Lion of the Blogosphere

Surprised to see this in a NY Times article

In an article in the NY Times:

Mr. Fehrnstrom, [Scott] Brown’s former consultant, called the Republican Party leaders’ redirection on immigration after the 2012 election a huge miscalculation.

“They told their candidates to support a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants as a way to increase outreach to Hispanics,” said Mr. Fehrnstrom, who also advised Mitt Romney in the 2012 presidential race.

“And candidates who followed that advice are struggling. Donald Trump went in the opposite direction and he has total command of the 2016 field.”

Of course this is correct, but who would have expected to see correct analysis of the immigration issue in the New York Times?

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

February 5, 2016 at 11:58 pm

Posted in Immigration, Politics

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  1. What ethnicity is Mr. Fehrnstrom?

    AnonymousCoward

    February 6, 2016 at 12:49 am

    • prob German American. Def not Jewish, if that’s what you’re getting at.

      Otis the Sweaty

      February 6, 2016 at 8:05 am

      • Ok, my comments are getting through, so let me explain this again to The Undiscovered Jew:

        “Of course that’s what he’s getting at.”

        The Undiscovered Jew, that’s not what I was getting at, and your inference makes no sense.

        a) Eric is obviously not jewish. There is nothing jewish about his name or appearance. b) Eric was arguing the case AGAINST open borders, and advising the GOP to take a position AGAINST open borders.

        How does it make sense for you to infer that I’m sneakily implying that Eric is a jew, arguing FOR open borders? It doesn’t. You’re being paranoid.

        There are interesting ethnicity spectra beyond the simple jew/gentile binary. I can understand your high emphasis on your own ethnicity, but it’s a cognitive bias I’d suggest that you moderate.

        AnonymousCoward

        February 6, 2016 at 9:09 pm

      • “How does it make sense for you to infer that I’m sneakily implying that Eric is a jew”

        It sounded that way because anti-Semitic commenters always do that. And I don’t want TUJ to moderate his bias or check his privilege or whatever.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 6, 2016 at 9:15 pm

      • “How does it make sense for you to infer that I’m sneakily implying that Eric is a jew”

        It seemed like a comment other antisemitic commenters make. Since that wasn’t your intent, I apologize. I still think Lion should ban commenters who want to blame Jews exclusively for immigration. Especially since the theory Jews are secret drivers behind immigration was made by MacDonald, who has been caught lying and distorting what his scholarly sources say. According to his sources, Jews opposed the 1924 act because they wanted to secure refuge for Jews facing persecution, not because they wanted non-white immigration. The 1965 act as originally written wouldn’t have dramatically altered the countries demographics if not for illegal immigration (which wasn’t a major problem in ’65) and increasing immigration from 600,000 to 1 million a year in 1990. For the first ten years, a plurality of immigration slots went to backlogged Italian immigrants. I don’t see how the authors could have had 51 years of foresight into demographic changes.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 6, 2016 at 9:26 pm

      • “And I don’t want TUJ to moderate his bias or check his privilege or whatever.”

        Destructive, undisciplined self-indulgence.

        AnonymousCoward

        February 6, 2016 at 9:32 pm

    • if that’s what you’re getting at.

      Of course that’s what he’s getting at.

      We seem to be getting a lot of antisemitic comments on here who are excited by the illusion Trump (and Putin, who very clubby with Jewish Russian oligarchs) is an antisemite. Now I’m sure neoconservatives and antisemites are desperate for any kind of political success on account of their movements being a failed freakshow of white trash and cranks thanks to the likes of Buchanan running them into the ground by saying nonsense such as America deserved to be attacked on 911, or Neville Chamberlain was the aggressor who caused WWII.

      But that doesn’t give them the right to post here. Can we have some moderator bannings of those commenters?

      The Undiscovered Jew

      February 6, 2016 at 9:12 am

      • If I had caught the anti-Semitic nature of the comment, it would have been deleted.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 6, 2016 at 9:15 am

      • If I had caught the anti-Semitic nature of the comment, it would have been deleted.

        You can still delete the comment now, and any future comments coming from that person in the future.

        I also suggest permanently banning commenters who want to blame Jewish elites exclusively for open borders and ignore the role of gentile elites (if they blame both, that would be more factual and acceptable).

        Jews didn’t open the West’s borders no matter how much (or little…) paleoconservative bloggers make from online donations riling up their readership with that lie.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 6, 2016 at 9:23 am

      • Well, it’s a little more complicated,

        Trump’s daughter is married to a Jewish guy. It’s hard to see how he could get away with being antisemitic in New York City real estate.

        Putin, as you say, is in bed with various Russian Jewish oligarchs…but he was most famous for crushing various other Russian Jewish oligarchs and redistributing corruption from Russian Jewish oligarchs to Russian Orthodox oligarchs. He has made no actions against ordinary Russian Jews, who have mostly gone to America or Israel anyway.

        But these guys have lots of antisemitic fans, what with Trump channeling white nationalism and Putin being anti-American (remember, lots of people overseas think America is a Jewish puppet).

