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70s vs today?

The Eagles video made me wonder. Today, do any white proles skip college, form a band, and become famous musicians? Or was that just a 70s thing?

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Lyin Eyes more prominently features the late Glen Frey singing lead vocals. It’s a song about a woman who marries an old rich man for the money, but then cheats on him with more sexually attractive younger men.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

January 19, 2016 at 9:35 am

Posted in Proles

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  1. The proles of today skip college and write web and mobile apps today. The payoff, if successful, is much, much larger than becoming a musician in the 1970’s. At least that is the myth…


    January 19, 2016 at 9:51 am

    • Yea, but they don’t get laid like the rock musicians did.

      bobo rocker

      January 19, 2016 at 6:20 pm

  2. Today’s creative 19-year old college dropouts listen to and create dubstep on a cheap laptop, not rock music in the garage?


    January 19, 2016 at 10:04 am

    • They don’t get laid either. Computers will never achieve the sex appeal of the guitar.

      bobo rocker

      January 19, 2016 at 6:22 pm

      • you think gigging djs don’t get laid?


        January 19, 2016 at 11:39 pm

      • Yes, by gay men.

        electronica = gay

        January 20, 2016 at 7:51 am

  3. Justin Bieber

    ice hole

    January 19, 2016 at 10:09 am

  4. Lion, you should watch the History of the Eagles doc on Netflix right now. Glenn Frey was an uber alpha 1.0. He talks about how they were inspired to watch “Lyin’ Eyes” by seeing couples at a place they hung out. Though later in their reunion tour, he would introduce the song by claiming it was about his ex-wife, “Plaintiff.”

    He bullied Bernie Leadon, Randy Meisner and Don Felder out of the band, and in the doc actually brags about how he humiliated Felder with a post-reunion ultimatum to take a reduced share of the tons of money the band was making, or be fired the same day.

    Frey also had a tight pr operation. I checked his Wikipedia page a few weeks ago (knowing that he was seriously ill – the band had cancelled a Kennedy Awards ceremony appearance last month due to his having surgery) and all information about his wives/kids had been scrubbed.


    January 19, 2016 at 10:11 am

    • IMO the real alpha of the group is Irving Azoff, their manager (especially given he’s really short). As the band put it, “He may be Satan, but he’s our Satan.” .

      slithy toves

      January 20, 2016 at 10:18 am

  5. By the way, it is hilarious to see SWPL critics coming out of the woodwork to ‘splain why you “shouldn’t” like the Eagles. This guy seems to be bitter that extremely popular music could be made by bros who were comfortable in their own skin, and has inexplicable anger at suburbia.

    During summer 1994 I attended both the Eagles reunion tour and an Elton John/Billy Joel concert. The Eagles attendees were clearly more prole.


    January 19, 2016 at 10:23 am

    • I have no doubt there are SWPL’s angry at whites for being comfortable in their own skin, but let’s face it, when it comes to music that’s just a subset of the huge number of people, SWPL or not, angry about any music that’s melodic or displays harmony. I was in college in the ’70s and among my macho male friends I don’t recall a single one who enjoyed listening to “Take it Easy” or “One Of These Nights” or “Lyin’ Eyes.” Instead it was Thin Lizzy or Lynrd Skynyrd or Peter Frampton or Earthquake. Most men are terrified of melody, for some reason.


      January 19, 2016 at 11:03 am

    • That’s not a SWPL critic – it read like something I would have written when I was 15 – a kid from an upper middle class suburb talking about how cool he is listening to less successful bands. I never got into The Eagles, or for that matter the Beatles, but they were obviously doing something right. As I read it I kept thinking “what grade are you in”?


      January 19, 2016 at 1:29 pm

    • Name

      January 20, 2016 at 1:39 am

  6. Hitting it big in music today is not really feasible. Making a decent living in a band is also a real long shot. For starters, no one purchases music anymore – (CD’s sales have tanked; even digital downloads are becoming a thing of the past; vinyl is merely a specialty item). Income from streaming is laughable.

    Technology now allows just about anyone to make a decent sound recording and website. This means that talent buyers/gatekeepers (booking agents etc.) have an endless supply of desperate bands from which to draw from.

    The end result is that performance fees for live music have fallen (or stayed the same) for decades. And live music is not nearly as popular as it once was (people have all sorts of entertainment options, from Netflix, video games, the web etc.). It doesn’t help that some musicians are willing to play “for exposure” (I.e. for free).

    Unfortunately touring is still very expensive (gas, van rentals, “cheap” motels”, musician fees, tolls). And making a good quality recording is not cheap (studio time, session musician fees, mixing, mastering, CD/Vinyl manufacturing). Those expenses will not be recouped through sales. Lastly, the glut of new music in the market necessitates the hiring of publicists and radio promoters, all of whom are extremely pricey. Musicians today frequently resort to begging for money via Kickstarter in order to pay for all of this.

    So get that high school diploma, at the very least. If you are desperate to make a living in music, you should probably diversify: learn a trade; learn bass and drums (always in demand), teach, do session work etc.

    Ok, I’ll stop now.


    January 19, 2016 at 10:30 am

    • How do the successful rappers make money?


      January 19, 2016 at 11:33 am

      • I’d love to know, but it’s probably the same way any successful musician makes money: performance fees, licensing income, merchandise other than CD’s etc. Truth be told, rap is doing very well these days (and their bootleg market surpasses those of rock and country). The truth is that income streams from music have shrunk dramatically, while the costs on touring, recording, and promotion, are still very high.


        January 19, 2016 at 12:01 pm

      • By becoming famous in that business, then leveraging it into others. Dr Dre didn’t become a (near) billionaire rapping – he got that rich selling technology with his name on it.


