Lion of the Blogosphere

The big Islam problem

I found this explanation by Ali Sina (an apostate Shi’ite Muslim) very interesting:

Just like other Muslims, I used to believe that to learn about anything one has to go to the source. Now you may think that the source of Islam is the Qur’an and the hadith. That might be so in theory. But in practice few Muslims read these books to understand them. Muslims get their information about Islam by reading the books written by scholars of Islam. These are apologetic books that deceitfully try to portray Islam in the best light, showing that Muhammad was a holy man and the Qur’an is a “scientific book.” Therefore, I felt no need to look elsewhere in order to find the truth, as I was convinced that I had already found it.

This is important for understanding the mystery of why the Koran inspires ISIS to behave the way they do, but most Muslims think (or at least claim to think) that ISIS doesn’t represent their religion.

I’d even go further than Ali Sina and presume that most Muslims don’t read much about their religion at all. I am reminded of my mother’s approach to Judaism (a religion a lot more similar to Islam than most people realize, but fortunately without the crazy jihad stuff and beheadings). She still keeps a sort-of kosher house, refusing to mix meat and dairy and refusing to buy any meat that wasn’t sold at a kosher butcher. Yet she has never read any Jewish books at all. She couldn’t tell you where in the Torah or the Tanakh or the Talmud any of these laws come from. She’s just following a bunch of instructions (very rigid and harsh instructions that take all the fun out of life) passed down from her parents and occasionally reinforced by an Orthodox rabbi. People are very eager to unquestioningly believe what they are taught as children.

I was forced to attend an orthodox Hebrew school before I was 13 (because my parents were too cheap to send me to a more expensive Reform Hebrew school), and all we did was memorize prayers, taught how to pronounce Hebrew and learn some very basic Hebrew language skills, and we were taught what laws we were supposed to follow and that it was sinful not to follow them. But never once did we ever read the Torah or the Tanakh or the Talmud (except for my individualized Bar Mitzvah lesson in which I was made to memorize a short passage from the Torah, in Hebrew, and was never even given an English translation of what I was memorizing).

As far as why the Islam practiced by most Muslims is less violent than the Islam taught in the Koran and the hadith is one of practicality. Most religions come to serve the ends of the elites and help to maintain the current social order. That’s why Karl Marx called religion the opiate of the masses. It wouldn’t benefit the elites in Muslim society (which would have been the elites of the Ottoman Empire) to have the lesser people running around committing jihad and enforcing the harsh penalties of the Koran whenever they saw fit. Elites want an orderly society. Thus the religion was changed for practical reasons.

But at the same time, all Muslims are taught that the Koran is the literal word of Allah (there is absolutely nothing in Islam like Reform Judaism which believes that the Torah is only the inspired word of God), and that Mohammed was the most perfect follower of Islam and that all Muslims should live their lives according to example set by Mohammed. Despite this, most Muslims lack the curiosity or the intellectual capacity to read the Koran and hadith for themselves. Similarly, most Christians in the United States don’t know that much about what’s in the Bible, especially not Catholics for whom direct reading of the Bible is not even encouraged.

I believe that Islam is currently undergoing something like a Protestant Reformation. As you know from history, Martin Luther rejected the idea that the corrupt Catholic Church should tell people how they should practice Christianity. He said people should read the Bible and practice Christianity based directly on the source. ISIS has a similar viewpoint as Martin Luther.

Now that this Pandora’s Box has been opened, there is no closing it. The Catholic Church was not able to shut down Protestantism, and there is even less of an organized Islamic power structure that can shut down direct interpretation of the Koran.

This means that Islam is very very dangerous. You have more than a billion people worldwide, and millions in the United States, who believe that the Koran is the literal word of Allah and that they should live their lives according to example set by Mohammed. More and more will discover the true meaning of the Koran and the hadith and become “radicalized” (to use the current euphemism). There is no way to stop this from happening and be politically correct about it. We must face up to the fact that ISIS is practicing an Islam that is truer to the meaning of the Koran and the hadith than most Muslims.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

December 10, 2015 at 10:15 am

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  1. Lion, I have to give you credit for being one of the first people I’ve seen to get the “Islamic Reformation” idea correct. Virtually everyone who says Muslims must have a “reformation” of their religion use it in the context of the reformation making Islam less radical. But it’s exactly the opposite as you say. The Protestant Reformation was about, broadly speaking, going back to the source texts so the corollary in Islam would make the religion more violent, not less. It is a big problem.

    Andrew E.

    December 10, 2015 at 10:28 am

    • Mark Steyn was on that years ago. Less than a year after 9/11.

      Half Canadian

      December 10, 2015 at 4:03 pm

  2. Scripturalism in Judaism is actually associated with more moderate practices. For example, the Karaites do mix meat and dairy, because they consider the law against that to be absurd Rabbinic interpretation. And although it’s not very religious at all nowadays, secular Zionism originally made a point of bypassing the Talmud and going straight to the Torah.

    But of course, all Jewish groups ignore the parts about killing all homosexuals, etc.

    IHTG

    December 10, 2015 at 10:46 am

    • “But of course, all Jewish groups ignore the parts about killing all homosexuals, etc.”

      The explanation for this is that only a Jewish court could impose such a penalty, and no such Jewish court exists today. And even back when the court existed, it only imposed the death penalty once every 70 years.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 10, 2015 at 10:56 am

    • This is why Maimonides said to kill those who deny the oral tradition. We ignored his advice and the Jewish people have been saddled with a bunch of flakey, liberal Jews for over 200 years.

      Otis the Sweaty

      December 10, 2015 at 12:01 pm

      • Where is the source for saying that Maimonides said nonbelievers should be killed??????

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 10, 2015 at 12:34 pm

      • He didn’t say non believers, he said heretics should be killed. One of the things he listed as heresy was denying the oral tradition.

        Otis the Sweaty

        December 10, 2015 at 12:37 pm

      • You have a source for this? Link to his book with the page number this is located?

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 10, 2015 at 1:03 pm

      • Otis the Sweaty

        December 10, 2015 at 1:09 pm

      • Not a valid reference, sorry. It’s out of character for Maimonides to endorse the death penalty for having a different point of view about Judaism. You need more than an out-of-context footnote. And also remember there are two sides of Maimonides: 1. the author of the Mishneh Torah, and 2. the author of Guide for the Perplexed where he implies that you should disregard the stuff in the former book.

