Lion of the Blogosphere

I canceled my cable TV

And Time Warner Cable was a real pain in the ass about it. I had to get snippy with the call center agent so she would stop trying to offer me deals and just quote me a price without TV service.

By the way, if you want to save $30 month without canceling anything, you should call TWC and ask to cancel. Don’t worry, I promise you they won’t let you cancel without offering you a deal which is better than your current rate.

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This means I may not be able to watch live coverage of the next Republican debate, the Super Bowl, or the Iowa Caucuses.

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At a company I previously worked for, about 10% of customers would continuously spin their deals by calling to cancel shortly after the deal ended and the price increased. This was a result of shortsighted management goals. “Saving” customers in the short run trains them in the long run to spin the offer. And it also creates the unfair situation in which the company rewards its best and most loyal customers by charging them more money (because management knows that those customers value the service more and are therefore willing to pay more).

The percent of customers on discount offers instead of paying full price was steadily increasing over time.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

January 12, 2016 at 4:45 pm

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  1. After by cable (extended basic) + high-speed internet bundle with Brighthouse reached $130 last year, I cut the TV cable cord and installed an HD digital TV antennae on the roof and reduced my cable internet service from “high-speed” 5mbps to “lite” 2 mbps. While I only receive about a dozen worthwhile channels, my internet is plenty fast (especially on my Chromebook) and I lowered my bill to $23/mo!

    E. Rekshun

    January 12, 2016 at 4:54 pm

  2. I’m paying a ton for Comcast Xfinity digital – phone, cable and Internet (advertised as “up to” 100mbps). But I am actually getting 1mpbs on multiple movie downloads.


    January 12, 2016 at 5:06 pm

  3. “This means I may not be able to watch live coverage of the next Republican debate, the Super Bowl, or the Iowa Caucuses.”

    Streams are easy to find. I still have cable but almost everything I watch live I watch on an online stream. I really should cancel by now but I’m habituated to watching the news in the morning before work.


    January 12, 2016 at 5:21 pm

  4. “This means I may not be able to watch live coverage of the next Republican debate, the Super Bowl, or the Iowa Caucuses.”

    I’d sooner watch paint dry.



    January 12, 2016 at 5:29 pm

  5. Just get an “AmazonBasics Ultra Thin Indoor HDTV Antenna” for $15. You’ll get broadcast TV in HD, so you can watch the major debates and the SuperDuper Bowl. Even here in Boonieville, I get 17 channels for free.

    January 12, 2016 at 5:48 pm

  6. Lion, the post is missing the reason why you canceled. You might have as well said – ‘I fried fish today.’ So? This is supposedly a high IQ blog and we like to understand what’s going on.


    January 12, 2016 at 5:54 pm

    • To save money and because I hardly ever watch live TV.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      January 12, 2016 at 5:56 pm

      • But all these shows you watch, I thought that was on TV. I don’t have TV, so I don’t know.

        I was thinking of you this Sunday. I get a Jewish helper, so I go:

        – ‘What’s your last name?’
        – ‘Brandeis’, he goes
        – ‘You are a Brandeis?’, I go.
        – ‘Yeap’, he goes.

        This guy is bright, diligent, pretty handy. Was worth $20 an hour to me. He made $230. Like I’ve said being stupid and lazy is what holds you back. This guy has a good future. I got my payroll today after the raise and am a shtikle intoxicated. But I was thinking that just like this Brandeis is worth $20 to me, I’m also worth this money to my boss. He didn’t want to take the extra $30. Nice guy, very high IQ, higher then me, obviously, he is a Brandeis!

        So here is where I think you are wrong: a prole Brandeis is better then a law professor Obama. Race isn’t just a proxy, it’s more then just IQ. This guy has nobility about him. A noble prole. Actually, he is very well read and a real pleasure to talk to. Lots of common sense. This is genes. This is pretty amazing.


        January 12, 2016 at 6:31 pm

      • Good for you. I happily spent my student years without a TV, and got so much done too, until I was gifted one by my dear parents. Afterwards I found myself following various SJW shows, pozzed news and all sorts of uselessness. Now I’ve mostly kicked the habit again … still on the internet though.


