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The bamboo ceiling

unam writes in a comment:

there seems to be a lot of anti-asian stuff floating around here. Hate to break the bubble for you guys, but if you look at the ivy;s and all the top schools, its like 20-25% asian. These guys might be employees for the first 10 or 15 years, but then the cream of the crop will shoot through like for every other group. So you will most likely than not be working under an asian guy/gal. Don’t kid yourself and pretend otherwise. The writing is on the wall.

It’s unfortunate that there is so much anti-Asian stuff floating around here. I need to be a little more discriminating when approving comments.

However, with respect to East Asians, I don’t see them moving up the corporate ladder. East Asians are underrepresented in corporate management positions relative to their dominance in top schools. Asians have the wrongful notion that high quality work is rewarded, but that’s not the case. Corporate America promotes extroverted people who are good at networking and schmoozing with their bosses. East Asians are too introverted to get promoted, and there’s no affirmative action to help them along. There’s a bamboo ceiling and the ceiling is pretty darn low to the ground.

On the other hand, I do see Indians being promoted, especially in IT departments, but even outside of IT. Unlike introverted East Asians, Indians (also considered “Asians” by the U.S. Census) are almost as extroverted as white Americans. They also have a lack of creativity and love of bureaucracy that corporate America seems to like very much, at least for middle management positions.

Once an Indian gets promoted to a position where they have the power to hire more people, they tend to hire mostly Indians.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

December 28, 2015 at 2:42 pm

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  1. Lion is right. Odds are you will working for/report to a white guy, not an asian. Academic smarts are good in academics. But in the real world, academic-type smarts are the bare minimum in a certain sense. You need salesemanship, persuasion, extroversion, aggressiveness, and lots of other non-typically Asian traits in order to make it in the US. For example, there are not that many Asian big law partners. I’d say less than 10%.


    December 28, 2015 at 2:47 pm

    • Indians, Muslims, and NAMs will be the “cream of the crop” in the Corporate World and not East Asians, due to our political grandstanding and HBD. The dumbing down of our career institutions to a Hollywood style worksetting appears to be 21st Century Meriproleca. Hollywood hates the people from the opposite continent that faces them.


      December 28, 2015 at 3:19 pm

    • Photo of Hawaii Supreme Court.


      December 28, 2015 at 3:50 pm

      • I can’t really tell what race anyone in that photo is.


        December 28, 2015 at 8:11 pm

      • Not sure of your point but there’s only one full blooded Asian on Hawaii’s Supreme Court. The other justices include a half white/asain woman and three white men in a state that’s only 22% white. Go Round Eyes! Woohoo!


        December 28, 2015 at 8:33 pm

  2. What about women? I think that for females, physical attractiveness matters more than extroversion. Asian women tend to be prettier on average. However, while being pretty may make you more likely to be promoted by men, it can cause resentment among the ugly, hyper masculine corporate climbing types.

    Females and males are judged by much different criteria.


    December 28, 2015 at 2:49 pm

    • “Asian women tend to be prettier on average.”

      That’s not true. To be sure, I’ve seen many attractive asian women and many unattractive white women. So it really does depend on the individual as well as a person’s personal preferences. But most whites and asians wouldn’t agree with your statement.


      December 28, 2015 at 8:51 pm

      • The study seems pretty meaningless, as the authors simply selected a bunch of whites and Asians from a database that may or may not be representative.

        On dating websites, Asian women tend to do the best. Obesity alone knocks a lot of white women out of contention. This isn’t Ukraine, I’m talking about American white women.


        December 28, 2015 at 9:41 pm

      • There’s the exoticism factor: you can’t ignore that. I wonder if it works the opposite way in Asia.

        I think that, for still-poorly-understood HBD reasons, Asians tend not to get as fat (to the point they start worrying about your metabolism at a lower BMI if you’re Asian), and since the #1 problem with Americans in terms of appearance is overweight, this gives Asian women a bit of a boost. It doesn’t help Asian men because it gets made up for by lower height.


        December 28, 2015 at 9:57 pm

      • “On dating websites, Asian women tend to do the best.”

        Not the stats I’ve seen. But I don’t need stats because I have eyes.


        December 29, 2015 at 6:34 pm

  3. You have Preeth Boohaha, the District Attorney in Manhattan who prosecuted Sheldon Silver for corruption charges. That speaks volumes for an Indian with that kind of power.

    East Asians will never be in that spotlight. HBD…Indians are Caucasoids!


    December 28, 2015 at 3:24 pm

  4. I’m not sure why the idea that Asians are not superior to us is more offensive than the idea that Asians are superior to us. A certain portion of the HBD blogosphere is Asian supremacist, which is partly a defense against racism. “See? We aren’t racists! We don’t think white people are the best, we think Asians are the best!”

    Asians (or east Asians, really) have their strong points, and weak points. They are very good at following rules to do what authority expects them to do. They are intelligent and hard-working. But they have either not innovated, or haven’t made good use of their innovations. Invented gunpowder, yes. But only used it for fireworks. Are said to have invented paper, but Europeans had paper before contact with Asia.

    The Japanese are superb craftsmen and engineers. But they aren’t cutting edge in most things, except maybe robots. The Chinese are most definitely not craftsmen or engineers, and while they make cheap manufactured goods, they are all but disposable.

    Doing things at a high level requires more than being smart and hard-working. It requires imagination, innovation, and social/leadership skills. On the balance I don’t see Asians taking over the world, and I don’t see them taking over North America either.


    December 28, 2015 at 3:49 pm

    • All this is true at the present time, but remember that countries have to produce cheap crap before they can produce high-end industrial products, and China is still industrializing. We could have a peer competitor in 20 years.

      I actually don’t see China trying to take over North America either. But they could easily dominate Asia and create a bipolar world. It wouldn’t be anything new.


      December 28, 2015 at 10:00 pm

      • Producing great stuff is not a determinant for supremacy. Civic engagement and the institutions involved, determine greatness. East Asians have lagged significantly when it comes to government, colleges and investing in their citizens with equality. The West at least have produced an equitable and a meritocratic system. So have the Muslims in the past, especially the Ottomans. But China and Japan have never believed in this concept, other than a zero sum game of winners take all mentality.


        December 29, 2015 at 12:57 pm

      • Japan doesn’t have a winner take all system. The CEOs and executives there make a lot less relative to the average worker than American execs. and they have a lot of make work type jobs for less capable workers, and they don’t fire people as easily as in American corporations. Also they don’t have immigration which benefits the wealthy and executives and harms ordinary workers. Japan tends to prioritize social stability over winner take all systems.