        Jews have never killed anyone for heresy, just as they have never stoned anyone for homosexuality.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 10, 2015 at 1:20 pm

      • point is, the info is out there if you want to find it. Do some googling on “‘kill heretics’ maimonides” and there is plenty of results.

        In any case, I’m not a big Maimonides fan and in practice most Orthodox Jews have chosen to ignore a lot of the stuff he says like “encourage converts”, “there is no resurrection of the dead”, “the afterlife is purely spiritual and there is no food or sex”, “judaism is more about belief than biology”.

        Maimonides himself was a bit of a flakey, liberal Jew; just not as much of one as modern Jews try to make him out to be.

        Otis the Sweaty

        December 10, 2015 at 1:29 pm

      • But it’s out of context. And he allegedly wrote it in the Mishneh Torah which was supposed to be an encyclopedia of the Talmud and not necessarily what he personally thought, which is in the Guide for the Perplexed.

        Jews have never killed anyone for heresy.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 10, 2015 at 1:31 pm

      • Lol wut? The entire holiday of Hannuka is celebrating Jews killing heretical Jews. The Zealots in ancient times were busy killing off heretics in Jerusalem while the Romans were literally at the gates. Hell, a few months ago and orthodox Jews just stabbed 7 people at a Gay Pride parade in Jerusalem.

        Jews need to get back to our roots of killing other Jews who have dangerous, liberal ideas.

        Otis the Sweaty

        December 10, 2015 at 1:48 pm

      • “The entire holiday of Hannuka is celebrating Jews killing heretical Jews.”

        True, yet if even 1% of Jews even know that, I’d be surprised. I never learned the true meaning of Hanukkah until after David Brooks wrote an op-ed a few years ago that Hanukkah was a celebration of the bad guys.

        There’s a reason why the Book of Maccabees was never put into the Tanakh (the Jewish Bible). It’s not something that the leaders of the religion wanted anyone to read. Furthermore, the book is probably more fiction than fact (although the most obviously fictional part of Hanukkah, the miracle of the lights, is not even in the book.)

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 10, 2015 at 2:16 pm

      • I guarantee you religious Jews know what Hannuka was really about. It is very common in Israel for right wing religious people to site Hannuka as evidence that killing liberal Jews is sometimes permissable.

        Otis the Sweaty

        December 10, 2015 at 2:26 pm

      • Rabbis would know, but don’t be so sure that the average Orthodox Jew has paid much attention. I received an Orthodox Jewish education and they didn’t tell us anything about Maccabees.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 10, 2015 at 2:40 pm

      • You never went to a real Yeshiva where they just study the Torah and Talmud all day. Plus I promise you those settlers on the hilltops in Hebron and Samaria know all about Hanukah.

        Otis the Sweaty

        December 10, 2015 at 2:44 pm

      • Jews need to get back to our roots of killing other Jews who have dangerous, liberal ideas.

        Yigal Amir has shown you the way!

        Tarl

        December 10, 2015 at 5:18 pm

      • Lion, do you suppose that Maimonides would disagree with the Biblical law?

        https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+13%3A1-18&version=ESV

        Yakov

        December 10, 2015 at 9:24 pm

      • @Tarl

        That was a political assasination.

        Yakov

        December 10, 2015 at 10:35 pm

  3. How come the areas under control of the Eastern Catholic Church (the Eastern Orthodox sects) never had a reformation?

    Now, back to Trump. He’s at 35 percent in the latest national poll. It goes Trump: 35, Cruz: 16, Carson: 13, and Rubio: 9.

    Rubio being at 9 sounds way too low, unless we are to believe that Trump’s “ban Muslims” proposal peeled off Rubio’s soft support. The fact that Carson is still at 13 is very frustrating. He’s likely still holding on to 4 points that rightfully belong to Trump.

    Otis the Sweaty

    December 10, 2015 at 10:55 am

    • “He’s likely still holding on to 4 points that rightfully belong to Trump.”

      On the other hand, if Carson is holding down evangelical voters who otherwise would vote for Cruz, then he’s doing Trump a favor.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 10, 2015 at 10:58 am

      • In Iowa, sure. But in the rest of the country any delegates that Carson gets will ultimately go to the establishment in a brokered convention. Since it is impossible for Trump to win an outright majority of delegates we need Trump and Cruz to have enough combined delegates to block the establishment. We won’t get there unless we can knock Carson into the single digits.

        Otis the Sweaty

        December 10, 2015 at 11:45 am

      • Nonsense, of course he can win a majority. Most primaries are winner-take-all, so if he wins 40% of the vote and the rest splits between Cruz, Rubio, and Carson, Trump wins 100% of the delegates for that state.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 10, 2015 at 12:02 pm

      • Most primaries are not winner take all the the establishment has plenty of time to change the rules in the places that aren’t between now and the convention.

        Otis the Sweaty

        December 10, 2015 at 12:24 pm

      • You can try to count them: http://time.com/4059030/republican-primary-calendar-2016-nomination-convention/

        There are a lot of winner-take-all primaries. This was endorsed by the Republican establishment so that someone could win early and then move on to campaigning against the Democrats.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 10, 2015 at 12:38 pm

      • State GOPs change this stuff all the time. They did a crazy closed caucus here trying to defeat Ron Paul, and boy were people pissed.

        Mrs Stitch

        December 10, 2015 at 7:10 pm

    • “How come the areas under control of the Eastern Catholic Church (the Eastern Orthodox sects) never had a reformation?”

      Perhaps the people had fewer grievances against those churches? The Catholic Church was corrupt back then.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 10, 2015 at 11:14 am

    • I’m not sure why the Eastern Orthodox church never had a Reformation. There could have been something about Catholicism , corrupt as it was, that caused a society to advance to the point where a Reformation happened. Even today the countries that traditionally were Eastern Orthodox are mostly not doing very well. Most of them fell to communism and they are currently corrupt and dysfunctional.

      Rosenmops

      December 10, 2015 at 11:33 am

    • “How come the areas under control of the Eastern Catholic Church (the Eastern Orthodox sects) never had a reformation?”

      Well, they were a lot more localized. People will put up with a lot more if the bad/worse guys are of the same group.

      Jesse

      December 10, 2015 at 11:55 am

      • Protestantism took off and took root in nordic/saxon northern European areas. These are also, not coincidentally, the most individualistic and socially liberal areas of Europe. I believe biology likely explains the lack of a reform movement in Eastern orthodox areas. There is just something different in the DNA of Nordic/saxon Europeans that predisposes them to individualism and “freethinking” movements.

        maj

        December 10, 2015 at 2:05 pm

      • Also, let’s be honest here. It’s Germans versus Albanians, Armenians, Ethiopians, Eritreans, Macedonians etc. One side is going to be a lot more offended by corruption than the other.

