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Handshake vs. bro hug

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At the end of St. Elmo’s Fire, they are at a bus station and Rob Lowe shakes hands with each of his male friends before leaving for a new life in New York (and leaving behind his wife and baby).

If such an emotional moment happened today, the men would give each other bro hugs.

Before Andrew McCarthy shakes his hand, he says “forgive me for not getting intimate.” It’s as if he knew the future but wasn’t ready for it.

When did bro hugs become acceptable for heterosexual males? In fact, I thought it was a little off-putting that all they did was shake hands. I’m so used to seeing the bro hug under these circumstances that the mere handshake seemed kind of cold.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

January 7, 2016 at 5:25 pm

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  1. decent article by Kos (douchebag) about the factions within the GOP and why Trump is so dominant:

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/01/07/1466987/-This-is-why-no-other-Republican-can-beat-Donald-Trump-at-the-ballot-box

    Otis the Sweaty

    January 7, 2016 at 6:11 pm

  2. Perhaps it was done so not to offend Emilio?

    K.l. Asher

    January 7, 2016 at 6:16 pm

  3. I’m pretty sure the bro hug was a traditionally black greeting that passed into general youth culture.

    Camlost

    January 7, 2016 at 6:23 pm

    • “I’m pretty sure the bro hug was a traditionally black greeting that passed into general youth culture.”

      good one, i think you’re right.

      like the fist bump.

      like so many things.

      rivelino

      January 7, 2016 at 9:55 pm

      • I am a supporter of the fist bump. I hope for the day when it eclipses the handshake.

        Hands are filthy things. The least amount of touching them, the better.

        ibejeph

        January 8, 2016 at 11:45 am

    • It wasn’t even really “traditionally” black. It evolved in the late 80’s, into the 90’s, from what I remember. Then it quickly jumped over into the mainstream in the late 90’s. Old men my grandfather’s age, even my father’s age (boomers) didn’t do that.

      rdorsey

      January 8, 2016 at 9:58 am

  4. I’m not a huge fan of the bro-hug. Kinda gay. Our culture has gotten gayer over time.

    Hugs are for women, and I prefer the handshake. You can put emphasis on the shake if it’s a significant event.

    jjbees

    January 7, 2016 at 6:50 pm

    • The bro hug is a phony fad that may be just as short lived as the fist bump or the high five before it.

      SJWs complain about “cultural appropriation” of hallmarks of urban black life only when they may be interesting, intelligent or satirical. However for empty hackneyed gestures like these they are silent.

      Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

      January 7, 2016 at 7:18 pm

      • Grade school kids still do fist bumps.

        Tarl

        January 7, 2016 at 7:48 pm

    • Doing a bro hug with unrelated acquaintances to me always seemed as phony playacting as when I’m compelled to do a triple cheek air kiss with Europeans. I do these because they are socially prescribed and expected by my interlocutors from those cultures but it always seems empty and awkward to me.

      Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

      January 7, 2016 at 7:21 pm

  5. Cruz down to 3rd on Predictit. Birther thing taking a toll?

    Otis the Sweaty

    January 7, 2016 at 6:58 pm

    • If such an emotional moment happened today, the men would give each other bro hugs.

      What did they do in your high school days?

      Cruz down to 3rd on Predictit.

      Stop following the betting markets. They’ve been wrong for a year. Reuters often correctly anticipates the direction of candidate trends and they have Trump over 40%.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      January 7, 2016 at 7:42 pm

    • Is there a way to arbitrage the difference between Predictit and the UK betting sites?

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      January 7, 2016 at 7:50 pm

      • I think the answer is that, if there is, the profit is small. I’m not sure if the UK betting sites limit bet size, but PredictIt limits bets to $850, I believe. And the house is taking a cut on both sides, 10% on winning contracts on PredictIt, and on the UK sites, I think it’s baked into the odds (though maybe there’s another fee).

        Wency

        January 8, 2016 at 7:14 am

    • Is there a way to arbitrage the difference between Predictit and the UK betting sites?

      I have no idea. All I know is they’ve been wrong.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      January 7, 2016 at 8:37 pm

    • things we have to predict electoral success:

      1. polls
      2. endorsements
      3. fundraising
      4. betting markets
      5. crowd sizes

      obviously Trump isn’t even trying to do anything in fundraising and he is getting killed in endorsements. The experiences of Bernie Sanders, Howard Dean and Ron Paul have taught us that big crowds are essentially meaningless. So all we have to point towards a Trump nom are polls and betting markets.

      The better the polls, the better Trumps chances; and the same goes for the betting markets.

      As for Reuters, I believe they actually have him down from late December.

      Otis the Sweaty

      January 7, 2016 at 9:54 pm

      • The crowds of Sanders, Dean and Paul are nothing, NOTHING, like what Trump is getting.

        Andrew E.

        January 8, 2016 at 10:21 am

      • Sanders crowds were better than Trump’s. They have since died down but at Sander’s best he was getting bigger crowds.

        Obama got the biggest crowds in the history of primaries and he ended up winning fewer votes than Hillary.

        Otis the Sweaty

        January 8, 2016 at 11:30 am

      • Obama’s crowds were only possible because A-list musical acts (U2, Springsteen, etc.) were required to fill the venues with people who then stayed to listen to the Zero.

        Why do you think Trump is always saying at his rallies that he gets the biggest crowds of people without a guitar?

