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Kasich comment

“gothamette” writes in a comment:

I agree with your predictions, but I’m a little more certain that Kasich is going to come in second. He’s the adult you vote for when you have no one else to vote for. He projects a reassuring persona to befuddled moderates.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

February 8, 2016 at 2:07 pm

Posted in Politics

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  1. Kasich is a left-over remnant from the Reagan era. Basically, a country is THE ECONOMY. Solution to all social ills? Fix THE ECONOMY. That’s really all there is to him.


    February 8, 2016 at 2:55 pm

    • Well I’m not voting for him, but he only needs about 15% of the vote to “win” the coveted second-place spot in NH.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 8, 2016 at 2:56 pm

    • He’s not actually wrong about that. Wages and living standards have stagnated, which is why Trump’s platform on immigration and trade has been so popular. It’s just that Kasich’s proposals to fix the economy, whatever they are, aren’t going to fix the economy for most people, whereas Trump’s platform would.


      February 8, 2016 at 3:34 pm

    • That’s a position most associated with Clintons 1992 “It’s the economy stupid” campaign.

      Lloyd Llewellyn

      February 8, 2016 at 8:56 pm

  2. If he was anti-immigration I would vote for him. Has a very good track record at getting moderates to support conservative issues. Unfortunately he’s brainwashed by the conventional wisdom that immigration skepticism is the worst thing ever.


    February 8, 2016 at 4:03 pm

  3. If the GOPe suddenly decides to replace Rubio and Bush with Kasich, it’s not like they can instantly get millions of GOP voters to robotically switch. They can’t just get the masses to jump on the latest scheme in some massive conference call. Kasich got 1.9% in Iowa, for goodness sakes. Does he even have a national campaign? I haven’t heard him mentioned in the top tier of contenders.


    February 8, 2016 at 4:28 pm

  4. Trump had a typically incisive comment today on the Savage radio show. About Kasich, he said, “he’s been nice to me. He got lucky with fracking.”

    Cal Worthinton

    February 8, 2016 at 4:53 pm

    • Cal,

      I don’t know if you watched the debate where Trump first brought up this fracking issue but it is worth seeing again.

      Kasich, Jeb and Christie like talking about their record in these debates. It’s a very good tactic for burying your opponent in supposed facts that would require a great deal of knowledge to challenge.

      Trump masterfully reframed the entire issue.

      Trump: “I got one word for Kasich and Ohio. Fracking. They got lucky finding oil. That’s it. And you keep talking about your stint at Lehman Brothers. I was there for that. It was a mess.”

      Kasich: “Yes…Yes..I’m a banker. And I’m proud of it.”

      Watching how easily Kasich was pwned in that exchange was astonishing. Trump negated everything Kasich said about Ohio’s turnaround and flustered Kasich into associating himself with a failed investment bank.


      February 9, 2016 at 1:12 pm

  5. One thing is clear is that there is no coordinated GOPe conspiracy. After Iowa, I thought, “Uh, oh, Rubio is emerging as the establishment guy.” Then in the next debate, the other ‘establishment guys’ brutalized him. If there is a GOPe conspiracy, somebody forgot to tell the GOPe candidates.


    February 8, 2016 at 5:09 pm

  6. Certainly the media calls him the adult in the room, but I’ve just not seen it. It’s been one temper tantrum after another with that guy. What, exactly, is adult about his demeanor?

    Mike Street Station

    February 8, 2016 at 5:16 pm

    • He flails about and has all kinds of nervous tics and twitches like he’s crazy.


      February 8, 2016 at 9:40 pm

      • Just another Xanax-american.


        February 9, 2016 at 3:55 am

  7. OK, so it’s only one more day before I turn into a total fool. We’ll see. 🙂

    About GOPe, I reiterate than having Adelson fund him didn’t make Rubio their boy. They honestly didn’t know what to do after Jeb tanked. I think they are coming to the conclusion that their only chance of survival is Kasich. I’ve been to NH – Cruz has no appeal there, and his dirty tricks are finally getting a lot of attention.


    February 8, 2016 at 6:05 pm

  8. Cruz’s superior targeting and coordination will have him over perform expectation, and in the great post-NH winnowing will place him in the front in SC.

    SC like those “New York values”? I dont think so.

