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Pop quiz

What do Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Bernie Sanders, Chuck Schumer, Andrew Dice Clay, Carole King and my Jewish mother all have in common?

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Several readers got the correct answer, that they all graduated from the same high school. James Madison High School in Brooklyn.

It’s interesting that James Madison high school had so many successful graduates, including several Nobel Prize winners. And it’s just a local neighborhood high school.

Why was the high school so exceptional back in the 1950s and perhaps into the 1960s, but today, of all the high schools in the state of New York, it’s ranked at a dismal 747 (although still better than most public high schools in New York City)?

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Jimi finally has the correct answer:

Same reason City College has 13 Nobel Prize winners. The school was filled with 1st generation American ambitious intelligent Ashkenazi Jews.

After the intelligent Jews became wealthy, they moved out of Brooklyn, leaving only the proles and minorities behind to fill up the public schools.

And the same high school, with the same building and the same teachers, became a below-average school.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

February 12, 2016 at 5:20 pm

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  1. New Yawkas?

    Wrong Side of History

    February 12, 2016 at 5:30 pm

  2. All prole Jews?

    And all went to James Madison High School in Brooklyn.

    Rifleman

    February 12, 2016 at 5:38 pm

  3. Brooklyn

    Larry

    February 12, 2016 at 5:39 pm

  4. They’re all Jewish and were born in NYC.

    How about an album review, Lion? Carole King’s ‘Tapestry’ is a great album, with the exception of that “I Feel The Earth Move” song.

    Robert

    February 12, 2016 at 5:40 pm

  5. They all graduated from the same Brooklyn High school – maybe Madison High?

    Maryk

    February 12, 2016 at 5:48 pm

  6. They’re all bloodsucking neocons – not that neocon is code for Jewish.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    February 12, 2016 at 5:55 pm

    • My mother used to be a Democrat, but she voted for Mitt Romney last election, and she hates De Blasio.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 12, 2016 at 8:34 pm

    • but she voted for Mitt Romney last election, and she hates De Blasio.

      Romney and De Blasio are also blood sucking neocons.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      February 13, 2016 at 11:48 am

  7. All born in Brooklyn huh?

    purpletigerbot

    February 12, 2016 at 5:57 pm

  8. James Madison High School

    Jimi

    February 12, 2016 at 5:59 pm

  9. All born in Brooklyn. And all presumably “light the menorah”, as Adam Sandler put it, as well.

    Truth

    February 12, 2016 at 6:00 pm

    • Wrong, the real interesting thing is that they all went to the same high school.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 12, 2016 at 8:35 pm

    • That was going to be my guess, but per Wikipedia, Carole King was born in Manhattan.

      Hermes

      February 12, 2016 at 9:24 pm

  10. Is this a test to see who to ban?

    Hepp

    February 12, 2016 at 6:02 pm

  11. they all went to James Madison high in Brooklyn? Don’t forget Norm Coleman

    biff

    February 12, 2016 at 6:04 pm

  12. They all drive Ford F-250 pickup trucks adorned with confederate flag bumper stickers and decals.

    Lewis Medlock

    February 12, 2016 at 6:04 pm

  13. None of them have ever been in njguy73’s kitchen.

    njguy73

    February 12, 2016 at 6:09 pm

    • This was my answer.

      bomag

      February 12, 2016 at 8:46 pm

  14. The altspergers have an Ivanka problem:

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/ivanka-trump-happy-to-be-jewish/

    “We observe the Sabbath,” Trump said. “From Friday to Saturday we don’t do anything but hang out with one another. We don’t make phone calls.”

    The subject of her conversion, which Trump, 33, admits she has preferred to keep out of the public eye, came up during a meeting with reporter Jonathan Van Meter in the Trump SoHo hotel. As waiters brought over food, Trump noted, “We don’t eat meat… or, well, we keep kosher.”

    The mother of two then went on to speak more about life after her 2009 conversion, a move she made because husband Kushner’s family are Orthodox Jews, but has since been kept discreet. Trump’s father, Donald, is a Presbyterian Christian.

    “I just feel like it’s such an intimate thing for us,” said Trump, who is reported to have taken the moniker “Yael,” a popular Jewish women’s name. Yael was an Old Testament woman who, according to the story from Judges 5:24-27, killed enemy general Sisera by driving a tent peg though his head, enabling the Israelites to gain victory in a war.

