Lion of the Blogosphere

The noble lie

I believe that widespread belief in Christianity benefited the development of the United States for its first 150 years or so.

I’ve read Ben Franklin’s autobiography, and my impression is that he didn’t personally believe in the religious nonsense, but approved of the moral lessons of some strains of Christianity.

This view of Christianity as a noble lie was, I believe, was common among the elites back then. It was so important to maintain the lie that you didn’t talk about it openly. You didn’t state it outright in your autobiography.

Unfortunately, today, the elites no longer have a noble-lie view of Christianity. We have a Democratic Party which promotes anti-Christian values (although still paying lip service to their personal belief in Christianity), and a Republican Party which is predominantly controlled by true believers.

One thing I like about Donald Trump is that he has a noble-lie view of Christianity.

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So how does this square with my support for Planned Parenthood?

The Christian values that are important are the support for marriage. The prohibition against non-marital sex strongly promoted marriage. Men wanted to get married so they could have sex! Women didn’t have any basis to judge their beta male provider husband’s sexual performance against alphas because her husband was the only man she ever had sex with.

Legal abortion could potentially promote Christian morality by hiding the evidence that people are breaking it. True-believing anti-abortion Christians have ironically helped to erode support for Christian morality by embracing single mothers as heroes who had the “courage” to “choose life.”

Christians today are clueless about the complete breakdown of traditional Christian sexual morality. Defunding Planned Parenthood is not going to have any good results for society at this point in time. With non-marital sex now the norm, it just results in more babies being raised by poor single mothers.

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JayMan writes in a comment:

Belief in Christianity didn’t benefit or hurt the early U.S. It was a given based on the people which comprised it.

The reason people today are abandoning Christianity (to the extent that there are) is simple: science & technology.

We no longer need God to explain disease, our origins, or why things work the way they do.The rise of atheism was inevitable.

Christianity did benefit the early U.S., but I agree that the people who moved here from Europe were already Christian and converting them wasn’t part of a Machiavellian policy of the elites. However, the elites did nourish a form of Christianity that they believed benefited the nation. Without such guidance from elites, modern U.S. Christianity has become more prole.

I do agree that abandonment of Christianity can in part be attributed to more scientific knowledge, as well as mass communication which allows atheist ideas to be disseminated. Yet despite that, the overwhelming majority of Americans still believe in Jesus Christ.

Why is the United States different from Europe (which has nearly abandoned Christianity)? Maybe because we were at the forefront of fighting the Cold War and religion distinguished us from the atheist commies? Or maybe because immigrants from Europe to the United States were selected for a genetic predisposition to be more religious? Or maybe because our diversity caused the proles to cling to their religion (as Obama pointed out).

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

February 4, 2016 at 12:06 pm

Posted in Politics, Religion

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  1. I like this post. a minor edit for you: The version am reading is titled “The nobel lie” but I think the proper spelling is “noble.” Nobel was the name of the man from Sweden that funded the Nobel Prizes.


    February 4, 2016 at 12:10 pm

    • Ha ha. When will auto-spell check evolve into robotic editors that spot mistakes like that?

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 4, 2016 at 12:19 pm

      • It would have to flag it as a question mark or something, because you might have been going for a pun.


        February 4, 2016 at 3:02 pm

    • The Nobel Lie was the 2007 award to the IPCC and Al Gore.

      (Also, the 2009 award to Obama for doing nothing… and then Mr. Peace Prize went on to launch more lethal drone strikes than his supposedly evil, warlike predecessor.)


      February 4, 2016 at 2:19 pm

  2. Belief in Christianity didn’t benefit or hurt the early U.S. It was a given based on the people which comprised it.

    The reason people today are abandoning Christianity (to the extent that there are) is simple: science & technology.

    We no longer need God to explain disease, our origins, or why things work the way they do.The rise of atheism was inevitable.