        SFG

        February 6, 2016 at 9:27 am

      • Trump’s daughter is married to a Jewish guy. It’s hard to see how he could get away with being antisemitic in New York City real estate.

        And he has two Jewish grandchildren and a third on the way. From an Israeli perspective having Jewish grandchildren is almost as good a guarantee that Trump won’t pursue anything remotely anti-Israel as if he had converted to Judaism himself. But antisemites oddly keep seeing in his candidacy a path to political relevance.

        Putin, as you say, is in bed with various Russian Jewish oligarchs…but he was most famous for crushing various other Russian Jewish oligarchs

        He cracked down on some of them because they weren’t playing political ball with him. He wasn’t singling them out because of their ethnicity.

        Anyway, the smart nationalist play in Europe has been to ditch any connection with Hitler and their parties, whether that connection was real or flimsy to non-existent, and dump the anti-Israel obsessives.

        Trump has succeeded because he got rid of Buchanan’s baggage over:

        * anti-ZIonism and Islam apologetics – no American troops are stationed in Israel and they have nothing to do with our immigration policies. And defending Muslim territorial claims is ridiculous since they’ve been stealing other countries lands whenever they had the opportunity.

        * Hitler revisionism – he wanted to destroy super-blonde Lithuania because they were ‘too Slavic’ for his tastes

        * His bizarre idolization of WASPs – New England WASPs have been liberal since the end of FDR’s presidency, were the nation’s ‘aristocracy’ only because Lincoln destroyed the Southern plantation aristocracy as a national force, and love intermarrying with Northeastern Jews

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 6, 2016 at 10:18 am

      • Are you kidding me? Neoconservatives — the leadership — are mostly Jewish, not anti-semites.

        CamelCaseRob

        February 6, 2016 at 12:51 pm

      • Ironic that Jews are hated for being liberal, but they also dominate in conservative circles as well.

        The truth is that Jews are disproportionately represented in all fields that require high verbal IQ, and political punditry is such a field. Jews are not represented in the Christian Right for obvious reasons. (Or if it’s not obvious, it’s because Jews are Jewish and not Christian.)

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 6, 2016 at 1:21 pm

      • I basically agree with TUJ, though a few comments:

        *It’s anyone’s guess as to why Putin does anything (apart from Putin, of course).

        *Nazi connections don’t play well in a lot of Europe with the general public because the Nazis started the biggest war in human history and killed thousands to millions of people in every country they passed through. It’s not because they like Jews, it’s because ranting about Jews makes people think you are a Nazi, and people in Europe have bad memories of the Nazis.

        *Trump probably calculated carefully which groups he could go after. As you point out, the rest of the country doesn’t have it in for Israel, so ranting about how bad they are doesn’t get you any points. Eventually they’re going to get tired of their treatment of the Palestinians (which, honestly, they can’t really avoid–this is one of those no-win situations), but that point hasn’t arrived yet.

        *Buchanan is looking back to the 1950s, when there were restricted hotels and gentlemen’s clubs. Actual Northeastern WASPs don’t seem that antisemitic now, as you point out.

        SFG

        February 6, 2016 at 1:21 pm

      • The truth is that Jews are disproportionately represented in all fields that require high verbal IQ, and political punditry is such a field. Jews are not represented in the Christian Right for obvious reasons. (Or if it’s not obvious, it’s because Jews are Jewish and not Christian.)

        And what’s your explanation for the christian rights obsession over Israel? The cliche is that support for Israel is really antisemitic because Jews aren’t going to fare very well in the second coming. But I say if Jews are getting what they want in reality and only punished in what is almost certainly just a Christian fantasy then it’s the Christians who are being manipulated.

        Lloyd Llewellyn

        February 6, 2016 at 1:36 pm

      • I don’t know why they support Israel, I don’t hang in evangelical circles.

        My guess would be because they are the Old Testament is Jewish.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 6, 2016 at 2:15 pm

      • What ethnicity is Mr. Fehrnstrom?

        What’s anti-Semitic about that question?

        E. Rekshun

        February 6, 2016 at 1:58 pm

      • We assume he thinks the name sounds Jewish and he’s hinting at a Vast Jewish Conspiracy to control politics. That’s standard anti-Semitism.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 6, 2016 at 2:17 pm

      • Yes, if the Jew was solely responsible for mass immigration into white countries then it would not say much for the good sense of whites, to allow themselves to be led by the nose by a hostile and malevolent small fraction of people. Bear in mind that the Jew is only 0.5% of the British population and the British liberal establishment is infected with the same destructive impulses as anywhere else in the West.

        martin_2

        February 6, 2016 at 3:00 pm

      • LotB: We assume he thinks the name sounds Jewish and he’s hinting at a Vast Jewish Conspiracy to control politics. That’s standard anti-Semitism.

        True, he’s probably hinting at a vast Jewish Conspiracy, and that’s paranoia but it’s hardly anti-Semitism.