        December 29, 2015 at 4:33 pm

    • Gee, thanks for weighing in.

      Viscount Douchenozzlé

      December 29, 2015 at 4:24 am

  5. What’s your opinion on half-white half-asians with first generation immigrant mothers? My impression is that there are a lot of them at elite schools and that they’ve more or less absorbed mainstream American cultural values.


    December 28, 2015 at 3:58 pm

  6. Asian timidity will continue to limit their advancement into the higher echelons. I attribute this to lower than average testosterone levels. Phillipe Rushton and other racial scientists have noted, quite correctly, that Asians are very high on the iq scale but low on testosterone. This leads to a lack of aggression, an unwillingness to assert political power and politeness to a fault. Conversely, blacks have low iq and high testosterone levels which is an obvious reason for their violent criminality.

    In my opinion, the reason why whites consistently rise to positions of leadership is because they have the highest overall balance of both. An alpha white has an overall higher chance of being both intelligent yet extroverted..athletic yet restrained. These combined qualities of both mind and body are powerful and dynamic.


    December 28, 2015 at 3:59 pm

    • Physically, most East Asians do not blend in well with Meriprolestan’s color fabric. Height is one factor, and non-caucasoid and less testosterone in appearance, are 3 strikes you’re out.


      December 28, 2015 at 6:15 pm

    • I am quite amused by the “Asians lack aggression” idea…
      1937-1945: Japanese Asians slaughter millions of Chinese Asians
      1941-1945: Japanese Asians attack two white world powers
      1921-1949: Chinese Asians slaughter each other for control of China
      1950-1953: Korean Asians attack other Korean Asians, kick the shit out of the US Army
      1950-1953: Chinese Asians pile on, kick the shit out of the US Army
      1945-1954: North Vietnamese Asians kick the shit out of the French Army
      1965-1973: North Vietnamese Asians kick the shit out of the US Army and the South Vietnamese Asians
      1965-1966: Indonesian Asians kill 500,000 Indonesian Asians
      1975- : Cambodian Asians kill millions of Cambodian Asians
      1979: Chinese Asians attack Vietnamese Asians

      The history of Asia since ancient times is pretty much one long bloodbath. China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam… all as fierce, cruel and warlike as any European power.


      December 28, 2015 at 7:06 pm

      • Aggression in an intra-societal venue is different from military aggression against outsiders. Following orders makes a good army–the Germans had to fight a ridiculous war on two fronts and actually kept the British and Russians in check for a while. (I’m convinced if they’d found a different group to persecute they would have gotten the Bomb…but I’m partial of course.)

        The more beta the people, the more alpha the country.


        December 28, 2015 at 10:03 pm

      • “The more beta the people, the more alpha the country.”

        Wow, a very interesting observation.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 29, 2015 at 9:25 am

      • In their own lands yes. In others, no.


        December 29, 2015 at 8:23 am

      • The more beta the people, the more alpha the country.

        I like this. I wonder if the inverse is true?

        And perhaps, in describing the Alpha/Beta dynamic to describe a country’s collective personality, we should just say “passive” or “aggressive.”

        Socially Extinct

        December 29, 2015 at 10:03 am

      • Aggression in an intra-societal venue is different from military aggression against outsiders.

        Many of those examples are, in fact, intra-societal — Asians killing each other within their own countries. The amount of intra-societal political violence within Asia greatly exceeded the amount of intra-societal political violence within Europe since 1945.

        The more beta the people, the more alpha the country.

        Sounds clever but it is not true. The Asians in the wars I listed were not beta. Read anything about the Japanese Army, or the PLA, or either Korean army, or the North Vietnamese army, and you will see that the men were fearless, courageous, ruthless, and personally violent. In a word, alpha. They were not armies of beta sheep.

        The beta sheep model can work for a more technologically advanced army that kills people from a distance with airpower and artillery. But that was not these Asian armies. Indeed, in many of these wars (WW2, Korea, Vietnam) the Asian armies faced a high-tech opponent (the USA) and had to counter this by getting in close and fighting mano-a-mano with rifles and grenades. This was nothing if not alpha.


        December 29, 2015 at 10:28 am

      • perhaps, in describing the Alpha/Beta dynamic to describe a country’s collective personality, we should just say “passive” or “aggressive.”

        There is also the issue of IQ. On a personal level, stupid alphas will attack you without regard for consequences. Smart alphas will carefully judge whether they need to employ physical violence or not, and will do so when it is advantageous or necessary.

        On a national level, the Japanese acted “stupid alpha” in the 1930s and 1940s, attacking countries they had no chance to beat. The other countries in Asia since WW2 have been better judges of when it is necessary and possible to attack. The Chinese today, on the other hand, see that things are going their way, so there is no need for them to attack anyone anytime soon. The time to worry would be if they suddenly thought things were not trending positive for them any more…


        December 29, 2015 at 10:36 am

      • The opposite may be true, too.
        Brazil is a land full of agressive latino alphas. But my country, per se, is absolutely irrelevant, passive and obnoxious in the international context.


        December 29, 2015 at 11:50 am

      • Again, it’s not all about alpha, it’s also IQ. Sub-saharan Africa is full of alphas, but they’re not going to dominate the world because they are stupid, and therefore impoverished and disorganized.


        December 29, 2015 at 4:15 pm

      • In discussing Asian alleged timidity I’m surprised nobody has mentioned the unattractive divorced Japanese woman who stole one of the most desired Anglo males of the 60s from his wife and converted him from an alpha to a beta. I’m speaking of Yoko Ono. Not my idea of timidity.


        December 29, 2015 at 2:27 pm

      • Yoko is Japanese, which is an important distinction.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 29, 2015 at 3:40 pm

  7. There do seem to be a lot of Indian CEOs and upper level executives at major corporations:

    With the appointment of Satya Nadella as chief executive officer, Microsoft has joined a growing club of multinational corporations run by Indian-born managers. The list includes Pepsi, Deutsche Bank, MasterCard, Adobe Systems, Diageo, London-traded consumer goods giant Reckitt Benckiser and semiconductor maker GlobalFoundries.

    Which seems bizarre to me. I can see how they’d attain these positions and be promoted over introverted East Asians, but I can’t see why they’d be so overrepresented compared to white men. And I imagine white men or introverted East Asians would probably run these companies better than the Indians. Are there any Indian developed corporations that have made decent products like Toyota, Sony, Samsung, etc?


    December 28, 2015 at 4:13 pm

    • “but I can’t see why they’d be so overrepresented compared to white men.”

