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Rudy Giuliani for vice president

Trump should pick Rudy Giuliani for vice president.

The most important rule for picking a vice president is that he should do no harm. No one ever wins an election because of a vice presidential pick, but they can lose elections because of it. Trump needs to avoid bad picks like Geraldine Ferraro, Dan Quayle, Admiral James Stockdale, Sarah Palin and Paul Ryan. (Paul Ryan may not have been as bad as Sarah Palin, but he looked like a little kid beta-male, and not someone with the gravitas to be president.)

The key for picking a vice president is whether the public would be comfortable with him (or her) stepping up to the plate if the president died during a time of crisis. That’s why Dick Cheney was the only good Republican vice presidential pick since Ronald Reagan tapped George H.W. Bush. (Jack Kemp was probably also OK, but that was such a forgettable election; Bob Dole had no chance even if Jesus returned to be his vice president.)

The benefit of Giuliani is that he is thoroughly vetted because he ran a pretty successful campaign for the Republican nomination in 2008. Now, I can hear readers snickering “but he lost.” That doesn’t matter. McCain or Romney are not going to be Giuliani’s vice president. Nor is George W. Bush. Most of the best picks for vice president, by both Democrats and Republicans, have been men who previously ran for the party’s nomination but lost.

The worst thing is when a presidential nominee picks someone with no national campaign experience, and they turn out to be complete duds. Like Sarah Palin not knowing what newspaper she read. Or Admiral Stockdale turning his hearing aid off during a debate. Giuliani is guaranteed not to make a fool of himself during an interview or a debate.

With ISIS becoming a much bigger issue (and I predict there will be more ISIS attacks between now and the election), who could possibly be a more reassuring vice president than Rudy Giuliani who handled himself incredibly well during 9/11.

Some readers may think they don’t agree with Giuliani’s ideology. That doesn’t matter. Vice presidents don’t make policy. All they do is go to funerals and other events that aren’t important enough for the president to attend himself.

Trump has too much bad blood between everyone else currently running for president right now, except for Cruz. But Cruz would be a horrible pick. Personality wise, Cruz just isn’t very good at taking orders from superiors, which is what a vice president has to do. And the establishment hates Cruz. The only reason it’s not apparent how much the establishment hates Cruz is because they hate Trump even more, and until the most recent polls, Cruz was just seen as an annoyance and not someone who had any chance of winning the nomination. Giuliani, on the other hand, is well liked by the establishment. The liberal NY-based media likes him. Yet Giuliani is also well liked by proles. He doesn’t come off as a rich CEO like Mitt Romney. No one really dislikes Giuliani, which is a key quality in a vice president.

Furthermore, Cruz has absolutely no appeal to anyone besides Tea Party types, and those types are going to vote for Trump no matter who he taps for vice president. Ideally, the vice presidential pick should broaden the support, and Giuliani is the perfect man to help pull in secular white blue-collar voters who normally don’t vote Republican. At the same time, Giuliani’s remarks last winter that Obama doesn’t love America is compatible with the Trump message.

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Giuliani talking about ISIS and attacking Obama on Sean Hannity’s show on Fox News three weeks ago.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

December 6, 2015 at 11:33 am

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  1. Wouldn’t Romney be a better pick? He’s already vetted as well, and has gravitas. When does any candidate pick a running mate from the same state?

    Dave Pinsen

    December 6, 2015 at 11:52 am

    • Dick Cheney, also from Texas, only from Wyoming becauase of a loophole. Trump might be able to claim he’s from Florida using the same loophole.

      Romney is on record for saying that Trump is damaging the party, while Giuliani is on record for saying that Trump has been good for the party. Romney has removed himself from consideration.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 6, 2015 at 11:58 am

      • What “loophole” are you talking about? Dick Cheney went to high school in Wyoming, got two degrees from the University of Wyoming, and represented Wyoming in Congress for 5 terms.

        Dave Pinsen

        December 6, 2015 at 5:23 pm

      • He was a resident of Texas at the time and had to move back to Wyoming.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 6, 2015 at 6:40 pm

      • Why did he need to be a Wyoming resident at that point? He was out of the House by then wasn’t he, working for Halliburton?