        According to Wikipedia, anti-Semitism is “prejudice against, hatred of, or discrimination against Jews as an ethnic, religious, or racial group.”

        Remember, the liberal media says disagreeing with Pres. Obama on policy is racism.

        E. Rekshun

        February 6, 2016 at 4:55 pm

      • Anti-Semitism takes the form of implying a Vast Jewish Conspiracy. Just because anti-Semites think they have a valid reason for hating Jews (the Vast Jewish Conspiracy that controls everything at the expense of gentile prole whites) doesn’t mean it’s not anti-Semitism. And there’s NO JEWISH CONSPIRACY.

        Only people who hate Jews think there’s a Vast Jewish Conspiracy, and they are unable to post anything on the internet without hinting at it.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 6, 2016 at 5:08 pm

      • “We assume he thinks the name sounds Jewish and he’s hinting at a Vast Jewish Conspiracy to control politics. That’s standard anti-Semitism.”

        I think that a lot of what gets labeled anti-Semitism fits better with your first explanation that “The truth is that Jews are disproportionately represented in all fields that require high verbal IQ.”

        People are no more enamored with someone who beats them with talent than they are someone who beats them with the benefit of some organized conspiracy. The organized conspiracy theory simply provides a pretext to protect pride. With talent, people simply assume you are using your God given talents for hostile purposes, and in some instances they may be correct.

        Sailer has effectively said that he believes Rubio to be the puppet of some (presumably) much smarter Jewish string pullers. Probably guys with Goldman-like interests. Looking at this doof (Rubio) hardly makes such considerations seem preposterous. So, is Sailer advancing an anti-Semitic theme here or should this simply been interpreted as smart Jews looking out for their best interests, interests that Gentiles would also pursue if they were equally smart (or may be pursuing only we don’t hear about them)? Sure, Rubio could just as easily be the patsy of smarter Gentile string pullers, but many Gentiles aren’t as receptive to such arrangements as they are the notion that Jews are arranging such things. Or perhaps the Gentiles are simply assuming that the smarter people MUST be arranging such things, that staying one step ahead is proof of being smarter. Are these Gentiles or Nationalists or some combination of the two anti-Semites for assuming Jews the more likely culprits? I assume TUJ would say yes. What do you say?

        Curle

        February 6, 2016 at 5:04 pm

      • Come on, Lion! I’ve already made clear that I was NOT implying that a name ending in -strom sounds jewish, and for that matter, that Undiscovered Jew’s inference makes no sense.

        AnonymousCoward

        February 6, 2016 at 6:21 pm

      • I’ll weigh in here, for what my opinion’s worth.

        I think you should allow antisemitic comments rather than parsing out whether someone’s comments are sufficiently prejudiced. OK, why? I have a moral and a practical argument.

        1. The greatest threats to free speech these days are coming from the left. SJWs endlessly agonize whether this group or that group is underrepresented, whether wearing a toe ring is a form of cultural appropriation, whether Iggy Azalea is allowed to sound black without showing remorse about it, and so on. Do you really want to be like those people, spending time parsing whether someone’s criticism of Jewish elites gives sufficient time to the evildoing of gentile elites?

        2. This isn’t Heartiste or even Unz, it’s a haven for the tiny fraction of Jewish or part-Jewish paleocons out there. Antisemites are in the minority. You’re not going to be flooded by Stormfronters. Most of the commenters are going to pile on anyone who starts spouting Nazi or white nationalist propaganda. And it’s not Slate Star Codex where you have thousands of comments to wade through. You can handle a few Whining Nazis.

        SFG

        February 6, 2016 at 6:23 pm

      • “I think you should allow antisemitic comments”

        That sounds nice and free speech, but practically the comment section would become a breeding ground for anti-Semitism. You’re quite wrong about not being flooded. By deleting most of the comments, most of the anti-Semites go back to Stormfront or wherever the come from.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 6, 2016 at 6:25 pm

      • I’m guessing you spend half your day deleting antisemitic comments we never get to see? (Serious question.)

        Hey, it’s your blog.

        SFG

        February 6, 2016 at 6:27 pm

      • There are more anti-Semitic comments than you realize.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 6, 2016 at 6:37 pm

      • Please don’t arbitrarily censor some of my posts. I’ve explained to TUJ why it made no sense to infer anti-semitism from my comment, but when you’ve removed my ability to explain this to him, this causes my other posts to appear to be out of context.

        AnonymousCoward

        February 6, 2016 at 8:46 pm

      • “If I had caught the anti-Semitic nature of the comment, it would have been deleted.”

        It was not.

        Here’s a comment from me which you could fairly say is “anti-semitic”:

        It’s not uncommon for jews to err on the side of caution, and infer anti-semitism once too often, rather than once too seldom.

        This is off-putting. It’s the jewish version of the gentile “blaming jews for everything”.

        AnonymousCoward

        February 6, 2016 at 8:56 pm

      • And what’s your explanation for the christian rights obsession over Israel?