      Very simple. A country’s average IQ plays a major role in it’s prosperity. It’s much harder to be rich in a country with an average IQ of 85 because the country will be generally poor. But, even if a country’s average IQ is 85, there’s still going to be a lot of very smart people. And if that country has over a billion people then the top 1% is still going to be millions of people. That’s millions of very smart people who want to move to another country that isn’t poor.


      December 28, 2015 at 9:00 pm

      • I still don’t see why you’d hire an Indian to run these companies over ordinary white guys, or even asian nerds for that matter.


        December 28, 2015 at 9:49 pm

  8. Once an Indian gets promoted to a position where they have the power to hire more people, they tend to hire mostly Indians.

    And what’s the term for that?


    Here’s an article on one of your subjects:

    Consider “Mein Grundeinkommen” — “My Basic Income” — just giving every German 1,000 euros a month.


    December 28, 2015 at 4:18 pm

    • Well sure, as long as we don’t entertain any notions that Mein Basic Income will reduce poverty, poverty spending, bureaucracy, or the number of bureaucrats. We are all worldly wise here, right?

      Perhaps it can be seen as a way to sneak in some inflation.


      December 29, 2015 at 7:55 am

  9. I’ve seen a lot of IT development groups that are still one white guy managing 10-20 Chinese or Indians. But Lion is right that Indians are much better ladder climbers than Chinese. Part of this is command of English among immigrants, but another part is certain Indians are sneaky little low-trust weasels who have no scruples about back-stabbing or ethnic nepotism (I have worked with hundreds and hundreds, so this isn’t an observation based on one guy). Other Indians seem to be perpetual adolescents who act like squeaky 16 year old girls, even though they are 30+. These guys are NOT making management.

    But concerning the Chinese/Indians who are raised in America and speak English, you already see more and more Asian names popping up in journalism. This is partly because Chinese and Indians turn into super-SWPLs. They love love love taking on the attributes of Progressive maniacs. I was out the other day with a young Chinese girl, raised mostly in America, went to Cornell, etc. (She was my friend’s date.) When speaking of Cornell, where she was an English major, the first thing out of her mouth was, with utter contempt, “It was just so white.” She practically spit the word “white.”

    So yeah, we’re training a generation of smart Asian kids to hate hate hate whites, just like SWPL whites do.

    Anyway, she was a cute girl, and smart, but oh my god she had every obnoxious SJW trait you could imagine.


    December 28, 2015 at 5:01 pm

    • One needs to ask why Preet Brharara, an Indian, is able to prosecute and lock up a very powerful Jewish politician, Sheldon Silver?

      Highly educated Indians to me are the “New Jews”. They come off as verbose, opportunistic, tribal and wealthy.


      December 29, 2015 at 11:15 am

      • You forgot to mention the inferiority complexes.


        December 29, 2015 at 12:25 pm

  10. ‘It’s unfortunate that there is so much anti-Asian stuff floating around here. I need to be a little more discriminating when approving comments.’

    I haven’t notice any more anti-Asian then anti-Jewish, or anti-NAM, or anti-Italian, or anti-Jewish comments. This HBD in action, so I’m not sure what you could have censored.

    I saw a really cute Chinese wedding next to my commercial parking. They were like little dolls, all American style with a stretched limo, balloons, white dress, everything. The family was crying overwhelmed with emotion. Photographers were clicking away to preserve the precious moments. And all this was taking place outside of my commercial parking. Personally, I was moved to the point of tears, when a thought went through my mind : ‘What the hell are they doing here?’ And then I thought that maybe these Chinese or some white or black folks are having the same thoughts about me or Lion? I’m sure they do and I can understand that.


    December 28, 2015 at 5:34 pm

    • i didn’t know asians cried, they seem like the more stoic type


      December 28, 2015 at 6:31 pm

      • My friend spent 20 years in the Russian army and he claimes that Chinese women cry during sexual intercourse. He’s brutish, but swears it wasn’t on the account of anything that he was doing, it’s just how they are. So according to him it comes out that they cry more then other races. I tend to believe him, because when he was stationed in Mozambique he had made no such observations. On the other hand he liked the women there, so maybe it’s him after all, he just found his type. He is very observant ( not like religiously) and learned tons about bananas over there. When we had an argument at an HVAC supplier about how to peel a banana, he settled it. So that settles it for me, I basically trust him. But why they cry? This is so freaky. The guys must feel like rapists or something, no? Is this why some people prefer them?


        December 28, 2015 at 7:16 pm

      • “i didn’t know asians cried, they seem like the more stoic type” – Asia is a continent, and not a single culture. I can’t imagine, say, a northern Chinese crying at a wedding, but for the other hundred or so ethnic groups in Asia, who knows?


        December 29, 2015 at 9:55 am

      • Well, in asian porn girls usually pretend to cry


        December 29, 2015 at 11:54 am

    • One can observe HBD but visiting the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Europeans have created the most spectacular, diverse art in existence. Africans and East Asian art forms are rather crude, and blacks are the most crude.


      December 29, 2015 at 1:01 pm

  11. I worked for an Asian couple for 20 years. He was the CEO who started a tech business in my depressed little town that ended up employing > 300 at its peak. She did the books. No one knew who they were, because them kept such a low profile. Didn’t want charities and salesmen bothering them. The company did no PR and had a terrible reputation for low pay.. Asians are not sentimental in the least, and don’t make a big deal about how well they’re going to treat employees, like some silly white startups do (with great fanfare, then they close a year later). But he did reward merit. If you produced, learned the systems, you were moved up quickly. Women had a shot, all races had a shot..I felt like I had a shot, but couldn’t overcome the problems of my job. I found my limits and my wages flatlined after 10 years of regular raises.

    At the end I was laid off by the Indian programmer who had been promoted to president. I was okay with that, thanks to my 401k.

    Mrs Stitch

    December 28, 2015 at 5:37 pm

  12. Indians are definitely more extroverted, loquacious, and bold than Asians. Hence they are also represented well in fields like healthcare, investment banking, small businesses, and silicon valley startups. However there is a strong tendency among Indians for groupthink and social conformity. Also lots of showmanship to impress friends and family with material wealth. These traits select against creativity.

    Due to tendency for groupthink, Indians seem to be more aware of the importance of social relations, networking, and persuasion skills to achieve success. It seems Asians are a bit more naive in that they truly think the person with the highest test scores and the one who works the longest hours should get the best jobs.