        Jesse

        December 10, 2015 at 2:26 pm

      • “There is just something different in the DNA of Nordic/saxon Europeans that predisposes them to individualism and “freethinking” movements.”

        The fact that they tend to be smarter and more disciplined helps. They can loosen the social strictures far more because they understand that it won’t lead to chaos. That’s not a luxury most Muslims have.

        Jesse

        December 10, 2015 at 2:30 pm

    • Your link actually proves me right but at the same time shows there isn’t as much to worry about as most of the non winner take all states have a threshhold which will prevent Carson from getting as many delegates as the polls would imply he should. Carson will get no delegates whatsoever from two of the first four states (NH and SC) which is good.

      From the list, if the big states decide to remain winner take all then Trump has this locked down. But they will certainly change to proportional to help stop Trump. I also wouldn’t be surprised to see some states lower their threshholds so Carson can pick up more delegates to give to the establishment.

      Otis the Sweaty

      December 10, 2015 at 12:48 pm

    • “How come the areas under control of the Eastern Catholic Church (the Eastern Orthodox sects) never had a reformation?”

      My guess? The Orthodox leaders were separated by national boundaries, and were content to extend their influence only within those boundaries (though the Patriarch of Constantinople may have been an exception), whereas the Bishop of Rome wanted to have influence over all Christian nations. When German princes objected, rather than continue to fear Excommunication, they went with their own religion.
      Whereas, if the Patriarch of Russia wanted influence over Bulgaria, or wherever, he just got the Tsar to invade.
      Or something like that.

      Half Canadian

      December 10, 2015 at 4:10 pm

    • “How come the areas under control of the Eastern Catholic Church (the Eastern Orthodox sects) never had a reformation?”

      As well as the factors given by others above, perhaps–

      -the ongoing loss of territory to Islam focused minds in the East on survival and mitigated against division in a way that was not the case (outside of the Iberian peninsula) in the West.

      -the emergence of Protestantism was part of wider socio-economic changes in Northern Europe which were not happening in the East, which had been in a long decline economically by the time of the Reformation. Protestantism appeared as feudalism was giving way to early-modern nations with an emerging literate, economically more powerful and politically more ambitious middle class whom were Protestantism’s core constituency. This was lacking in the East.

      -Protestantism came in the wake of the new questioning mindset of the Enlghtenment, which had not reached the East. I suppose an Orthodox rejoinder could be that the Enlightenment was based on the West applying newly-discovered principles of Greek philosophy, which the East had never lost and therefore never needed to learn from.

      prolier than thou

      December 10, 2015 at 6:26 pm

  4. I believe that Islam is currently undergoing something like a Protestant Reformation. As you know from history, Martin Luther rejected the idea that the corrupt Catholic Church should tell people how they should practice Christianity. He said people should read the Bible and practice Christianity based directly on the source. ISIS has a similar viewpoint as Martin Luther.

    This analogy only goes so far. The main problem with the Catholic Church was corruption. So the Reformation was firstly against corruption. It is probably no coincidence that the least corrupt countries in the world tend to be the historically Protestant countries of Europe and places where people from those countries settled.

    http://www.transparency.org/cpi2014/results

    I think disgust with corruption is also something that draws people to radical Islam. Unfortunately the new leaders they are attracted to are just as corrupt as the old because they exist in a low-trust tribal society where you look out for yourself and your family and to hell with everyone else. Europe succeeded in largely eliminating tribes centuries ago (long before the Reformation) because some pope forbade cousin marriages. This broke up tribes and set the stage for city states. When the Reformation came along they taught everyone to read so they could read the Bible and also taught that corruption , cheating and any form of deceit are sins and it is shameful to sin. (As a teacher I have notice that my students from China and Saudia Arabia do not feel shame about cheating. They are annoyed to get caught, but feel no shame whatsoever and you can’t make them feel ashamed.)

    The Quran and Hadiths don’t have a problem with lying and deceit as long as it is to advance Islam (takiya). Furthermore Mohammed was a warlord who personally slaughtered many people and took their wives as slaves. He married a nine year old girl. In contrast Jesus was a peaceful man who never married.

    The “reform” Muslims do want students to read the qaran, at least the males. I’ve heard of schools where they force them to read it in Arabic and hit them when they make errors. Often the students don’t understand what they are reading. In the Protestant Reformation the Bible was translated into the vernacular of each country and boys and girls were both taught to read so they could read the Bible. Fortunately they were bright enough and/or free enough to read and write many other books too.

    But the thing is there is a lot of really good advice in the Bible. And although it describes wars snd fighting that happened in the past it doesn’t instruct people to go out and make war. Just the opposited. Of course there are some bad ideas in the Bible too but evidence suggests that the societies that developed in Christian Counties (and in Israel) have done much better than the societies that developed in Muslim countries. This is the type evidence-bases thinking that gets you labeled as a racist, hateful Islamophobe. We are told that the only reason Islamic countris are corrupt dysfunctional shit holes is because of Western inerference . But the fact is they are that way because of their shitty Islamic culture and possibly because the people aren’t particularly bright on average.

    Rosenmops

    December 10, 2015 at 11:27 am

    • Spain under the Hapsburgs viewed Islam, Judaism and most of all, Protestantism, as the enemies of the Catholic faith. Its Roman and Germanic legacy infused with its Medieval Semitic traditions (coming from the Muslim and Jew) made the Spaniards a unique breed of tribal Europeans who disliked and disdained even their fellow Catholics of Italy.

      JS

      December 10, 2015 at 11:57 am

      • Spain is still very corrupt. Islam turns everything it touches to shit. Look at Greece, also once occupied by Muslims.

        Rosenmop

        December 10, 2015 at 2:04 pm

      • And yet, Protestant nations like the UK, and the rest of Anglo-Prole-Sphere, are infested with all kinds of 3rd world multi-cult filth!!!

        Where’s the Protestant Logic in all of this???

        JS

        December 10, 2015 at 2:26 pm

      • And yet, Protestant nations like the UK, and the rest of Anglo-Prole-Sphere, are infested with all kinds of 3rd world multi-cult filth!!!

        Where’s the Protestant Logic in all of this???

        The Protestants went off the deep end after WWII. They (or at least their leaders) over-reacted to Hitler and became pathologically altruistic.