        Mrs Stitch

        December 6, 2015 at 10:40 pm

    • @Dave Pinsen: Romney would be an insane pick. He is hated by the blue collar Democrats who are crucial to the Trump campaign. Anathema. Also, he’s a CEO type and won’t take orders from Trump. Two alphas = disaster.

      @Lion: Giuliani would also be terrible. Do no harm? Have you forgotten about the black vote? I personally don’t care about it because I don’t think they will vote for him anyway, but you do. Giuliani would not balance the ticket, or bring anything to it that Trump himself can’t.

      I think Jeff Sessions would be perfect. Unlikely – but perfect.


      December 6, 2015 at 4:22 pm

      • You just like Jeff Sessions because he’s anti-immigrant, but as I keep saying, the vice president does NOT MAKE POLICY, he just attends funerals. How do you know how well Sessions handles himself in interviews? In debates? If he has any surprise skeletons in the closet? Does he have enough gravitas to be president? Giulinai is a 100% surprise-free choice.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 6, 2015 at 6:39 pm

      • And you just like Giuliani because? I note you didn’t address the issue of blacks hating Rudy. They do.

        And how would Sessions be making policy? He wouldn’t be. Trump needs someone who knows Congress.

        I’ve been watching Sessions for a while – he handles himself better in interviews than Giuliani. Gravitas? Giuliani? Are you kidding? And he probably has even more skeletons in his closet than we’ve heard. I don’t think you’re very objective about this, Lion.


        December 6, 2015 at 8:39 pm

      • You just like Jeff Sessions because he’s anti-immigrant, but as I keep saying, the vice president does NOT MAKE POLICY, he just attends funerals.

        Dick Cheney did a lot more than attend funerals. Really depends on the administration. Also, the VP is the president of the Senate, and has a tie-breaker vote there. Given that Trump is a big-picture guy, he’ll want a VP who he can delegate some things too.

        Dave Pinsen

        December 6, 2015 at 9:00 pm

    • Romney has the stink of LOSER all over him. Also it makes it the all-plutocrat ticket. And Trump doesn’t need Romney’s supposed financial acumen, whatever that is.


      December 6, 2015 at 9:11 pm

  2. The Constitution requires the President and Vice President to be from different states, so Giuliani is out unless they can come up with some obscure legal jujitsu. I agree that Cruz would not be a very useful pick, although I suspect Trump might choose him just because he’s been the nicest rival to him and Trump values personal bonhomie. Christie makes sense as a guy with prole appeal and strong debating skills, but there would be a lot of people around Trump advising him not to make it a full Northeasterner ticket. In a time where most regional accents are fading and people move a lot I don’t think that would be nearly as much a problem as it would have been 50 years ago, however.


    December 6, 2015 at 12:05 pm

    • Trump owns a mansion in Florida. Cheney and Bush were both from Texas, and Cheney registered to vote from Wyoming to prove he was from a different state.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 6, 2015 at 12:08 pm

    • *The Constitution requires the President and Vice President to be from different states*

      Uh, no.

      But it would be un-strategic to have two candidates from the same state, much less the same city. Trump will pick an establishment-friendly Southerner.


      December 6, 2015 at 3:03 pm

      • The 12th Amendment says that when the Electoral College meets to formally vote for President and Vice President, at least one member of the ticket must be from a different state than the Elector casting the ballot.


        December 6, 2015 at 9:08 pm

      • Right. If the President and VP candidate are from the same state, then that state’s electors can’t vote for both of them. No other states’ electors are affected. It would never matter at all unless Trump/Giuliani carried New York. Even then, worst case scenario is that Trump gets elected but the Democrats get the vice-presidency. Well … I guess really worst case would be if New York’s Republican electors decide to throw the election to the House in an effort to get somebody else other than Trump as president. That would be weird. Anyway, it probably wouldn’t affect the election at all.

        Besides, the legal jujitsu required to avoid the issue completely probably isn’t very difficult. Bush and Cheney were both living in Texas … Cheney simply registered to vote in Wyoming. Probably not difficult if you’re wealthy. Giuliani’s law firm is based in Houston. Maybe, poof, he suddenly decides that he lives in Houston now.

