Lion of the Blogosphere

80s fashion in St. Elmo’s Fire, part 3


I love the wool sweaters!

Andie MacDowell is wearing a long below-the-hip Irish Aran fisherman’s sweater in the classic white/ivory color. A style of sweater seldom seen today in department stores, but I found one online.

Andie’s rich doctor boyfriend is wearing a raw umber colored crewneck sweater with a classic Nordic pattern including reindeer: another sweater style which has completely disappeared from retail stores. Today some people call them “ugly sweaters” but I disagree with the pejorative. Unfortunately, even if you find a reindeer sweater today, the reindeer are usually dominating and over-the-top, not subtle like Andie’s boyfriend is wearing. I searched the web and couldn’t find any sweater for sale that looks like that.

Ignore what Emilio Estevez is wearing. It’s a plot-related outfit.

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I also approve of the down ski jacket the doctor boyfriend is wearing. It’s very 80s.

There was also a comment about his tight jeans. That’s a leftover from the disco era, although tacky 70s “designer” jeans would be a much darker shade of indigo. I don’t approve of the tightness, but a return to the traditional faded blue color was a big improvement over the 70s. Good catch.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

January 7, 2016 at 8:56 am

Posted in Movies

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  1. Irish Aran fisherman’s sweater

    That’s an amazingly detailed description. How did you figure that out?


    January 7, 2016 at 9:01 am

    • Probably from a catalog description.


      January 7, 2016 at 10:18 am

      • Lion may have visited the Aran Islands; they have quite a rugged beauty. I recognized the sweater on sight because I’ve been there. They used to weave distinctive patterns for each fisherman in part because they would want to be able to identify men who died in storms and washed ashore.


        January 7, 2016 at 1:53 pm

  2. I still have my reindeer sweater and Irish sweater from the 1980s. Very durable!


    January 7, 2016 at 9:52 am

  3. we fashion blog now

    Marc KS

    January 7, 2016 at 9:53 am

  4. Nicely composed shot.

    Ahhhh, the nation was so nice when it was still 90% white people.


    January 7, 2016 at 10:41 am

    • Charlie Sheeny’s olda brotha was also in the Breakfast Club. No racial minorities, and no lezi-homo-trans-bi.


      January 7, 2016 at 2:32 pm

      • JS

        January 7, 2016 at 2:33 pm

      • Emelio Estevez is Hispanic. Of course back then, we didn’t know that people from Spain were not white.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 7, 2016 at 3:02 pm

      • Spaniards are “White”. After centuries of national unification and purging of Jewish/Muslim elements, Spaniards have become European and “White”. And Emilio is part “wonder bread White” from his mother’s side.


        January 7, 2016 at 3:09 pm

      • Doesn’t mean they aren’t Hispanic. Emilio Estevez is a white Hispanic, along with Charlie Sheen, Martin Sheen, Tom Hanks and Cameron Diaz.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 7, 2016 at 3:10 pm

      • Also, you had a few half-Jewish characters like Judd Nelson.


        January 7, 2016 at 3:13 pm

      • Estevez is probably 1/4 White Hispanic, because his father isn’t pure Spanish.

        “White” Hispanic is a complicated term for anyone in the Anglo-Prole-Sphere, that defines Whiteness in terms of racial purity and mostly of Northern Euro ancestry. NYC’s housing projects, those with a lot of Puerto Ricans, where quite a number of them, are passably “White” in terms of racial phenotype, and they might have a few drops of native or even black ancestry.

        Benecio del Toro, a native Puerto Rican, looks “White”, (more so than Johnny Depp), but doesn’t quite pass the test in Anglo-Sphere terms.


        January 7, 2016 at 3:32 pm

  5. The most noteworthy aspect of this pic is the rich doctor’s tight Levi’s. This was common among young str8 men in the early-mid’80s, but would get you tagged as gay now. Nowadays, str8 guys wear pants much looser than they need to be, just so people don’t get the wrong idea.

    Sid Storch

    January 7, 2016 at 12:24 pm

    • Not because it’s comfortable? If I had to wear pants that tight, I’d seriously consider kilts as an option.

      Half Canadian

      January 7, 2016 at 1:18 pm

    • It helps that a button on the fly of his 501s is undone.


      January 7, 2016 at 2:12 pm

      • I never saw this movie, but isn’t it interesting how old Estevez looks? Lion commented that these actors were closer to college age than the high school roles they played a few months earlier in Breakfast Club. I remember how awkward I felt watching Breakfast Club back in the day and realizing how immature I looked compared to the actors.

        In any case, at least in this still photo, Estevez looks 35-40 whereas Andie McDowell looks 17-20.

        The Shepherd

        January 9, 2016 at 5:34 pm

      • Five of the brat-packers were born in 1962 and were 22 or 23 when the movie was filmed. Rob Low was two years younger. Mare Winningham (not part of the Brat Pack) was three years older. So they are the right age to play recent college graduates and completely the wrong age to play high schoolers.

        Andie McDowell was born in 1958, so she’s actually 4 years older than Estevez, and playing a character three years older than him.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 9, 2016 at 6:02 pm

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