        Because Israel is Christ’s homeland. It’s no more irrational for Christians fear over the future of Israel than it is for Muslims to worry about Mecca, if Mecca were under perpetual military threat like Israel. The Crusaders also fought hard to recapture Jesus’ old stomping grounds, were Louis IX and Richard the Lionheart under the spell of Dark Age neocons?

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 6, 2016 at 9:21 pm

      • Sailer has effectively said that he believes Rubio to be the puppet of some (presumably) much smarter Jewish string pullers.

        So what does that have to do with my point? He never mentions gentile elites wanting the same as Braman.

        ‘Schumer-Rubio’ could just as well be called Reid-Rubio since Reid was as guilty of pushing amnesty as Schumer was. But you’d think reading him that Schumer was the only Democrat in the Senate.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 6, 2016 at 9:30 pm

      • So, is Sailer advancing an anti-Semitic theme here or should this simply been interpreted as smart Jews looking out for their best interests,

        Because current immigration doesn’t help Jewish interests. Urban areas where Jews live have been more dramatically changed for the worse over the last 50 years than heartland states. How did driving Jews out of Stuy and replacing them with Chinese help “Jewish” interests?

        No historian of immigration policy has said Jews wanted to use immigration as a policy for their ethnic interests except MacDonald, who as I’ve shown has lied repeatedly about what his sources say, often sources that directly contradict his thesis.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 6, 2016 at 9:36 pm

      • *It’s anyone’s guess as to why Putin does anything (apart from Putin, of course).

        True enough. But his actions are at least clues to what he thinks. So far those actions point to him being comfortable with Jews more than any other conclusion.

        It’s not because they like Jews, it’s because ranting about Jews makes people think you are a Nazi,

        I didn’t say they liked Jews. But the historically most antisemitic parties have deemphasized Jews like Marine Le Pen (and arguably her father later in his career) while other parties like those in Scandinavia, the Low countries, and Britain are favorable. None of them are obsessed with Jews like paleconservatives and antisemites are.

        Eventually they’re going to get tired of their treatment of the Palestinians (which, honestly, they can’t really avoid–this is one of those no-win situations), but that point hasn’t arrived yet.

        Americans will get tired of them, or the Israelis?

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 6, 2016 at 9:41 pm

    • Last names ending with -strom are usually Swedish, I think.

      SD

      February 6, 2016 at 9:51 am

      • That was my guess as well, but it’s hard to be sure. People with surnames ending in -strom sadly tend to be overrepresented among xenophiles and cathedral-conformists, as Sweden can attest.

        AnonymousCoward

        February 6, 2016 at 10:27 am

    • Don’t the back-end tools within WordPress tell you what sites each poster is coming from?

      Camlost

      February 6, 2016 at 9:11 pm

  2. Donald trump has total command of WHAT? The 2016 “field”? He has lost the only actual vote that has been placed, and almost tied with someone who polled at a third of his level of support. He commands exactly dick.

    Lolcat

    February 6, 2016 at 3:48 am

    • Iowa is a weird state because of the caucus. Trump dominates the non-ideological prole-white vote.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 6, 2016 at 9:00 am

      • ok dude. but the non-ideological vote in a Republican primary shouldn’t be that large. I mean most voters in a Republican primary are going to say they are at least, mildly conservative. I am a weird native Iowan that suspects Trump will do well throughout the whole East coast and South but his stupidity might keep from the prize. Frankly, I wish he would win it and put Ivanka in charge.

        mark

        February 6, 2016 at 11:10 am

      • I don’t think Trump is stupid.Not a lot of people can boycott debates and not look like a wimp.

        I do think he’s staked his candidacy on a hardcore-prole strategy that might not play nationally.

        SFG

        February 6, 2016 at 1:11 pm

      • “One Trick Pony” Trump fell off from his high horse after his loss in Iowa. If he loses in NH, I presume it’s completely over for him.

        JS

        February 6, 2016 at 5:50 pm

    • 64% of the voters were Evangelicals and Cruz won them 31% to 24% over Trump. And Trump lost by only 3 points. It’s a disappointing result only because the polls, because of under-weighting Evangelical turnout, anticipated a Trump win. Given the structural advantages Evangelical candidates have, it’s actually a respectable result.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      February 6, 2016 at 9:18 am

  3. Even a majority of Democrats support cutting back on immigration. I bet Trump would have been in the lead even if he ran in the Democratic primary.

    What do you think of this WP article in which Dana Milbank accuses Ted Cruz of antisemitism? “New York values” is suppose to be an euphemism for “Jewish.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-nastiness-of-ted-cruz/2016/02/05/2cfbfde0-cc2c-11e5-a7b2-5a2f824b02c9_story.html?postshare=2681454716224974&tid=ss_fb-bottom

    Jimi

    February 6, 2016 at 5:28 am

    • I thought it was a euphemism for ‘on my third wife and professional scam artist from the big city Midwesterners despise’, not ‘Jewish’. Since when is Trump Jewish? He let his daughter marry one, sure, but this strikes me as a bridge too far.