    February 4, 2016 at 12:18 pm

  3. Ah, Jayman – the genetic meatpuppet. “Nothing anyone has ever thought has any content whatsoever. Everything is genetic.”

    Yiou ever get tired of riding that hobbyhorse?


    February 4, 2016 at 12:47 pm

    • He’s only tired in the black community. You dig?


      February 4, 2016 at 7:35 pm

  4. Neo-Darwinism is not science, it is metaphysics.

    Andrew E.

    February 4, 2016 at 12:54 pm

    • Neo-Darwinism is not meta-physics. Neo-Darwinism is STRICTLY PHYSICAL. It’s granted “meta” status due a “cuck cultural correctness” when “it” is no more than a rejection of white man’s God-ordained free will. Ergo, it rejects the “meta”-physical.


      February 5, 2016 at 6:26 am

  5. I think JayMan’s theory is plausible, but only the elites are able to be influenced by scientific arguments. If the elites embraced Christianity (or pretended to) and a criticism of Christianity was as taboo, as, say HBD, this would be enough to keep most people in the Christian fold. And in fact, for much of history, criticism of religion was the ultimate intellectual taboo.

    It’s clear that in the Enlightenment era, most intellectuals adopted either Atheism or Deism, or embraced the “noble lie” view (Napoleon was another critical member of this club). Many intellectuals didn’t need Darwin to reject Christianity. I suppose Darwin helped influence many who were on the fence.

    It’s interesting that Deism today is so unpopular (relative to during the Enlightenment) when it would seem to be a scientifically unfalsifiable position. I can only attribute it to taste.

    As for difference in religiosity in Europe, I’ve often heard the argument that it’s driven by established churches. Churches in Europe, ironically, have more state support, which makes them more corrupt and lazy. Churches in the U.S. are entrepreneurial and constantly innovating to meet the needs of parishioners and compete for parishioners with other churches.

    The Catholic Church in Spain had immense support from the Francoist Dictatorship, yet religiosity in Spain utterly collapsed after Franco. Meanwhile, the Communists persecuted the Church in Poland, yet Poles are among the most religious in Europe. Of course, the Communists succeeded in crushing Orthodox belief in Russia. I think this is tied to the autocephalous nature of Orthodoxy — the Communists could control the Russian Patriarch but not the Pope.

    In the modern era, Christianity does best when it’s completely free, second best when it’s mildly persecuted, and worst when it is an organ of the government or crushed beneath a totalitarian boot.


    February 4, 2016 at 1:18 pm

    • I agree that Christianity really needs a little bit of oppression to flourish. State supported religion leaves you with….what you have in Europe. If there is any Christianity to speak of in Europe, it’s the Orthodox kind (Polish Catholicism, as you mentioned, included).

      In the US, I think it flourished because it was so widespread and diffuse that there wasn’t any real national structure so each group of believers could do what they wanted; something that isn’t really possible in a hierarchical religion. Just guessing though.

      Mike Street Station

      February 4, 2016 at 3:58 pm

  6. Trying to sustain belief in “Christian values” and “Christian morality” without actual true belief in Christianity as a religion (i.e., the supernatural basis for it – God, the Devil, heaven, hell, etc.) is impossible. The “noble lie” has failed and will always fail. If you say, “there is no God,” and also say “but follow these rules anyway,” people will naturally respond, “no, forget it, why should we?”

    The reason people today are abandoning Christianity (to the extent that there are) is simple: science & technology.

    No, it is Leftist propaganda. It is perfectly possible to have a Christian society with advanced technology – indeed, that is what we used to have.


    February 4, 2016 at 2:15 pm

    • I agree. I don’t view Darwinian evolution as contradictory to a belief in God (God, being the master creator, has his methods which can be discovered via scientific method). Yet the proponents of Evolution have reacted to the religious objections by validating these objections, rather than ju-jistuing them. They’d rather religious people be wrong rather than create common ground.