    Asians made up 16.4% of Harvard’s class of 2000 ( These students are now 15 years out of college. If Unam is right, the cream of the crop should be shooting to the top right now. Where are they?


    December 28, 2015 at 5:57 pm

  13. This is an uncharacteristically low-IQ thread for the Lion blog. Asia is increasingly innovative; China had been shackled for decades because of its political fucked-upedness but to say it’s not innovative in 2015 because of how they dealt with fireworks and paper thousands of years ago is just dumb. Wechat and Alibaba in many ways put their American predecessors to shame in terms of innovation (see e.g. Have you not heard of Huwei and Tencent? You will soon. And to say Japan is not innovative because they only innovate in terms of robots — i.e. one of the most innovative fields of them all — is equally dumb. Is Samsung not innovative? Think harder, people.


    December 28, 2015 at 6:18 pm

    • Who is responsible for the political fucked-upedness of China? The Chinese themselves of course. Political systems are not like weather that randomly come down on populations.


      December 28, 2015 at 7:25 pm

      • Perhaps you’d like to try your hand at making meaningful comparisons to the American political system, then?

        Viscount Douchenozzlé

        December 29, 2015 at 4:28 am

      • There’s an important distinction here between places that always been backward (e.g. Africa and the pre-Colombian Americas) and places that go through cycles of dark age and golden age, as is true of both the West and China. Perhaps, just as the West stands on the brink of a new dark age, China will continue its ascent into a new golden age. Or perhaps not.

        China was in the unfortunate position of being in the midst of a dark age just as it was coming into sustained contact with the West. Maybe this dark age could partly be blamed on China itself, though China had been invaded by first Mongols and later Manchus. For all that, China was still more productive than the West on the eve of the industrial revolution.

        China’s failure to industrialize might well be blamed on the high-level equilibrium trap:

        China was later invaded by Japan (which for idiosyncratic Japanese reasons was able to industrialize rapidly before anyone else in Asia), and then “liberated” in part by the USSR, which greatly aided Mao’s victory. A hypothetical Kuomintang China might be closer to Taiwan’s level of development than present-day Red China.


        December 29, 2015 at 8:54 am

      • China and a golden age?

        The Chinese are the one of the least dynamic people in the world, which speaks of all East Asians (with a slight exception for the Japanese).


        December 29, 2015 at 12:29 pm

      • Japan built the world’s first aircraft carrier, and had a big fleet of aircraft carriers at the beginning of WWII. It took the U.S. some time to catch up (although we built up a huge navy in an amazingly short amount of time compared to how long it takes to build an aircraft carrier today).

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 29, 2015 at 12:34 pm

      • Luciano Pavarotti was perhaps the greatest opera singer in our age. An Italian guido who was able to cross cultures and perform and sing at the Beijing opera. Yet, the Beijing opera has not perform one single Western play or concert.

        The Chinese are a rather incurious people, lacking in creativity/dynamism.


        December 29, 2015 at 12:38 pm

      • My point is that populations are responsible for their governments. That China would be better off if they weren’t Communist is besides the point. Indians also say they would be better off if their economy didn’t suffer from a sclerotic govt bureaucracy. But that is the system they continually endorse through elections.

        Americans are responsible for their political system as well. Trump presents an opportunity to change course. It is up to Americans to take advantage of the opportunity or maintain the status quo.


        December 29, 2015 at 1:41 pm

      • JS, I enjoy reading your opinions as much as anyone’s on this forum, but you really need to keep your opinions to topics to which you have some expertise.

        You wrote:

        “Luciano Pavarotti was perhaps the greatest opera singer in our age. An Italian guido who was able to cross cultures and perform and sing at the Beijing opera.”

        Do you realize that Pavarotti performing in a Beijing opera looked ridiculous? That particular director simply wanted a famous western singer in a role; the director simply wanted a white guy for the audience to gawk at, and frankly I found the entire episode to be a bit distasteful.

        “Yet, the Beijing opera has not perform one single Western play or concert.”

        The Beijing opera and western operas has as much in common as ballet and tango, it would be very very difficult indeed for a good Beijing opera singer to sing Western style opera, or vise versa. If you knew much about both operas, you’d realize just how awful Pavarotti sounded in that [Beijing] opera. Of course, if you mean, why don’t they host western style operas in Beijing – they do:

        “The Chinese are a rather incurious people, lacking in creativity/dynamism.”

        Anytime someone says “the Asians” or “the Chinese” the writer probably doesn’t know much about East Asia or China. What exactly is “the Chinese”? “The Chinese” is not a single people, regardless if “they” are indeed incurious. “The Chinese” is a term like Russian term Руссианин and refers to a person of PRC citizenship; if you want to refer to an ethnic group, you’d have to refer to “hua-ren” or “han-re” for the dominant ethnic group, and whatever else… So which of the 50+ ethnic groups do you consider Chinese? The Northern Chinese ethnic groups have about as common with the Southern groups as do the Germans from the Italians, or for that matter, from the Chechens (i.e., the Caucasians).

        Also, you really need to stop using the word Caucasoid – Meiners’ theory is based on little scientific evidence. In Russia, Caucasians are called “black asses”, is probably responsible for more than their own share of violent crimes, and certainly has little in common with most Europeans. Even the US supreme court in the United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind, ruled that Caucasian does not mean white, which I suspect is what you really mean when you use the pseudo-scientific term “Caucasoid”.


        December 29, 2015 at 8:54 pm

    • “Have you not heard of Huwei and Tencent?”

      I don’t know who Tencent is, but Huawei? (spell it correctly if you’re going to brag about it) Are you f’ing kidding me? That entire company came about through intellectual property theft from American technology companies. When they first starting making routers to compete with Cisco, they reverse engineered Cisco IOS (the operating system of the router) so overtly that you could use Cisco command line code on Huawei routers. It was blatant theft. Everything they sell is something invented elsewhere, but they were able to combine government contracts with cheap Chinese labor to undercut other providers.

      And if you don’t think Huawei has Chinese engineers in every major American tech company doing industrial espionage, then you’re smoking crack. Lucky for the low-trust Chinese that the high-trust white people in America are stupid enough to let countless thousands of Chinese nationals work for them.

      If Western nations had an ounce of sense and weren’t controlled entirely by the globalist traitor class, they would never have allowed a scrap of Huawei gear to reach their shores. The best economic weapon for the Chinese oligarchs is the traitorous nature of the Western oligarchs who are relentless in their willingness to sell out their own nations.