      A lot of these guys see antisemites under every bed. I’m not saying, after all my time on Unz and CH, that they don’t exist, but not everything has to do with the Jews. Urban-rural tensions are part of every country’s politics.

      SFG

      February 6, 2016 at 9:31 am

      • Trump is culturally as Jewish as Bernie Sanders.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 6, 2016 at 9:39 am

      • Trump is culturally as Jewish as Bernie Sanders.

        With Jewish grandchildren Trump will be almost as reliably pro-Israel as if he were a convert. As I’ve said numerous times, intermarriage with white gentiles has closed off any possibility of success for American antisemitism. If 5% of white Americans are at least a quarter Jewish, then probably another 15% of white Americans with no Jewish ancestry have Jews in their immediate family as spouses, children, grandchildren, and other close relatives.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 6, 2016 at 10:22 am

      • As I’ve said numerous times, intermarriage with white gentiles has closed off any possibility of success for American antisemitism.

        So stop obsessing over it. And, barring that, at least come up with a better argument than pointing out that ultra orthodox have a different (much much worse overall) set of flaws than those of other Americans jews and don’t support immigration to the same degree. You can’t just pretend that American jews somehow magically combine the best elements of ultra and non ultra orthodox ideology.

        Lloyd Llewellyn

        February 6, 2016 at 11:31 am

      • The “alt-right” people obsess over Jews secretly controlling everything. Why should they be the only people to obsess?

        Jews at least have a legitimate reason to obsess over anti-Semitism, given the experience of the Holocaust which many Jews alive today are still old enough to personally remember. I predict in 20 years, things will be different because everyone old enough to remember the Nuremberg trials will be dead.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 6, 2016 at 1:18 pm

      • ‘”With Jewish grandchildren Trump will be almost as reliably pro-Israel as if he were a convert.”

        I don’t think that it’s a matter of the anti semites on the Alt Right not recognizing that, but any candidate being anti amnesty and and willing to shut off the flow of Muslims into this country would get their support and vote. If it was Rubio instead of Trump, they would be with him.

        If it was Bernie Sanders instead of Trump, they would figure out a way to rationalize their support of Sanders.

        Mike Street Station

        February 6, 2016 at 12:04 pm

      • Trump will be *more* reliably pro-Israel than Bernie Sanders, who might force Israel to the table as part of a social-justice initiative.

        And I think Sanders would be a bridge too far for the alt-right. Remember, for those guys race is everything. Trump isn’t actually, genetically, descended from Ashekenazi Jews; Sanders is.

        For me, race is important at the population level because it carries with it average levels of qualities like intelligence and conscientiousness, but individual people are judged as individuals. I’d rather see an immigration policy predicated on skills we need–I’m happy to see the country let in small numbers of smart people regardless of their national origins, whereas large numbers of unemployed peasants drag down wages at the bottom of the scale.

        SFG

        February 6, 2016 at 6:33 pm

      • The country doesn’t need any more skills. So many smart people are underemployed as it is.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 6, 2016 at 6:39 pm

      • “As I’ve said numerous times, intermarriage with white gentiles has closed off any possibility of success for American antisemitism. If 5% of white Americans are at least a quarter Jewish, then probably another 15% of white Americans with no Jewish ancestry have Jews in their immediate family as spouses, children, grandchildren, and other close relatives.”

        Lamentably, this is not true. Remember Weimar Germany? There were lots of quarter and half Jews scattered throughout the German elite, and the Germans actually kicked them out and sent them to Auschwitz. It did huge damage to their scientific stature and may have cost them the Bomb and with it, the war, but they did it.

        Sure, the USA isn’t Weimar Germany, but intermarriage isn’t enough.

        SFG

        February 6, 2016 at 6:42 pm

      • So stop obsessing over it.

        Antisemitic commenters are the ones obsessing over it on a Jewish blog. I don’t hang out on antisemitic websites. But if they keep bringing up their talking points that obvious lies, they should expect to be called out on it, or, better, get their facts right.

        http://cis.org/ReligionAndImmigrationPoll

        In contrast to many religious leaders, most members think immigration is too high.

        Jews: 50 percent said it is too high; 5 percent said is too low; 22 percent just right.

        http://www.jta.org/news/article/2010/10/12/2741253/poll-jewish-support-for-obama-falling

        The survey asked its Jewish respondents: “A new law in Arizona gives police the power to ask people they’ve stopped to verify their residency status. Supporters say this will help crack down on illegal immigration. Opponents say it could violate civil rights and lead to racial profiling. On balance, do you support or oppose this law?”

        The result was a slim majority in favor of the law: 52 percent to 46 percent.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 6, 2016 at 9:49 pm

      • And, barring that, at least come up with a better argument than pointing out that ultra orthodox have a different (much much worse overall) set of flaws than those of other Americans jews and don’t support immigration to the same degree.

        Jews oppose more immigration. I’ve posted polls showing Jews want less numerous times, but this lie keeps getting repeated. Did you not see the polls or are you just lying? The meme Jews are running immigration was a smear invented by paleoconservatives to do fundraising, but then you expect not to be called out on it on a blog owned by a Jew?

        http://cis.org/ReligionAndImmigrationPoll

        In contrast to many religious leaders, most members think immigration is too high.