        Rosenmop

        December 10, 2015 at 2:52 pm

    • And Rosenmops, and when were Jews or was Judaism ever perceived to be a righteous people/religion?

      JS

      December 10, 2015 at 12:03 pm

  5. especially not Catholics for whom direct reading of the Bible is not even encouraged.

    True. Catholic family members and acquaintances don’t know much, if anything, about the bible. Through eight years of C.C.D. never once did we open the bible. Instead, we mostly learned about Catholic sacraments, practices, and traditions. We did a lot of aloud, in-class reading of different religious-themed stories; so I’m sure that, at least, was beneficial toward improving our reading comprehension.

    As a non-practicing Catholic, I’ve become disappointed in the leftism of Catholic leaders and believe that the Catholic Church and individual local Catholic Churches should spend more of their hoard toward alleviating poverty and suffering.

    E. Rekshun

    December 10, 2015 at 11:34 am

    • My Jesuit pastors harp on immigration and Trump (not by name) every week now. They’re all twitterpated thinking they’ll get all these new Hispanic parishioners, and not all that worried about Islam.

      Not sure how much more I can take. As it is I cross my eyes during the homily and make faces only they can see.

      Mrs Stitch

      December 10, 2015 at 7:19 pm

  6. There was and will never be a reformation movement in Islam. Political Islam was always about Jihad. Its current modus operandi which began in the late Ottoman Empire, was a defensive/offensive onslaught of Western “infidels” who try to disturb the hornet’s nest. Unfortunately, I do not see Islam confronting the East Asian and Latin American societies with vigor, as it does with the West.This can only mean one thing, it’s present mode of terrorism and propensity for violence is specifically directed at the orbit and residue of Western imperialism.

    JS

    December 10, 2015 at 11:40 am

    • On the other hand, East Asian societies are not opening their arms and inviting in Muslims by the boatload. China has built entirely empty cities, but how many Syrian refugees have they taken?

      They’re smarter than that.

      Mike Street Station

      December 10, 2015 at 1:33 pm

      • Then why aren’t they pursuing Jihad in Latin America, where Roman Catholicism is the dominant religion?

        JS

        December 10, 2015 at 1:41 pm

      • There’s just not that many Muslims in East Asia or Latin America. Where there’s more Muslims, you have more Muslim

        You see the most Islamic Terrorism in places like Syria and Iraq, where the overwhelming majority of people are Muslim and most terrorism is actually directed at other Muslims.

        East Asians and Latin American countries deserve a tremendous amount of credit for not foolishly inviting Muslim immigrants to live in their countries. Same goes for the countries in sub-Saharan Africa with few Muslims. Even places like China and Philippines with small Muslim minorities have a nasty problems with Islamic terrorism.

        McFly

        December 10, 2015 at 2:25 pm

      • There’s just not that many Muslims in East Asia or Latin America. Where there’s more Muslims, you have more Muslim terrorism.

        You see the most Islamic Terrorism in places like Syria and Iraq, where the overwhelming majority of people are Muslim and most terrorism is actually directed at other Muslims.

        East Asians and Latin American countries deserve a tremendous amount of credit for not foolishly inviting Muslim immigrants to live in their countries. Same goes for the countries in sub-Saharan Africa with few Muslims. Even places like China and Philippines with small Muslim minorities have a nasty problems with Islamic terrorism.

        McFly

        December 10, 2015 at 2:25 pm

      • Singapore is 15% Muslim with a Chinese majority.

        Quite reasonably, many Singaporean Muslims denounced the late Lee Quan Yew as a minion for Western Supremacy. The kind of comments I make here about East Asians being petty materialists and enablers of the Western status quo.

        JS

        December 11, 2015 at 11:38 am

      • Asian Muslims are less fundamentalist and strict than Middle Eastern Muslims. And Singapore enforces orderliness on society in a way that we don’t do in the United States.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 11, 2015 at 12:21 pm

      • The San Bernardino shooter, Syaad Farook was an Asian Muslim!!!

        Most of the Muslims in Singapore are Malays, who are related to the people of Indonesia and the Philippines.

        JS

        December 11, 2015 at 12:27 pm

      • You know what I meant. Pakistan definitely is a breeding ground for the worst kind of Islam.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 11, 2015 at 12:34 pm

      • Indonesian Muslims have been notorious terrorists and some of them have joined ISIS.

        JS

        December 11, 2015 at 12:38 pm

      • The danger of a majority Muslim country.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 11, 2015 at 12:39 pm

      • Indonesian terrorists usually target Western tourists.

        JS

        December 11, 2015 at 12:43 pm

    • There was and will never be a reformation movement in Islam.

      This is one hundred-percent false. Lion’s post is out-of-the-park, virtually correct in every way, and the only key point to add is that Islam already had its “reformation”, two hundred years ago, under ibn Abd Al-Wahhab. The “return-to-the-book” style of Islam he preached is known as “Wahhabism” and is exactly the form that is funded around the world today by Saudi Arabia.

      Samson

      December 11, 2015 at 10:51 am

      • Wahhabism, and later the Muslim Brotherhood, are definitely precursors to ISIS.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 11, 2015 at 11:05 am

      • Qu’ranic literalism was always found in certain circles of Islam, way before the Wahhabi movement. There was Ibn Taymiyyah, from the Medieval period, who called Shias, Sufis, and Sunnis with a philosophical undertone, heretics, and the Holy Book must be taken literally, which formed the basis for the Wahhabi movement, centuries later. Interestingly, this form of extremism happened during the time when the Mongols ransacked the Islamic empire. Ibn Wahhab lived during the time of British Imperialism of the Middle East in its inception.

        JS

        December 11, 2015 at 11:20 am

  7. The average IQ of Muslim countries is about 81 (https://www.questia.com/library/journal/1P3-2018704731/the-comparison-of-mean-iq-in-muslim-and-non-muslim), so I doubt that the average Muslim is even able to understand the Koran, even a little bit. People with an IQ of 81 can’t even understand basic medical information like “take this pill 3 times a day, and take the other pill once every 2 days,” so dense theological texts are well beyond their limits. Plus that average of 81 means that half of the 1.6 billion people in the Muslim world have an IQ lower than 81, which means that they are basically retarded. If you mention in polite conversation that the entire Muslim world is, more or less, mildly retarded, people will think you’re a crazy person. But in response, I sometimes tell them to imagine what a country would look like if its average citizen were mildly retarded, and then to have a look at Youtube videos of how angry mobs of Muslims in those countries typically behave.