      December 28, 2015 at 10:36 pm

    • Are you serious with this “Huawei and Tencent” stuff? Do you think people haven’t heard of these things and that throwing their names out there will impress everyone?

      Huawei furiously churns out the crappy version of whatever Apple makes, and Tencent makes a chat app. Neither of these companies would be making anything of the kind if there weren’t something from the West to immitate. Tencent also, like Alibaba, is actually part of the government and those companies are administering the communist “citizen scores” that give you a credit-like rating based on the ideological compliance of your connections. Did you notice that Tencent a few years back suddenly dropped their “QQ” chat app that everyone in China used and came out with “WeChat” that everyone in China now uses instead? Do you not find that a little odd?

      My wife is Chinese and I’m very fond of her. And I would MUCH rather hear anti-Asian stuff than this despicable “China is super innovative because Alibaba, and they are the future of world civilization because at least they aren’t SJWs (except when it suits them to prod America about treatment of blacks).” Maybe you’re just one of the hundreds of thousands of people Beijing pays to post pro-China stuff online.


      December 28, 2015 at 11:33 pm

    • Huwei and Tencent are really bad examples of Chinese innovation; their products suck – I hate WeChat with a passion, and try constantly to no avail to get my Chinese relatives to move to the Belorussian/Jewish program Viber.

      If you really want to talk about Chinese innovation, look at Da-Jiang Innovations Science and Technology Co., Ltd. – better known simply as DJI. They make the Phantom and Inspire drones, and have such a dominance in that market that the DJI Phantom has made it to South Park:

      DJI’s drone flight control systems and software is second to none, and they’ve even taken their drone video tech and retrofitted them to the Ronin and Ronin-M camera stabilization systems. These things are light years ahead of the steadycam. Now they’ve taken micro 4/3 shooting raw video, and mounted them on both drones as well as the Osmo hand held stabilization system.


      December 29, 2015 at 10:14 am

  14. “You need salesmanship, persuasion, extroversion, aggressiveness….”

    I’d add risk-taking, leadership, innovation. Then again, there was a time when East Asians had those qualities. I’m thinking of Pearl Harbor.

    Mark Caplan

    December 28, 2015 at 6:19 pm

  15. As far as the entertainment industry in L.A. (my most relevant working world knowledge) is concerned, Asian women are more extroverted and adaptable than male Asians.

    Perhaps it’s the positive feedback Asian women receive from a very young age, but they seem way more comfortable in their own skin, and consequently, are able to immerse themselves in the White world quite well and seamlessly. By comparison, Asian males seem a little off and socially/emotionally incongruous. This comes off as try-hard and dweeby which are the death-knells of social success in the corporate playing field. If you can’t cut it socially, your vast intellect means squat in that little corner of the world.

    Socially Extinct

    December 28, 2015 at 7:13 pm

  16. Birds of a feather flock together. According to the MSM, we’re all going to be working for a gay or lesbians afeter we register our drones.


    December 28, 2015 at 7:19 pm

  17. I haven’t seen much anti-Asian sentiment around at all, to be honest. They seem to be either ignored or fetishized (by the more tech-singularity-NRx) on the alt-right.

    So this may qualify as anti-asian sentiment: If Asians are really smarter, wouldn’t they have the most elite colleges that whites would be dying to get into, rather than the other way around?

    I’ll perhaps care about “asian quotas” in American colleges when Asian countries produce a institution or two of higher learning on their own that Americans want to go to. Until then, its just “gimmedat” in another form.


    December 28, 2015 at 7:54 pm

    • This is the best comment. Where is the Asian Harvard or Stanford? I wish more people in the alt-right would quit fetishizing Asians just because they have higher IQs than the average non-white population. Asians also love Western designer luxury goods but seem unable to produce their own desired brands. Maybe Asians are uncreative? No, that would be a stereotype.


      December 29, 2015 at 2:56 am

      • Kyoto University is the Harvard of Japan. But not many outsiders are going to go there as the instruction is in Japanese. The U.S. benefits from English being the international language of commerce and the global elites.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 29, 2015 at 9:33 am

    • Corruption is a major problem in China and much of the non-Western world. It is probably lack of corruption that makes Western degrees more valuable. Yet with so much immigration into the West from corrupt places how long can the West cling to its low-corruption and high-trust? Already it is decaying.


      December 29, 2015 at 3:02 am

  18. Indians had no problem lying and cheating. They take advantage of the trusting Northern Europeans. They are the best value transferers.


    December 28, 2015 at 8:26 pm

    • They are also ugly and rather unpleasant. A little bathing would be good for them. I mean, really:


      December 28, 2015 at 9:24 pm

    • For a culture where such a high proportion of people cheating on their spouse (closest person in your entire life), you sure have balls to point fingers at some other race when it comes to cheating. Please don’t talk about white people scruples. You ain’t fooling anyone.


      December 28, 2015 at 11:19 pm

  19. I haven’t really noticed lot of Asian bashing. At least, not nearly as much as I’ve seen white-bashing. The entire country is obsessed with badmouthing whites. It’s mostly blacks and white liberals. But there are always a few asians piling on.


    December 28, 2015 at 9:30 pm

  20. Yet if you go to Asia to do business, it’s an incredibly social and who-do-you-know atmosphere.

    I think many East Asians think that they escaped that sort of stuff when they came to America, and try and teach what they think are American values (strict meritocracy) to their children, but don’t understand that the more things change, the more many things stay the same.

    For many of the fields they often seek out (medicine, etc…) it is that way, though. But the corporate ladder is the corporate ladder is the corporate ladder.

    Some Guy

    December 28, 2015 at 9:51 pm

    • “Yet if you go to Asia to do business, it’s an incredibly social and who-do-you-know atmosphere.”

      But it’s networking amongst other introverts. Asians can’t compete against whites in a white culture when it comes to this sort of schmoozing.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 29, 2015 at 9:22 am

      • Correct, beta vis-à-vis beta isn’t the same as beta vis-à-vis alpha.

        The real issue is that East Asians seem to lack curiosity or intellectual pursuits (not academic grinding that one finds with them at our higher learning centers).


        December 29, 2015 at 11:48 am

  21. No Indians made it through my technical interview. Ever. I ask a question that a candidate doesn’t know the answer to and I don’t expect the right answer, just the right approach. They would be totally bewildered by such questions. For example, I would go like:

    – Say you drop a generation data set on the floor and destroy the tape or the disk, how would you recreate it from a backup?

    Fugget about it. The question gives away the answer, but you gotta think.