        Jews: 50 percent said it is too high; 5 percent said is too low; 22 percent just right.

        http://www.jta.org/news/article/2010/10/12/2741253/poll-jewish-support-for-obama-falling

        The survey asked its Jewish respondents: “A new law in Arizona gives police the power to ask people they’ve stopped to verify their residency status. Supporters say this will help crack down on illegal immigration. Opponents say it could violate civil rights and lead to racial profiling. On balance, do you support or oppose this law?”

        The result was a slim majority in favor of the law: 52 percent to 46 percent.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 6, 2016 at 9:50 pm

      • Lamentably, this is not true. Remember Weimar Germany? There were lots of quarter and half Jews scattered throughout the German elite, and the Germans actually kicked them out and sent them to Auschwitz.

        In Germany’s case the proportion affected wasn’t as significant as America.

        Jews were 0.5% of Germany’s population, and only 30% of them were intermarried with Germans. Jewish Americans are 3% of all white Americans, and 70% have intermarried. That makes the challenge for antisemites much more significant than what Hitler had to consider, and even Hitler made numerous exceptions for partial-Jews.

        It did huge damage to their scientific stature and may have cost them the Bomb and with it, the war, but they did it.

        It certainly did:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Grothendieck

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 6, 2016 at 10:05 pm

      • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Grothendieck

        Grothendieck is considered by many to be the greatest mathematician of the 20th century.[50] In an obituary David Mumford and John Tate wrote:

        Although mathematics became more and more abstract and general throughout the 20th century, it was Alexander Grothendieck who was the greatest master of this trend. His unique skill was to eliminate all unnecessary hypotheses and burrow into an area so deeply that its inner patterns on the most abstract level revealed themselves–and then, like a magician, show how the solution of old problems fell out in straightforward ways now that their real nature had been revealed.[50]

        By the 1970s, Grothendieck’s work was seen as influential not only in algebraic geometry, and the allied fields of sheaf theory and homological algebra,[51] but had an impact on logic, in the field of categorical logic.[52]

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 6, 2016 at 10:09 pm

      • “Because current immigration doesn’t help Jewish interests.”

        Population growth helps most of Wall Street especially when the Fed keeps the price of money low. Buffet (no Jew) has explained this time and again, if you have access to cheap money, you have low labor prices (and other inflation) and you can count on growth in consumer demand due to population growth you will make money. It is nice and safe way to make money. If you are a banker holding bad mortgages your best hope to fill empty houses is a growth in demand (by people who will seek even more loans from which you will earn fees). Both Gentiles and Jews with major consumer spending driven investments benefit from immigration and it is certainly not a Jewish-oriented interest as much as a rich-oriented interest. However, to the extent Jews are major players on Wall Street they will be associated with immigration.

        Whether MacDonald has or has not lied to bolster belief in his theories is less important than whether MacDonald’s ideas seem plausible to your average non-Jew. To the extent any group is viewed as elevating some aspect of their identity over their American identity and simultaneously has high-profile members involved in movements largely hostile to the native culture (Leftists/Southern Poverty Law Center), has members who pretend native culture doesn’t exist (Jaffe) or pushes aggressively for a global culture (multiculturalists/globalists) the group as a whole runs the risk of being identified as hostile to the native culture and any argument like MacDonald’s that this group is open to ‘watering down’ the domestic culture through immigration are more likely to be taken seriously. The antidote, of course, is sites like this one and other outward manifestations of conservative aspirations. Whether it will be enough to counter the impression left by the SPLC and others is another matter.

        Curle

        February 6, 2016 at 11:51 pm

    • What planet does Dana Milbank live on? In what Down syndrome imagination does a GOP presidential candidate deliberately dog-whistle antisemitism during a US presidential debate.

      AnonymousCoward

      February 6, 2016 at 10:34 am

    • Yes, I would say Cruz is anti-Semitic, and “New York values” is code for “too Jewish”

      ScarletNumber

      February 6, 2016 at 12:56 pm

      • Or NYC could be a code word for a Jewish town. Manhattan is the epitome of Jewishness that one defines in Seinfeld. High strung, neurotic, self-segregated, surliness, socially liberal, pretentiousness, and materialistic are a few words so trademark of the citizens of Manhattan. Demographic-wise, there are more Jews in Manhattan than any other borough of NYC. Reasons: Expensive Manhattan attracts Jews, who are generally wealthier than their gentile counterparts, and most important, Jewish developers control the majority of its real estate. Jews in Manhattan, however, are not the prime movers and shakers. The landlord does not define a shop/neighborhood that is cool and trendy. This is where Jews are underrepresented.

        JS

        February 6, 2016 at 4:42 pm

      • Manhattan attracts people with high verbal IQs, and Jews happen to have high verbal IQs.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 6, 2016 at 5:06 pm

      • * Perhaps there is a grain of truth to this: The paucity of East Asians in Manhattan might be your testimonial, when compared to other professional driven – SWPL regions.

