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St. Elmo’s Fire, wow

Wow, just finished re-watching this movie. It’s better than I remembered. I laughed. I didn’t quite cry but I did experience strong feelings of bittersweet sentimentality. I must devote a few posts to analyzing this quintessential 80s movie.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

January 6, 2016 at 4:41 pm

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  1. Wendy, the girl who is in love with Rob Lowe, illustrates the Alpha/Beta divide very well.

    Jon Cutler, the guy who played the Beta, made his last movie appearance in 1987. He also played Zipper is NBC’s TV knock-off of Animal House.


    January 6, 2016 at 4:58 pm

  2. I find a lot of old films are better than I remember. I think that may partly because of the general decline in quality making the older stuff seem better, whereas at the time these films were being assessed by a higher standard because the other things you were watching were often better too.

    prolier than thou of the Schlongosphere

    January 6, 2016 at 5:15 pm

    • Agreed, especially if you adjust for CGI and unrealistically attractive characters. The fifties I’m not a fan of, for the acting was too wooden, but late 60s to 80s, was, in my opinion, the heyday.


      January 6, 2016 at 5:51 pm

  3. Another good one: Karate Kid

    Guido moves to LA where he gets bullied by BLONDE nazis!

    They remade it a few years ago where Jaden Smith goes to China and gets bullied by Chinese nazis!


    January 6, 2016 at 5:25 pm

    • Inreal life, Jaden’s character would be doing the bullying.


      January 6, 2016 at 5:51 pm

  4. Forget the movie, talk about the song! The 80s were a very optimistic time for some reason.


    January 6, 2016 at 5:27 pm

    • The reason isn’t a mystery: Reagan.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      January 6, 2016 at 5:36 pm

    • I dunno. I was at my peak sexual age and simultaneously terrified of getting AIDS (though it was generally known that men didn’t get it from women much, there was still a lot of uncertainty). I feel confident that I missed out on a lot action simply because of overblown disease paranoia.


      January 7, 2016 at 12:17 am

  5. Love that movie. Plus very HBD aware. Remember the Jewish girl who had Tikkun Olam and really wanted to help the black woman on welfare? The black woman on welfare laughed at the Jewish girl.


    January 6, 2016 at 5:33 pm

  6. Lion, go get laid

    A Reader

    January 6, 2016 at 6:00 pm

  7. You should watch Sixteen Candles next.

    A Reader

    January 6, 2016 at 6:20 pm

    • Now there’s a movie that would make SJW heads explode, and could never be made today. From the “Chinaman” stereotype to date rape, the easily offended of the 21st century would be triggered en masse.

      Even better is the virtual mansion Molly Ringwold’s family lives in, similar to the huge colonials in Hughes’ other films he wrote like Home Alone and Christmas Vacation. Even in the 80’s you were pretty well off to have such a home, and with today’s economy I could also see many being triggered by such 80’s opulence.


      January 6, 2016 at 7:40 pm

  8. I’m going to have to check it out.

    I remember having watched it some time before puberty, so I couldn’t exactly appreciate it.

    Even though the Jesuit administration refused to permit it to be filmed on campus, I’m looking forward to seeing the depiction of the social scene at my alma mater where I studied in the early 1990s.

    Hoya Saxa baby! (I still bow in my shame that I’m not HYPS material)

    I normally wouldn’t mention my alma mater, but we’re all anonymous here so does it count? I had an interesting experience last week. I met a young man who said that he lived in NJ, and so did I so I asked where exactly. He said Plainsboro. I asked what he was doing there. He responded that he went to college there. Now I know that it’s in Plainsboro is in Mercer County and the only college I know in Mercer County is Princeton University. So I asked him if he studied at Princeton. Yes he admitted… Sneaky bastard… Paul Fussel echoes… Real Ivy Class doesn’t boast… Keeping it discreet to the point of deception? That’s tough. I guess it’s easier for the Harvard kids to say they studied in the “Boston Area.” My tip for Princeton Alumni who want to keep their Tiger on the down low? Just say you studied in suburban NJ. That’s ordinary and boring enough that most nobody will ask further.

