, yet they are clearly engaging in a conspiracy to hide from the American public the fact that some Muslims living among us celebrated the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

For reasons explained in this blog post by Luboš Motl, it’s simply willful ignorance or outright deceit to believe or claim that an unacceptable percentage of Muslims in the United States didn’t celebrate the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

Thus I conclude that, even though Trump may have exaggerated the number of Muslims specifically celebrating in Jersey City (or maybe he didn’t, Luboš Motl thinks it’s a reasonable estimate), the spirit of his claim is correct, while the reaction by the mainstream media is outright deceitful.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

December 2, 2015 at 1:17 pm

Posted in Politics

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  1. So we have a dishonest media that are basically the agit-prop operation for the prevailing leftist orthodoxy. This has been going on at least since the days of Walter Duranty, if not earlier.

    Sgt. Joe Friday

    December 2, 2015 at 1:38 pm

  2. All right, I accept all that.

    But tactically speaking, is it a good idea to say something that requires five Lion posts to sort out and explain? Hardly anyone is ever going to read them. The typical American voter is not very intelligent and cannot handle complicated explanations of issues. And on this stuff, the MSM is not motivated to help them understand it. This sort of issue, invoking religion and “race” and an American fifth column, becomes a tar baby unless you handle it perfectly from the get-go.

    But given that he said it, you’ve probably pointed out the direction of best defense. It’s just that because of mutual inaccuracy if Trump indicts the media for lying for being incorrect he’s also indictable himself, even though it’s unlikely he was intending to deceive.

    Dumb Voter will probably figure they were both lying. But Trump’s the only one running for office, so the tangible harm falls on him.


    December 2, 2015 at 1:46 pm

    • I’m sorry there were so many posts. In retrospect, the post about the Cyndi Lauper video Time After Time is the best post this week.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 2, 2015 at 1:51 pm

      • For the record, I wasn’t complaining about the multiple posts, which are quite informative in bringing together a lot of disparate stuff. When I said hardly anyone would read them, I meant out of the U.S. electorate of 130 million.


        December 2, 2015 at 1:59 pm

      • It’s good to have a substantial record of muslims celebrating 9/11, not least because of the gas lighting by the media.


        December 2, 2015 at 4:43 pm

  3. I think it’s a later follow up where he says “he saw it”

    Whether he means he saw thousands or just saw some, you can decide for yourself.

    December 2, 2015 at 3:28 pm

  4. That’s not what he’s claiming, he said he saw thousands and thousands on the news… I watched the news continuously for days and never saw anything approaching that… I saw large groups celebrating in the middle east, and maybe there were some shots of Arab loyalists in country celebrating in some small scale… Trump did not say “there were probably many small pockets of Muslims celebrating in New Jersey that could add up to a couple thousand”… he said he saw, on the news, “thousands and thousands”… fact is, he did not.


    December 2, 2015 at 3:58 pm

  5. Like I said in a previous post, the muslim issue is a HUGE winner for Trump. If terrorist attacks materialize from among muslim immigrants or refugees, this could create a landslide victory. Check out these numbers.


    December 2, 2015 at 4:30 pm

  6. I don’t think splitting hairs is really necessary. What matters is a bunch of sand nags were caught on tape cheering while people were dying. They were doing this all while benefiting from living in the US (and who knows how much US charity they benefited from), not living in the shit holes they came from. Kick them out.

    hall of fame poster

    December 2, 2015 at 8:40 pm

    • no? it’s not splitting hairs to say thousands when it’s really just a few guys? But even that tape hasn’t been produced.


      December 2, 2015 at 8:43 pm

  7. I dislike Muslims, but I hadn’t realized how much I am influenced by the media.

    Muslims celebrated 9/11 was just not part of the media narrative.

    I remember the sickening attempts to say that Muslims are good people, and that Muslims died in the 9/11 attacks and so on. People even tried to make women in hijabs feel more comfortable.


    December 2, 2015 at 10:20 pm

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