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Comment about Trump and proles

Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta writes:

What makes me so sad about “Meriprolistan” is how those disgusting, vile and crass celebrities and jocks are so idolized. In prior generations it wasn’t unusual for the uneducated and low class to strive to inculcate their offspring with the values that would equip their next generation to rise to something better. Nowadays grownups across classes admire the trash-talkers and buffoons. World Wrestle Mania for all!. What bugs me about Trump aren’t necessarily his positions. Rather because he’s taking style notes from WWE and Howard Stern and yelling and carrying on like a low-class jerk. The billionaire real estate macher has out-crassed that fat Jersey boy governor. Trumps appeal to the proles consists 50% of his take no prisoner DGAF confidence, 30% crass loudmouthed bluster and probably only 20% policy positions.

I would have much rather supported somebody like a Romney, who could act dignified, calm and tactful like a sweetheart but while being quiet and firm on things like immigration restrictions.

It should be noted that this indictment of proles comes from someone whose pseudonym is a homonym for an uncouth activity. But leaving that aside, I too liked Romney very much for his dignified style.

The media has played the primary role in making candidate Trump possible. Not only do they give him the free publicity which has enabled him to rise to the top of the polls, they also set the stage for Trump by making it perfectly acceptable that voters should select a candidate based on whether they would want to have a beer with him, and they chuckled mightily when Romney was taken down by someone who said that he’s the guy who fired the guy you would want to have a beer with (or something like that).

More importantly, Romney is just too respectable to say anything that the media would judge to be politically incorrect. The problem is that our problems stem from political correctness. It’s politically incorrect demand a halt to immigration, despite the fact that this is what a majority of Americans want. Only a bozo like Trump can ignore the political correctness and give us the policies that make sense.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

December 11, 2015 at 9:42 am

Posted in Politics

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  1. I can remember a time when the Democrats were the proles and the Republicans were, by and large, the gentry. The prole drift of the GOP has been sure and steady since Nixon. It was his Southern Strategy that definitively transformed it from the party of moderate, Northeastern old money to a carnival of evangelical hicks and sunbelt strivers. The trajectory of the Bush Family perfectly paralleled this. In less than a half a century, they degenerated from uber-Wasp George H. W. to the redneck George W. We never thought it could get worse.

    And then it did. Trump is the inevitable incarnation of the Republican Party’s contemporary spirit. Trump is “peak prole”, if you will.


    December 11, 2015 at 10:27 am

    • Very observant.

      Perhaps the realignment that the Lion is predicting this cycle is the logical completion of this trend?

      I was always convinced that George W (Baby) Bush was putting on a phony anti-intellectual simple man from Texas act. He seemed so different from his dad, George HW (Poppy) Bush. But now I’m thinking that it might have been more genuine after all. Baby boomer prole drift. I admired the war hero father, stiff upper lip square type and all. Bubba Clinton was quite the contrast with his cool style and counter-cultural appeal. Didn’t care for Clinton’s style, but with his NAFTA, WTO and welfare reform he arguably made a better “Republican” president than the conciliatory Bush who compromised with congress on the deficit to raise taxes and ushered in plenty of bleedy-heart do-gooderism with things like the Americans with Disabilities Act.

      Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

      December 11, 2015 at 12:21 pm

      • I think that the Trump phenomenon is different. It’s not about going after evangelicals with an anti-abortion message, it’s about going after secular blue-collar whites with a genuine populist message.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 11, 2015 at 12:34 pm

  2. Romney, who could act dignified, calm and tactful like a sweetheart but while being quiet and firm on things like immigration restrictions.

    Dignified, calm and tactful = a big giant pussy.

    A man who will not fight.

    A man perfectly suited to the predesignated Republican role of “graceful loser”.

    Give me an example of Romney being “firm” about anything.

    Fuck dignified, calm and tactful. We need a fighter. The Left pulls no punches, takes no prisoners, and shamelessly slanders its enemies. You can’t beat that with dignified, calm and tactful.


    December 11, 2015 at 10:34 am

    • Whether its business, politics, or social settings, I, personally, have a hard time taking a crass loud mouth seriously. That behavior screams “leaps before he looks”.


      December 11, 2015 at 11:30 am

      • The problems we have now have been around for many decades. We need someone who will do something about them. Stop looking, start leaping.


        December 11, 2015 at 2:02 pm

    • Tarl gets it. And it’s really not that hard to get really.

