Lion of the Blogosphere

Why do blacks support Hillary and not Bernie?

(1) Blacks are actually very conservative, which I keep saying, so they are not attracted to the more liberal candidate. And no, this does not mean they are going to become Republican Ted Cruz supporters, they will vote for the party that gives them stuff (like affirmative action and various welfare programs) and that they can boss around.

(2) Blacks are low-information voters, so they are biased in favor of the well-known candidate. They are not going to put in the effort to learn about Bernie.

(3) They vote for whom black leaders tell them to, and black leaders are lined up behind Hillary (because the Clintons are way better as schmoozing them).

(4) As noted by many commenters, a nerdy old white guy is not especially attractive to black voters. An old white woman isn’t all that attractive to them either, but Hillary has the first three points strongly in her favor.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

February 10, 2016 at 1:30 pm

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  1. Lion: that explains why casual blacks will vote for Hillary, it does not explain why black liberals have such a smoldering hatred for Bernie Sanders.

    Those BLM girls who pushed Bernie off the state in Seattle aren’t part of the black elite, just typical black liberals. They and their ilk loath Bernie.

    Go on DailyKos and see how the black liberals there feel about Bernie. They hate the guy. They would probably vote for Kasich over Bernie.

    Otis the Sweaty

    February 10, 2016 at 1:34 pm

    • Can you provide links to these articles so I can form an opinion?

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 10, 2016 at 1:39 pm

      • Its not articles, its the comments of threads at DailyKos and this place I read call NeoGaf.

        Here is the latest thread from neogaf:

        It is very, veeeeeerrrrrryyyyyy long and you prob won’t have the patience to read through it. But there are numerous black liberals there bashing the shit out of Bernie. They hate the guy.

        On DailyKos it’s even worse.

        Otis the Sweaty

        February 10, 2016 at 1:55 pm

      • I looked through a few pages, and don’t see any evince of black people hating Bernie. Perhaps I lacked the patience to find the gold nuggets within the ****.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 10, 2016 at 2:12 pm

    • It seems like most informed black liberals support Sanders. The ones that hate him for crazy racial reasons don’t like Clinton either, and if they voted at all it probably would be for Sanders. I think this is mostly down to low-information and the influence of corrupt black elites.


      February 10, 2016 at 4:31 pm

  2. What does “very conservative” mean? They don’t like homos, and what else?

    Death penalty, law and order, abortion, welfare, drugs, free health care, government spending… blacks are all liberal on those issues.


    February 10, 2016 at 1:41 pm

    • You’ve allowed the Tea Party to define “conservative.”

      And don’t hate law and order, they hate WHITE law and order.

      Blacks support policies which they believe are good for the blacks, and in-group loyalty is a conservative emotion. For black people, it’s conservative to support the status quo of welfare and free healthcare.

      Also, blacks would vote for a pro-life candidate, but it’s not an issue they care much about. It’s a lot more important to vote for the party that gives them stuff and not worry about liberal white women aborting their babies. Unlike white churches which make abortion issue #1, black churches don’t mention it because they want their congregations to vote Democratic.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 10, 2016 at 1:43 pm

      • don’t hate law and order, they hate WHITE law and order.

        No, they hate law and order even in black-run cities and countries, which are characterized by lawlessness and disorder.

        Blacks support policies which they believe are good for the blacks, and in-group loyalty is a conservative emotion.

        Absolute rubbish. Identity politics is liberal, not conservative. Wanting free shit at the expense of other people is liberal, not conservative.


        February 10, 2016 at 4:23 pm

      • As someone who lives in a city that’s almost 40% African-American, I can explain this. Every summer day, there’s at least one environmental or anti-war protest in my city. All of the protesters are always white. Similarly, you never see any blacks at farmers’ markets or the liberal and hippy themed festivals.

        Upper middle class blacks tend to be into conspicuous consumption and love big SUVs, which most white liberals want to ban. Blacks are also religious and tend not to recycle and are even fine with the 1%, so long as that 1% refers to rappers, sports stars or black actors. In fact, you can get accused of being a racist communist for suggesting that some basketball players are overpaid.

        George Costanza

        February 11, 2016 at 12:08 am

      • Upper middle class blacks tend to be into conspicuous consumption and love big SUVs, which most white liberals want to ban.

        Quite correct, most blacks with “money” are terrible with it.


        February 12, 2016 at 3:47 pm

  3. More interesting to this point are blacks switching party allegiances secretly and not so secretly to get in on the Trump goodness. I’ve spoken about Trump to Hispanics and blacks, just to shoot the shit while on the Uber ride or whatever. All Hispanics have been taught to hate him with relish, but blacks on average give him more of a pass. That’s not to say there’s going to be a sea change if Trump is the Republican nominee, but I think there are more blacks supporting him than the media would let on.