      Half Canadian

      February 4, 2016 at 4:28 pm

      • Half Canadian – I agree. Outstanding comment.


        February 4, 2016 at 11:54 pm

    • Science — evidence — will influence the intellectual vanguard, and the rest of the population may eventually follow, which is what we see with climate change. It’s tempting to say anything in history is “inevitable,” but some ideas certainly seem difficult to contain.

      It’s also tempting to think in terms of “thresholds.” When more gays and lesbians came out of the closet, it made being a homosexual less taboo. It’s difficult for most ordinary people to overcome the “yuck” response and think about these things in purely abstract terms. However, if you’ve always loved your brother or daughter, and then it turns out that person is gay, you’ll probably be more supportive. Especially with the Internet, people have been able to discuss religion in a critical way. We are free to exchange ideas, which has affected the conversation in meat-space as more and more citizens self-identify as atheist.

      Yesterday I had my intro polisci class debate “faith healing” (specifically if Christian fundamentalists should be allowed to deny their children traditional medical treatment for fatal illnesses, such as leukemia). No one argued that faith healing actually works (though I’m sure some believe it does!). It’s probably a taboo to suggest such stupid ideas because you’ll be viewed as a moron. Students laughed when I asked, “Why won’t God heal amputees?” Without the Internet I probably never would have learned the amputee argument, which is not only simple, but visual and intuitive.


      February 5, 2016 at 12:12 am

  7. There have always been two factions of American Christianity. There is elite Christianity (mainline Protestants) and prole Christianity (Fundamentalists/Evangelicals). Catholics are also prole but that’s another story. These two opposing groups have been battling it out for at least the last century in what amounts to an American religious (and political) civil war. They both see Christianity in two very distinct ways.

    Mainliners (particularly Episcopalians, Unitarians and Congregationalists) all came out of the Puritan tradition, which despite the austerity, is actually quite liberal. They were the starting point of the American progressive movement and the New England aristocracy adopted these attitudes. This led to movements in abolition, temperance, civil rights and other social justice causes. Despite being leftists, they actually believe in being like Jesus. Would Jesus send our kids to Vietnam? No. Would Jesus send a criminal to the electric chair? No. Would Jesus hate the gays? No, etc., etc. This group comprises the Patrician Centrists, essentially the establishment wings of both the Republican and Democratic parties, because this is where the deals are made. Episcopalians, in particular, are still the old stock ruling class of the USA, although elite Jews now share in this role in many respects. If you go to the highest levels of the NYC and Boston elite, the Ivy League, the old clubs and the Foundations, there is a 9 out of 10 chance that any church goers are Episcopalian or from said stock.

    Fundamentalists and Evangelicals believe in the old testament God of fire and brimstone and basically say to hell with Jesus’ whole nice guy routine. Being proles, they do not trust that either they or their children have the intelligence to make their own good decisions and therefore need a fear of hell to shield them from their own stupidity. This group makes up a good chunk of today’s red state, hard right conservative Republicans.

    The point is this: Both liberalism and conservatism in the United States were derived from two different understandings of Christianity.


    February 4, 2016 at 2:21 pm

    • “the Puritan tradition, which despite the austerity, is actually quite liberal.”

      It is also fanatical and massively self-aggrandizing. All the movements you mention — abolition, temperance, civil rights — are nothing but moral grandstanding backed by a totalitarian lash: the massive power of the state is the enforcer of some schoolmarm’s status-signalling.

      Elite Jews of course are also very liberal, and they share a lot of the moral grandstanding impulse, hence their endless willingness to spend millions building monuments to themselves — nobody donates that hospital wing anonymously. But there is also an element of hostility in elite Jewish Liberalism; they really do want to smash the nasty white proles who they perceive as a threat (however laughable that is). But then, the elite non-Jewish whites want the same thing. But they want to smash the proles out of pure social contempt — “serves them right, they’re just trash” — and both sides use NAMs as a dumb-bomb to destroy white prole neighborhoods, and even to cross-breed them out of existence. The amount of race-mixing in television and movies is pushing 100% — just about every single show or movie will have race-mixing in it. It’s rare to find one without it.