    HVAC is actually pretty tricky. One of my favorites is a simple question how to charge a TXV system. Because TXV maintains superheat, most people answer that you do it by superheat, which is obviously wrong. It maintains superheat regardless of the charge, so the superheat cannot be the correct answer. The option that’s left is by subcooling. There are excellent Chinese HVAC techs, though. From talking to them I’m pretty sure that they would ace my interview. I’ve met a few, very few, excellent Indian programmers, but I don’t like them or the Chinese either. I like straight people.


    December 28, 2015 at 10:52 pm

  22. Trump now tied for the lead in the betting markets with Rubio. Ideally we go into Iowa with Trump at 40% nationally and the top guy in the betting markets. An upset victory in IA would make Trump unstoppable.

    The not Rubio establishment candidates are going to drop out after NH. There can be no disputing that now.

    Cruz, however, will never drop out. That means Trump cannot win a majority of the vote which makes him unlikely to be able to go to Cleveland with the majority of the delegates. So what happens when Trump has a plurality of delegates, Rubio is 2nd and Cruz is 3rd? Nobody wins on the 1st ballot, so does the establishment rally around Cruz to stop Trump? Would Cruz take such a deal, knowing that it is electoral suicide or would he instead use his leverage to force Trump to make him (Cruz) Trump’s VP?

    Otis the Sweaty

    December 29, 2015 at 12:24 am

  23. ” They also have a lack of creativity and love of bureaucracy that corporate America seems to like very much, at least for middle management positions.”

    Yeah that’s why they’re so underrepresented in startups.. Oh wait.

    Asian success runs a pretty varied gamut, except for sports and entertainment haha.. We’re truly screwed there.


    December 29, 2015 at 1:41 am

    • There’s nothing original that comes out of India of any value, except when Western companies tell Indians what to do.

      I’m not talking about Japan which is a different country and has indeed produced useful products.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 29, 2015 at 9:31 am

      • Bollywood? Oh wait, you said something of value.

        Indian food? I could eat it every day. Give me some saag paneer with lamb vindaloo and lentils. Sop it all up with roti or naan.

        My work experience dealing with Indians (I mentioned in a previous post that I witnessed firsthand Indians bringing down the servicing arm of Deutsche Bank) has been sub-ideal.

        At my work I have one Indian colleague who is smart and underwrites loans pretty well, but is a drunk, becomes belligerent out at bars or work events, and has a huge inferiority complex when it comes to whites, especially white women. He’s been trying to snag one for god knows how long, and the best he can get is an Asian girl. He’s obsessed with what each person makes, especially the upper-management white guys. He’s miserable at his job, but won’t leave because of the money. He’ll never be promoted to management.

        I have three Chinese working at my firm. One guy is clearly the smartest at the firm, the second is a girl with very good work habits and the third is an IT guy. They all are smart, but their social skills, especially the smartest guy, are lacking. They have no idea how to create rapport. Conversations are generally dull, and their thought processes are not linear. Not really funny either. Zero desire to move up the corporate ladder.

        Sad to say, but everyone who has moved up is a white male. We have some white women here, but they either get baby fever and leave, are recalcitrant, or become poor bosses and are shortly removed. My first boss here was a woman who had an amazing work ethic, super smart, funny outside of work, respectful, etc. She now runs the entire company,and it is justly deserved. I just had another female boss who is also great, but she had a kid and is now focused on the baby. Totally understandable, but she’s likely to drop out of the rat race.


        December 29, 2015 at 12:40 pm

    • How about Satyendra Nath Bose of the Bose–Einstein condensate fame?


      December 29, 2015 at 2:01 pm

      • There’s Chandra and Ramanujan too, but don’t forget that they are outlier geniuses not representative of Indian creativity in general.


        December 29, 2015 at 4:00 pm

      • “[d]on’t forget that they are outlier geniuses not representative of Indian creativity in general.” – I absolutely agree, but I should add that Newton and Einstein are also not representative of European creativity… but I digress, as I only wished to dispute the statement “nothing original … comes out of India”.


        December 29, 2015 at 8:57 pm

  24. It is all about power dynamics among groups of people. You need substantial pressure to get to the next level. The pressure of the people like you. So, if your company is 5% Asian, they will not make it to the top, but if it is 50%, they will. It is all about relative numbers. Now that you suddenly belong to minority, they will tell you that you are too aggressive and extroverted, so forget about any promotion. To prove me wrong, please go ahead and send your kid to 95% Asian high school and see how easily he/she will be making it to any high school equivalent of the top management position in the real world.


    December 29, 2015 at 3:01 am

  25. There are no system-caused/socially constructed ceilings. It’s all rationalization. In a meritocratic society you are where you belong, you become what you are. Nobody holds anyone down if they can make money.

    I never understand the anti-Asian stuff myself. They’re well-behaved, decent, smart and hard-working people; overall very good immigrants to have.


    December 29, 2015 at 6:56 am

  26. If there’s a “bamboo ceiling”, what do we call the barrier that prevents non-Asians (non-nationals, really) from being promoted at companies in Asia? Because I think that barrier is thicker.


    December 29, 2015 at 7:34 am

  27. In my medical school there are lots of east asians who hate whites and are fully on the social justice anti-white platform. Pretty much 100% of them. East Asians are more anti-white than Indians. In general, Indians are trying to escape their dysfunctional culture and want to be more Western, whereas east asians are more cynical and are in it just for the money– they have very little empathy, and you can almost see the gears clicking in their head that being an anti-white race baiter is the way to power and privilege in today’s society.


    December 29, 2015 at 10:14 am

    • Also, Asians are very good at “gaming the system,” and especially East Asians tend to be tribal and clannish, and in association with that, have a “dynastic” view of wealth rather than an individual view, which I don’t think is good for America’s social fabric. In medical school, I knew several Asians (both East and South) whose parents not only paid for all their schooling, but made a large down payment on a condo or townhouse for them to live in during their training. So not only do they emerge with no debt, but with also alread having some equity in real estate, and if they’re in residency they get the mortgage tax deduction unlike those of us who rented. One friend’s parents bought him a place where a tax abatement was offered, so he got that as well. But they don’t view this as spoiling their kids, they view it as pooling family resources for the benefit of the family as a whole. The mentality is not “my parents bought me a condo,” it’s “we, as a family, bought a condo for one of us, me, to live in during med school/residency.” I’ve seen some of them over on Student Doctor Network Forums explicitly state that “there isn’t my money vs. my parents’ money; it’s all our money,” snootily implying this is superior to the white “every man for himself” attitude. And while rich or upper-middle-class SWPL white parents will pay for their kids schooling if they can, Asians take great pains to do so even if not otherwise well off: immigrant parents will slave away 100 hours a week owning a convenience store in the ghetto to put their kids through undergrad and graduate/professional school debt free. Part of the idea is that their kids will take good care of them in their old age. But I wonder if some of them are going to be in for a rude awakening when some of their kids “Americanize” and decide they’d rather squander their money on themselves instead.