        January 19, 2016 at 12:55 pm

      • Who knew that Dr. Dre. was a top electrical engineer.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 19, 2016 at 1:05 pm

      • Apple evidently thought so.


        January 19, 2016 at 1:45 pm

      • Beats by Dre was designed by the Monster Electronics company. They lost the rights to the tech somehow (too bored to look it up).
        Of course, the guy behind Monster Electronics is Asian (Taiwanese/Chinese?). Make of it what you will.

        Half Canadian

        January 19, 2016 at 2:36 pm

      • The sell coke to the hos.

        bobo rocker

        January 19, 2016 at 6:25 pm

    • Real musicians don’t care about the money, they care about rockin’ and getting laid. Geez, nerds really don’t get it.

      bobo rocker

      January 19, 2016 at 6:24 pm

      • and the gettin laid goes so quick once yer done, there’s plenty of time fer rockin.


        January 20, 2016 at 3:38 am

    • The big musical festivals such as EDC are enormously profitable. Check out the ticket prices. The DJs that headline them get huge fees for appearing. Thats where the money in live performances is these days. Though its questionable how live they really are.


      January 20, 2016 at 12:12 am

  7. It is far less common today, but that is mostly because skipping college is much less common among prole whites than it was in the 1970’s. Some of the Lynyrd Skynyrd guys didn’t even bother finishing High School. Fast forward twenty years and you have Creed, a North Florida band of similar ethnic and socioeconomic status, getting together while attending FSU. And because those prole whites from the 1970’s made being a musician so popular, today there is far more competition from kids in the upper classes for whom skipping college would be even more unusual. The Stokes went to the Dwight School and started their band while attending NYU. MGMT formed while the band was attending Wesleyan. Ratatat was formed by two guys attending Skidmore. I’d wager the place you’d find the most bands with members that have never gone to college is probably the Pacific Northwest.


    January 19, 2016 at 11:30 am

    • I would agree with this. I’ve also heard the observation that bands don’t trash hotel rooms anymore like they used to. I’m inclined to think the less prole nature of rock bands is probably a factor, combined with the increased commercialization of rock and roll. There are just a lot more “adults” around to make sure the rockers don’t do things like that.


      January 19, 2016 at 1:57 pm

    • Some of the Lynyrd Skynyrd guys didn’t even bother finishing High School.

      Ironically, the band is named after the high school phys ed teacher, Leonard Skinner, at Robert E. Lee high school in Jacksonville, FL where the founding members went to high school. Most all of the original and early members of the band have died.

      E. Rekshun

      January 19, 2016 at 6:38 pm

    • I agree that proles and middles made rock popular and lucrative and the uppers followed, but don’t forget that there were far fewer college kids back in the Skynyrd days. No more than ten percent of the age cohort compared to what, over 30 percent now graduate and even more attend? Lots of folks in college today would have been no more than high school grads in the 70s. It is one reason college grads in the 70s and 80s had little problem finding jobs out of school.

      Regarding the dearth of living Lynyrd Skynyrd alums, plane wrecks tend to increase the probability of a short life.

      Regarding hotel trashing, I think that has a lot to do with the fact that we are a lot more policed up (and less laid back) than in the 70s. As late as the early 80s you could drive around drunk as a skunk without much fear of being arrested. Compare that to today, two beers and you are heading for a night in jail or a $10K fine.


      January 19, 2016 at 10:51 pm

  8. Forming rock bands lasted till the early Y2Ks. Lazy Me-Millennials don’t care much for forming rock bands. They aren’t discipline enough, and their social status and getting laid revolves around social media.


    January 19, 2016 at 11:36 am

  9. Young people like hip-hop and electronica. Rock music is for old people.

    A Reader

    January 19, 2016 at 11:56 am

    • 1st hiphoppers are in their 50s.
      and kraftwerk guys are even older


      January 20, 2016 at 3:39 am

  10. There were both more Whites in the 70s and less coloreds. Chalk up the scarcity of white musicians due to being displaced by colored rappers.

    Demographics IS Life.


    January 19, 2016 at 12:03 pm

    • And GenBrandons are now Hip Hop panderers than rock n billies.


      January 19, 2016 at 12:58 pm

  11. My feelings about Glen Frey and Don Henley were put very succinctly by the great artist Mojo Nixon

    Larry, San Francisco

    January 19, 2016 at 3:18 pm

  12. Merchandising, licensing and touring.

    It is a brutal way to live.


    January 19, 2016 at 4:53 pm

  13. Electrifying stage act.


    January 19, 2016 at 7:59 pm

  14. Lots of White proles do this, and lots do it out of college. However, apart from the niche and much smaller Metal scene, almost all Whites who do this are effectively in the “Indie” scene. Thus, staying abreast of Indie music would give you the impression that Whites still do this and, likely to better average fame effect than in the past (they don’t need to rely on commercial radio and labels to become relatively known for good work). Making money is another thing entirely, but I don’t think that is what you were asking.


    January 19, 2016 at 11:00 pm

    • al yankovic is cult, apparently making a living. covers with new lyrics, but electronics have allowed his tracks to sound more ‘musical.


      January 20, 2016 at 1:47 am

  15. one thing i’ve noticed about today is that a lot of kids aren’t interested in being in ‘bands’ anymore. when i was a teenager in the very late 90s and 2000s being in a band, such as a ska rock or punk band, was what was cool. now kids buy a bunch of stereo equipment and become “djs”. this is a massive loss in my opinion.

    james n.s.w

    January 20, 2016 at 8:25 am

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