      February 4, 2016 at 3:25 pm

      • Machiavelli’s famous quote – Men must be either loved or be destroyed!


        February 4, 2016 at 4:46 pm

    • BTDT, I guess you’ve never met an elite Roman Catholic.


      February 4, 2016 at 4:10 pm

      • There is no Roman Catholic aristocratic tradition in the United States. That is reserved for Southern Europe.


        February 4, 2016 at 8:37 pm

      • “There is no Roman Catholic aristocratic tradition in the United States.”

        Actually, there is, but only in New Orleans, Mobile, and other smaller towns around the gulf coast that were settled by the Spanish and French and became prosperous before the Civil War.


        February 4, 2016 at 11:53 pm

  8. What do people here think about Obama’s trip toba mosque?

    I think he looked right at home!

    Seriously, what a god damn troll.


    February 4, 2016 at 2:25 pm

    • Islam now shares the same disease with the Multicultural West. Universalism!

      You of course, would want to befriend the White faces over the black ones!


      February 4, 2016 at 3:17 pm

      • Contrary to appearances, he is demonstrating that he is a true Christian. How so? The primary mission of today’s Christian church is Making Africans Smile. And look, there they are, smiling Africans, yay!


        February 4, 2016 at 3:54 pm

      • Islam was strictly an Arab religion, and then were passed off to the Persians, Turks, South Asians, East Asians and blacks. The entire Islamic world embraces a concept of universal brotherhood, and this becomes poignant, when Muslims of all races make their annual pilgrimage to the Hajj in Mecca. black muslims often complain about being treated like 2nd class citizens by other Muslims, who also try to avoid them like the plague.


        February 4, 2016 at 4:42 pm

  9. Christianity would seem to be important at this moment when Islam threatens to wipe out the distinction between church and state. By the way, OT but Michael Savage, reviewing The Big Short, just said, “Dr. Michael Burry, inventor of the CDO …” I guess there’s no research budget for that show. Savage correctly savages Obama for failing to rescue African Christians.


    February 4, 2016 at 4:07 pm

  10. Unlike LOB, I was both raised a Christian and remain a Christian, but I found this to be a thoughtful post and I don’t have much to disagree in the post or the comments. I will address the part on abortion.

    There are alot of different factors motivating both the organizers and the followers in the American anti-abortion movement, but to give them credit, many if not most of them sincerely believe that life begins at conception, that fetuses are fully human, and that killing fetuses are murder. Granted, I suspect that this is an intellectual belief and not really deeply held. If it were deeply held, we would have seen much more violence directed against abortion clinics and people who work there, since the logical consequence of this view is that these are the equivalent of the Nazi and Khmer Rouge camps! Though some people in the movement may sincerely believe in nonviolence, even when opposing mass murder.

    I’ve thought about this, and philosophically I think that it is impossible to determine when human life begins or ends with any precision. You try for the widest definition that society can afford. The Catholic Church actually now holds that death occurs when the brain (not the heart) stops functioning, though the implications of this stance is that it starts when the brain starts functioning, which undercuts their anti-abortion stance.

    But consciously or unconsciously, part of the motivation of the pro-life movement is a desire to make it more difficult for people, particularly women, to have sex, or at least to make sure that when they do have sex children result. Its a backwards way to accomplish their goals of shifting cultural attitudes towards sex, and particularly retarded when the world has had an overpopulation problem for some time.


    February 4, 2016 at 4:08 pm

    • As far as I’m concerned, Dr. Gosnell is now Saint Gosnell.