      December 30, 2015 at 12:16 am

      • There sure are quite a few exceptions but indians don’t believe in shipping their parents to old age homes. Different strokes for different folks. Why does it surprise u that parents would want to help their kids graduate without debt if they can help it. Or buy a condo. That’s just the way of the world.


        December 30, 2015 at 9:32 am

      • It surprises me because I would rather retire early than work longer just so my kid doesn’t have to take out loans or pay rent like I did.


        December 30, 2015 at 1:44 pm

    • The Asian SJW thing, at least by Japanese, is really annoying having lived among Asians who, on the whole, can’t stand anything African. I recall an anti-racism speech by a Japanese lady on MLK day when I was in law school (at a mainland school) and could only think of the slur Japanese in Hawaii would use for blacks, Popolo, which was used by them with impunity.


      December 30, 2015 at 4:00 pm

  28. Asians are micro-innovators, Europeans are macro-innovators. Asians didn’t invent TV, cars, computers, or any of the other major categories of technological advancements in the last century. But they can make incremental advances based on Western ideas. Sorry… 🙂 But I don’t really have a dog in this race.


    December 29, 2015 at 10:14 am

    • Hindus haven’t come up with much, besides numbers (including the concept of zero) and astronomy, which were later borrowed by the Muslims, who took credit for their inventions. Arabic numerals are really Hindu digits.

      East Asians gave us paper (via the Arabs) and gunpowder (which is questionable). On the scientific front, East Asians had nothing of significance to offer (the Muslims didn’t borrow anything “science” from them). Not even Confucius, was mentioned in their writings. But Hinduism and certain Sanskrit legends, were of interest to a few of Muhammad’s intellects.


      December 29, 2015 at 11:23 am

      • Hindu philosophy is formidable. There are more Sanskrit texts extant that ancient Latin or Greek. Thousands of pages of philosophy discussing the nature of reality, monotheism, and even atheism. Indian abstract mathematics also show deep advances. However Indians were stuck when it came to science and technology. You have Indian villages today that aren’t much different from the ones that existed 1000 years ago.


        December 29, 2015 at 1:53 pm

      • Yeah, this is nonsense. First (by a long shot) to develop advanced, engineered cities with aquaducts. Time for JS to do some historical reading.

        Viscount Douchenozzlé

        December 29, 2015 at 3:44 pm

      • The Chinese had no aqueducts, and no pipes for fresh water and sewage drainage. The Indians didn’t have these either. But their knowledge was brought to the West by the Muslims. The Chinese were just unremarkable all around. Chinese Philosophy? What is Confucianism?


        December 29, 2015 at 4:05 pm

      • “The Chinese had … no … sewage drainage.”

        I can’t comment on the other claims you made, but I was just searching for plumbing info when I happened upon this:


        December 29, 2015 at 9:05 pm

  29. Honestly, wouldn’t be against federal law and state laws that bans criteria such as “networking, shmoozing” from ALL promotions. It should be concrete factors like skill, seniority, etc.

    It’s no different than trying to ban colleges for accepting unqualified people under affirmative action. It’s time for unqualified people to NOT be promoted at work etiher.


    December 29, 2015 at 10:19 am

  30. When I was in the two-year traditional MBA program at the University of Florida, 20% of my class were F.O.B. Asians (Chinese, Taiwanese, and Indian), and mostly female. The Chinese spoke horrible English and many wondered how they got through the program (some classmates suspected they received “special” tutoring). I enjoyed a brief, illicit affair with an attractive, fairly westernized, adventurous,Taiwanese classmate while she was an ocean away from her German Duetsche Bank investment banker fiancee.

    Years before that I had a brief affair with a similarly-described Taiwnese dental student. She ended up marrying one of her White Stoney Brook dental professors.

    E. Rekshun

    December 29, 2015 at 11:42 am

    • Who dumped whom?


      December 29, 2015 at 12:45 pm

  31. Surprised that no one has mentioned this yet.

    The easiest explanation is the

    Dilbert principle, for a tech company you want your smartest guys to stay in engineering and be productive.

    Many people quickly realize that management is bullshit and all you do is assign work and work on reports and PowerPoint presentations, and sit in pointless meetings.

    In any high tech company you quickly run into a problem, there’s a guy that’s super friendly has a great resume but can’t code his way out of a paper bag.

    You can’t fire him due to hr rules and also the employee is so well liked that morale would be ruined. So what do you do?

    You have a sociable person who is technically incompetent who is well liked and has a bachelors or masters in engineering or programming.

    You are also afraid of hr being on your ass, how the hell do u explain to these hr monkeys that Bob can’t code despite having a masters in computer science? And now needs to be fired? Hr would instead blame you for not nurturing and training Bob. The hr monkeys don’t understand that there are people who can bs their way to a engineering degree by plugging and chugging equations without understanding anything, and that a comp sci degree does not show distinguish between good and bad programmers

    You promote him to management.

    The candidate’s that usually fit this criteria are non east Asian men.


    December 29, 2015 at 2:41 pm

    • “You can’t fire him due to hr rules and also the employee is so well liked that morale would be ruined. So what do you do?”

      What kind of company has an HR department that controls hiring/firing decisions? I worked at a major tech company (Google/Facebook/MSFT) and I know that HR people didn’t play any role in hiring and I can’t imagine that they would play a role in firing. Do you know a company where this is a factor?


      December 29, 2015 at 5:56 pm

      • The HR department in the company I used to work out would tell managers they need to hire more blacks and Hispanics. But I never personally hired anyone there so I don’t know how else HR was involved.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 29, 2015 at 7:27 pm

      • Any large engineering company like Siemens, ge, Intel, IBM etc…

        The firing process is

        A staff engineer needs to fill out a bunch of forms if he wants to get rid of a employee. Then he needs to inform his superiors such as director of human resources and director of engineering.

        He needs to explain why this employee needs to be fired and they go over the employees qualifications, employee work history, employee performance reviews.

        At the end of every year his director of engineering at some point usually yearly needs to report how many people left the company and for what regions.

        People leaving in general is considered bad by the higher ups so your director is going to fight to keep the numbers low.