    E. Green

    February 10, 2016 at 1:44 pm

    • I predict he will win more of the black vote than Romney or McCain did. Not a majority, of course, but enough to give white liberals some cognitive dissonance, which will be amusing. Especially if he wins a state by 1% because he won 15% of the black vote instead of 5%.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 10, 2016 at 1:46 pm

      • Trump will lose in Western swing states like AZ / CO/ NM because of Mexicans. He’ll need the support of 15-25% of blacks to win states like PA and beat Hillary.


        February 10, 2016 at 1:57 pm

  4. Blacks are way more religious than America as a whole:
    “The Landscape Survey also finds that nearly eight-in-ten African-Americans (79%) say religion is very important in their lives, compared with 56% among all U.S. adults. ”

    Blacks are overwhelmingly Christian and historically black congregations are pretty fundamentalist.

    Black political power runs through its churches. Sanders is of course not Christian.


    February 10, 2016 at 2:07 pm

    • Hillary doesn’t believe in that stuff either, but she’s good at faking it.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 10, 2016 at 2:09 pm

    • @Dan: Blacks are way more religious than America as a whole

      Maybe, but black religiosity is not traditional Christianity; it’s black liberation (blame/hate Whitey) theology, a la Rev. Jeremiah Wright being to the extreme.

      A relatively high rate of black females might be religious, but the males not so much. The high rate of incarceration + felons among black males effectively makes the black male vote irrelevant.

      E. Rekshun

      February 11, 2016 at 6:36 pm

  5. I think it boils down to them being low information voters. They don’t realize that the Sanders free stuff platform promises them more free stuff than Hillary does. And they’re not going to find out on their own because that would require reading the platforms and articles. They would only find out if the black leaders and community organizers and activists decide to tell them.


    February 10, 2016 at 2:12 pm

  6. As I mentioned on a previous post, Ta-Nehisi Coates — “the foremost intellectual of our times” — just endorsed Bernie.

    Ripple Earthdevil

    February 10, 2016 at 2:27 pm

    • Like when he was a comic-reading nerd as a youth, TNC was paid no respect nor attention by his black peers in his black school (except when they were beating him up.)

      Nowadays his black peers still pay him no attention but he needn’t fear getting beat up or culturally enriched by African-American style diversity because he’s fled to a nice whitopia in France. TNC is an overhyped hypocrisy that is primarily for consumption by white bienpensant BoBos.

      If he hates America and White European-American culture so much, why didn’t he go to a black ruled and administered “utopia” in Africa?

      Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

      February 10, 2016 at 11:53 pm

      • Black people may not pay attention to TNC…but white liberals do.

        IT’ll help Bernie. How much, I don’t know.


        February 11, 2016 at 9:46 pm

  7. Blacks aren’t conservative. They are prudish, which dovetails with their childishness. You can be prudish and wildly libidinous at the same time.


    February 10, 2016 at 2:40 pm

    • They are prudish, which dovetails with their childishness. You can be prudish and wildly libidinous at the same time.

      They also know which Democrat brings home the most goodies to “the community”. That would be Hillary, regardless of what Bernie is promising Sharpton at the last second. I’m waiting for her to blow the reparations ‘dog whistle’.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      February 10, 2016 at 11:00 pm

    • blacks are quite boring and insignificant, in the grander scheme of human evolution.


      February 11, 2016 at 3:54 pm

  8. Characterizing blacks as “conservative” is absurd. They are socially a single-mom crime ghetto. They are financially all about the gibsmedats.

    They can only be called conservative in the sense that they conserve and strengthen the R-selection strategy at the expense of K-selected peeps.


    February 10, 2016 at 2:40 pm

  9. “I think it boils down to them being low information voters. They don’t realize that the Sanders free stuff platform promises them more free stuff than Hillary does.”

    I agree. The two primary concerns for most blacks are social programs and government jobs. Given their IQ and less-than-stellar work ethic this makes sense.

    I also agree with Lion that Trump will get more of the black vote than Republicans usually get. Blacks like that Trump is an alpha male, has lots of money and celebrity, and has balled a large number of good looking women.

    Lewis Medlock

    February 10, 2016 at 2:41 pm

  10. Blacks consistently poll as solid liberals, period. There isn’t much more to it than that. They may have all sorts of reasons for being as liberal as they are, but it is not irrational for them to vote Democrat if the Democrat political agenda is one they support. The majority of black Democrats are pro-choice.

    Bernie is obviously less electable and less qualified to be president than Hillary. I think one could just as easily ask “why do whites like Sanders so much” given his obvious flaws. His success appears to be in large part a cultural delusion on the part of upper-middle class white youth that America is just one president away from a socialist utopia.


    February 10, 2016 at 3:25 pm

  11. # 3. all day long.
    Blacks who vote, look to their leaders to do their deciding for them.