    Rodney Fobang

    December 10, 2015 at 11:51 am

    • You could have an IQ of 120 and you wouldn’t understand the Koran. 25% of it is gibberish.

      Daniel

      December 10, 2015 at 4:24 pm

  8. The major part of the Protestant Reformation was following your conscience where it took you. And it was intriguing that, in its later incarnations, they really did follow that to its logical conclusion. You got biographies of radical leaders in the 19th century British Isles saying that their staunchly Methodist/Presbyterian, etc. parents were adamant that they had to follow their conscience, and inculcated the same sense in their children. And when their children followed that and turned to socialism, anarchism and other ideologies, there was generally nothing more than a rueful “well, that didn’t turn out like I expected”.

    Now, maybe that will happen with Islam. But I’m not willing to wait a few centuries while they turn the West into a dung heap.

    Jesse

    December 10, 2015 at 11:51 am

  9. Lion nails it. When just before Thanksgiving Day Obama called the Syrian refugees the New Pilgrims, the fool didn’t realize he was equating them to dangerous fundamentalists who believe every word of their sacred texts is literally true.

    British historian Tom Holland, author of “In the Shadow of the Sword,” gives a talk that compares the Protestant Reformation to the current Islamic reformation. Triggering the Protestant Reformation was the invention of the printing press, which made affordable, vernacular translations of the Bible available to ordinary people. The Islamic reformation has been kicked into high gear by the Internet, which makes stories of Muhammad’s violent jihadist life available to most of the world’s 1.2 billion Muslims.

    Holland’s book title comes from one of Muhammad’s less peace-loving sayings: “The gates of Paradise lie in the shadow of the sword.”

    Tom Holland on Prophet Muhammad

    Mark Caplan

    December 10, 2015 at 11:56 am

    • Why do non-Phd “pseudo” scholars come across as too eager to educate the masses to suit an agenda??? Lack of adequacy or status!

      This hack completely missed the point on the rise of ISIS coming from the US-British Invasion of Iraq, and lays blame on the faults of the Islamic religion.

      JS

      December 10, 2015 at 12:57 pm

      • One should take note that pseudo scholars cannot get their works published by university presses, which is a sign of prestige and credentials. All of the books written by Holland are published by prole presses like Little Brown and Time Warner Books.

        JS

        December 10, 2015 at 1:26 pm

      • One should take note that pseudo scholars cannot get their works published by university presses, which is a sign of prestige and credentials.

        Perhaps because they don’t follow the “correct” party line.

        Rosenmop

        December 10, 2015 at 1:51 pm

      • No, because he doesn’t have a PhD, and probably failed at getting one, for whatever reasons.

        All of his books are in the popular realm. He writes to a dumb downed audience like a Hollywood movie.

        JS

        December 10, 2015 at 2:23 pm

      • What are you blathering about? Not having a PhD does not make you a “pseudo-scholar”. Most academic “history” that professors publish through university presses is utterly worthless drivel — balderdash generated for political, career, and status-signaling purposes. That it is the real pseudo-scholarship in the world today.

        Non-PhDs publish a great deal of real, useful, and (yes) scholarly history, especially in non-PC genres like military history.

        Holland got a double first from Cambridge. To sneer at him as some sort of low-status failure is asinine. If he wants to publish through a commercial house rather than an academic press, it is because he wants to reach more people, not because he sucks.

        Tarl

        December 10, 2015 at 5:40 pm

      • Funny that JS’s “argument” for upholding rigorous scholarly standards relies entirely on the ad hominem fallacy.

        “This hack completely missed the point on the rise of ISIS coming from the US-British Invasion of Iraq….”

        Al Qaeda went on the attack well before the US-British invasion of Iraq. Going back further, there were the invasions of Sicily, of the Iberian peninsula, of Constantinople, of Vienna, …. Muslims have been killing and enslaving Christians even before Syria fell apart, believe it or not.

        Mark Caplan

        December 10, 2015 at 7:23 pm

      • You do know that Holland left out Islam’s connection to Christianity and Judaism in his documentary. That’s a great example of shoddy scholarship. But of course, the guy has an agenda.

        JS

        December 11, 2015 at 12:00 pm

      • Funny that JS’s “argument” for upholding rigorous scholarly standards relies entirely on the ad hominem fallacy.

        I began skipping “JS” comments years ago.

        Samson

        December 11, 2015 at 10:56 am

      • And you just responded to my comment!

        JS

        December 11, 2015 at 11:08 am

      • “No, because he doesn’t have a PhD, and probably failed at getting one, for whatever reasons.”

        JS, I wouldn’t put such faith in PhD’s. They are not as meaningful as people think. George McGovern had a PhD in history. Bill Cosby got a PhD – by writing about his own television show. When the PhD began to become established as the way of distinguishing scholars from pseudo-scholars there were many who objected to this. Read Jacques Barzun on this topic (if you haven’t already.) He has a collection of his writings called “Begin Here.”

        Maryk

        December 11, 2015 at 11:29 am

      • Tim Holland looks like a beleaguered prole just being on the podium with his messed up hair in that youtube video. Spouting irrational hate is not easy.

        JS

        December 11, 2015 at 12:22 pm

      • Why do we get losers on the podium to play the fears and prejudices of the dumb downed masses who are incapable of scholarly research themselves?

        Double first as an undergrad? How about getting a PhD from Cambridge and then start spouting non-sense.

        Tom Holland, Robert Spencer, and Islamophobe Bill Warner (that STEM professor with a PhD from a bottom tier university). One ought to question their motives. I called it a lack of adequacy or status.

        JS

        December 11, 2015 at 11:30 am

      • And why is Muslims killing Christians in Sicily, more poignant than French Normans killing native Sicilians???

        JS

        December 11, 2015 at 12:54 pm

      • Native Sicilians who rebel against the Frenchmen controlling Sicily, were known as the Vespers:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicilian_Vespers

        The French Normans were a lot more brutal than the Muslims towards their Sicilian subjects.

        But of course, dimwit proles like the Staten Island Goodfellas will tell you it’s ok when Catholics kill other Catholics, but it was wrong that Muslims invade Sicily.

        JS

        December 11, 2015 at 1:08 pm

    • Holland is a stellar writer. I have at least three of his books (Shadow of the Sword is one of them, plus one about the Greco-Persian wars and one other).