      February 4, 2016 at 8:53 pm

      • Mobutu – Bitter satire, of course. Gosnell, for those who did not follow the story, was a horror movie villain. And Ed, there is no pro-life movement that is of any intrinsic interest in and of itself. What is of interest is God, who loves all babies, and does not want any of them to be killed. Think about it : why would God love some one quarter Moroccan three quarter French or some one half Irish one half Ethiopian baby less than a hundred percent French baby or a hundred percent Ethiopian baby? The question answers itself.

        howitzer daniel

        February 4, 2016 at 10:07 pm

  11. B.D.T.D’s comment was interesting on the whole, but he is out of date on Episcopalians.

    The Puritans were defeated in their attempt to take over the Church of England, which is why many English Protestants left the church and became “dissenters” (Congregationalists, Presbyterians, and Methodists). Anglicans in the thirteen colonies were not well organized -for whatever reason the English government never organized bishoprics- and their beliefs were functionally closer to Methodism than to modern Anglicanism. Virginia had an established church, which all Protestants in colonial Virginia belonged too, which is why all the early Presidents except for the two Unitarians from Massachusetts are counted as “Episcopalians” regardless of their actual beliefs (which were probably deist -the Dutch Reformed Martin Van Buren may have been the first President who was actually a trinitarian Christian).

    After the collapse of Anglicanism in the colonies post Independence, some Anglican priests who had sided with the British went to Scotland and got ordained as bishops by bishops in the Scottish Episcopal Church, which unlike its English counterpart, was neither established nor very protestant. Subsequently, Anglicanism as a whole moved much closer to Catholicism. Nor is it now particularly elite these days, most Episcopalians in the US are probably from immigrant families from the Caribbean and Africa.

    Theologically and to some degree socially, what people think of as “mainline Protestantism” can be divided into Methodists/ Congregationalists/ Presbyterians, which do trace their lineage to puritanism and which fit the stereotype pretty closely, and Episcopalians and Lutherans, who are quasi-Catholic and have historically had no relation to puritanism at all. But there are too few of them to matter much, so they are lumped in with the other non-fundamentalist Protestants. The same goes, btw, for adherents of the Eastern churches, who are not even Protestant, and Unitarians, who are arguably not even Christian.

    Even among the fundis, a distinction can made between the Baptists, who try to be theologically correct Christians, and a whole bunch of smaller churches with really strange teachings.


    February 4, 2016 at 4:31 pm

  12. trump 29 and Rubio 18 in the latest poll. This same poll had Trump at 30 before IA so so far it doesn’t look like Trump’s 2nd place finish is hurting him in NH.

    There is 8% other/undecided/whatever. History shows us that the undecided portion generally breaks essentially 100% for the leading establishment candidate. It’s what happened with Kerry in IA in 2004 and it’s what happened on Monday with Rubio.

    So that means Trump would still beat Marco, but it would be close. Mark me down for Trump 27, Rubio 26.

    Otis the Sweaty

    February 4, 2016 at 5:48 pm

  13. I think the standard line about American Christianity is that its vitality proceeds from the first amendment. When you’ve got a state church, it turns into the DMV. When you force denominations to compete with each other for members, they have to be active and relevant.

    Gilbert Ratchet

    February 4, 2016 at 7:07 pm

  14. Science, especially modern biology and evolution, undermined traditional belief. But historians of the early church such as Edward Gibbon inspired many doubters even before the scientists weighed in.

    I’ve always enjoyed these quotes of Hitler bellyaching that historical accident stuck Germans with the wrong religion:

    “You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?”

    “I can imagine people being enthusiastic about the paradise of Mohammed, but as for the insipid paradise of the Christians! In your lifetime, you heard the music of Richard Wagner. After your death, it will be nothing but hallelujahs, the waving of palms, children of an age for the feeding bottle, and hoary old men. The man of the isles pays homage to the forces of nature. But Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery. A [sub-Saharan African] with his taboos is crushingly superior to the human being who seriously believes in transubstantiation.”

    “Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers […] then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies heroism and which opens up the Seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world. Christianity alone prevented them from doing so.”