        JS

        February 6, 2016 at 5:41 pm

      • I think ‘New York values’ is code for ‘I’m on my third wife and joked about sleeping with my daughter’, which is a perfectly valid criticism of Trump for an evangelical Christian.

        And yes, I still thrilled to Trump defending my hometown.

        SFG

        February 6, 2016 at 6:26 pm

      • There’s another reason, the one the Jewish communities of the south are dying.

        If you’re at all religious, you need to be around other Jews to have a religious community–you can’t just find a church that you kind of like. There have to be ten of you who show up on Saturday. So Jews will tend to congregate in areas and avoid being pioneers unless they’re willing to leave their heritage behind.

        SFG

        February 6, 2016 at 6:35 pm

      • Remember the movie the Frisco Kid?

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 6, 2016 at 6:40 pm

  4. Trump still has not: won the nomination, won the presidency, unequivocally said that he’s not just going to let back in the majority of the people who are here illegally, or given any details how he plans to deport people humanely enough that any support he enjoyed for the idea doesn’t vanish as soon as the media starts reporting on what he’s dong.

    He has to do all four of these things.

    Lloyd Llewellyn

    February 6, 2016 at 11:24 am

  5. I’ve seen truth telling like this from the Elite before and it’s a call to all members of the elite to come up with a way to answer the threat.

    CamelCaseRob

    February 6, 2016 at 1:04 pm

  6. Well, these Hispanic immigrants are going to be the next super software engineers and will develop the next generation of killer apps!

    LA Times, 02/05/16 – Salinas hopes to turn farm workers’ children into computer scientists

    http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-salinas-ag-tech-20160207-story.html

    With one foot in its fields and another edged toward Silicon Valley, Salinas is trying to reboot itself as the agricultural technology center of California. It hopes to turn the sons and daughters of farmworkers, like Molina, into coders for the next generation of data-driven, automated farming in a valley known as the salad bowl of the world…Andy Matsui, a Japanese immigrant who turned 50 acres into a fortune in orchids, kicked in $2.9 million to start a three-year computer science program at Hartnell College and Cal State Monterey Bay.

    With all these protected-classes (women, blacks, and the children of farm workers) chasing (watered-down) CS degrees, the job market will be flooded in a couple of years resulting in high unemployment and low wages for these folks. Oh, and a Coder is not a Computer Scientist.

    E. Rekshun

    February 6, 2016 at 1:55 pm

    • Hispanics immigrants have rendered black people in America obsolete, and working class whites will see the same fate with certain trades.

      In NYC, Italian Americans no longer knead dough in pizza shops in large numbers, they pass the buck to Speedy.

      Parasitic SWPLs are just as useless as some of our non-Whites!

      JS

      February 6, 2016 at 2:39 pm

    • With all these protected-classes (women, blacks, and the children of farm workers) chasing (watered-down) CS degrees, the job market will be flooded in a couple of years resulting in high unemployment and low wages for these folks. Oh, and a Coder is not a Computer Scientist.

      It’s self-selecting. Low-IQ, affirmative-action NAMs are not going to flood the tech jobseeker market because they still won’t make it through the 4 years of work that it takes to finish the 4-year CS degree, even at a weaker university. Blacks can’t even increase their percentage as public school teachers because they have a higher failure rate on those laughably easy state tests.

      What would help NAMs in technology more is if the government tried to force employers to back off selecting for school quality – i.e. force employers to stop “discriminating” against the horde of NAMs getting degrees from crappy pay schools like DeVry.

      Camlost

      February 6, 2016 at 4:48 pm

  7. I think you guys are missing something important.

    Whether Trump is sufficiently philo-semitic is not determined by the likes of TUJ, Yakov or Lion. It is determined by the American Jewish oligarchs who actually run organized Jewry, both here and in Israel. It is they who decide exactly how Jewish and anti-Semitic Trump and his family really is. And here is how they really view Trump:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/430769/donald-trump-pat-buchanan

    So, far from divesting himself from the Buchananites, NR actually claims that Trump is merely a reincarnation of them, contrary to what TUJ believes.

    This brings out a larger point. Rank and file Jews have a bad habit of thinking they have some filial connection with Jewish oligarchs. These Jews do not seem to realize that Jewish oligarchs will unflinchingly throw them right under the bus if it meant preserving the power of those same Jewish oligarchs. These oligarchs will walk away cleanly with all of their ill-gotten gains and leave the rest of you to die at the hands of angry goyim once their shenanigans unravel the social fabric. Look at George Soros, who was busy selling out his fellow Hungarian Jews during WWII.

    Trump is an anti-semite, because he is an enormous threat to the power of the Jewish oligarchy, which profits handsomely, along with others, from the trade and immigration policies against which Trump is railing.

    map

    February 6, 2016 at 2:22 pm

    • “American Jewish oligarchs who actually run organized Jewry”

      There’s no such thing. To the extent that there is such a thing as “organized Jewry,” it’s run by orthodox rabbis and not rich people.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 6, 2016 at 3:13 pm

      • The ADL is not run by any orthodox person.