      Samson

      December 11, 2015 at 10:55 am

      • I did pick out one mistake in the Tom Holland video on Muhammad. Muhammad’s swords all had names. To believing (that is, credulous, which is to say, stupid) Muslims, many of Muhammad’s actual swords are on display in museums in the Middle East. However, none is named “Cleaver of Vertebrae.” Holland is wrong on that point (so to speak). Holland was probably thinking of Zulfiqar or Dhu al-Fiqar (there are many different spellings), which was a cleaved or bifurcated sword with two points, ideal for blinding a foe or popping open a brewski after a long day of beheading unbelievers.

        Mark Caplan

        December 11, 2015 at 12:59 pm

      • This is what happens when you have people who are non-specialists in a discipline, and they cross over and expect to be specialists in that area with an agenda.

        I also question Robert Spencer who only has a Masters Degree in some area of Catholicism and then becomes an Islamophobe, giving talks and speeches that defame Islam.

        The worse would be Bill Warner, a STEM professor, who has no business in giving talks in Islam.

        Why don’t all of us start peddling books about how detrimental proles and especially NAMs are to America?

        JS

        December 11, 2015 at 1:15 pm

  10. Radical Islam as espoused by ISIS and similar groups exists mainly because Saudi Arabia funnells money to them.

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    December 10, 2015 at 12:07 pm

  11. There is no complex analysis needed. Muhammad slaughtered apostates morning, noon and night.

    Dan

    December 10, 2015 at 12:55 pm

  12. Threats of Islamic violence were a constant throughout European history. Europeans forget this because they are modern liberals. Modern liberals are the dumbest organisms ever to have existed.

    Dan

    December 10, 2015 at 12:59 pm

    • what about pro-lifers who want to 10s of millions more blacks and hispanics?

      Otis the Sweaty

      December 10, 2015 at 1:11 pm

  13. This is an excellent post, Lion. It has the ring of truth about it, and now you’ve mentioned it I can’t believe that it had never occured to me before. It has been quite fashionable since 9-11 for intellectuals to talk about the need for a reformation within Islam, but of course comparisons with Christian history in this regard are bogus because the source material and founding myths are just so different.

    Besides the internet being a ‘printing press’ factor, there is also the fact that so many more people around the world today are not illiterate and are therefore capable of reading the Koran, whether in translation or in their own language (I know they are supposed to learn Koranic Arabic but this is often sketchy at very best). This will have been even more the case amongst European Muslims who will all be able to read, say, French or whatever the local language. I can also imagine that European Muslims are quite different to those left behind in the Middle East and North Africa in that being cut off from their cultural roots they have fewer institutions and figures within their communities that they can turn to to interpret the Koran–the universities, scholars, etc, and are potentially thus more inclined to want to work things out for themselves, like Westerners do.

    Something else this underlines is that, as I have intimated in this comment and elsewhere, lazy comparisons between Christianity and Islam are bogus and a little stupid. It is especially ironic when liberals do this, which they do all the time–‘there are violent Christians too’ and so on. It is ironic because these are the people who always accuse others of seeing the Orient through the prism of the West rather than on its own terms. Yet they themselves very much see Islam in this very way themselves, as if Muslims were just Episcopalians with a more vibrant body odour. I think they make a lazy assumption that things will turn out OK in the end because the trajectory of Islam will follow the trajectory of Christianity–superstition eventually overpowered by enlightenment reason–but of course it is just silly to assunme that this will happen. They themselves have not understood just how ‘other’ Islam can be.

    prolier than thou

    December 10, 2015 at 1:25 pm

    • I think they [liberals] make a lazy assumption that things will turn out OK in the end because the trajectory of Islam will follow the trajectory of Christianity–superstition eventually overpowered by enlightenment reason–but of course it is just silly to assunme that this will happen. They themselves have not understood just how ‘other’ Islam can be.

      Truer words were never spoken. The liberals are deluded fools. In a similar vain, they think Africa and the middle east will begin to control their populations when they become more prosperous. Those societies are so very different from the West that we have no way of knowing what is going to happen there. Besides it may be that in the West the smaller families led to more prosperity and better education, rather than the opposite.

      Rosenmop

      December 10, 2015 at 1:58 pm

  14. Islam is a lot like Judaism because Muhammad borrowed a lot from the cults of his hometown, who were influenced by both Judaism and Christianity; just like Jesus riffed off Judaism and later Joseph Smith riffed off Christianity.

    McFly

    December 10, 2015 at 1:26 pm

    • Well Jesus was a Jew, and I don’t think he planned to begin a new religion. So of course Christianity is based on Judaism. Mohammed simply stole the ideas of others and passed them off as his own.

      Rosenmop

      December 10, 2015 at 1:59 pm

      • Jesus never wrote anything himself, and the only thing we know about him are accounts of his alleged life written several generations later.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 10, 2015 at 2:19 pm

      • Perhaps the more apt comparison is not between Jesus and Mohammad, but rather between Paul and Mohammad. Christianity, after all, could just as easily be called ‘Paulism’.

        Like Mohammad, Paul was a historical figure in a way Jesus was not. Paul can clearly be seen to be trying to establish a new religion in a way Jesus was not, but Mohammad was. Both were trying to incorporate the Jewish tradition with the idea of a new and final prophet.

        Paul was intellectually more sophisticated, and an infinitely better writer. But then Mohammad was his own Faith’s Jesus, Paul and Constantine rolled into one.

        I don’t know if anyone here has read the Koran, but I found it the most turgid, unreadable pile of sh*te I have ever struggled to complete in my life. It wasn’t as violent as I expected, which was a shame because it would have spiced it up a bit. It is needlessly repetitive, rambling to the point of being incoherent, lacking in any philosphical depth or insight, to the point where one struggles to find anything to think about when reading it. It is also utterly and nakedly political in the lowest sense. Much of the incoherence stems from the fact that the ‘revelations’ must have been based on a momentary pragmatic need of which the modern reader is unaware, making the lists of requests and pronouncements seem bizarrely incongruous and the whole narrative disjointed. You have to read it like a geologist figuring out how a mollusc ended up at the top of a mountain. Just about the only thought I came away with was that maybe Mohammad saw himself as a Moses figure for the Arabs, as he repeats the Moses story endlessly.

        I was working with a Muslim at the time and whlst reading it at work he came up and asked me what I thought and I just started laughing.

        prolier than thou

        December 10, 2015 at 4:53 pm

      • How do we know that Mohammed actually existed as a real person?

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 10, 2015 at 8:11 pm

  15. One of the ideas of this post, that the followers of the religion don’t really know the details of it, is a pretty good insight. Razib Khan wrote a post about that very thing a while back.