    Maybe we could discuss the St. Elmos Fire film through the lens of class consciousness that is one of the Lion’s strengths? I remember going off to college and noticing for the first time the gulfs between the social classes. Forget race; the real challenge was finding the common wavelength among the boarding school and trust fund kids, the eurotrash and the crown prince of Spain, the first and second generation white ethnic and Asian strivers, the scholarship kids from the Indian reservations and the basketball players from the ‘hood. That’s the real diversity and the real challenge.

    Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

    January 6, 2016 at 6:39 pm

    • Trenton State College was also in Mercer County.


      January 6, 2016 at 6:49 pm

      • Yeah so is Rider University, but it seemed unlikely that a guy who lived all over the country and world would study at a small not so famous college in a small town in NJ.

        Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

        January 6, 2016 at 8:12 pm

  9. Something about St. Elmo’s Fire reminds me of Metropolitan… the quaint notions about pre-marital sex.

    Now that marriage has been delayed until the mid-to late thirties for college educated strivers nobody actually realisitcally expects the darlings to remain chaste through graduate school.

    From what I can recall I remember finding the “square” “good-girl” character of Mare Winningham to be my type but I realized that even the sweet “good-girl” gets her tingles more from the cool and bad “frat-boy” and jocks.

    Perhaps another topic worth discussing, the Jesuits at Georgetown prohibit Greek social fraternities on campus. Even though they have plenty of class distinction and exclusion, they didn’t have that element of the Greek societies. I kind of wonder what life at a campus dominated by Greek life is like. Probably would have been culture shock.

    Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

    January 6, 2016 at 7:12 pm

    • Greek life depends on geography. In the South, the lifestyle comes down to three things: being white, going to mixers, and watching football. Each house has its own traits at different schools, so I can’t generalize. Some houses are known for being more class-driven, but fraternities and sororities don’t really self-advertise. Both insiders and outsiders can tell by looking at each other and infer that one’s lifestyle isn’t meant for the other. In short, think of the class distinctions in the Northeast, tempered, mellowed, and subdued by the climate. It’s no different than certain college sports teams like lacrosse attracting certain demographics.

      As for your time at Georgetown, I pity you. You should’ve gone to Notre Dame.


      January 6, 2016 at 9:12 pm

      • Interesting background on the greek life. “Both insiders and outsiders can tell by looking at each other and infer that one’s lifestyle isn’t meant for the other.” Genuine wisdom spoken.

        As far as Notre Dame… Visited the campus. Touchdown Jesus was nothing for me. I find collegiate athletics undermine academic climate. My second degree program at a small central European university made me appreciate that they leave athletics out of the university experience. During my time at Georgetown I could hardly appreciate John Thompson and the basketball team. Giving that little thug Allen Iverson a scholarship left me and many peers shaking our heads.

        If Notre Dame wasn’t for me, I only wonder how things would have been different if I had chosen a different path, say University of Chicago or West Point for example.

        Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

        January 7, 2016 at 1:53 am

    • “I kind of wonder what life at a campus dominated by Greek life is like.”

      I think it varies a lot from campus to campus. I attended a small liberal arts college with a Greek system where the Greeks were more extended social clubs than anything else. Most Greek parties were all campus and all the hazing and in-group stuff didn’t really happen much. Whereas, my observation of Greeks at large state schools is that the members really formed insular cliques. Having said that, there wasn’t much diversity at my entire college. Most people were from nearly the same demographic, white upper middle to upper class with a smattering of very rich.


      January 7, 2016 at 12:27 am

  10. I grew up in the 80’s, but have never seen the movie. It just never seemed like my cup of tea. After reading your reviews I might give it a shot.

    Raoul Duke

    January 7, 2016 at 9:06 pm

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