Lion of the Blogosphere

A comment about Trump

A commenter pointed me to this comment that was written at some other blog:

There’s a feedback loop between what’s said on TV and the public conversation.

The Nice White People in my family weren’t silently angry about immigration — still aren’t, really. “Mildly concerned” would be the strongest term I could apply to them. Since they stick mainly to safe mainstream media sources, they don’t know the reality of immigration. And you couldn’t tell them about it because the mainstream had declared it off-limits, and because Ellis Island and great-great-grandpa and -grandma O’Doole starving in the hold of a America-bound potato boat. So a year ago, if I’d gone to Christmas dinner and suggested we kick out all Muslims, they would have reacted as if I’d announced a penchant for chubby 15-year-olds.

This year it will be different — not because their anger has been unleashed, or because they’re significantly more anti-immigrant than they were. They probably won’t be. But it will be an acceptable topic now, because important people on TV are talking about it; and even if they disagree with me, they won’t refuse to discuss it and listen.

Trump did that. It could have been someone else, but it had to be someone like him in some ways, and he did it.

I agree with this analysis. The media understands very well that if people knew the truth about certain topics, such as the truth that immigration doesn’t provide any practical benefits to the vast majority of American citizens and in fact is quite detrimental, then people would have the “wrong” views and vote for the “wrong” politicians. And that’s why the media has been engaged in an Orwellian conspiracy to suppress the truth, through selective reporting as well as by making some topics forbidden to be talked about at all, using their power to shame and worse for people who dare to break the taboo.

Trump has, indeed, made it possible to discuss things that the MSM does not want to be discussed. He has also opened the eyes of many of his supporters that the media is lying to them.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

December 9, 2015 at 1:43 pm

Posted in Politics

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  1. Diversity at all costs has been the Holy Grail for 50 years. Trillions of dollars has been spent on it. Political parties have parsed diversity events for advantage every election for decades. It has a life of its own and will not die easily.

    cesqy

    December 9, 2015 at 2:15 pm

  2. I wonder why there was no talk to ban Muslims or even scrutinize Muslims immigrants more after 9/11? After all, 9/11 was far worse in every way than what happened in San Bernardino. George Bush continued to allow Saudi hotheads to come into America and train at American flight schools like nothing had ever happened. The difference has to do with Trump. If Bush had stated that we needed greater scrutiny of Muslims immigrants after 9/11 he probably could have gotten it. But immigration was never on the neo-con agenda, just invading other countries. So that’s what we got.

    One neo-con platitude that always annoyed me was, “we are fighting them over there so we don’t have to fight them here.” But then I would think, “how are they going to get over here. They can’t launch a Pearl Harbor like attack against us. There are only two ways they can come here, legal immigration or illegal immigration.” If someone doesn’t care about those issues, then they really don’t care about national security. In all the years after 9/11, I’ve never heard a single public commentator make that simple point.

    The other neo-con talking point that was obviously false was that, “we can’t allow them to get a territory of their own where they can train to hit us again.” Well, where did the 9/11 hijackers train? They trained at Huffman Aviation in Venice, Florida. Guess who was Governor at the time?

    Jeb Bush allowed a safe haven in America for terrorists to train.

    I wish Trump would hit Bush on that issue as well.

    tanabear

    December 9, 2015 at 2:20 pm

    • I think it was all Bush. If Bush had not wanted Muslims here, things would have been different. (Of course liberals would have denounced it, but they always denounced Bush anyway.) But once Bush adopted the policy, all Republicans followed their leader.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 9, 2015 at 2:29 pm

      • Yes, but Bush didn’t even want to end some very simple things, like the ‘Visa Express’ program we had with Saudi Arabia at the time. Why not?

        Supposedly, 15 of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. This Visa Express program allowed anyone in Saudi Arabia to apply for U.S. visas through their travel agents instead of having to show up at a consulate in person. I believe 3 of the hijackers obtained their visas through this program, along with the supposed 9/11 mastermind, Khalid sheikh Mohammed, though he didn’t use it to come to America. The point being there was no impetus from the White House to end it. The State Department just changed the name of the program in July of 2002. After much criticism(Lou Dobbs?) I believe they ended it in August of 2002, almost a year after the 9/11 attacks.