        Greg Pandatshang

        December 6, 2015 at 10:50 pm

      • “Even then, worst case scenario is that Trump gets elected but the Democrats get the vice-presidency.”

        Wouldn’t happen. Electors could be asked to vote for an alternate choice picked by Trump.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 6, 2015 at 11:35 pm

  3. the vice presidential choice is supposed to broaden the candidate’s appeal and offset a candidate’s lacking or negative qualities. As a brash new yorker with questionable persobal history, guiliani is a terrible choice.

    Trump needs someone like ben carson — someone who is unapologeticallu conservative, but warmer and soft spoken. for this person to be a minority or a woman would be an important added bonus — especially if trump can find a credible hispanic. Imagine that – a professional, soft spoken hispanic nevertheless 100% in support of
    trump’s immigration stance. that would be a real mindfuck to liberals and the msm. Someone like alberto gonzales comes to mind, minus the part about him being pro-immigration and throughly discraced. But someone with the image and public persona of alberto gonzales would be perfect.

    Here’s another interesting pick — his daughter, ivanka trump. poised, well mannered, visceral proof of trump’s success, and the perfect complimeny to his roughness around he edges. After all, he kept his business in the family, why not his cabinet?


    December 6, 2015 at 12:18 pm

    • No one thinks that Ben Carson is ready to be President if Trump dies in a terrorist attack. Horrible pick.

      I just explained in the post that Giuliani broadens the appeal to blue-collar whites who normally vote Democratic.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 6, 2015 at 12:21 pm

      • I agree carson would be a terrible pick — what i meant was somebody *like* carson in the sense of being a foil to trump’s brashness.


        December 6, 2015 at 12:50 pm

      • JM has a point, though maybe not in the way he meant. Too many Evangelicals don’t like Trump. Without someone who can appeal to social conservatism, the Evangelicals may just stay home on Election Day.


        December 6, 2015 at 2:52 pm

      • a Giuliani pick would be too good to be true..

        Mrs Stitch

        December 6, 2015 at 10:42 pm

    • What about Rubio?


      December 6, 2015 at 12:24 pm

  4. He really needs a running mate who appeals to prole minorities and I think Guiliani fits that because of the 9/11 connection.

    Hopefully he finds other minority surrogates like Diamond and Silk. It matters a lot because plenty of minorities won’t vote for him even if they like him because they think other blacks, latinos, etc. don’t like him and think he’s racist and so it’s wrong to support him. Would be great to get some non-white celebrities to campaign for him as well. Have any done so yet?

    J W

    December 6, 2015 at 12:27 pm

    • The GOP needs the white vote. They will never get more than 5% of the black vote, but they can win if they get 70% of the whites. Talking about appealing to non whites is a fantasy that will cost the GOP dearly.


      December 6, 2015 at 12:51 pm

      • I don’t see how appealing to non whites would hurt his standing with whites since his message is anti-immgration, anti-islamic terrorism, and anti-elitism. A GOP presidential candidate only needs to improve performance with blacks and latinos by maybe 10% or 15% to make it it almost impossible for the Democrats to win. I argue that his personality, and hopefully that of well chosen minroty surrogates can help make that happen. Drawing a lesson from Diamond and Silk, there is no reason why plenty of blacks and latinos can’t be part of the silent majority too.

        J W

        December 6, 2015 at 1:24 pm

      • “…there is no reason why plenty of blacks and latinos can’t be part of the silent majority too.”

        You mean aside from the other issues like crime, education, housing…Colored people vote Democrat because, immigration aside, it really is the best party for them.

        But let’s go along with this for a second. Even if it was true, why would they bother? Whites, in most American elections, cast 70% of the votes. It will take all a competent GOP’s efforts to win that bloc, and it would would bring them far more bang for their buck. What’s so awful about the Republicans targeting their base and leaving the other side to target theirs?


        December 6, 2015 at 2:17 pm

      • Maybe in order to get 70% of the white vote he needs to explicitly advocate for white interests by, for instance, saying he’ll outlaw antiwhite discrimination at all levels or structure housing policy to help whites who want to isolate themselves from blacks.