      Andrew E.

      December 11, 2015 at 11:50 am

      • Oh, I get it, too. I’m just stating who I would prefer to take seriously.


        December 11, 2015 at 1:32 pm

    • Yes. Trump is no bozo. It’s a bozo world that sees his commonsense views as bozo.

      The Left has no enemies to the Left. Therefore, the Right must do likewise or be destroyed.


      December 11, 2015 at 2:10 pm

  3. This is a good comment, but the main quality that makes Trump irresistible is that he is genuine. Romney, on the other hand, is the epitome of phony. I just hate Romney. Also he belongs to a despicable cult. I hate, hate, hate Romney! And yeah, you can have a good shmues with Trump. Trump is the guy to have a beer with and to watch some good Sumo wrestling with and to elect predident. Trump is totally amazing.


    December 11, 2015 at 10:38 am

    • Romney didn’t know how to frame issues. When asked questions from a lib frame he would get defensive and implicitly agree with the framing, thus awkward phrases like “binders full of women” and “trickle-down government” which was lifted from 41’s losing 1992 campaign and just reminded people of the lib talking point “trickle-down economics”!

      Some older cucservs act like there is some magic phrasing with which they can make their positions sound “nice” to their adversaries. I saw one on Twitter recently claiming “No one wants to ban SSM, we just want to privatize it.” Who is going to fight on that hill? This fools no one and signals that they feel sheepish about their own positions.


      December 11, 2015 at 12:05 pm

    • An Orthodox Jew is calling Mormons a cult?


      December 11, 2015 at 12:09 pm

      • Mormonism is a cult because it keeps parts of the religion secret until you demonstrate enough dedication to be welcomed to the inner circle. Orthodox Judaism is not a cult, just very strict and intense.

        Not that there’s anything wrong with cults. Cults were considered normal and not a big deal during the Roman Empire.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 11, 2015 at 12:28 pm

      • I don’t necessarily think there’s anything inherently wrong with cults, either. It depends on what they’re doing. Some could be very good and beneficial for members. While others could be abusive and dangerous. I just thought it was interesting that an orthodox jew was calling mormonism a cult when they’re both cults. I disagree with your reasoning for why it’s not. Cults may or may not keep their beliefs secret. That’s not what defines a cult.


        December 11, 2015 at 4:00 pm

      • You are using this definition: “a small religious group that is not part of a larger and more accepted religion and that has beliefs regarded by many people as extreme or dangerous”

        I was using the definition for a “mystery religion,” which is what I think people really mean by cults, but “mystery religion” has a neutral sound to it, while “cult” sounds sinister.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 11, 2015 at 4:18 pm

  4. The New Yorker has been having some fun with Trump and his plan to deny Muslims entry:


    December 11, 2015 at 11:24 am

  5. But leaving that aside, I too liked Romney very much for his dignified style.

    Yes, some good qualities but simply too polite for what is needed.

    The enemy needs to be confronted and crushed. Romney wasn’t capable. And McCain is part of the enemy himself.

    Romney would make an excellent Secretary of State. Handsome, dignified older guy. He can be a diplomatic wuss to the world to compensate for Trump’s “take no prisoners” style.

    Problem is Romney is a basic neo-con, hate Russia type. Not good. so who knows.


    December 11, 2015 at 11:33 am

    • Granted it’s difficult to find the right balance in confrontations between “fight” and diplomacy. Everybody’s probably right that being too polite will get a president nowhere. But is it even possible any more for somebody to deliver a stiff-upper-lip assertive and strong but calm demeanor or do confrontations require an escalated show of social aggression. I don’t think the calm and confident strength works any more. It’s gotta be Wrestlemania theater or it ain’t gonna get respect.

      This might be why the current president is such a disappointment and failure. Whatever one thinks of his politics, anybody should be able to find plenty to criticize about his ability to deliver and execute his vision. He’s just not enough of a pitbull; more of a prickly thin-skinned pencil-neck. Both Barry O and his supporters complain about the resistance of the Republicans and the do-nothing Congress, but opposition is the nature of the game for whomever gets elected. He applied for a job and for almost the entirety of his tenure he’s been complaining about his colleagues and using it for an excuse for why he’s not getting anything done. It’s a lousy thankless job, but he should have know about this before he applied. The junior senator from Illinois big claim to fame was soaring inspiring rhetoric, but that alone doesn’t make a great leader or president. He has lacked both the experience and toughness to hold either his side or the opposition to account.