        January 12, 2016 at 6:47 pm

    • Paying for cable TV is low IQ.


      January 12, 2016 at 7:56 pm

      • Watching TV is even lower IQ and low status. Interesting, how much TV does Einstein or a Supreme Court Judge watch, I wonder? What about the Queen of England? Imagine Obama goes to England and meets the Queen.

        – ‘How are you, your majesty?’, asks Obama.
        – ‘How do you do Mr. President?’, goes the queen. ‘You Americans are so lucky because you have Hollywood! I watched an American movie on TV last night. It was quite good, I enjoyed myself.’
        – ‘What move was it, your Majesty?’
        – ‘It a crazy, crazy, crazy world!’
        – ‘Good choice, your Majesty. I think it’s all this racism, prejudice and hatred that make it this way. We need more diversity and open borders, like I’d said in my last State of the Union address. We can do it, but only if we work together. It takes a village, you know. We have to give people their faith back. You know, our Constitution starts with the words ‘We the people’, it’s all for the people. I had Syrian refugees at the White House and their humanity was amazing, they enrich our country. We need more of them they are what makes America strong. ‘
        -‘ Mr. President, you are a true Patriot! Your country should be as proud of you as you are proud of your country. May I offer you tea and crumpets? ‘
        -‘ Certainly, your majesty. I’m delighted at the experience. You, British, are very cultured.’


        January 13, 2016 at 7:56 am

  7. Lion, get a digital antenna that you can place inside your flat, on the wall. A Mohu leaf or Amazon’s own version. As for getting cable, you can stream pirated versions at places like zahi tv


    January 12, 2016 at 6:02 pm

  8. I take advantage of Sirius XM literally all the time. They offer a deal for 6 months for $30 (regular price is, I believe, $149/year) and no sign up fee. I get it. At the end of the six months, I cancel. Within a few weeks, they offer me the same deal. I take it again. Then cancel again. Repeat ad infinitum.



    January 12, 2016 at 6:19 pm

  9. When I moved four years ago, I never got around to setting up cable at the new place. It was the best thing I never did. I went from having 100+ channels to zero. (We now live in the shadow of a cliff and can’t get anything out of the air.) Not only do I not miss TV, but TV has started to annoy me when it’s on at other people’s homes or in public places. You soon realize how ubiquitous and difficult to avoid it is.


    January 12, 2016 at 6:35 pm

  10. Are you going to miss watching CNBC in the mornings?


    January 12, 2016 at 6:40 pm

  11. You are absolutely correct that they will let you negotiate a massive discount on your services before letting you walk.

    In fact, when negotiating a better rate on your cable/internet package, don’t even bother talking to Billing or Customer Solutions. Just ask to disconnect the service. You will be put on with a “retention specialist” who will jump through hoops to keep you as a customer.

    I’ve heard that this is because it “costs so much money” to acquire me as a customer, they would rather LOSE money by offering me a discount, rather than seeing me go to a competitor. But I don’t really know what this means, or why my individual business would be so important to Comcast.

    Really does work though. Also, never allow them to lock you into a contract; you will lose all negotiating power.


    January 12, 2016 at 7:07 pm

  12. At a company I previously worked for, about 10% of customers would continuously spin their deals by calling to cancel shortly after the deal ended and the price increased. This was a result of shortsighted management goals. “Saving” customers in the short run trains them in the long run to spin the offer. And it also creates the unfair situation in which the company rewards its best and most loyal customers by charging them more money (because management knows that those customers value the service more and are therefore willing to pay more).

    Apple followed the strategy the mirror opposite of your company’s: premium pricing. Apple charges everyone the same excessive amount to create the impression of quality.

    The Lion calls this value transference, Apple calls this value creation. Once again, Apple is on the side of truth and justice, while the Lion is wrong.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    January 12, 2016 at 7:24 pm

    • ROTFLMAO. It’s been a while… boy, I’ve been missing comments.

      BTW, do long acronyms date me? I don’t see anyone do that anymore.


      January 12, 2016 at 10:38 pm

    • BTW, do long acronyms date me? I don’t see anyone do that anymore.