        Lloyd Llewellyn

        December 6, 2015 at 2:56 pm

    • No GOP candidate appeals to prole minorities better than Trump himself.


      December 6, 2015 at 9:13 pm

  5. I’ve seen cognitive dissonance on Lion’s part before, but today he’s on steroids. Rudy ran a successful campaign for president? The man spent 56 million dollars and ended up with a single delegate. Any other candidate who did this poorly would end up a textbook case of what to avoid. True, other VP candidates have been unsuccessful in presidential nominating attempts, but those people didn’t have any heroic status and sit on top of the polls for almost a year – only to totally bomb as soon as the voting started. And you are wrong. Quayle was not a bad pick – George HW won in 1988 and his re-election failure had nothing to do with Quayle. I’m a bit older than the Lion and remember the 1984 election quite clearly. Ferraro was not at all a bad pick (and no, I’m not saying this because of her ethnicity. She didn’t win Mondale the election, but Reagan had every possible advantage that year and Mondale’s chances were always very small. The research showed that what Ferraro mainly did was prevent Mondale from losing his home state.

    How can you say that nobody disliked Giuliani? The evidence indicates that as a candidate he’s disliked by almost everybody. It’s Rudy the Republican party speech giver who is popular. I do agree with the analysis that VP candidates can hurt, but rarely help (or at least help significantly.) But once again you’re reasoning it both ways. You’re saying that Rudy will draw n more secular white-collar voters because he’s socially liberal/cosmopolitan, then you’re saying that it won’t matter to social conservatives that he’s socially liberal because the VP doesn’t have any real power.

    What explains the Rudy Giuliani obsession that so many people have (Lion isn’t the only one?) A lot of it seems to be people who want the Republican party to be more socially liberal. They think that if you give socons an entertaining heroic “tough guy” they’ll overlook the fact that this person is socially liberal or they’ll accept a promise that said candidate won’t let his “personal views” influence his decisions once in power. It’s a silly fantasy because while some people are dumb enough to be fooled, there is no reason to think that dumbness clusters on one end of the ideological spectrum like this.

    I reasoned in 2007 that the voters who claimed to be supporting Rudy weren’t really serious about him. And the 2008 primary results confirmed my theory. I make no predictions about Trump because his situation is somewhat different. He’s similarly a “feel good” candidate, but one with a substantive issue where he differs from most other candidates.


    December 6, 2015 at 12:39 pm

    • Lion is terrible about talking what other people want. He just thinks everyone wants the same things he does even if some people don’t realize it yet.

      Lloyd Llewellyn

      December 6, 2015 at 2:57 pm

  6. What has Giuliani been up to for the last 8 years? I have a feeling he has been raking in the big bucks through unseemly lobbying and corporate jobs. This will hurt him when he is being vetted again.

    Trump can pull of being a asshole from NYC who tells it as it is. I think 2 NYC assholes on one ticket is going to much for the public to bear.

    A Trump/Rubio ticket may be a good idea if Trump gets Rubio to get on board with his immigration-restriction policy.


    December 6, 2015 at 12:46 pm

    • Rubio looks like a little kid. The VP should be a tough guy like Cheney who can take on ISIS and Putin if the president is incapacitated.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 6, 2015 at 12:51 pm

      • Rubio has a youthful look, yes. But you also said that Cruz looks like a little kid. Toughness in a president has nothing to do with how you look, but what you say and do. I think the voters understand this. And doesn’t Giuliani look like Nosferatu? Not that I’d say this to his face – I don’t like to be cruel.


        December 6, 2015 at 12:57 pm

      • Have you noticed that Paul Ryan recently grew a beard? Maybe he reads Lion too.


        December 6, 2015 at 1:00 pm

  7. Senator Tom Cotton would make a fine V.P. pick


    December 6, 2015 at 12:54 pm

  8. If Trump wins the nomination, he will almost certainly revert to type and run as a centrist, if not a liberal. He’ll probably maintain tough rhetoric on illegal immigration, but will emphasize how pro *legal* immigration he is, and will embrace a center-left line on taxes, abortion, gay marriage, global warming and so on.

