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SWPL guilt about sending their kids to a white school

This “ethicist” column is in today’s NY Times:

My wife and I are an interracial couple living in Oakland, Calif. We are both first-generation college graduates for whom solid public-school educations made all the difference. We are struggling with choosing a public school for our son, who will enter kindergarten this year. State test scores came out recently, and our neighborhood public school, which is filled with some of the city’s poorest kids, scored very low. I have to believe there is something seriously wrong with how the school is educating kids. (Otherwise, the school, which we know fairly well through volunteering, seems perfectly fine.) My wife and I both work full-time and also care for her mother and disabled sibling, so we know that we can’t put in the kind of time that would be required to turn the school around. We also fear that we cannot teach our son enough outside school hours to make up for a significant deficit in his education.

This raises a serious ethical quandary for us: Do we let our neighborhood kids and our own values down by fleeing to a higher-testing public school in a richer part of the city? Or do we let our son down by sending him to the neighborhood school, which we fear will not put him on solid educational footing? My instinct is that our higher duty is to our son. But I am also painfully aware that this kind of my-kid-comes-first mentality is exactly what created poor urban schools to begin with. We will probably feel lousy no matter what we decide to do. But from a purely ethical standpoint, should our child’s education or our neighborhood and its kids come first? Name Withheld

You don’t owe it to all the other children in your neighborhood to give their interests the same weight as their parents do. Your special obligations are to your own child. You suggest that a my-kids-come-first mentality is what creates problem schools. But doesn’t it also make for some of the best schools? (And keep in mind that educational excellence needn’t be a zero-sum game.) There’s no recognizably human world where parents treat their own children the same as everyone else’s. This doesn’t license lack of concern for those other kids, and you’re right to worry that your dysfunctional neighborhood school is failing those it serves. But you can do something about that — through involvement in local and state politics, for example — without sacrificing your son. And what you owe is not heroic commitment, ‘‘turning the school around’’ by your own efforts. You owe only your fair share of the duties of an engaged local citizen. Like everyone else, you should provide your son with a good education if you can; the school may be perfectly fine in every other respect, but that doesn’t make up for the appalling results.

I assume that the man is black and the woman is white, but it could be that the man is white and the woman is Asian. There could be other possibilities here as well. But they behave like SWPLs even if technically one of them is not white.

Commenters on this blog can’t believe that SWPL types actually believe the crap they write about test scores.

“State test scores came out recently, and our neighborhood public school, which is filled with some of the city’s poorest kids, scored very low. I have to believe there is something seriously wrong with how the school is educating kids. (Otherwise, the school, which we know fairly well through volunteering, seems perfectly fine.)”

Don’t they know that the teachers are no different than the teachers at “better” schools? They are all just city employees with the exact same qualifications, except some are luckier to get into schools where the children are white or Asian instead of black or Hispanic.

They may, in fact, not realize that. Humans are very good at deceiving themselves and thinking illogically. If you tried to correct them and teach them to see the world the way it is, they might just get pissed at you and call you a racist.

The ethicist (Kwame Anthony Appiah, who is half Ghanaian and half white from the U.K.) says they don’t have to feel guilty about sending their kid to a “better” (translation: white) school. As long as they are “involved in local and state politics” (translation: they vote for Democrats) and partake of their “fair share of the duties of an engaged local citizen” (translation: occasionally donate some money to liberal charities), then it’s OK to send their children to a school in a white neighborhood.

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One has to give Jimmy Carter credit for actually doing as he preached and sending Amy to the local DC public school. (Although unlike most white kids in that situation, she had Secret Service protection.)

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

January 10, 2016 at 12:53 pm

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  1. “There could be other possibilities here as well.”

    You mean like the possibility that the letters to the so-called ethicist are not 100% genuine? And that on a slow day the NYT staff has to embellish or even make up entirely phony “letters” so that the allotted column-inches get filled?

    Sgt. Joe Friday

    January 10, 2016 at 1:06 pm

    • Yes. I say the couple in this NYT “ethicist” column is the extremely rare WM/BF pair. In fact, it’s so rare that it’s a solid clue that this column is a complete fraud.

      E. Rekshun

      January 10, 2016 at 3:02 pm

      • In that case it says something about the ethicist’s morals, as well as why he thinks it’s necessary to add that unusual fact to the fake email/letter.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 10, 2016 at 3:09 pm

      • The “Ethicist” needs ethics training. My employer regularly requires it.

        E. Rekshun

        January 10, 2016 at 4:07 pm

      • I was thinking WM too.
        The wife has managed to move the mother and disabled sister on to the payroll too, and I dont think that is something a BM would stand for.

        “I have to believe there is something seriously wrong with how the school is educating kids.”

        Thats the kind of cluelesness I’d expect from a Oakland skiny jeans WM.

        Lion of the Turambar

        January 11, 2016 at 8:21 am

      • David Bowie + Iman were one of those rare WM+BF pairings

        E. Rekshun

        January 11, 2016 at 5:50 pm

    • I’ve often wondered if most of these letters are made up. I also wonder that about the idiots who write to Dan Savage.

