Lion of the Blogosphere

Natalie Keepers the mastermind?

From the Washington Post:

A Virginia Tech freshman told investigators that she wanted to be part of something “secretive and exciting” when she became involved in the plan to kill a 13-year-old girl, helping a college classmate pick a remote spot for the slaying, buying a shovel with him and ultimately disposing of Nicole Lovell’s body, a prosecutor said Thursday.

Sounds like Natalie is a sociopath/psychopath, because only a psychopath would think that killing a 13-year-old girl would be something fun to do. It’s unlikely that two psychopaths would hang out together (because psychopaths don’t like other psychopaths), so my current hypothesis (which was first suggested by a commenter) is that Natalie is the mastermind, and she used hapless David Eisenhauer who had oneitis for her and therefore was pliable to do whatever she ordered.

A PUA blogger would say that if only Eisenhauer had been taught game, he wouldn’t have gotten himself into this horrible situation.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

February 4, 2016 at 6:12 pm

Posted in Crime, Psychology

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  1. Not pretty. And that’s both of ’em.

    Mobutu

    February 4, 2016 at 6:53 pm

  2. A Leopold and Loeb for our age.

    Anthony

    February 4, 2016 at 7:22 pm

    • Yes, I have been remarking that Eisenhauer and Keepers are like Loeb and Leopold…There is another duo who also came to mind…Paul Bernardo and his wife, Karla Homolka….

      Cheryl Thomas

      February 9, 2016 at 10:14 pm

  3. Like I said in the comments on the “strange arrests” post:

    “Is it just me or does Eisenhauer have a slight look of amusement on his face in his mugshot?”

    I can’t tell if you’re trolling or not, Lion, but this guy was the mastermind. He sold her on the “secretive and exciting” thing.

    Robert

    February 4, 2016 at 7:24 pm

  4. A PUA blogger would say that if only Eisenhauer had been taught game, he wouldn’t have gotten himself into this horrible situation.

    Eisenhauer would have gotten better advice had he read your blog – don’t associate yourself with proles, who could become a bad influence in your life.

    And yes, the PUA is right. She is no Bonnie, as in Clyde.

    JS

    February 4, 2016 at 7:46 pm

  5. It’s unfortunate there are almost no female serial killer news stories.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    February 4, 2016 at 7:53 pm

  6. Maybe they were LOTB readers who were unaware of non-religious bases for morality, and were atheists, and so didn’t see anything wrong with killing the girl.

    Dave Pinsen

    February 4, 2016 at 9:34 pm

    • Oh come off it, most people aren’t that depraved even without religion. You raise normal people without religion they either become atheist libertarian nerds or silly SJW leftists, but they don’t go killing random people for fun.

      SFG

      February 4, 2016 at 10:40 pm

      • Only closeted nerds have the meme ‘atheist libertarian nerds.’

        Robert

        February 5, 2016 at 4:09 am

      • Every atheist I know was raised Christian or Jewish so have Christian or Jewish culture. When a whole generation of atheists are raised as atheist people are going to be surprised when they don’t share the basic Christian beliefs because they weren’t raised with that background.

        everybodyhatesscott

        February 5, 2016 at 11:02 am

    • A few years ago at a Sacramento area Wal-Mart, two teen girls stole the cash a 9-year old girl scout had accumulated selling cookies. After the arrest a reporter asked one girl why she did it, and the reply was, “wull, it was there …” I imagine this Natalie had developed a similar lack of feeling.

      Marty

      February 5, 2016 at 12:15 am

  7. (A) Responding to your last post on this story, I don’t see what your complaint is about Natalie’s teeth – they look fine to me. Anyway, the news says her father is an aerospace engineer, so they’re probably not pure prole.

    (B) Your thought that Natalie was the mastermind occurred to me as well, and definitely seems possible. But… David doesn’t seem necessarily that beta. Annnnnd have you seen his mugshot? Snap visual judgment says he is a stone cold killer. I’m on the fence.

    (C) It’s baffling that two intelligent engineering students think they could get away with this crime after leaving such a substantial electronic paper trail. This story is confusing on many levels!

    zorro

    February 4, 2016 at 11:46 pm

    • There are a lot of C students majoring in engineering. Also, the fact that they were hanging out with a 13 year old implies some emotional immaturity. I suspect the smarter class of murderers tend to kill adults.