        In short, Bush. like other Republicans, was completely brainwashed by neo-con ideology.

        p.s. Saudi Visas Almost Never Rejected – Only three percent of Saudi visa applicants are turned down by US consular officers in fiscal 2000 and 2001. In contrast, about 25 percent of US visa seekers worldwide are rejected. Acceptance is even more difficult for applicants from countries alleged to have ties to terrorism such as Iraq or Iran.

        tanabear

        December 9, 2015 at 3:00 pm

      • Instead, Michael Moore and to intimate the Bush was coddling the Saudi royal family.
        I’m confident that the left would be happy to make life uncomfortable for any Muslims coming into the country, if they thought it would make Republicans/conservatives unhappy.

        Half canadian

        December 9, 2015 at 3:56 pm

      • Actually the National Security Entry-Exit Registration System was set up in 2002 to that scrutinized visas from “problem” countries and resulted in thousands of deportations. I wrote about it here: https://mikestreetstation.wordpress.com/2015/12/08/trumps-muslim-ban-had-a-beta-test/

        Mike Street Station

        December 9, 2015 at 4:11 pm

  3. There is a fallacy in this war strategy, “But then I would think, “how are they going to get over here. They can’t launch a Pearl Harbor like attack against us.”
    Pakistan (and soon Iran) might have or might make suitcase nukes or biological weapons along with AK-47s and pipe bombs. The only difference is the scale of jihadist attack. Afghanistan and Iraq et al.

    cesqy

    December 9, 2015 at 3:11 pm

  4. And that’s why the media has been engaged in an Orwellian conspiracy to suppress the truth, through selective reporting as well as by making some topics forbidden to be talked about at all, using their power to shame and worse for people who dare to break the taboo.

    Same thing with regard to black crime rates and black on White crime.

    E. Rekshun

    December 9, 2015 at 5:09 pm

  5. “A commenter pointed me to this comment that was written at some other blog”

    great comment, who was the commenter and what blog?

    rivelino

    December 9, 2015 at 7:23 pm

    • Cail Corishev at Vox Popoli (voxday.blogspot.com), “Mailvox: change is inevitable” thread.

      Richard

      December 9, 2015 at 9:41 pm

      • thanks, richard.

        lion, maybe you should read the cuckservative book and do a book review?

        don’t get me wrong, i love the music video reviews too.

        rivelino

        December 10, 2015 at 3:27 am

  6. And you couldn’t tell them about it because the mainstream had declared it off-limits, and because Ellis Island and great-great-grandpa and -grandma O’Doole starving in the hold of a America-bound potato boat.

    LOL. Nice but …no.

    As Sailer has pointed out it’s more likely the Jewish anxiety driven obsession with Ellis Island, Jewish exclusion from the “countryclubglofcourseprivateclubneighborhood” etc etc that is at work here.

    The Irish Americans are more likely to be straight up Archie Bunker types who like Trump.

    Rifleman

    December 9, 2015 at 9:01 pm

  7. Trump has temporarily shifted the Overton window but the question remains whether or not this will change views in the longer term. It is just as likely that Trump’s positions on illegal immigration and Muslim immigration will backfire and the result will be that even moderate attempts in this direction will be considered impossible. I predict Trump will lose (most likely the nomination but the election otherwise) and that his failure will push open borders rhetoric further into the mainstream.
    At least when Trump loses it will no longer be possible to claim that the Republican Party would be more successful with a righter wing candidate.

    Magician

    December 9, 2015 at 9:03 pm

    • Open borders already is the mainstream.

      Trump has the entire establishment against him and still may win the nomination. When you combine his support with that of Ted Cruz, there is almost an absolute majority amongst likely republican primary voters for explicitly anti immigrant candidates.

      Meanwhile the establishment candidates can’t break 30% combined in all the national polls. Open borders is simply a losing proposition int he Republican primaries and that will not change.

      Otis the Sweaty

      December 10, 2015 at 6:10 am

  8. Referring to Vox Popoli as “some other blog” was a joke, right?

    ScarletNumber

    December 10, 2015 at 12:46 am


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