      Kwame Anthony Appiah is gay, by the way.


      January 10, 2016 at 11:07 pm

  2. Howard Stern’s well known story:

    “In the late 1960s, Roosevelt became a predominantly black area; Stern remembered just “a handful of white kids left” in his school[19] and was beaten numerous times by black pupils.”

    I suppose if SWPLs want to be dumb enough to sacrifice their children to the greater good of giving go-nowhere goof-offs someone to pick on, good for them. Of course, their children will hate them when they grow up. I attended three heavily multi-racial schools growing up where whites were either 50/50 or in the minority. One Asian majority (good school), one Asian-Pacific Islander (not good, the smart Asians had fled and the PIs were lazy and dull) and one 50% black school (a complete clown show — I was there due to busing). After white flight the black school reverted to norm and was closed two years ago as a consequence of being one of the bottom 5% performing schools in the state year after year.


    January 10, 2016 at 1:28 pm

    • In 1993 I had a chance meeting with a big black guy who’d gone to a rival high school in SF in the 70s. I was at the white/asian academic school, while he went to a “neighborhood” school which through busing became 40% black. He said to me, “you’re lucky you didn’t go to [my school] man, you wouldn’t have lasted a week.” I couldn’t believe he was boasting about how racist he and his friends were.


      January 10, 2016 at 4:59 pm

      • Black people get taught that ridiculous definition of racism where you have to have “power” to be racist, therefore only white people can be racist.


        January 10, 2016 at 5:52 pm

      • Black people get taught that ridiculous definition of racism where you have to have “power” to be racist, therefore only white people can be racist.

        Well, they’re kinda right aren’t they? But with they mean by “have power” is really “have competence”.


        January 10, 2016 at 6:22 pm

      • Blacks don’t believe that crap about racism being prejudice plus power. They just say that because they know they’re racist and it’s a convenient deflection.


        January 10, 2016 at 10:22 pm

      • It sounds like he’s just being realistic and teasing you at the same time. Same in NZ, non-whites are far more comfortable joking about race.

        We also get the same thinking as exhibited in the letter above, that some schools must just have bad teachers or facilities that are failing certain students.


        January 11, 2016 at 12:00 am

      • You should have replied that he was lucky – he wouldn’t have lasted even a day at your school. First math class and he’d be humiliated,

        Graf von Jung

        January 12, 2016 at 10:48 am

    • Of course, their children will hate them when they grow up.

      Howard Stern doesn’t hate his parents. He seems as upset with his mother for using rectal thermometers as he is for not moving from Roosevelt

      Lloyd Llewellyn

      January 10, 2016 at 8:28 pm

    • Curle, not trying to jump down your throat here, but how can you say “good for them when you’re openly admitting that these parents are sacrificing (your word) their children? Isn’t this the worst thing a parent can do, even if they are showing intellectual consistency by doing it? And isn’t the problem with this sacrifice the poor education (and hence, the expected poor life outcome that accompanies it) that their children will endure? Children are not likely to hate their parents even if they get sent to a bad school. And their tenure as students in that school is only a few years. The poor life outcome would follow them for decades.

      The point is that parents need to do what is best for their own children because their own children are the ones they are capable of having a major influence over. One of the ancient Greek philosophers/thinkers said something to the effect that a society that tires to get us to love all children equally and not favor our own will end up causing us to not really love any children at all.


      January 10, 2016 at 9:02 pm

      • tries, not “tires”


        January 10, 2016 at 10:16 pm

      • Being successful in America’s system of capitalism of consumption and material goods is what one refers as a good outcome.


        January 10, 2016 at 10:20 pm

      • All excellent points MaryK. I was being a little flippant. I guess if they want to screw up their kids in favor of some childish ideal, I guess they’ve a right to do so. It will only make it easier for the parents who aren’t so idealistically inclined to move their children ahead.

        For me, recalling the boring classes where my 4th grade teacher struggled to teach my new classmates of a different race the introductory basics of reading, basics the white kids had mastered more than three years prior, I determined at that early age that, contrary to my previous notions, adults might be crazy. That lesson has only been reinforced with greater emphasis in the intervening years at least in any topic touching on race.


        January 11, 2016 at 12:48 am

      • @maryk
        That depends. Abraham’s willingness to sacrifice his son is considered his supreme achievement and the highest level of devotion. So it depends on the context.

        I don’t really understand why anyone pays attention to NYT? I don’t recollect anyone I’d known reading Pravda in the USSR.


        January 11, 2016 at 7:11 am

      • NYT is elitist, and elitists set our tone of what has status or not!


        January 11, 2016 at 1:18 pm

      • MaryK: Your beloved guido, fatso Chris Christie, has decided on a new career, when he steps down as the governor of Joisey. Not presidential spot. I hear they need a Jackie Gleason look-a-like for a modern version of the Honeymooners.