        JS

        February 6, 2016 at 3:37 pm

  8. Trump is basically running on the same platform as Buchanan did in the 90s. Buchanan has been a pretty mainstream figure. Until he retired recently, he regularly appeared on CNN, MSNBC, the McLaughlin Group, etc. He even hosted his own shows on CNN and MSNBC. I would not classify him with internet anti-Semites.

    Prominent anti-Semites like David Duke and Kevin MacDonald, as well as ordinary anti-Semites on Twitter and on right-wing blogs, are supporting Trump. I think they’re aware of Trump’s friendly and familial ties to Jews, but don’t really care and think Trump is the best candidate.

    Tom

    February 6, 2016 at 3:34 pm

    • Buchanan’s antisemitic, he’s just not as crazy about it as David Duke, who bills himself as a ‘human rights activist’ exposing Israel’s evil, or Kevin MacDonald, who writes whole books just about how bad Jews are.

      I actually think one of the best things Jews have going for them/us is how nuts most antisemites are.

      SFG

      February 6, 2016 at 6:37 pm

    • Pat Buchanan is completely upfront about wanting to end all foreign aid to anyone, anywhere. That doesn’t make him popular with anyone already in government who is on the left or right.

      Camlost

      February 6, 2016 at 6:56 pm

  9. I am not so sure that Trump truly does “dominate the non-ideological prole white vote”. I am a 35 year white, Catholic prole blue-collar worker as are the majorty of my friends and acquaintances and live in a very prolish outskirt section of Philadelphia. The highest education level that I can check off is “some college” at a local state school and that would be typical of most people that I know. I am a Veteran of the War on Terror (Iraq) and am not overly political in the sense of identifying strongly the either Party’s base, in fact I feel as though people like me been entirely neglected by both Parties for a very long time.

    I have a family of my own and a nice home and would firmly consider us to be middle-class if such a thing even exists in 2016 polarized America. I think my friends and I are Trump’s target demographic. Trump’s rhetoric speaks to me in a way that no Politician in the 16 years that I have been voting has. It could all (and very well may all be) lip service and only time will tell of that but at least he makes it come off to me as though he cares about the working White people who did the heavy-lifting in building this Country and continue to disproportionaly fight its dopey wars and pay the majority of it’s taxes.

    Now this is anecdotal, but lately whenever politics have come up while socializing with friends the majority of the people who are EXACTLY LIKE ME seem scared by Trump and often are noticeably surprised that I would vocally support him. He is perceived by them as being a “loose cannon”. I hope that I am wrong but it seems as though low information, prole moderates are off-put by some of his rhetoric, specifically feeling that he will send us into more Wars (based presumably on his own arrogance and temper) and continue to make people like himself wealthier at out behest. I do understand that their is implied class jealousies at the core of this thinking. Just to clarify this has nothing to do with the racial overtones or his stance on immigration because “white guilt” is not something that’s a factor in our world. That would be seen as being weak and for liberals and in that regard Trump has been wise to not back down on his immigration/amnesty stance. Again, I hope I’m wrong but just my thoughts and thanks for reading.

    roxboroughson

    February 6, 2016 at 3:50 pm

    • I’m no white prole, but I seem to agree with them on a lot of stuff…

      That’s one of my big concerns about the Donald. Shooting from the lip can get you into huge trouble as a head of state. You’re supposed to be mealy-mouthed and avoid giving unnecessary offense, because making some crack about Vladimir Putin could start WW3. Even guys like Reagan who got elected promising to be tough on Communism decided to go for detente when they had the chance because, well…you know when they say it’s not the end of the world? When you’re playing with nuclear weapons, it could be.

      SFG

      February 6, 2016 at 6:40 pm

    • delco?

      GM

      February 6, 2016 at 10:32 pm

  10. And what’s your explanation for the christian rights obsession over Israel? The cliche is that support for Israel is really antisemitic because Jews aren’t going to fare very well in the second coming. But I say if Jews are getting what they want in reality and only punished in what is almost certainly just a Christian fantasy then it’s the Christians who are being manipulated.

    I know lots of Evangelicals and they do love Israel. As far as I can tell it’s mainly because their preachers have been pushing it from the pulpit since the 1960’s, and they’re reluctant to let it go. And then 9/11 and George Bush happened and that cemented their views even more, considering their unwavering support for the US military.

    And Evangelicals generally live far from areas that feature many Muslims or Jews, so they don’t modify their beliefs based on any new personal experiences.

    Camlost

    February 6, 2016 at 5:22 pm

  11. The GOPe’s open borders stance was not a miscalculation. They didn’t do it because they thought it would help them with hispanics. I didn’t think that it would. Did you? Of course not. And their strategists didn’t think so either. They did it because the GOPe’s owners are a bunch of open borders globalists.

    destructure

    February 6, 2016 at 5:47 pm


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