    Mike Street Station

    December 10, 2015 at 1:39 pm

  16. I think we have mostly forgotten the Christian history of war and violence. ISIS likes to talk about the Crusades to retake the holy land, but that was far from the only Crusade. There was for example, the Albigensian Crusade (1209-1229). It was a military campaign to eliminate Catharism in what is today Southern France. Catharism was a popular Christian religion that did not recognize the Pope. The Catholic church condemned Cathars as heretics. Pope Innocent III tried to negotiate with the Cathars to join the Catholic church. In 1208 one of the representatives of the Pope was murdered while returning to Rome from a negotiations with the Cathars. It is unclear if Cathars were actually responsible for the murder, but the Pope Innocent III declared a crusade against the Cathars.

    Now the Pope did not actually have an army, so he told French noblemen that they could have all the land they captured from the Cathars, if they joined the crusade. The military campaign was initially successful, then suffered some setbacks before it finally succeeded in wiping out the Cathars.

    In 1209 the crusaders lay siege to the city of Béziers. This was a city of 15-20 thousand people with a mixed population of Catholics and Cathars. The Crusaders demanded that the Catholics leave the city and the Cathars surrender, but they both refused. It was claimed that when the Crusaders asked the Papal representative how they could tell Catholics from Cathars, he said “Kill them all and let God sort them out.” It is not clear if he really said this, but the Crusaders slaughter everyone in the city and then burned it. The official report to the Pop implied the leaders of the Crusade lost control of the troops, who then killed around 20,000 people. Historians think the figure may have been closer to 15,000. Accounts indicate only 30 residents of the city escaped alive.

    This was 800 years ago, but in the long view of history Christianity has not always been that peaceful a religion.

    mikeca

    December 10, 2015 at 1:54 pm

    • “Catharism”

      Now I am thinking about the Whit Stillman movie Damses in Distress.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 10, 2015 at 2:18 pm

    • When muzzies blow something up, the first thing I think about is what happened in the 13th century…

      Mobutu

      December 10, 2015 at 3:16 pm

  17. Islamic reformation is a well documented historic concept and it has happened since the beginning. Return to litteral application of the Coran and Hadith is something Omeyyades, Almoravides, Almohades, Benimerines etc. in spain and all over tue Uma have lived and done. Nihil novo sub sole.

    So it is not a new peril.

    Bruno from Paris

    December 10, 2015 at 2:12 pm

  18. Jesus was a Jewish heretic killed by Jews.

    Seth Long

    December 10, 2015 at 2:26 pm

    • Allegedly. There’s no documentation that happened except for accounts in the Gospels which are more works of fiction than they are of fact.

      Of course, the actual ancient Israel was probably a LOT different than its imagined by contemporary Jews as well as by contemporary Christians. Those were times when people were more violent than they are today and there was no Bill of Rights. Capital punishment for crimes that we, today, consider “rights” were probably common throughout the world back then.

      Modern-day Orthodox Jews believe that no one was put to death. If that’s what they want to believe, that’s great. We should only be so lucky if Muslims started believing that they never put anyone to death.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 10, 2015 at 2:29 pm

      • Josephus references Jesus (and most likely his crucifixion). Tacitus references Christ. Seutonius likely does, as well.

        You’re smart, Lion, but this subject is one of your blind spots. Even the most critical of mainstream historical scholars accept that an historical Yeshua was put to death following some kind of agitation circa first century A.D.

        Seth Long

        December 10, 2015 at 2:47 pm

      • No, Josephus does NOT reference Jesus. It’s one of those Christian lies.

        Seutonius and Tacitius only repeat what early Christians were saying.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 10, 2015 at 3:42 pm

      • His reference was later copied with added propaganda, but current consensus is that the reference itself is legitimate. And if you go down the “other historical sources are only repeating what earlier sources said!” road, you’ll end up denying that anyone in the ancient world existed.

        Not to pull the Argument from Authority card, but I’m an assistant professor, with degrees in linguistics and rhetoric, with a deep interest in rhetorical history, which runs parallel with the history of Rome and the church. One can maintain that there are no extra-biblical references to Christ, but it requires a degree of skepticism that you would not actually bring to any other historical issue.

        Seth Long

        December 10, 2015 at 10:04 pm

      • There are convincing arguments for why it doesn’t refer to the Jesus in the Bible, but I forget them.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 11, 2015 at 12:08 am

      • St. Paul would also count as a Jew who killed Jewish heretics, prior to his conversion experience.

        Seth Long

        December 10, 2015 at 2:48 pm

      • Here is a good treatment of the subject. Specifically referring to Josephus, it says that he references Jesus twice. In one of them, it has clearly been tampered with by Christian apologists but the scholarly consensus leans toward that it wasn’t made up completely wholesale. As for the second reference, “almost without exception, modern scholars consider this passage genuine and an undisputed reference to Jesus as a historical figure.”

        Not trying to sell anything, just interested in the truth as far as it can be determined.

        http://armariummagnus.blogspot.com/2014/01/did-jesus-exist-jesus-myth-theory-again.html

        Tony M

        December 10, 2015 at 7:33 pm

      • Just because someone of a similar name and minor importance is referred to in passing doesn’t mean it’s the same person. A figure as important as Jesus was, as told in the Gospels, would have gotten a big writeup in his history.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 10, 2015 at 8:16 pm

      • There is no question that Jesus really existed as a historical figure. The Gospels alone are sufficient proof that such a man existed.

        Otis the Sweaty

        December 11, 2015 at 12:44 pm

      • Hard to tell if you are being serious or sarcastic.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 11, 2015 at 1:03 pm

    • “Jesus was a Jewish heretic killed by Jews.”

      Facilitating humankind’s salvation. Even if you accept the usual interpretation of the Gospels, it’s more like being given the honor of preparing a loved one’s body for burial.

      Jesse

      December 10, 2015 at 2:45 pm

      • Heard this little saying years ago: “After 2000 years, we heard the news. Christ was iced by the Jews.”

        Mobutu

        December 10, 2015 at 4:52 pm

      • Forum catch a Jew and go:
        – ‘Jew, now we gonna kill you!’
        – ‘What for?’, asks the Jew.
        – ‘ Because you Jews had killed our God!’
        – ‘So what do you want from me?’, says the Jew. ‘Go ahead and kill ours’.