        January 11, 2016 at 2:18 pm

      • @JS

        You have a point. Maybe the reason for NOT reading Pravda also had to do with status signaling? I don’t know because I don’t care about this nonsense. I read ‘Soviet Sport’ and that was the lowest status paper, but no paper had more interesting and useful information, or at least this is what I think.

        When Bella Ahmadulina was asked at a university entrance exam if she read Pravda, she answered: ‘Never’, and didn’t get in. You should know that she had full stadiums at her poetry recitals by the age of 17. So there was definitely some status signaling, I guess. I’m sure she’d never read ‘Soviet Sport’ either, but I don’t care. I love her verse and I love ‘Soviet Sport’ and I ain’t trying to impress anyone or signal status that I don’t have. These are two different things, but they are not mutually exclusive. Like you have a bird and a fish, but also a flying fish and a swimming bird, understand?


        January 11, 2016 at 3:52 pm

    • Dr Aric Sigman recounts a similar experience to Stern’s story in his book ‘New Improved?’. Sigman noted that black guys who slept with white women at the school were referred to as “pig f8ckers”.


      January 10, 2016 at 11:54 pm

  3. we know that we can’t put in the kind of time that would be required to turn the school around

    LMAO. An infinite amount of time and money could not turn that school around.

    It is not my kid’s job to raise up the other kids by his presence and example. And that’s even leaving aside the fact that the poor minority kids would remain stupid, lazy, and incapable even if my son was there to provide a positive example (or whatever it is that white kids are supposed to do for minority kids).


    January 10, 2016 at 1:45 pm

    • I was going to comment on that sentence but you beat me to it!

      Apparently they don’t have the free time required to run their own eugenics program.


      January 10, 2016 at 2:47 pm

  4. Yes, those SWPL people really ARE that delusional about genetic differences. They sincerely believe that a classroom full of little black kids can do JUST AS WELL as a classroom full of little white kids IF ONLY they had the magical teacher unicorns that somehow only appear in predominantly white schools. The more politically engaged ones (i.e. the bigger crackpots) will even put it down to a deliberate racist conspiracy. Like they test all the teachers and the bad ones get sent to the NAM schools. Take that, NAMs! The racist white man is gonna keep you down! (As if there were all that many white men in charge of school systems these days.)

    There is really no bottom to the stupid gullibility of white people in America (and, of course, in Europe, as current events make amply clear).


    January 10, 2016 at 1:47 pm

    • A couple of the more politically engaged ones that I know are actually sending their kids to majority NAM schools. Or rather, one family already does and the other almost certainly will. I guess I have to give them credit for walking the walk, but it’ll be fun to see what happens once their kids hit middle school and black kids start beating them up.

      These people are steeped in white privilege theory and they really believe in that stuff. To their credit, they aren’t especially hateful or judgmental people. They’re my friends, after all, and I make little effort to hide my views. I wouldn’t call them SJWs simply because they are actually tolerant of people who disagree with them, but they’re absolutely certain that they hold the intellectual and moral highground, and they don’t have much time or attention for dissenting views.

      They really believe in this stuff. It’s strange, although understandable if you recognize that most people believe the things that they believe for social reasons.


      January 10, 2016 at 5:00 pm

      • SWPL = Sorry White Privileged Loser?

        In a fantasy world, proles awakened and emulate SWPLs and so do the NAMs (which many top tier college educated blacks try to do: they live the SWPL lifestyle). Every person wants to engage in fake make work, you’ll find a scenario similar to academia, where only a select few would make money as a tenured professor, due to an over-saturation of candidates.

        I hope NAMs will start demanding that the elites give them jobs, otherwise only afforded to their children!


        January 10, 2016 at 8:04 pm

    • Yes, most SWPLs really want to believe that if you change the expectations black kids will miraculously catch up. Never attribute to evil what you can attribute to incompetence and gullibility.

      Peter Akuleyev

      January 12, 2016 at 3:04 am

  5. I don’t think the couple is WM/AF because couples of that sort don’t usually consider themselves interracial. Somehow it wouldn’t surprise me if this is a rare example of a WM/BF couple.



    January 10, 2016 at 2:05 pm

    • Reading the letter struck me as WM/BF as well. Or at least a WM was writing the letter.


      January 10, 2016 at 2:57 pm

    • Nah, having a half black child is the ultimate badge of honor for any white liberal. If this child was half black they’d be bragging about it, to give extra poignancy to their “dilemma”.


      January 10, 2016 at 4:11 pm

  6. I have to believe there is something seriously wrong with how the school is educating kids.

    Bad teachers or bad students.

    we know that we can’t put in the kind of time that would be required to turn the school around

    Then get your check book out.

    @LotB: Don’t they know that the teachers are no different than the teachers at “better” schools? They are all just city employees with the exact same qualifications, except some are luckier to get into schools where the children are white or Asian instead of black or Hispanic.


    @Sgt. Joe Friday: the possibility that the letters to the so-called ethicist are not 100% genuine? And that on a slow day the NYT staff has to embellish or even make up entirely phony “letters” so that the allotted column-inches get filled

    Good point; true.