    “The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death. A slow death has something comforting about it. The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science. […] The exhortation to fight courageously is also self-explanatory. Observe, by the way, that, as a corollary, the Moslem was promised a paradise peopled with sensual girls, where wine flowed in streams — a real earthly paradise. The Christians, on the other hand, declare themselves satisfied if after their death they are allowed to sing hallelujahs! …Christianity, of course, has reached the peak of absurdity in this respect. And that’s why one day its structure will collapse. Science has already impregnated humanity. Consequently, the more Christianity clings to its dogmas, the quicker it will decline.”


    Mark Caplan

    February 4, 2016 at 7:39 pm

  15. Thanks, Ed, for the interesting history on the development of religion. As to the current scene, what few ever remark upon is the damage done by the reigning theory of abortion rights. Hendrick Herzberg, editor of The New Yorker and a Harvard-educated writer of impeccable liberal credentials, once wrote a piece in The New Republic about how stupid the reasoning of Roe v. Wade is. In my view, that decision paved the way for the destruction of majority-rule democracy. I don’t think we’d have gay marriage without Douglas’ privacy legerdemain in Roe.


    February 4, 2016 at 8:04 pm

    • Douglas’ psychedelic “emanations” interpretation is found in Griswold. I believe Chief Justice Burger opposed Roe but voted with the majority so that he could assign the opinion to Blackmun (who would get death threats for the rest of his life). Burger knew that if he opposed, then Douglas, as the longest serving justice on the court and a raging egomaniac, would assign the opinion to himself.


      February 4, 2016 at 11:42 pm

    • “I don’t think we’d have gay marriage without Douglas’ privacy legerdemain in Roe.”

      Actually, that’s literally true. It’s the “substantive due process” jurisprudence which the Court invented out of whole cloth to justify making liberal caprice a constitutional mandate.


      February 4, 2016 at 11:51 pm

  16. I am a Christian and I am not clueless about the breakdown of any kind of morality. Every society – even Bibllical societies when prophets like David and Solomon were kings – were full of people who would have liked to be what God wanted them to be but who chose not to be (what God wanted them to be) because they did not want to lose out to other people in the tournament of pleasure-seeking. The drama of redemption is worked out in individual souls, not in societies. Sure most people want to spend their youth with as much physical pleasure as they can, but God calls out to all of us. Unattractive people are sometimes the lucky ones, from this point of view, and that is one reason why the whole blue pill red pill omega male alpha male lucky high SMV women discussions get so much worried traction on the inter webs. As for Franklin, he was not so much a Straussian unbeliever as a clever but simple-minded little boy and then a similar little young man and then a little old man who wanted to eat as much cotton candy at the fair as he could, while maintaining a veneer of common sense and wisdom so he would not be mocked by his fellow high-IQ contemporaries.

    howitzer daniel

    February 4, 2016 at 8:51 pm

  17. Lion takes the actual ideas of religions way too seriously. Religion is mainly social grouping. You belong to a religion because you were either born into it, or you want to associate with the people in it. Beliefs have little or nothing to do with it


    February 4, 2016 at 10:00 pm

  18. Anti-Christianity is nothing more than another screed aimed at white people, to further atomize, deracinate and eventually destroy them.

    Let’s split the difference: White people and devout Religious Christians were put on Earth by God, while non-Whites, Liberals and Atheists all evolved from monkeys within their respective continents. Monkeys, Liberals and Atheists and their descendants do not have Souls, so the issue of abortion is not a moral question for them. These types of soulless animal can go abort themselves all they want.

    See, everything is preserved. The non-White, Liberal and Atheist should have subsidized abortion on-demand, reflecting their mantra of “my body, my choice.” Meanwhile, the devout, Christian, White person, should have their abortion “rights” heavily restricted. Everybody wins. The bad people get what they want and the good people get what they want.