      If it’s not out of style, it’s close. But it doesn’t become prole until the Lion says so.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      January 14, 2016 at 6:30 pm

  13. People don’t realize how much they’re paying in monthly recurring charges because they’re only a little bit each month. But they add up to thousands a year wasted on bs. You did well to cancel your cable. Now go through your other bills and cut every single recurring charge that isn’t an absolute necessity. Then shop around and look for ways to minimize the ones that are a necessity.

    One area to reduce costs is by replacing your iphone voice plan with a data only plan. They don’t like to sell data only plans for iphones but they do for ipads. Just switch the SIM and it will work. Get an Obihai ATA and free Google Voice account for your home. Then download Obihai’s free iphone app to bridge the calls. Basically, the app lets your iphone use the obihai and google voice account at your home to make calls. It should give you about the same functionality for about $1500 less a year. It’s even easier to do something like this with Android phones.


    January 12, 2016 at 7:49 pm

  14. Two good free ways to watch SuperBowl are at the house of a friend who has NFL -type connections (that is, someone who has enough life experience to have well-earned amused respect for the youngsters on the field) or at an airport bar. I don’t like watching the Super Bowl with respectful and admiring “fans”. It is of course nice to see their enthusiasm but, as George M. Cohan the Actor told his fiancee when she said lunch was bacon not ham, Good, bacon makes me feel less self-conscious.

    howitzer daniel

    January 12, 2016 at 8:39 pm

    • Never thought of it before, but I bet flying on Super Bowl Sunday is cheaper than Christmas Day. I’ll have to keep that in mind for future reference.


      January 12, 2016 at 10:41 pm

      • Super Bowl Sunday is, statistically, the best day ever to meet nice marriageable women in public places. A hundred years from now thousands upon thousands of the best Americans will be grandchildren of women who met their husbands on Super Bowl Sunday while hoi polloi, bless their humble little enthusiastic hearts, were worried about whether one group of over-specialized order-taking “athletes” wearing the same clothes was better than another group of over-specialized “athletes” wearing almost the same boring clothes but with a slightly different color scheme. Not a sermon, just a thought.

        howitzer daniel

        January 13, 2016 at 11:28 pm

  15. It’s probably all about incentives. When you call to cancel, the schmo on the other end is either compensated or evaluated based on how many potential cancellations he discourages. The company gives him a range of latitude to offer you. This is why they are so relentless, because it effects their pay (I had the same thing happen recently when I cancelled the cable phone service).

    Now why does the company let this happen? Probably because Wall Street partially evaluates cable companies on number of subscribers, like they evaluate NetFlix. Losing subscribers is bad, bad, bad for the executives because it can make the stock price go down. So it’s subscribers uber alles.

    The “stock growth or bust” mentality of American business is really one of the most despicable developments of the past 50 years and the root cause of almost unfathomable human suffering.


    January 12, 2016 at 9:26 pm

  16. Obama is a total idiot. Lion, I’m waiting for you to blog about it. Poor stupid country.


    January 12, 2016 at 10:12 pm

  17. There’s a whole slew of hilarious youtube videos of people trying to cancel their Comcast service but getting held on the phone by obnoxious “retention” reps. This is one of the funniest, it went viral a while back:


    January 12, 2016 at 10:36 pm

  18. Nikki Hailey was good, much better then Obama. First time I saw or heard her, but she is made a good impression. Lion, I’m waiting for your take. Country’s fate us at stake.


    January 12, 2016 at 10:37 pm

    • I thought she was terrible. The Republican response to the SOTU was an attack on Trump and immigration restriction.

      Mike Street Station

      January 13, 2016 at 10:05 am

      • Sorry, I only listened for a couple of minutes. I had no patience for blah-blah-blah. Down with her and Republicans. Only Trump and a new patriotic party after the elections. I made a fool of myself.


        January 13, 2016 at 11:06 am

      • I thought she was terrible. The Republican response to the SOTU was an attack on Trump and immigration restriction.