    E. Rekshun

    January 10, 2016 at 2:57 pm

  7. SWPL guilt about sending their kids to a white school

    Is there a reason it has to be a white school? Why can’t one of California’s many, many, supermajority Asian public schools be sufficient?

    The Undiscovered Jew

    January 10, 2016 at 3:12 pm

  8. We will probably feel lousy no matter what we decide to do.

    Keep this in mind whenever some lefty wants you to do something, avoid Walmart or vote for a minority or eat kale or whatever. They will never be satisfied, never be happy, so do what you want, what makes sense for your own interests and desires, not somebody else’s, and definitely not for some pinko’s!


    January 10, 2016 at 3:20 pm

  9. “Commenters on this blog can’t believe that SWPL types actually believe the crap they write about test scores.”

    Some liberals believe it while others don’t. A liberal once told me that he knew people weren’t equal. That some people were smarter and less prone to crime than others. But he and his children were successful. And they’d never have to live in those neighborhoods or attend those schools. So it was worth it to him to maintain his “liberal sensibilities”. He actually said that almost word for word.

    There are two kinds of liberals — Those who’d deliberately subject themselves and their own children. And those who live in gated communities and send their children to private schools. What distinguishes the first type is that they literally have no preference for their own people, families, children, etc. The second type does. But they think they’re so much better than everyone else that integration is for other families and children. Not for elitists such as themselves.


    January 10, 2016 at 4:13 pm

    • The latter liberal is the dangerous one. They are pure machiavellian evil. They *know* exactly what they are doing.

      They are the ones with power and who deliberately flood us with the Third World for their profit and at our expense. And then the rich good-whites have the nerve to call the middle-class bad-whites racists because all the bad-whites forced bending-over-backward for the NAMs still hasn’t made the NAMs happy.

      Meanwhile, the rich good-whites build their gates higher and only intermingle with whites. . .


      January 11, 2016 at 12:34 pm

  10. Speaking of interracial, as I read this post at a famous San Francisco waterfront bar/restaurant there’s a black guy/pretty blond woman pairing near me. She kinda looks like the 40 year-old Teri Garr. As we all know, usually in this situation the woman is fat or ugly.


    January 10, 2016 at 4:50 pm

  11. What did Amy Carter end up doing anyway? Investment Banker?


    January 10, 2016 at 5:04 pm

  12. The low scoring school probably does provide a worse education, because they’re forced to tailor the curriculum to the low scoring students. From what I hear, the low scoring school in my district spends all its time on remedial math and literacy. This is a K-8 school, and the curriculum never advances past what you would expect in second grade. If you send your kid there, you would have to home school them at night.

    As for whether they’re doing the best they can given the kids they are working with, I seriously doubt it. My kids’ high scoring school uses an absurd trendy curriculum (e.g. all that Common Core math everyone hates), such that a significant amount of home schooling is required in certain subjects even there.


    January 10, 2016 at 5:25 pm

    • Correct, since there’s no tracking, your smart kid will be placed with 85-IQ kids and the teacher can’t possibly teach much for the 115+ IQ kid (who is already doing well and doesn’t need any help anyway compared to the other students). But that’s not the fault of the teacher.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      January 10, 2016 at 5:46 pm

      • “Correct, since there’s no tracking, your smart kid will be placed with 85-IQ kids…”

        Having experienced something similar as a teenager, I can attest that that is socially disastrous and makes the smarter kids want to throttle the less intelligent ones. No one really minds someone being dimmer, but when you’ve been ready to move on for three days now, and the (absolute sweetheart) next to you still can’t get the basics and clearly needs another year…

        That said, having been on both ends of the spectrum, I’m not sure it made all that much difference to my test scores.


        January 10, 2016 at 11:18 pm

      • The 115+ IQ students are more intelligent than nearly all public school teachers. In most large school districts, something like half the teachers (and more than half the NAM teachers) fail the state teacher exams over and over.

        E. Rekshun

        January 11, 2016 at 10:45 am

    • My sense is that extremely bright children will teach themselves even when resources and excellent teachers aren’t laid at their feet.

      For instance I homeschooled my oldest grades K-9 but for the last 2 years of that he really had no instruction or guidance. I tried but he wasn’t interested. He played a lot of strategy games, ignored me, and read a lot.

      He then entered high school as a sophomore and has been an honors student with perfect regents scores. Believe me, this had nothing to do with how or what I taught him, because i really didn’t. I’d hand him a stack of Scientific American and wish him luck.

      As for the SWPL cognitive dissonance, the vast majority will not sacrifice their own children yet they probably do believe in blank slatism nevertheless. I’m not a liberal but not until I happened upon HBD blogs did it occur to me that the reason the black kids were in the single digit percentiles on standardized tests, while my children were in the 99th percentile- despite being in the same school- might be due to inherent IQ differences. Suddenly it all made sense. But if this kind of abstraction was a leap outside the box for me, imagine what it is for the diehard progressives whose identities are wrapped up in pathological egalitarianism, or at least giving lip service to it.

      slithy toves

      January 10, 2016 at 6:41 pm

      • Our pathological egalitarianism is more of hypocritical grandstanding coming from our pathological elitism combined with ruthless capitalism, at the expense of the White middle class.