      Richard

      February 5, 2016 at 2:32 am

  8. Paul Bernardo and his wife Karla Hoĺmoka are both psychopaths.

    Rosenmops

    February 5, 2016 at 1:38 am

    • Who????

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 5, 2016 at 1:39 am

      • Lion, famed serial murderers up here in Canada. Many feel the woman ran the show.

        There seems to be an under-reporting of female participation in the media in these crimes. Over the years I remember big ones in South Africa, the UK, Russia, and Switzerland for example that have since gone down the memory hole.

        Robert

        February 5, 2016 at 4:34 am

      • Bernardo was a serial rapist for quite some time. He didn’t turn murderer until he teamed up with the lovely Karla. Maybe all the murders were her idea. They raped and murdered Karla’s little sister as well as at least 2 other young girls.

        Rosenmop

        February 5, 2016 at 5:33 pm

    • How quickly they forget

      Lion of the Turambar

      February 5, 2016 at 8:16 am

  9. What does Roissy say about Keepers/Eisenhauer? Is anyone here friends with him?

    Martin L.

    February 5, 2016 at 2:38 am

    • Probably not much, he’s gone full white nationalist now. I’ve started looking for a new PUA blog, any suggestions?

      SFG

      February 6, 2016 at 9:18 am

  10. A psychopath simply has low sentimentality and often high logic. It seems to me they diagnose a lot of fairly rational people as psychopaths, and the category is falling out of favor among psychologists.

    A sociopath actively wants to harm others or self usually with low IQ/self-control, and is often ridden with envy or other fantasies and projection on others. Communism is inherently sociopath- attractive.

    Robert

    February 5, 2016 at 4:14 am

    • No, pyschopath/sociopath means someone without the normal human emotions of guilt or empathy. I prefer sociopath because the former makes people think of “pyscho killers” and most don’t become murderers, and also because these people do not have “psychosis,” so “psychopath” is a very confusing term for the layperson.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 5, 2016 at 8:59 am

  11. So has the old theory …

    “My theory is that Eisenhaur is innocent, and that law enforcement assumes he must be guilty because he’s 18 and the victim is 13. And my theory is that Natalie’s involvement is merely that she also exchanged some electronic communications with the victim”

    … been abandoned?

    MKP

    February 5, 2016 at 10:30 am

  12. I don’t understand how the victim met the perps. How does a 13yo girl meet a college kid? Yes, yes, I am sure it was online somehow, but what was the exact process? Did Eisenhauer randomly search for 13yo girls and groom them? Was she the only one he had “on deck” as a potential murder victim?

    Tarl

    February 5, 2016 at 10:41 am

    • “Did Eisenhauer randomly search for 13yo girls and groom them? Was she the only one he had ‘on deck’ as a potential murder victim?”

      good question. i like the critical thinking here.

      rivelino

      February 5, 2016 at 6:14 pm

    • David Eisenhauer was cruising ten groups on facebook. That is where he saw Nicole and he began to send her messages expressing an attraction to her.

      Totally conned, Nicole agreed to meet him. This is the evening she was abducted and murdered.

      Natalie Keepers, made the girl feel that as long as a woman was present , it would be safe.

      Eisenhauer had chosen Nicole as his victim on January 4th.

      Afterward He and Keepers, drove by Nicole’s home to case the crime scene to be….decided when and how to murder her.

      Cheryl Thomas

      February 9, 2016 at 10:23 pm

  13. A sociopath is someone who is born without having feelings. They can be good, evil, or neither. A psychopath is a sociopath that acts out in a violent, criminal fashion.

    Martin L.

    February 5, 2016 at 1:20 pm

  14. I doubt that Eisenhauer would be embroiled in this if he could get laid by college women his own age.

    But Virginia Tech is not exactly a good school to attend if you’re already not good at attracting women, being engineering and tech focused.

    Camlost

    February 5, 2016 at 1:27 pm

  15. I don’t understand how the victim met the perps.

    Probably some social media app like snapchat or whisper, and there’s several more beyond that. Teen girls inhabit them in droves, and they often lack a sense of danger. A lot of pervs know this and take advantage.

    I do snapchat to keep in touch with some friends, mainly to send them photos when travelling. I get all sorts of random connection requests from teen girls and weird people.