    That might be good politics and might help him win. But in that context, he cannot appoint another liberal pro-choice New York Republican as his running mate without the base starting to take a serious second look at him. However, Trump’s own success among evangelicals etc might prove the base isn’t actually as conservative as they claim.

    I predict Trump will not appoint Giuliani if he gets the nomination but will appoint another liberal Repiblican like himself. I don’t think Trump trusts the hard right. That was the whole reason he wanted to run for the Reform party in 2000, he hated the far right as much as the far left.


    December 6, 2015 at 1:02 pm

    • I don’t think Trump is a liberal in his heart. He may have been in the past, but not now. He is pissed off at the humiliations conservatives have received, he really thinks America is going downhill and on twitter he was apoplectic when Obama won in 2012.

      The heart of rock-ribbed conservatism is pissed-off pessimism and Trump has that in spades.


      December 6, 2015 at 7:24 pm

      • I don’t think Trump is a conservative in his heart either. I think he likes money and attention. And he can get more of that by running left once he has the nomination.

        If he gets it, of course.


        December 7, 2015 at 8:50 pm

  9. Reagan picked Bush Sr as his VP cause he need to unify the party around him. If Trump wins the nom he will need to throw the establishment a bone and pick either Rubio or Susanna Martinez. I would prefer Martinez because she is a fresh face and isn’t the total piece of dog crap that Rubio is.

    The prob is that Trump’s only way to get the nomination may very well be to make Ted Cruz his VP in exchange for Cruz’s delegates, and in doing so alienate the establishment even more. Also, Cruz brings nothing to the ticket and puts a lot of people off.

    Otis the Sweaty

    December 6, 2015 at 1:26 pm

  10. One point in Giuliani’s favor is that the Giuliani/Bloomberg tough-on-crime model is currently being vindicated in comparison to de Blaiso.

    Jokah Macpherson

    December 6, 2015 at 1:41 pm

  11. He’s running for President of the USA, not New York. You’re supposed to have geographic balance. I’d love to see them tag-teaming Hillary but it wouldn’t help us.


    December 6, 2015 at 1:47 pm

    • The purpose of a VP pick is not to “help” but to not do any harm. There are no other good options for Trump. I’d hate to see Trump blow the election because of an “exciting” surprise pick that turns out to be a Sarah Palin or a Dan Quayle.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 6, 2015 at 2:02 pm

      • The nomination of someone like Trump would be so out of the ordinary that if it were to occur it likely would mean that the old political rules no longer apply. Since a VP needs to be compatible with a president, it would mean that whoever Trump picked had to have the same views on immigration that he has. What candidate would qualify? Asking seriously because I don’t know.


        December 6, 2015 at 4:00 pm

      • Eh, I don’t know. Going into the general he’s going to have to broaden his appeal, and more New York on the ticket isn’t going to help him anywhere but New York, which he can’t win anyway.

        Don’t get me wrong. I’d LOVE to have two guys who have ridden the subway and eaten Reuben sandwiches trash-talking Hillary. But I think he’d be smarter to take someone from another part of the country, like the South or Midwest. There are plenty of people he could pick from those regions who can’t see Russia from their house and can spell ‘potato’.


        December 7, 2015 at 7:28 pm

  12. I’ve thought about Guilliani as well. He’s been in the media for months talking about how smart Trump is, how much people underestimated him and how he combines the strengths of both Clinton and Reagan. I’d already concluded he’d end up being the vp pick because 1) his presidential run shows he’s not through with politics 2) he’s been supportive of Trump in the press which means he’s open to it and 3) he’s the best option Trump has. I would be excited about a Trump-Guilliani ticket.


    December 6, 2015 at 1:53 pm

    • Two New Yorkers with 6 marriages between them. Two candidates who have admitted to adultery. Two New York City Manhattan guys with attitudes. And let’s not forget that famous clip with Trump and Giuliani dressed up as a woman (at least we might get the transvestite vote.)