        Paul Ryan displeases me. Primary him.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 13, 2016 at 8:58 pm

  19. O/T: Lion, thanks for the pointer to Adams’ blog. He is great. Finally, applied game theory outside the PUA ghetto.


    January 12, 2016 at 10:40 pm

  20. Speaking of ways to save money, maybe Lion could start a thread about unusual ways to economize. Since the people on this blog are high IQ, we should come up with some interesting suggestions. I love it when LOTB has practical information like this. It’s probably the main reason that I still read and post here, despite all the digs at Italian-Americans and Staten Island, and the personal abuse I’ve taken here from various people. I’ve often thought about reading this entire blog from first post to this one with a pen and pencil nearby to write down useful recommendations for websites, books, web links, etc… It would be an enormous task, but well worth the time spent. This would be the ultimate in self-improvement, and I’d be in a category all my own – SWPLB – So Worn-out (from) Perusing Lion’s Blog!


    January 12, 2016 at 11:37 pm

    • JS would consider clipping coupons and economizing prole and low-status. Only losers do it. JS, who was it that said: ‘My needs are simple – I like the best.’ You wanna make this a losers blog?

      I think a person’s mind shouldn’t be focused on economizing, just living normally within his means. The mind is too precious.


      January 13, 2016 at 12:01 am

      • This photo taken in Benson-Hurts, Brooklyn looks like an image suited for Lion’s blog. Did he snapped it with his camera?

        As you can see, proles waste money on junk.


        January 13, 2016 at 9:50 am

      • Could it be hipsters being ironically kitsch?

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 13, 2016 at 10:05 am

      • Hipsters in that part of the world: 99% unlikely.

        It’s appears to be a guido family in Brooklyn, with their pizza man and other tacky objects displayed outdoors (because proles are more likely to be flamboyant). This scenery could be anywhere in our country, and those “kitsch” items could make it to the Antiques Road Show for appraisal.


        January 13, 2016 at 10:31 am

      • People are having fun, why should this bother anyone?


        January 13, 2016 at 11:08 am

    • The best economizing tool I ever came up with was this simple formula: set a base expenditure level and never exceed it except for inflation and perhaps costs necessary to project an appropriate image at work. Using this formula, for every present you give yourself, say a trip to Mexico, you have to first find a way to pay for it by selling existing assets (not investment grade assets) or forgoing an ongoing expense (say the cable bill over a period of time). You never pay for new things with new money if you can help it. This is extreme for most people, but it helps you economize, and when your income starts growing you have a healthy surplus that can be funneled into investments. For men avoiding marriage helps greatly with this system. I know very few women willing to live like this.


      January 13, 2016 at 1:55 am

      • And very few men, you may add. I don’t have a budget, never had. If I need sneakers or whatever, I buy it, the rest I save or give away. I like saving a lot every month, then I’m relaxed about spending. I feel that if I can’t put away a few thousand, then what am I working for? I must be, like stupid or something. I was working on Fulton yesterday and a hungry hood rat wanted money for a sandwitch. I gave her $3 and you should’ve seen how happily she hopped away! Like kangaroo or a zebra or something. I only had hundreds, twenties and 3 singles on me. I felt bad for not breaking a 20 and buying her a proper thing. When you live by your means, you can help a hood rat, and pay a Brandeis nicely and it’s a good thing.


        January 13, 2016 at 6:08 pm

      • The Talmud nailed it: you spend on yourself less then you can afford, on your children what you can afford and on your wife more then you can afford. This is the best advice there is. Don’t waste your time looking for anything better, you’ll never find it.


        January 13, 2016 at 10:29 pm

      • Don’t waste your time looking for anything better, you’ll never find it.

        You’re a really worthwhile guy; a real asset to this site. (sincere)


        January 15, 2016 at 1:02 pm

    • Maryk if you do this, post your notes for the rest of us.


      January 13, 2016 at 7:31 pm

      • Will do, RP. Although it may take more than one post.


        January 14, 2016 at 9:26 am

    • Clipping coupons is most certainly prole and outdated. Only prole markets offer paper coupons for grocery discounts, and the food is usually subpar to begin with.

      Any reader here should avoid proledom as much as possible, and emulate elitism as much as possible.

      Lion only talks about high paying jobs via VT as a path to elitism, because most of the residents in NYC are prole and elitists there find very exclusive/esoteric ways to shield themselves from the average New Yorker.


      January 14, 2016 at 10:40 am

      • A person should just be himself and live on his own level, not trying to emulate anyone or reach beyond his capabilities. You wanna be a wannabe your whole life, I think you should keep it real.