        Andrew E.

        January 8, 2016 at 12:07 pm

      • “The crowds of Sanders, Dean and Paul are nothing, NOTHING, like what Trump is getting.”

        Paul’s crowds were typically 3-4k, what is Trump getting? My googling suggests that Trump is getting about the same, with the exception of a huge Alabama rally.

        T

        January 8, 2016 at 12:29 pm

      • keep googling. I have followed politics some over the years and never remembered hearing about Paul’s “crowds”. I’m sure the people here who say he had impressive crowds are telling the truth. But Paul clearly was nothing like the cultural phenomenon that Trump is. As evidenced, in one case, by my not having any exposure to Paul’s campaigning in the mass media. By contrast, everyone is aware of what Trump is doing on a daily basis.

        Andrew E.

        January 8, 2016 at 1:04 pm

      • obviously Trump isn’t even trying to do anything in fundraising and he is getting killed in endorsements. The experiences of Bernie Sanders, Howard Dean and Ron Paul have taught us that big crowds are essentially meaningless.

        Endorsements mean nothing today and Sander’s poll numbers are stronger than Dean ever had in the early primary states.

        On the other hand Trump has both crowds and poll numbers to match. He leads everywhere except Iowa, which is neck and neck, and which he can afford to lose. A sane betting market would predict Trump as the likely nominee.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 8, 2016 at 7:30 pm

  6. “When did bro hugs become acceptable for heterosexual males?”

    They haven’t.

    Lion of the Turambar

    January 7, 2016 at 7:28 pm

    • I had Nets season tickets back when they played in my state, and before every game bro-hugs were exchanged.

      njguy73

      January 7, 2016 at 9:59 pm

  7. The bro hug works after a long night of drinking while the wives/girlfriends are away, or when saying goodbye to a close friend or relative who you don’t see very often. I normally stick to handshakes, though.

    TSMB called the bro hug a “fad” in an above comment. Perhaps, at least as frequently as you see it nowadays, but I’d argue that some men are still a little too uptight about touching each other. There’s nothing wrong with hugging any person who you feel close to.

    Robert

    January 7, 2016 at 7:33 pm

  8. Rob Lowe was in a hockey movie in the ’80s, playing a Gretzky-type of player, and there was a scene where, as part of a team initiation, he gets sodomized with the handle of a hockey stick. If that happened in a movie today, the rest of the movie would be about the criminal trial resulting from the incident, and the psychological trauma caused by it.

    Dave Pinsen

    January 7, 2016 at 7:34 pm

    • If you’re talking about “YOUNGBLOOD”, Rob Lowe wasn’t sodomized, that’s just wishful thinking on your part. Instead he was held down and had his balls shaved by his teammates in the most uncomfortable and homoerotic moment in a movie full of uncomfortable and homoerotic moments.

      The movie did co-star model/actress Cynthia Gibb, so there is that.

      Robert the Wise

      January 7, 2016 at 9:05 pm

      • It’s been almost 30 years since I saw it, so I may be conflating my memory of it with another sports movie hazing scene (Lucas?).

        Dave Pinsen

        January 7, 2016 at 11:36 pm

  9. Hey! Look! It’s Ally Sheedy! Remember Ally Sheedy, guys? Guys?

    And look! The lighting makes Demi Moore (that’s her in the background) look positively matronly.

    Robert the Wise

    January 7, 2016 at 9:02 pm

  10. Perhaps it’s creeping islamification. When my husband was in Morocco he had many a man place his head on his shoulder on long bus rides.

    Men were also holding hands left and right. He still speaks of it with disquietude.

    slithy toves

    January 7, 2016 at 9:47 pm

    • In Islamic countries, homosexuality is so deep in the closet that men are liberated to more freely express themselves without casting doubt about their heterosexualness.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      January 8, 2016 at 12:25 am

      • Homosexuality is a lot more prevalent in arab countries than anglo countries, ironically.

        Boyfucking is a national sport for them.

        jjbees

        January 8, 2016 at 12:28 am

  11. lion, did you like the movie, do you recommend it?

    btw, have you seen coherence? great movie, i think you would like it.

    rivelino

    January 7, 2016 at 9:54 pm

  12. In 1994 I bro hugged the big black guy next to me as Chris Webber blocked Shaq’s’ shot to seal a Warrior victory. That was my last.

    Sid Storch

    January 7, 2016 at 10:13 pm

  13. I hugged my dad once. I think that’s it.

    Curle

    January 7, 2016 at 11:01 pm

  14. I admire the way Martin Sheen pushed his kids ito acting. It’s been enormously beneficial for them.

    Clint Eastwood has done very little for his son.

    map

    January 7, 2016 at 11:12 pm

    • I don’t know about that. It seems that Clint is supportive of his son, Kyle’s jazz career.

      Kyle Eastwood’s music was the soundtrack (and a major highlight) of the documentary, Homme-less, which was my favorite film of 2015. It’s a documentary about the most well groomed homeless man in New York, and a rare film about the fashion business that’s not about one of the elite. I saw it at a theater. It’s now available on iTunes. A very “Class X” film.

      Christine

      January 8, 2016 at 11:21 am

  15. “When did bro hugs become acceptable for heterosexual males?”

    From what I recall, early-mid 2000s– 2003 give or take.

    anon

    January 8, 2016 at 1:59 am


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