    Lion of the Turambar

    February 8, 2016 at 6:11 pm

    • SC and NY both east coast states.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 8, 2016 at 6:36 pm

      • How is that relevant?

        The South Carolinians aren’t going to like NY’s draconian gun laws, their creepy soda taxes, the announcement that every one who doesnt support abortion on demand had to leave the state. And corrupt Sheldon Silver sneaking gay marriage in via back room deals.

        The place is a cesspool of corruption and turpitude. And Trump is Mr. NY.

        The Master Persuader has hung the frame on Trump.

        Lion of the Turambar

        February 9, 2016 at 8:40 am

      • No one has to leave the state if they don’t support abortion on demand. No one is being required to have an abortion.

        Evangelicals need to let other people who want to have abortions to get them. If Evangelicals are right that they are going to Hell for it, it just means more space in Heaven for the Evangelicals.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 9, 2016 at 9:19 am

      • “If Evangelicals are right that they are going to Hell for it, it just means more space in Heaven for the Evangelicals.”

        Were you being sarcastic here? Despite what Belinda Carlyle sang, heaven is NOT a place on earth. We don’t need to worry about heaven not having enough space. It has as much space as is necessary. An all-powerful God will create as much space as heaven needs to accommodate all its spirits (not “people”, as the body stays on earth.) According to theology, God is the “Lion” is his own “blogosphere.” But then you were probably being sarcastic and I took you literally – something that’s happened many times on LOTB!


        February 9, 2016 at 9:41 am

      • God created the Earth and it’s pretty crappy down here. You are being optimistic that there also isn’t a lot or crappiness in Heaven.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 9, 2016 at 9:43 am

    • Cruz can’t just thump his bible and win SC, or any state besides IA for that matter. Stupid Christians have ruined America but fortunately they are mostly powerless to do much damage outside of Iowa.

      Otis the Sweaty

      February 8, 2016 at 6:47 pm

      • Ruined America and powerless outside Iowa. Gotcha.


        February 8, 2016 at 7:18 pm

      • If Trump doesn’t win the nomination, it will be because of stupid Christians. They have made being “right wing” synonymous with being anti abortion. Yes they have ruined America.

        Otis the Sweaty

        February 8, 2016 at 7:33 pm

  9. Kasich would be the best V.P. choice for Trump. Kasich is a nice guy that will soften the ticket for undecided moderates…and most importantly he delivers Ohio.


    February 8, 2016 at 6:21 pm

  10. If Lion has taught us anything, it’s that looks and appearance matter a whole lot when it comes to politics. Kasich looks and seems like an abusive alcoholic. It’s easy to imagine a drunken, enraged Kasich beating his wife, child, or dog. The man will never have widespread appeal. I hope he comes in second in NH.


    February 8, 2016 at 6:23 pm

    • I wanted to mention Kasich’s appearance also. Although I think Lion overstates the importance of looks and appearance in presidential success, I would say that Kasich has an “unpresidential” look. He looks slouched over and has awkward body language.


      February 9, 2016 at 12:24 am

  11. Trump may be able to make incisive comments (I’ve heard others) but he’s a terrible speaker.

    It’s one thing to sit here and spout off from a distance. It’s another thing to BE there. I have been – twice. The people there pay close attention to events. They are a pretty smart bunch of voters.

    I just saw a New Hampshirite interviewed after leaving a Trump rally. He said it “was a bunch of garbage.” The reporter said that most of the people leaving early who she interviewed were going to a Kasich rally. She said Trump had a disastrous Sunday. Don’t pay too much attention to the debate – that was a national event. (Although I do think – and hope – that Rubio self-inflicted a gunshot wound in the debate). How they actually perform on the ground in a state is important, too.


    February 8, 2016 at 6:48 pm

  12. Jimi, I hate to say this, but the anti-immigration position is very much the minority one, even in the GOP. In the mid-00s, remember how the establishment was able to make a total laughingstock and mockery out of Tancredo. In recent years, the GOP nominee has almost always been the most pro-amnesty one. The closed-borders movement is fiercely devoted and active but numerically speaking, it’s only about ~20% of the electorate and ~40% of the GOP.