    February 10, 2016 at 4:07 pm

  12. History counts. Bill Clinton became governor in 1978 with the help of the help of the Arkansas black vote. Since then the Clintons have been courting black voters and leaders all the way up to the White House. That’s 38 years of courtship.

    Hillary knows all the black leaders of the South Carolina. Their friendships are by now 20-30 years old. I bet if you put Hillary and Bernie is a dangerous black neighborhood Bernie would be scared and lost. You’d find Hillary in a black church singing and campaigning for votes.


    February 10, 2016 at 4:08 pm

  13. I think most blacks being low information is by far the biggest factor. Many haven’t even heard of Bernie Sanders before. I recall in 2008 blacks supported Hillary over Obama at first .It took them longer than liberal whites to become aware of Obama.

    Jay Fink

    February 10, 2016 at 4:24 pm

  14. Julian

    February 10, 2016 at 5:02 pm

    • Michelle Alexander is trending on twitter because of an article arguing they shouldn’t support Hillary…..

      Anything blackity black black BLACK blackity trends on twitter.


      February 11, 2016 at 1:05 pm

  15. Hillary probably reminds them of that nice old white public school teacher, the one that let them get away with crap, not because she was a nice lady, but rather, because she feared for her life.
    Anyone who has had the pleasure of attending school with blacks knows what I’m talking about.


    February 10, 2016 at 5:52 pm

  16. Many black women certainly identify at a hindbrain level with Hillary – the put-upon “I hafta do EVERYTHING around here” working W-O-M-A-N who keeps the family going, while privately crying over the wily ways of her fine alpha stud muffin.

    The NYTimes used a similarly personal touch to anchor middle-aged white women to maternal instincts for Obama as he prepared to run for his second term. They ran a story about Obama’s mother filled with dog whistles designed to portray her as a kindred spirit – “well-padded [i.e. fat]” “flower child” “textile dyed indigo”. The message – Stanley Ann Dunham was just like you…she’s gone so it’s up to YOU can vicariously mother your baby boy Obama! More effective than any policy lecture ever formulated.


    February 10, 2016 at 6:54 pm

  17. Lion,

    Why do you (and some of your commenters) persist in calling Sanders “nerdy” when he clearly isn’t a nerd? “Nerdy” isn’t a synonym for “Jewish”. Calling Bernie Nerdy is like calling Frank Constanza nerdy. It doesn’t fit.

    As for Bernie and black voters:

    1) He is more conservative than Hillary. Bernie, despite some recent pandering, is more of an old-school, FDR-type than an LGBT-loving, identity-politics Dem.

    2) True about low-info, but blacks like to be on winning teams. If Bernie looks like a winner, they have no love for Hillary. And it’s more conservative to vote for a man than a woman.

    3) So far, rapper Killer Mike has endorsed Bernie, and Ta-Nehisi Coates said he’s voting for him. Expect the bandwagon to get bigger if Bernie’s momentum increases.

    Granted, none of that is likely to put Bernie over the top in South Carolina, but he doesn’t need to win there to gain momentum, he just needs to outperform the polls so far there, which I think he will do.

    Dave Pinsen

    February 10, 2016 at 7:40 pm

    • They use nerdy because “faggot” is reserved for Rubio.


      February 11, 2016 at 12:53 am

      • That doesn’t make any sense either. I think if you all commented under your own names you’d leave more thoughtful and less puerile comments.

        Dave Pinsen

        February 11, 2016 at 11:14 am

      • Dave: yeah, and get fired from our jobs.

        There’s a reason anonymity is important. There’s a reason feminists want to get rid of it.


        February 11, 2016 at 9:47 pm

      • Thanks for sperging, Dave!


        February 12, 2016 at 10:03 pm

  18. Bernie moved from Brooklyn to Burlington. I suspect a lot of Blacks consider that ‘white flight’ and they don’t like it.


    February 10, 2016 at 7:40 pm

  19. Blacks, especially the semi-educated ones, are antisemitic conspiracy theorists. Jews ran and of course enormously profited from the African slave trade, according to their twisted spin on history. Rich Jewish shop owners and slumlords exploit poor blacks unmercifully. Jews, who benefit from meritocratic hiring practices, oppose their opposite: affirmative action.

    Mark Caplan

    February 11, 2016 at 10:18 am

    • A lot of Jews are vaguely liberal and support affirmative action, sorry to say.

      Besides, honestly, the Jewish community has been around long enough to benefit from nepotism in business and legacy preferences at the Ivies. They’re not outsiders anymore, much as liberal Jews love to believe they are to assuage their consciences; they’re a step below old-money WASPs in the ethnic layer cake at this point.


      February 11, 2016 at 9:49 pm

    • Agree about the antisemitism, at least in New York; I grew up with Leonard Jeffries and Jesse Jackson in Manhattan.


      February 11, 2016 at 9:50 pm

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