        You being a Staten Island Resident, might have some inking as to what goes on in Manhattan, especially with real estate, which pertains to income inequality, but it goes beyond this disparity where outer boroughs are of no importance in the grander scheme of things. NYC is beyond insignificant, when it comes to the other boroughs (with the exception of tiny SWPL Brooklyn).

        How does a housing complex in Manhattan which were pretty well maintained during the hellish eras of the 70s and 80s, with a healthy White middle class demographic, becomes a victim of Wall St greed, gamble and mismanagement?

        Many from the middle class and perhaps those of the upper middle class will feel the pinch, when a zero game produces a few winners and leave all the losers without a shirt and underwear. They’ll wish for a form of mix-socialism afforded to their White Euro counterparts.

        I do not find the kind of insanity, shallow status signaling and outrageous housing costs in a place such as Montreal, that one finds in Manhattan, NYC and greater America in general.


        January 10, 2016 at 9:11 pm

    • “The low scoring school probably does provide a worse education, because they’re forced to tailor the curriculum to the low scoring students.”

      Not quite. The low scoring school probably does a good job at what it’s trying to do – i.e., educate a student body with a lower average IQ, what other races would consider discipline problems, as well as having to essentially warehouse a not insignificant number of said body.

      And I can’t snark at them. There’s no reason that there would be a one-size-fits-all solution for everyone because…wait for it…people be different.

      Also, what’s with the arrogance of white and/or middle class parents (pretending to?) believe that their special snowflakes are so precious they’ll not only raise the average score but, with their magical powers of whiteness, somehow, I dunno, “fix” whatever’s causing the lower scores?


      January 10, 2016 at 11:12 pm

      • I doubt that the low scoring school is doing a good job, because the high scoring school is doing a pretty bad job. For instance, our school district has bought into the idea that you shouldn’t teach kids to add and subtract with carrying or borrowing, because this would kill their creativity. The kid should craft a unique approach to every problem.

        In my kids’ school, the students struggle with basic addition and subtraction until their parents sit them down and teach them to carry and borrow, and then they do well on standardized tests and are allowed to advance. I don’t know what goes on in the low scoring school. It could very well be that the parents rely on the teachers, and the teachers are true believers in the curriculum, and nobody is seriously teaching the kids basic arithmetic.

        Or maybe not, I don’t know. But I would not rule it out, given the mess in my kids’ school.


        January 11, 2016 at 11:53 pm

  13. Just to add to my earlier comment: Ann Landers and Dear Abby used to be accused of authoring their own letters, or at least embellishing letters sent to them. Of course, they vigorously denied this.

    I would gather that there is a fair amount of overlap between the readership of this site and Ron Unz’ site, especially Steve Sailer’s blog. Next time you visit Unz, check out “Ask a Mexican,” penned by Gustavo Arellano. It’s clear that Gus writes letters to himself, and I’d bet that the practice is much more widespread than most people imagine.

    Sgt. Joe Friday

    January 10, 2016 at 5:28 pm

    • Those “letters” for Gustavo Arellano are obviously fake. How many true letters from the public could an idiot like that actually get?

      I might actually believe in the authenticity of this letter to the ethnicist at the NYT. They probably do get thousands of letters and can cherry pick for the ones that are most sanitized and/or easy to re-edit to get the content they want.


      January 10, 2016 at 6:50 pm

  14. Maybe times have changed, but I don’t quite get all the worries about sending one’s children to school that aren’t almost 100% lily white. My high school in Connecticut was about 55% white (mostly prole), 25% Puerto Rican and 20% black. For the most part the groups kept to themselves, with little racial tension.



    January 10, 2016 at 5:58 pm

    • Times are very different now. Every public school I attended in the coastal South was a minimum of 50% black (until Senior year of HS when the dropout rate disparity finally kicked in fully).

      Back then every ethnic group behaved fairly well, but I wouldn’t want my kids to attend those schools today.


      January 10, 2016 at 7:40 pm

    • Maybe times have changed, but I don’t quite get all the worries about sending one’s children to school that aren’t almost 100% lily white. My high school in Connecticut was about 55% white (mostly prole), 25% Puerto Rican and 20% black. For the most part the groups kept to themselves, with little racial tension

      I don’t quite get why white students need to go to school with any racial minority children at all if they’re just going to self segregate anyway. I also don’t see what the point of them having citizenship is – couldn’t we achieve true self-segregation by returning blacks and Puerto Ricans to their ancestral homeland of Africa?

      The Undiscovered Jew

      January 10, 2016 at 10:25 pm

    • I never knew there were so many Mexicans at my school until years later when I looked up my old class. was the 60s and we were tracked, and I was in accelerated classes. I was too lost in my own little world to notice all those other kids who went to different classes.

      Mrs Stitch

      January 11, 2016 at 1:28 pm

  15. or has mental health issues/drug habits.