      Those who criticized this lack of experience back in 2008 were probably right. If you are out fishing and catch a beautiful little fish, you still throw it back in hope that it’ll grow up to be a worthy catch. However Americans were just too impatient to get a cocoa colored guy for a president.

      PS. If Barry O is America’s Nelson Mandela, how soon can we expect our Jacob Zuma?
      I don’t know if anybody’s been paying attention to Zuma’s leadership. An appalling embarrassment and a not-so-slow-motion catastrophe…

      Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

      December 11, 2015 at 12:57 pm

  6. Remember how things were at the beginning? Only Trump could steam roller the media shit tests. Romney couldn’t do it last time, nor Walker this time, nor the rest of the current hapless, lame rogue’s gallery either for that matter. Trump is the only viable candidate.


    December 11, 2015 at 11:49 am

    • That’s why I’m immune to establishment plaintive wails that Trump can’t win the general election. The truth is no regular Republican can. Demographics have seen to that. The only shot for the Presidency is a Hail Mary pass like Trump. That also makes a third party run a plausible threat to the GOP establishment. It’s not a choice between BushRubio or Hillary. Hillary will win if anyone else is on the ticket but Trump. That’s not saying Trump is a sure fire win, but at least he offers a real shot.

      Mike Street Station

      December 11, 2015 at 3:49 pm

  7. You may find this amusing. Documenting anti-Trump sentiment among my Facebook peers:


    December 11, 2015 at 12:19 pm

  8. I acknowledge Thin-Skinned’s point, but I still feel it’s an acceptable price to pay, all things considered.


    December 11, 2015 at 12:53 pm

  9. And yet, George Orwell got it right, when he wrote in “1984”:

    “If there is hope, wrote Winston, it lies in the proles.

    If there was hope, it must lie in the proles, because only there in those swarming disregarded masses, 85 per cent of the population of Oceania, could the force to destroy the Party ever be generated. The Party could not be overthrown from within. Its enemies, if it had any enemies, had no way of coming together or even of identifying one another. Even if the legendary Brotherhood existed, as just possibly it might, it was inconceivable that its members could ever assemble in larger numbers than twos and threes. Rebellion meant a look in the eyes, an inflexion of the voice, at the most, an occasional whispered word. But the proles, if only they could somehow become conscious of their own strength, would have no need to conspire. They needed only to rise up and shake themselves like a horse shaking off flies. If they chose they could blow the Party to pieces tomorrow morning. ”


    “The proles, it suddenly occurred to him, had remained in this condition. They were not loyal to a party or a country or an idea, they were loyal to one another. For the first time in his life he did not despise the proles or think of them merely as an inert force which would one day spring to life and regenerate the world. The proles had stayed human. They had not become hardened inside. They had held on to the primitive emotions which he himself had to re-learn by conscious effort. And in thinking this he remembered, without apparent relevance, how a few weeks ago he had seen a severed hand lying on the pavement and had kicked it into the gutter as though it had been a cabbage-stalk.

    ‘The proles are human beings,’ he said aloud. ‘We are not human.’ “


    December 11, 2015 at 1:28 pm

  10. How did Trump accomplish everything in his life if he’s just a “blowhard” or a “bozo” or a “clown?” Do people think he acts like a fool when it comes to his business? Trump’s positions on most things have been remarkably consistent. I also like the fact that he’s not an ideologue. Trump is a rough-and-tumble guy who genuinely loves America. I’m not a ra-ra patriot by any means, but I think its nice if the President has a deep affection for the country he’s in charge of.

    Wanting someone like Romney is wanting more establishment stuff. People with “propriety” (judged by whom?) and correct behavior. I’m not even in Trump’s uneducated white demographic. I’ve gone to some of the best schools in the world and am probably more educated than 98% of the general population. Still for Trump.


    December 11, 2015 at 1:36 pm

    • Trump is a rough-and-tumble guy who genuinely loves America.

      I think this is true and essentially why so many of “the better White people” hate him and his supporters.


      December 11, 2015 at 3:35 pm

  11. “I would have much rather supported somebody like a Romney, who could act dignified, calm and tactful like a sweetheart but while being quiet and firm on things like immigration restrictions.”

    Didn’t he say he wanted to staple a green card to the STEM degree of any foreigner?


    December 11, 2015 at 4:02 pm

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