    This is a serious “black knighting” argument that I would like to see from devout believers, instead of running around trying to save everybody and giving the Left a platform on which to grand-stand. Christians, instead, choose to cast pearls before swine.

    I’d imagine that a patrician like Trump probably sees the matter in similar terms.

    Once again, the Left does not think things through and, instead, depends on the kindness of the Christians to blind their logic.


    February 4, 2016 at 10:04 pm

    • Jesus wan’t white he was Middle Eastern. A religion for white people would be Asatru.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 5, 2016 at 1:24 am

      • The religion for the high IQ white man is the worship of objective Supremacy, ie., Perfection. And ONLY Christianity claims the existence of Perfection both empirically and metaphysically.

        And of course, a race of men who worship Perfection more fervently and faithfully than all other race of men IS A SUPERIOR race of men.


        February 5, 2016 at 6:20 am

      • Christianity is a non-white religion from the middle east. Asatru is the religion for the superior race.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 5, 2016 at 9:01 am

      • I like this “Thordaddy” guy. he makes me want to subscribe to his newsletter.

        The common belief is that Christianity is a thoroughly White religion, having been purged from its original homeland and migrated elsewhere.


        February 5, 2016 at 10:08 pm

  19. It’s interesting that Lion has in the past posted numerous times (correctly) on the importance of social proof in determining what people believe, pointing out that people don’t believe what they believe because of rational, logical arguments, but because it’s what other people believe–yet when it comes to religion, he, and commenters like JayMan, suddenly think the decline in religious belief is because of rational reasons like scientific explanations for things.

    Don’t you think social proof could be influencing these people too? I know my own faith is weaker because I see so many intelligent people being nonreligious or even anti-religious. It would be much stronger if Oxford biology professors were writing bestselling books arguing in favor of the existence of God instead.


    February 4, 2016 at 10:21 pm

  20. If one really doesn’t know what Christianty claims then one can barely be considered he with a real rebuttal to Christianity. The chaos of our time is not from those who believe in objective Supremacy, ie,, Perfection, but from those that deny “it” while trying to impose their own stunted and perverted conception of “it.” The “progressive” social engineers (like jay man) seek to “perfect man” at the very same time that they reject Perfection. Total chaos ensues.


    February 5, 2016 at 12:24 am

  21. Hey, good post and comments. Lion, I’m in israel for two weeks already. Drop everything and come here. This is where we belong.


    February 5, 2016 at 4:13 am

    • I don’t speak Hebrew. And Israel is a doomed country.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 5, 2016 at 8:55 am

      • Really? You think it’s doomed? Why?

        Mike Street Station

        February 5, 2016 at 10:17 am

      • That claim is worth a long blog post of its own.

        My reaction is that like Europe and the USA, Israel can only be defeated by enemies within – treasonous Leftists and loss of the will to live – not by their external opponents, who are militarily worthless rabble.


        February 5, 2016 at 10:34 am

      • Israel is being abandoned by the developed world which used to support it. Muslims have been developing a religious ideology of destroy Israel above all else. Iran is developing nukes. Saudis may acquire nukes from Pakistan. The long-game doesn’t look good for Israel.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 5, 2016 at 10:53 am

  22. If the US standard of living dropped considerably the masses would FLEE back to Christianity.

    Man doesn’t abandon religion until he feels that he is well off…


    February 5, 2016 at 1:25 pm

  23. Unfortunately for conservative atheists, libertarianism reigns supreme as the official atheist wing of the right.


    February 5, 2016 at 3:30 pm

  24. The noble lie originated with Plato (Republic III, c414-5): philosophers would push these tales onto the populace for their own good. Schopenhauer also viewed religion as practical philosophy for the masses (a very poor substitute for real philosophy in his view). Nietzsche thought that once we found the true philosophy we could construct a new and superior religion as a way of propagating it. “Rationalism for the few and magic for the many,” as Jakob Burckhardt said (in his case apropos of 19th-century religion).


    February 5, 2016 at 11:06 pm

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