    January 10, 2016 at 6:01 pm

  16. Did the teachers at Stuyvesant pat themselves on the back, believing that they were somehow responsible for the extraordinary success of the school’s students?


    January 10, 2016 at 6:53 pm

    • No, they didn’t.

      McCourt, for example, taught at a black school before he taught at Stuy.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      January 10, 2016 at 7:20 pm

      • Someone here made a comment that White students avoid Asian majority schools, because East Asians are hyper-competitive grinds. But in reality, many White families look down on them and would not send their children in those schools, because Asians lack social finesse and are perceived as uncool.

        Asians would be happy to know that academic inclined black families would not mind sending their kids to Asian schools. There was a story about a few black immigrant families sending their children to a public school in NYC’s Chinatown, because they wanted their children to be with other studious children. A very old NYT article. I don’t know if this still holds true today.


        January 10, 2016 at 10:10 pm

      • The author of that old NYT piece is now some sort of executive at a Chinese travel company:

        YILU ZHAO

        BEIJING, March 25, 2014 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) — Qunar Cayman Islands Limited (Nasdaq:QUNR) (“Qunar” or the “Company”), China’s leading search-based travel commerce platform, today announced the appointment of Ms. Yilu Zhao as the Company’s Chief Strategy Officer, effective March 25, 2014. She will be responsible for leading capital markets activities, investor relations and mergers and acquisitions.

        Prior to joining Qunar, Yilu was an Executive Director at the Investment Banking Division of Goldman Sachs, where she developed key client relationships and led the execution of many important transactions. Previously, Yilu was an award winning reporter with The New York Times based in its U.S. headquarters. She received her B.A. from Yale University and J.D. from Harvard Law School.

        “We are extremely thrilled to have Yilu join the Qunar team,” said Chenchao “CC” Zhuang, Chief Executive Officer and Co-founder of Qunar. “We are committed to providing superior user experiences and creating long-term shareholder value, and we look forward to Yilu playing a critical role in driving this vision as we expand aggressively in the years ahead.”

        The Shepherd

        January 11, 2016 at 11:21 am

  17. Oh come on. Embrace the racism. Its magical. White people can keep blacks they’ve never met down and out without even conscious thought. Just a tiny microaggression can completely destroy an entire black community and keep them in poverty forever. Its amazing. These blacks should bow down and ask us to bless them or they will surely be crushed by the institutional racism built into the architecture of society. Bow low sambo! We the Great White Gods can kill you all and keep you powerless just by implying something you can’t even explain.

    Joshua Sinistar

    January 10, 2016 at 7:29 pm

  18. I’m going to disagree here with the leftists and the fatalists. Teachers do matter, just not as much as the inherent IQs of the students. Between the best public school and the worst public school, there is a huge gap in the quality of the student populations…but there is also a noticeable gap in the quality of the teacher populations. Around where I live, the crappy teachers (and the inexperienced ones) generally start out in the prole schools. If they can demonstrate that they can be good teachers then they can get accepted to teach in the good public schools, or at a private school.


    January 10, 2016 at 9:30 pm

  19. And does anyone remember Obama at the “anti-poverty” education summit last year where he kept lamenting people (i.e. white folks) sending their kids to private school where they learned “anti-government ideology” and causing the poor to have “less opportunity”?

    See article and video here:

    And we all know that neither Obama, nor Sashia nor Malia have ever attended a day of public school.

    I don’t know how many Americans understand that Obama is a regionalist at the core, meaning that he would gladly fold all suburban school districts into large, quasi-federalised administrative units where the central leadership could be sure that “shared taxes” would be allocated correctly (i.e. continually funneled to Democratic areas) Regionalism is a key tenet of community organizing. Thankfully Obama will never get close to being able to accomplish any Regionalist goals before leaving office.


    January 10, 2016 at 10:41 pm

    • Well, this is one of the wonderful perversities of America, isn’t it? I mean, among a certain class of people it has now become acceptable to repeat some sort of SWPL rhetoric without having any intention of following through on it. Of course Obama would never send his kids to public school, he is just offering up a bit of politically correct pabulum for the media to regurgitate. And this is understood by both parties.

      I was genuinely surprised reading some of the comments here that there are readers who actually know SWPLs who send their children to majority NAM schools. I didn’t know that such things actually took place, that there is a class of people who actually believe the rhetoric in the real sense, who back their words with actions.

      I attended a largely white, Irish and Italian Catholic, Ashkenazi and WASP suburban elementary school that was also integrated. The consequences were rather interesting, as I sat next to this gentleman in fourth grade:

      The Shepherd

      January 11, 2016 at 11:35 am

      • I know SWPLs who took their kids out of a majority-NAM (mostly Hispanic) school… in order to put them in a Spanish immersion program in a majority-NAM (mostly Hispanic) school. Don’t ask me how that made sense. If you wanted your kids immersed in the Spanish language and culture, ya coulda just left them where they were.

        There must be some special magic about that Spanish immersion program because the local SWPLs love it, praise it to the skies, and eagerly enroll their kids in it.