        Look mate, can’t you just have a beer without dising NYC or American proles? Try it, you may like it.


        January 14, 2016 at 11:15 am

  21. Is TV prole?

    Charles Murray on the TV viewing habits of the new upper class:

    A Japanese observation of the United States in the 1950s:

    “TV is for the masses. Unbelievably, in America, only the upper classes do not watch television.”


    January 13, 2016 at 8:59 pm

    • 35 hours of TV a week is beyond prole – it’s stupid. A prole can go fishing, hunting, gym, dancing, working, praying, reading the Bible. This is so stupid. King Solomon told us, and this is my own translation: מכל משמר שמור לבך – guard your heart (mind,intellect) more carefully then anything.

      I think all religions should ban TV because of all of these stupid people. It should only be used for business and national security. This will put an end to Hollywood, and it’s a good thing.

      I’ve ordered the book, looks interesting was only 3.89 plus shipping. Tnx.

      Also, with beer, like everything else, it’s the quality, not the hype that matters. If you can’t decide independently what beer you like, you are beyond stupid.


      January 14, 2016 at 9:44 am

      • The cheapest and shoddiest craft beer in Montreal is NYC’s best.

        A reader or a few readers here, have suggested that America is a giant factory, and the average citizen is a factory worker/servant slaving for 40 or plus hrs/ week with a low quality of life. It sounds about right!


        January 14, 2016 at 10:45 am

      • Incidently, I think what you are saying is complete balloney. I recollect now that at corporate parties we had excellent beer. Like really special, I don’t recollect what bars we went to, but very expensive.

        You mate, have to learn to be happy for other people. When proles roast a pig, drink beer and dance salsa, there is nothing wrong with them. Why can you just be happy for them? I think roasting a pig is more fun then going to a Manhattan restaurant and acting all phony to impress a phony girl to have a phony relationship or phony encounter. Keep it real.

        Also, to all the phonies – the women that like you are a reflection of who you are. They are your mirror image. So stop being phony and get real. So, say me now, who likes me? White proles but especially Hispanics and blacks. Why? Because I’ve acquired that successful prole persona. They like that. I’m friendly, cheerful and chat them up. So, Madonna wont be impressed? Who the hell is she anyway?

        Sorry for the rant, but JS got on my nerves. Plus my job is infuriating today. The morons installed two furnaces with undersized chimneys and they don’t work. Now I have to be redoing them and this is a hard and a stupid job. I mean, how stupid can you be? The installation instructions tell you to use 5″ minimum. So you gonna put 5 90° elbows and a horizontal run of 20′ and use 4″? Plus both furnaces are grossly oversized and returns are undersized. I’m so embarrassed!

        Murray is a good guy and a patriot. JS, pay attention to what he is saying.


        January 14, 2016 at 1:11 pm

      • NYC is not even a top 20 city, when it comes to local craft breweries.

        Montreal is only eclipsed by a few American cities in the South and also Portland, when it comes to good local beer.

        And less diverse Montreal has a beer line that celebrates Multiculti, which NYC and other liberal cesspools lack (despite all of our universal propaganda of racial diversity):

        Brasseurs de Montreal – Features beer flavors of Europe, Africa, Latin America and Asia, with respective eye and skin phenotypes on their bottles.


        January 14, 2016 at 2:18 pm

      • States with most craft breweries per capita in descending order per 100,000 adults:

        1) Vermont 8.6;
        2) Oregon 7.4;
        3) Colorado 6.1;
        4) Montana 5.4;
        5) Wyoming 5.3;
        6) Maine 5.2;
        7) Washington 5;

        White and northern states lead the pack.


        January 14, 2016 at 11:14 pm

  22. O/T, Lion – Queens appears to be next borough to gentrify, with Astoria in mind.

    Everyone is complaining about Manhattan and Brooklyn being too expensive. What they don’t really mention is that most people try to avoid Washington Heights-Upper Manhattan, and most certainly, Prole Brooklyn has cheap rentals. An average, one bedroom in Avenue U, Brooklyn, cost about ~ $1k month.


    January 14, 2016 at 12:54 pm

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