        Yakov

        December 10, 2015 at 8:17 pm

      • Goyim not forum

        Yakov

        December 10, 2015 at 8:59 pm

  19. Liberals want Islam to skip the “120 years of bloody wars of religion” part of the Reformation and go straight to the “nice, non-violent, do-gooder Episcopalian” phase.

    Too bad the Muslims get a vote in the process. They are fine with the “bloody wars” part. And they are at least smart enough to see that the end-point of the Reformation is, for all practical purposes, the elimination of religion and immersion in a cesspool of vice. Why would they want to go down that road?

    Tarl

    December 10, 2015 at 5:47 pm

  20. Great post and comments. Lion excellent ideas on Islam, wrong on Judaism as usual. I can’t contribute anything because my butt naked Puerto Rican had stolen $950 from a customer today and I’m busy trying to keep him out of jail for the sake of his poor wife that doesn’t speak a word of English. She just had a miscarriage, can’t work for a month, was only earning $250 a week anyway. So how can she survive? The guy had 22 arrests including armed robbery and drug trafficking. I’m working hard on it.

    Yakov

    December 10, 2015 at 6:54 pm

    • Hey Yakov, 2 Jews mean 3 opinions.

      Mobutu

      December 10, 2015 at 9:35 pm

    • I got him off. He returned the money and the customer withdrew the report. It’s possible that he didn’t do it, but now my boss is gonna fire him. What if the Mexican cleaning lady did it? My boss wanted to know why I care? Because maybe he is innocent? And even if he took it, he hasn’t worked for 2 months and is very tight. And as I’ve said, his wife doesn’t speak or read English, how will the poor girl manage. I say we should let him go and we did. It took six hours to put this together. Everyone just assumes he is evil. Maybe he is, but maybe he isn’t.

      Today he’d asked me if Hitler was Jewish. Now this guy for sure doesn’t read The Unz Report so where does he get an idea like this?

      Yakov

      December 10, 2015 at 10:20 pm

      • Today he’d asked me if Hitler was Jewish. Now this guy for sure doesn’t read The Unz Report so where does he get an idea like this?

        LOL. Come on, Unz is a good site.

        Some commentators are trash but you have to learn to pick and choose.

        Rifleman

        December 11, 2015 at 1:50 am

      • No, you come on! If Jews can create ISIS, why can’t Hitler be Jewish? I’ve posted already that Israel Shamir, a despicable convert to Christianity and a contributor to the Unz report, claimed that Hitler wasn’t antisemitic and that the Jews had financed him. Are you and me talking about the same Unz?

        Yakov

        December 11, 2015 at 12:08 pm

      • Right-wing anti-Semites criticize Jews for being disproportionately represented among liberals, yet ironically Jews are even disproportionately represented among anti-Semites.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 11, 2015 at 12:27 pm

  21. A good overview of various religious, world and historical legal systems is “Legal Systems Very Different From Ours” by David Friedman. A interesting book on the impacts of Islamic law is the “The Long Divergence: How Islamic Law Held Back the Middle East” by Timur Kuran. Kuran broadly argues when Islam came about it’s laws on business and trade were better than its many competitors, but fell behind over time due to being unable to be adapted like western laws due to their religious character.

    http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Academic/Course_Pages/legal_systems_very_different_12/LegalSystemsDraft.html
    http://lorenzo-thinkingoutaloud.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/long-divergence-1.html – a good overview and summary of the book

    http://www.amazon.com/Long-Divergence-Islamic-Held-Middle/dp/0691147566/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1318636364&sr=8-1

    With the thoughts you'd be thinkin

    December 10, 2015 at 8:12 pm

    • Frankly, I have serious doubts about Islam’s contribution to these matters. The flowering and stagnation of Islam appears to many as some sort of mystery but it really isn’t. Islam’s various “Golden Ages” were primarily due to the twilight of more advanced civilizations they conquered. Islam co-opted the civilization of others. When the supply of educated slaves died off, then Islam stagnated back to the bedouin existence that is there origin. Likewise, the laws on business and trade were adapted from conquered people. When the supply of jurists and merchants died off, Islam stagnated.

      map

      December 11, 2015 at 3:01 am

  22. it would also be nice if protestantism were “called out” by lion.

    jesus was a Cynic and a Marxist after Diogenes but before Marx (and Engels).

    totally lost on those soi disant “christians” who’ve never read the NT, let alone the OT.

    but QUITE curiously those countries which are most christian all have a cross in their flag…and they’re all a combo of “post-christian” and lutheran.

    to describe what was christendom and its diaspora as agnostic or irreligious or atheist is in-accurate.

    the west is best described as “post-christian”…

    meaning that christianity had and still has an effect on values and culture but for the most part is regarded as “silly” in its claims of fact.

    for those who think christianity has had no such long lasting and salutary effect….travel…you’ll notice it…it’s impossible not to notice.

    dont call me shirley

    December 10, 2015 at 11:02 pm

  23. I think the take on Protestantism here is largely incorrect. Protestantism is just another Gnostic Heresy, no different than the Cathars. It introduced religious solipsism, driven by the conscience, instead of a systemic knowledge of God that the Catholics and the Orthodox possessed. The result is endless schisms which now even accept atheism and secularism as somehow beholden to God. Witness the Anglican Church and the Unitarians.

    Protestantism is what happens when you stop burning heretics at the stake. Had Martin Luther had his hands chopped off and nailed to the door of the Cathedral along with his criticisms, then this mess would’ve been solved in the same way the Cathar mess was solved. Unfortunately, the Church was too busy fighting off the Muslim invasion, dealing with the collapse of Constantinople, and generally preserving the classical greek and roman world throughout the Middle Ages, that it made the mistake of letting this heresy slip through. We are dealing with the consequences of this mistake.

    map

    December 11, 2015 at 3:18 am

  24. Good news for my butt naked Puerto Rican. He was in court today on weapons possession and here is what he has to say, but you, mates, do you think he took that money or not?

    Jacob thank god case dismissed ño probable cause and my lawyer told me that was the stupidest thong to do was leave from there yesterday that I should of called him he would of came and also I cannot be fired because I wasn’t arrested nor a quitted for robbery a complaint is just a causation like u said therefore it’s against the law to fire me on those grounds because it’s his word against mines in court and he also said what about the cleaning lady that was there and o was wrongfully singled out accused he didn’t see me nor I’m on tape so I just gave away for free that money anyways I have to talk to the boss he has to analyze this whole thing before firing me and thanks for the support and my wife believed me that I didn’t do it

    Yakov

    December 11, 2015 at 12:49 pm


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