        January 11, 2016 at 1:46 pm

      • SWPLs will never send their kids to Asian majority schools, despite their love for sushi. Park Slope, Brooklyn, a bastion for SWPLdom, has a sushi restaurant in every street block, so it seems!

        I’ll give it to them. SWPL elitists win in this game, because they manipulate and exploit what is advantageous to their situation or senses.


        January 11, 2016 at 9:40 pm

      • By the way, A Spanish immersion program with Mestizo Hispanics at the public schools would be “doable”. Try learning Spanish in a NYC school with Caribbean Hispanics consisting of Dominicans and Puerto Ricans. It would be cafre!


        January 12, 2016 at 12:48 pm

  20. Lion — Have you ever thought of yourself as a middle class person in Manhattan?

    In the article, it seems like people who live in rent stabilized or rent controlled units are in a more enviable position than those who own million dollar condos!


    January 10, 2016 at 10:42 pm

    • From that article:

      It’s great to be a tenured professor at Columbia or NYU for those who want to self actualize in academia, especially in Maanhatan:

      The average tenured university professor at New York University or Columbia makes more than $180,000 a year, according to a 2012 survey by The Chronicle of Higher Education. Sweetening the deal for those looking to buy, N.Y.U. has offered mortgage assistance and discounted loans, while qualified Columbia faculty are eligible for a subsidy of up to $40,000 a year. Some faculty members benefit from university housing that rents well below the market rate, in prime locations on the Upper West Side and in Greenwich Village.

      Maya Tolstoy, an associate professor at Columbia and a marine geophysicist who studies seafloor earthquakes, lives with her 9-year-old son in a small two-bedroom apartment in a doorman building on Riverside Drive. Because her building is owned by Columbia, her rent, about $1,800 a month, is manageable on an associate professor’s salary, which averages about $125,000. A similar market-rate apartment on the Upper West Side costs about $6,000 a month, according to a monthly report compiled by MNS, a brokerage firm.

      “I think it’s much tougher for people with my income to survive in Manhattan without subsidized housing,” she said. “I am very lucky to have it.”


      January 10, 2016 at 10:47 pm

      • Of course, when my brother in law was a physics professor at Columbia he lived a very nice subsidised apartment no worse then my friend an auto mechanic, who gets paid in cash and lives in a section 8 apartment. Both have vacation homes too. It’s a good life, but you got to be able to have it. In between is where it gets tough.


        January 11, 2016 at 7:24 am

      • Congratulations Yakov!

        You finally got out of your usual prole mode for a moment!

        That NYT article has hundreds of comments written by local proles in denial that status is what drives our country, especially in NYC, with its Manhattan centric views. Some of them were defending that their claim of Bay Ridge and Sheepshead Bay, is as worthy as the Greenwich Village. When proles finally realize that their one horse towns have been the key component for their lack of status and the lack of concern by the elites, where they write to their politicos encouraging businesses to invest and revitalize in their hoods, then we can move forward.


        January 11, 2016 at 12:40 pm

      • @JS

        If you are not status driven, then it’s true for you. Maybe this is how it’s for these proles. I’m not following all this talk about status. What status? I fixed a couple of furnaces today so do I have status socially because of it? No. Do I not have status because of it? No. Then, again, maybe I do or I don’t, but I don’t know and don’t care. Why anybody cares? Status is complete nonsense. Like what? Say, Prince Harry, he isn’t a prole right? But he engages in sex orgies, so he has status now? He isn’t prole, he is royalty, right? Gonna be the king of England, right? He has no status, if you ask me. Bolsheviks did good when the executed that good for nothing royal family. Enough sucking people’s blood already!


        January 11, 2016 at 5:17 pm

      • A lot of those proles were saying that people need to stop obsessing about Manhattan.

        Prole: My Sheepshead Bay and Bay Ridge are just as nice and liveable (who cares)

        The Godfather Movie has status with Queens, but there are no important scenes of Manhattan.

        Why? The standards of success were different back then.

        SWPLs today could care less about Don Corleone being buried in Maspeth or if you have a McMansion in Staten Island. They set the standards.


        January 11, 2016 at 6:45 pm

      • @JS

        Proles are right.


        January 11, 2016 at 7:38 pm

  21. “State test scores came out recently, and our neighborhood public school, which is filled with some of the city’s poorest kids, scored very low.”

    Even if the reason why the students score so low is a result of low IQ, and not bad teaching, it’s still a good idea to have your kids go to a high scoring school. If your kids have stupid peers, they can either socialize with them and pick up their stupid habits, or they can be social outcasts and grow up bitter about it.


    January 11, 2016 at 12:56 am

  22. The only time Liberals are 100% believers in IQ is when one of those phony “Republicans have lower IQs than Democrats” stories pops up.


    January 11, 2016 at 9:15 am

    • Yep, like with Sara Palin.