    Camlost

    February 5, 2016 at 1:36 pm

    • “random connection requests from teen girls”

      Most likely prostitutes or people hoping to scam you for money.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 5, 2016 at 1:58 pm

      • I don’t think so, Lion. I’ve accepted a few of those random connections by accident, when I didn’t recognize the handle and I assumed it was someone I knew. The next thing you know is that within 1 hour you’ll get like 40 selfies, dumb memes and edited photos (they use the in-app editor to add flowers, emoticons, and endless girly crap) that all clearly come from some middle school girl.

        Camlost

        February 5, 2016 at 6:15 pm

      • Interesting. Why would a middle-school-aged girl want to chat with a nerdy old man?

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 5, 2016 at 6:35 pm

      • Interesting. Why would a middle-school-aged girl want to chat with a nerdy old man?

        Some of the apps don’t have profile info, so you’re not identified as a 40 year-old male. And there’s no profile photo. Also, a perv could just lie about his info anyway. They’re the equivalent of what used to be the old AOL chat rooms.

        In the case of Whisper it just identifies random users within a 5 or 10 mile radius – identifying only as male or female I think – and people just yap randomly or post messages to small temp message boards and the like.

        It’s really bizarre for people like us who came of age before social media, but some kids nowadays literally spend every waking moment on Social Media and haven’t known much else. And from what I can guess some of these kids live in pretty small towns or rural areas where there’s very little to do (especially if you can’t drive yet).

        Here’s another example:

        http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/crime/2016/02/04/teacher-arrested-soliciting-minor-over-whisper-app/79817774/

        Camlost

        February 5, 2016 at 6:51 pm

  16. Some sites now reporting that Eisenhauer met the 13 year-old on the social media app Kik:

    http://www.today.com/parents/what-every-parent-needs-know-about-potentially-dangerous-mobile-apps-t71381

    Just as I predicted.

    Camlost

    February 5, 2016 at 5:13 pm

    • KIK is not where he met Nicole. He saw her in a teen group he was cruising….

      They used KIK to communicate…most likely at his suggestion as KIK messages can’t be followed by 3rd parties.

      Cheryl Thomas

      February 9, 2016 at 10:31 pm

  17. nicole inspires so much empathy if you read her story — cancer, liver transplant, not pretty, scarred, bullied, poor, drinking six packs of mountain dew as she watched cinderella and dreamed of a better life — but if you don’t read her story and just see an unphotogenic chubby white girl, it’s easy to get bored and move on to the next story.

    if only they had murdered a lesbian transgender black girl — or a very pretty blonde — this case would be getting much more attention.

    rivelino

    February 5, 2016 at 6:20 pm

  18. “But Virginia Tech is not exactly a good school to attend if you’re already not good at attracting women, being engineering and tech focused.”

    Not sure I agree with this. If you have solid fundamentals (good looks/style/social skills) you should do decently almost everywhere, and I don’t mean by traveling overseas a la Roosh. Even the higher-ranking of the out-and-out nerd class can usually do quite nicely if they have jobs and aren’t the WoW in-their-mother’s-basements-all-day types. Of course, some will take issue with average “girls next door” or “nerdy cute” girls but I think being obsessively focused on the tens is stupid.

    Girls everywhere in all cultures hate certain things because they are signals of a poor/useless provider/protector or poor genes:

    –Short guys
    –Guys with poor/no style or hygiene
    –Guys who are intelligent, but unable to parlay it into an effective real-world usage. This is far more damaging than being dumb.
    –Obese guys, unless they have money
    –Guys without the social skills to have an engaging reciprocal mainstream conversation with their peers
    –Desperate groveling betas, unless the woman can use them in some way

    Martin L.

    February 6, 2016 at 12:36 am

  19. “But Virginia Tech is not exactly a good school to attend if you’re already not good at attracting women, being engineering and tech focused.”

    Not sure I agree with this. If you have solid fundamentals (good looks/style/social skills) you should do decently almost everywhere, and I don’t mean by traveling overseas a la Roosh.

    Dude please read my comment again, especially the part about if you’re already not good at attracting women. Sure men can improve their prospects over time, but if you’re already low on the totem pole you don’t go somewhere that is women-deficient.

    Camlost

    February 6, 2016 at 4:41 pm


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