        The hr and engineering directors are going to fight to try to keep their numbers as pretty as possible because something like this can stall their careers.

        They know that their management jobs don’t require anything other than manipulating numbers which is the only thing the c suite looks at.

        So they will try to promote him as a manager or transfer him somewhere else.

        If either the hr director or engineering director likes him or wants to keep him he is not going to get fired.

        The only exceptions are layoffs.

        In any of the engineering or programming divisions at many large companies there are going to be a significant number of employees barely pulling their weight. Hell there was a disabled engineer that was dumb as a pile of rocks, and slept for 2-3 hours a day snoring loudly in his cubicle that apparently was both unfireable and unpromotable that had been in his position for 30 years.

        In any large company the Dilbert principle and pointy haired boss bullshit exists.


        December 30, 2015 at 1:26 am

      • The HR department in the company I used to work out would tell managers they need to hire more blacks and Hispanics.

        Same thing at my employer and at past employers. It may not always be a direct, explicit order but it’s strongly suggested. Perhaps like other companies, the HR weenies at my employer must send a quarterly report to the federal EEOC describing the racial and gender make up of the work force and of recent hires. HR and management have never discussed this, but I found the reports on what HR thought was a protected drive. (Of course, HR at my employer is 100% White female and has been for thirty years; they’ve been able to exclude themselves from hiring any non-White females.)

        E. Rekshun

        December 30, 2015 at 11:51 am

  32. Here’s one Indian innovation where they’re way ahead of the West:

    Keeping clean and healthy with cow dung and urine

    Nedd Ludd

    December 29, 2015 at 2:42 pm

  33. Slightly O/T – Lion pondered why people dislike Jews, because they are harmless?

    White gentiles both the very smart ones and the WNs types, who dislike Jews will tell you this: Jews are notoriously value transference professionals, dealing with intangibles, and are underrepresented as craftsmen, makers, producers and creators of civilization.

    Sheldon Silver’s son-in-law is also indicted, for a ponzi scheme.


    December 29, 2015 at 5:49 pm

    • I don’t think that there are more Jewish white collar criminals, I just think that Jewish white-collar criminals are better at it because they have higher IQs.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 29, 2015 at 7:25 pm

      • They also get caught as frequently as gentiles, but their numbers are an over-represention. NYC has a very large percentage of Jews. Yet, Jews are not restaurateurs, artisanal bakers, gourmet experts, just value transference individuals who live the good life, at the expense of hardworking gentiles.


        December 30, 2015 at 12:31 pm

      • This is not true, Jews do all of those things. Although Jews are held back by the fact that traditional Jewish cooking sucks. Italians have a big advantage there.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 30, 2015 at 1:22 pm

      • Yakov might like this. Norm Abram is one of the few handful of Jewish craftsmen, who love working with their hands:


        December 30, 2015 at 12:45 pm

  34. They (the East Asians) should take it as a compliment. I enjoy reading the anti-Jewish crap that spews out of heartiste, amren, and stormfront because it’s barely veiled jealousy. The anti-Semites can’t stand the fact that White people are not at the top of the totem pole and they cannot stand the fact that at least some of the Jews got to the top by playing fair.


    December 30, 2015 at 12:04 am

  35. The government officially classifies Indians and Asians as Disadvantaged Minorities, in the same category as blacks and hispanics. Hasidic Jews are also in the same category.

    These “model minorities” are basically subsidized by the US taxpayer. That’s why you see so many of them running small, low-margin businesses. Thank the SBA for the privilege of doing so at whitey’s expense.

    If you have the right credit terms, then you can run any business at a profit. It’s like playing a video game. You advance by virtue of playing and, because there is no risk, there is no chance of ruining all that you worked for.

    You can then leverage that government-subsidized success into paying full-freight for college or buying condos for your kids.

    Just another example of how the government screws over whites.


    December 30, 2015 at 3:19 am

    • Yes, and Meriprolestan now has 2 main types of Whites at the extremes. The SWPL type who lives a parastic high life and the moocher trailer type, at the prole end. The real working White has been stripped of his craft.


      December 30, 2015 at 12:49 pm

  36. Lumping Japanese, Koreans and Chinese into a group called “Asians” makes as much sense as treating Italians, Swedes and Poles as a group called “Europeans”. The Americans stereotype of Asians seems to be a weird mix. Japanese are introverts, Chinese and Koreans are certainly less introverted than Scandinavians. Chinese can even be very aggressive. Chinese probably won’t do particularly well in US corporate environments because they are not good team players. Chinese tend to be more entrepreneurial, and usually put family loyalty above any loyalty to a corporation. A talented, ambitious Chinese businessperson will usually not stick around in middle management to move up the ranks. That is part of the reason Chinese have a hard time building successful chaebol style corporations along Japanese/Korean lines. You see this in Taiwan where sucessful companies tend to fragment once they reach a certain size.

    Peter Akuleyev

    December 30, 2015 at 4:19 pm

  37. Just some food for thought:

    According to this list, more East Asians account for more than four times the share of the world’s 1,400+ billionaires (313** vs 69).

    East Asians are at 22% of the world total (Northwestern Europeans are at 29%). Not too shabby, considering China is still growing.

    I realize your post was about E. Asians vs. S. Asian in the US, so this is only tangentially related. But still interesting.

    As for the question of why hasn’t East Asia produced great universities–I’d say it has. The relevant comparison isn’t with the UK or UK (which dominate in large part due to the primacy of English in scientific research, it’s with non-Anglosphere European countries.

    For example, according to the Center for World University rankings, Japan has 7 unis in the top 100. France and Germany–with a larger combined population–have only 6 (despite Germany’s key role in the second Industrial Revolution). South Korea has two, while Italy and Spain combined have none.

    East Asians pull their weight intellectually. If anything, Southern & Eastern Europe lag, despite all kinds of proximity to NW Europe.

    ** Nearly all East Asian, though I didn’t check every single name.


    December 31, 2015 at 9:26 am

  38. “The more beta the people, the more alpha the country.

    Sounds clever but it is not true. The Asians in the wars I listed were not beta. Read anything about the Japanese Army, or the PLA, or either Korean army, or the North Vietnamese army, and you will see that the men were fearless, courageous, ruthless, and personally violent. In a word, alpha. They were not armies of beta sheep.”

    Emphatically No, you are working with a schoolboy’s definition of “alpha” and “beta” . A fireman. a policeman, are archetypal betas. Betaness has nothing to do with timidity. It has to do with dependable, team player, etc.


    December 31, 2015 at 4:49 pm

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