    The big problem here is demographics. Those Americans most likely to agree that the law is the law are older whites who are rapidly dying off. Every anti-illegal bumper sticker I’ve ever seen is on a car driven by an elderly white. Young whites are just as pro-amnesty as minorities are, as are evangelicals (among under-thirties, evangelicalism advocates the leftist position on immigration, Israel, race relations, and socialism), women, secularists, and the college-educated.

    This is part of why most polls show Trump polling far worse vs. either Hillary or Bernie than almost all of the establishment candidates who are pro-amnesty.

    Martin L.

    February 8, 2016 at 7:08 pm

    • There is very little enthusiasm amongst young people for open borders. Open borders is popular with the establishment types of both parties and hardcore SJWs, nobody else.

      Older and middle aged white people love cucks like Kasich because he seems “presidential”. The more religious ones like Cruz because he beats his bible.

      If you can’t see that the right has become dramatically more anti immigration in just the last 4 years, I don’t know what to tell you.

      Otis the Sweaty

      February 8, 2016 at 7:39 pm

    • You’re right. Immigration realists are less numerous than we commenters would like to believe. I think the tide may be changing but the sentiment that questioning immigration is heresy is very deep. The alt-right likes to think that this is a Jewish thing, but it’s not. The Catholic church, moderate Protestants — all are very in the immigration tank. By the time the country really wakes up, it’ll be too late.

      And Trump’s rally numbers don’t matter.


      February 8, 2016 at 7:43 pm

      • Right. Too many Christians have become marinated in the ‘noble lie’ (TM Lion) of multiculturalism and equalitarianism. In fact, I’m not 100% sure that the messianic noble lies of multiculturalism and equalitarianism aren’t logical extensions of modern Christianity where finding something (ANYTHING) to save has become a signal of being one of the elect just as it was under Calvin. Edgar Lee Masters made this same association in his majisterial overview of the pre-war period ‘Lincoln, The Man’ blaming hysterical Puritanism for what he saw as unhinged salvational longing by some abolitionists.


        February 8, 2016 at 11:55 pm

      • ” Immigration realists are less numerous than we commenters would like to believe.”

        Although that may be true in a sense, immigration restrictionists are more numerous that the political system allowed, at least recently. It’s a matter of priorities. The number of people who will base their vote on immigration is a tiny number. But overall, the number of who would prefer more restrictive immigration policies is the majority opinion in the Republican electorate. They just don’t think it’s a large issue to them, when open borders is a very big deal for those in the GOPe who support it. In fact, they are risking their control of the party over it.

        I think it was Mickey Kaus who observed that the GOP establishment could have strangled this Trump phenomenon in it’s cradle if they were simply willing to abandon amnesty, but they just couldn’t do it. It’s too important to them, They would rather lose and let another open borders candidate in, like Hillary, than compromise over amnesty.

        Mike Street Station

        February 9, 2016 at 6:39 am

  13. Thanks Gothamette. I agree on your analysis, ALL of the mainstream religious establishment (Protestant, Catholic, evangelical, Jewish) is equally behind the open-borders dissolution of Western civilization. This is to be a big part of the reason why Cruz is having a harder time getting traction with his “own kind” than Huckabee (in 2008) or Santorum (in 2012) and why Trump supporters are mostly, but not all, secularists.

    Martin L.

    February 9, 2016 at 8:39 am

  14. The sooner that everyone on the right realizes that Trump is their only chance to beat Bernillary, the better.


    February 9, 2016 at 10:25 am

    • I thought current polls showed that Trump is a weak general election candidate and that he’d lose to either Hillary or Bernie. Are there new polls that show otherwise?


      February 9, 2016 at 11:55 am

      • We believe that the social proof of him winning the nomination will make him a much more popular candidate in the general election.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 9, 2016 at 12:54 pm

  15. And Bernie’s continual refusal to get down in the ditch and sling dirty politics at Hilary should make it very clear that he’s going to knuckle under and agree to the VP role.


    February 9, 2016 at 10:27 am

    • I don’t think he wants to be vice president, or president for that matter. I think he wants to win New Hampshire, give his crazy youth base something to be happy about for one night, and then drop out and support Hillary, whom he has never shown much interest in attacking in anything but the most abstract terms.


      February 9, 2016 at 2:41 pm

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