      Tell me that if Gore Vidal had a novel with these two men as a Republican presidential ticket you’d say “Gee, what a great idea. We should find two guys like that Trump and that Giuliani?” More likely everyone would be saying “Vidal has some imagination. No way the Republican base would put either of these guys on a ticket”


      December 6, 2015 at 2:07 pm

  13. One of them will have to change their residency to Florida or some other state (otherwise Giuliani would not get NY’s electoral votes due to the Constitution). Other than that, it’s a good strategy.

    Bilbo Baggins

    December 6, 2015 at 2:50 pm

  14. It’s fun to speculate about VP choices, although the general election is still 11 months away. I do think that, barring some disaster, Trump wil get the nomination. His poll numbers continue to build, and the horrible Muslim terror attacks play to his strength as a tough, no-nonsense leader.

    VP John Nance Garner famously said that the vice-presidency “wasn’t worth a cup of warm spit,” and he was probably right. The job is mostly ceremonial, with only as much substance as the president chooses to allow (in many cases, practically none at all). Yet the VP’s name does appear on the ticket with the president, so it’s of some significance during the campaign. Generally VP’s are selected to broaden the appeal or heal intra-party wounds.

    Would Giuliani be a good choice? I think not. There is the constitutional issue that the president and vice-president must be from different states, but the could be avoided by Guiliani’s buying a condo in New Jersey. More importantly, I don’t think Rudy (whom I like) brings anything extra to the ticket. Just another New York City tough guy. Plus, Giuliani has some baggage. He promoted his NYPD driver Bernard Kerik to be police commissioner (and touted him for the Homeland Security post), and Kerick subsequently pleaded guilty to a number of corruption charges. He appointed Russell Harding, son of a long-time political supporter, to head the New York Housing Development Corporation, though Harding was completely unqualified and eventually went to jail for five years. Rudy’s divorce probably doesn’t matter so much, but his long-standing affair with Judith Nathan, which he lied about and tried to conceal, won’t do him any good with the evangelical wing of the Republican party. Plus, he will be 72 next year.

    At this point, I’m not sure who the best choice would be, but Trump can do better than Rudy.

    Black Death

    December 6, 2015 at 3:12 pm

    • “Trump can do better than Rudy.”

      He can’t. The imaginary super-candidate just isn’t out there. Too many establishment Republicans have burned bridges with him.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 6, 2015 at 3:17 pm

      • Criticism doesn’t necessarily burn bridges in politics. George H.W. Bush called Reagan’s policies “voodoo economics” before he was picked as VP, didn’t he?

        Dave Pinsen

        December 6, 2015 at 5:27 pm

  15. Giuliani should make a bold statement like this: I’ve cleaned up crime in NYC and now I can stop the terrorist threat in Meriprolestan.


    December 6, 2015 at 3:34 pm

  16. Giuliani is the face of 90s law enforcement. Useful in the age of Ferguson, Baltimore and BLM.

    If Trump registers as a Floridian wouldn’t the Rubio/Bush boys (or the FEC) just say he’s lying and block that move?


    December 6, 2015 at 7:23 pm

  17. Scott Walker? He’s been raked over the coals by the MSM so you know what you’re getting, he doesn’t misspeak like Carson/Palin, and the Establishment likes him. Plus he’s the only other person in the race that talked about limiting legal immigration, so the base would be reassured.


    December 6, 2015 at 7:28 pm

  18. Article II of the Constitution imposes a restriction on electors: they cannot vote for two people from their own state. President and Vice-President are elected separately. “The electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves.” So if Bush and Cheney were Texans, a Texan elector could vote for Bush but not for Cheney (or vice-versa). If the candidates are from a state with a lot of electoral votes this could make a difference.


    December 6, 2015 at 7:52 pm

    • New York is a solid blue state that’s not going to vote Republican anyway, even with Giuliani on the ticket.

      Trump may be from NY but he was never elected by any voters in NY.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 6, 2015 at 7:58 pm

  19. “not someone with the gravitas to be president.”

    Come on, dude. Biden had gravitas? Edwards? Ferraro? YGFSM. How the “gravitas” problem only affects Republicans?

    I know I’d for damn sure rather have Ryan or Quayle in the command chair than any of them.

    “Most of the best picks for vice president, by both Democrats and Republicans, have been men who previously ran for the party’s nomination but lost.”