      E. Rekshun

      January 11, 2016 at 10:49 am

  23. O/T – Private schools in Manhattan’s 2 wealthiest sections, the Upper East and the Upper West Sides, have forced proposed affordable housing complexes to be relocated in less desirable areas in NAM territory, so they can expand their offerings in their immediate vicinity. They do this by lobbying to hypocrites like de Blasio. Yes, money can buy off de Blasio’s liberal-communist agenda.


    January 11, 2016 at 1:32 pm

    • And one can see how elites are driven by status, greed and hypocrisy, but they’ll the lesser mortals to suck it up when it comes to NAMs.


      January 11, 2016 at 1:34 pm

  24. It’s impossible to verify if that article was written by a sincere person or an activist troll (possibly a nyt staffer). Everyone knows trolling is everywhere in the liberal media. I don’t believe that article at all. It reads like a boilerplate troll.

    Any and all sane parents want the best for their kids. They can say whatever they want in public in order to convince themselves they aren’t racists, but in the end they will make sure their kids are going in the best direction as possible. Just like the author of this blog states, the parents will self-deceive and tell themselves what they want to hear while simultaneously sending their kid to a school in which a learning environment is valued. There is nothing “ethical” about that; it’s called the survival instinct. These days long term survival involves solid educational underpinnings. “Ethical” is a high status word liberals use to signal to one another, nothing more.

    The NYT is trolling its SWPL readership again

    January 11, 2016 at 3:19 pm

    • Sorry, missed an important part, I was busy fixing my van.

      The reason you know that you could not have created yourself is because you didn’t exist. Now it’s clear.


      January 12, 2016 at 9:53 am

  25. Is guilt a strong feeling when experienced by normal people? I never experienced it. I also never saw anyone talking about guilt in real life situations. I suspect people write about it because it is popular to write about it, but it is not something that happens much in real life. Or maybe I just live and work in a bubble of some sort. Not sure.


    January 11, 2016 at 4:12 pm

    • I experience guilt and it’s a good thing, in my opinion. I make mistakes almost every day, mistakes that I should’ve known better not to make. You are emotionally deed, you may be a psychopath, seek help in religion.


      January 11, 2016 at 6:40 pm

      • Religion does not stick well to rational people. I would probably need to take a neuroleptic for few days to become religious. Never tried, but I have seen perfectly rational people becoming religious after few days on the neuroleptic and becoming nonreligious again after stopping taking it.


        January 12, 2016 at 3:55 am

      • Let’s think rationaly together.

        1. Did you exist forever?
        No. So you were created.

        2. Did you create yourself? No. So there is a Creator.

        No need for expensive drugs.


        January 12, 2016 at 8:55 am

    • Sorry, missed an important part, I was busy fixing my van.

      The reason you know that you could not have created yourself is because you didn’t exist. Now it’s clear.

      This argument is presented in ‘The Duties of The Heart’ , a thousand year old work of Jewish philosophy. The first section of the work is devoted to proving the existence and unity of God. It contains 10 chapters and is very powerful. I especially liked the argument that the minerals found in the earth, which are essential to human existence, couldn’t have come into being by chance. Powerful proof! I don’t know if the English translation does justice to the original, but the text uses straight forward logic and the arguments are universal, so it should be good.

      Now the translation of the title is literal, but the ‘heart’ in this context really means the ‘mind’. So it should really be ‘The Duties of the Mind (intellect)’ .


      January 12, 2016 at 10:46 am

      • Not going to argue with you. You have got more experience with it.


        January 13, 2016 at 3:22 am

  26. This couple should be arrested for child abuse if they have the choice to move but don’t.

    Bilbo Baggins

    January 11, 2016 at 7:23 pm

  27. No one seems to grasp that even bad schools could be good with the adoption of the one thing leftist teachers hate most: ability grouping. Sure, it’s best to be in a school where everyone’s smart. But lacking that, if one could just be assured that one’s child would be in a classroom of equals, that would be enough.


    January 12, 2016 at 9:01 pm

  28. Let me explain it to you simply. Any school that is over 50% black is going to be a failing school. It can have computers that are cutting edge, and teachers that care, and textbooks that are brand new with the newest techniques and it doesn’t mean shit. The blacks in Africa have an IQ median of around 70, and there are amazing claims that blacks in America are one standard deviation higher at 85, but I have seen little to no difference between Africans from Africa and Africans from the Hood, except for the fact that Africans from Africa actually want to attend class and learn something.
    If they don’t bus enough White and Asian kids to Ghetto Hell Muthafuckin Martin Lothur Kang High School that school is always going to fail. They need a certain amount of non colored students to keep from losing their funds so they will use hook and crook to grab little White and Asian kids and bus them to Penitentiary Junior High. Beatings, rapes, knifings, and of course constant profanity prepare these kids for the Brave New World of Race Wars and Gang Warfare in the Inner City. If you want to make your kids ready for the Mad Max World after the collapse of Western Civilization then send them to Osama Hussein Obama Joyner-Kersey Jordan High School. Pack a gun and get some kevlar underwear. Go get ’em boy.

    Joshua Sinistar

    January 13, 2016 at 12:38 am

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