    Biden fits that description, and he is a pathetic joke. A total buffoon!

    Bentsen was a perfectly good VP candidate and he never ran for P before 1988.

    “The worst thing is when a presidential nominee picks someone with no national campaign experience, and they turn out to be complete duds.”

    The problem in 2008 and 2012 was not that the VP was a dud. The problem was that the Presidential candidate was a dud.

    ” Personality wise, Cruz just isn’t very good at taking orders from superiors, which is what a vice president has to do.”

    Not really. As you said, the VP doesn’t actually do anything. He is not in the chain of command. He takes no orders and gives no orders.

    “No one really dislikes Giuliani, which is a key quality in a vice president.”

    As opposed to all the people who looooooved Cheney, LBJ, and Nixon?

    You will note that those three examples played a key VP role, which is “partisan attack dog” (thus allowing the President to stay “statesmanlike” and above the fray). This is not a role that makes people like you.


    December 6, 2015 at 9:32 pm

  20. Rudy Giuliani is 71. But maybe he has a grandson who presents himself well.

    Mark Caplan

    December 6, 2015 at 10:39 pm

  21. Maybe Dole/Jesus would have had no chance in 1996, but if Dole had gotten Colin Powell, then the most beloved man in the country, as his running mate, he might’ve had a shot. No doubt Dole was aware of this but Powell wasn’t up for it.

    Greg Pandatshang

    December 6, 2015 at 10:52 pm

  22. If we want somebody that public would trust to step up in a crisis, I wonder who’s out there that’s ex-military who has been vetted as a candidate. Maybe Wesley Clark? But then you’re confusing people by having a Democrat on the ticket.

    Trump/Buchanan would be cool if Buchanan’s health seems to be holding up. He’s not ex-military but he’s a foreign policy guy and he’s been through the wringer of a national campaign before. Definitely getting up there in years, though. Might lose some votes just on the age factor. On the other hand, Giuiliani’s over 70 and he’s had cancer.

    Greg Pandatshang

    December 6, 2015 at 10:55 pm

  23. I think Giuliani would have a real problem appealing to Catholic blue collar types.

    My memory from reading Catholic bloggers in 2004 is that the pro-union, pro-life types really loathed Kerry. They’d had no problem voting for Clinton or Gore (I guess being mere Protestants they couldn’t be expected to know better than to be pro-choice), but in Kerry they saw it as a disqualifying character flaw.

    Some of the same people liked Giuliani in 2007, when they assumed the pro-choice thing was just something you have to say to get elected in new York. But then when they heard about the three wives and the overall social liberalism, they turned against him too.


    December 7, 2015 at 12:44 am

  24. Lion, you look at some politicians’ families (Obama, Palin) but not others. Giuliani’s father robbed a milkman with a gun in 1934. The court psychiatrist wrote: ” …he is a personality deviate of the aggressive, egocentric type. This aggressivity is pathological in nature….” In other words, a psychopath. He was sent to Sing Sing. Rudy says he taught him American values. The six marriages of Rudy and his present wife have already been mentioned. Just like to add that when the press asked her how many times she was married, she forgot one marriage. And then there’s Kerik. Even Obama’s commie mother looks better than these two.


    December 7, 2015 at 3:52 am

    • We are not responsible for our parents, only for our children.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 7, 2015 at 7:29 am

      • Not responsible, yes. But HBD says not independent from either.


        December 7, 2015 at 8:49 am

  25. Trump is 69, he needs to pick a young, serious, high IQ guy who is like him and can carry his message to the next generation.

    No old guys, no establishment hacks, no conservative low IQ hacks.

    Where would we be without Trump???

    It’s scary to think about it!

    Hillary, Bush, Rubio………..horrific.

    Romney is promoted partly because he is 6’2″, full head of dark hair and reasonably attractive. But he is an establishment beta-robot.

    Guliani is too old and ugly. Maybe he could be Attorney General.

    Put law school nerd Cruz on the Supreme Court.

    I don’t know who is out there for Trump to pick. Somebody from the non traditional ranks.

    Sessions is needed in the Senate, don’t take him away.


    December 7, 2015 at 4:17 am

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