    “We’re pretty observant, more than some, less than others,” Trump explained. “It’s been such a great life decision for me. I am very modern, but I’m also a very traditional person, and I think that’s an interesting juxtaposition in how I was raised as well. I really find that with Judaism, it creates an amazing blueprint for family connectivity.”

    In addition to her executive position in The Trump Organization, she was also a successful model and has her own line of fashion shoes and handbags.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    February 12, 2016 at 6:13 pm

    • My fondest hope is that Ivanka comes back to Roman Catholicism and brings her husband along too.

      Daniel

      February 12, 2016 at 10:58 pm

      • Why? What do you care what religion Ivanka practices?

        Are you a Jew-hater too, like so many on the alt-right?

        Lion, I don’t think it’s right of me to ask you to ban comments, the way TUJ did, but whenever I sense the slightest anti-Semitism here, I’m gonna punch back good and hard. They literally run every other alt-right website, and they are beginning to infiltrate here. The alt-righter are always whining about how paranoid and overreactive Jews are to anti-Semitism. Bullshit. We have very thick skins. But I’m sick of it. I’ll hit back when I see it, and Daniel, you are a stinking Jew-hater. Take your shit somewhere else.

        gothamette

        February 13, 2016 at 10:34 am

      • How could you possibly construe my comment as Jew-hating anti-semitism? I think that you are projecting. Chill out, please.

        Daniel

        February 13, 2016 at 7:31 pm

    • altsbergers? you’re my new favorite poster

      GM

      February 12, 2016 at 11:53 pm

    • @TUJ, yes they do. I have to admit something. When Lion stupidly allowed that alt-right aggregator comment, I clicked on it out of curiosity. And there was a link on that I clicked on – pure raving anti-Semitic Jew-hatred. I forget her name, and I wouldn’t put it here if I remembered….anyway, this aging hag, went on a nasty rant against Ivanka. She was in this biddie’s estimation, “too perfect,” and was a turnoff to average women. The vicious anti-Semite advised Trump to use Melania more.

      The idea that anyone in the Trump camp is listening to this maniac loser is such a laugher. Ivanka is being deployed for damn good reason: Melania is the turnoff, not Ivanka. Ivanka is a blooming young matron, pregnant with her third child, very extroverted, and deeply attractive. It just shows what a scummy bunch of Jew-haters they are. I’m sick of these people and I’m sick of proving how wrong they are. I just want them to know that I fucking hate them.

      gothamette

      February 13, 2016 at 10:41 am

      • Here is the real beef with Jews coming from the alt-right or just the right in general: Jews are still seen as major supporters of black causes.

        JS

        February 13, 2016 at 12:21 pm

    • My fondest hope is that Ivanka comes back to Roman Catholicism and brings her husband along too.

      It still won’t change the fact Trump has Jewish grandchildren. Larry Kudlow and Klavan converted to Christianity but are still considered Jews. Pinch Sulzberger is half-WASP and was raised as an Episcopalian, but antisemitic lists of who is a Jew always list him as a tribal member.

      Why? What do you care what religion Ivanka practices?

      I presume he wants her to convert to Catholicism because the commenter is Catholic.

      If he were an antisemite he would be hoping for a divorce so that Trump doesn’t have so much of his “Ethnic Interests” invested in Judaism. Bringing her husband along to Christianity is no good in the eyes of antisemites because her husband and children are still racially Jewish regardless of their religious practices.

      And there was a link on that I clicked on – pure raving anti-Semitic Jew-hatred. I forget her name, and I wouldn’t put it here if I remembered….anyway, this aging hag, went on a nasty rant against Ivanka.

      Well, at least she realized Ivanka is a substantial obstacle in the way for any anti-Semitic policy in a Trump administration. Trump would probably lose half of his antisemitic support if those morons could understand the obvious implications of his having Jewish grandchildren.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      February 13, 2016 at 12:02 pm

      • “Well, at least she realized Ivanka is a substantial obstacle in the way for any anti-Semitic policy in a Trump administration.”

        There is no potential for anti-Semitic policies in a Trump administration. Her hatred of Ivanka was simple and pure hatred of Jews.

        gothamette

        February 13, 2016 at 3:41 pm

      • Doesn’t matter. Pope John Paul II’s mother was born Jewish. New York Cardinal John O’Connor’s mother was born Jewish. There have been many illustrious Jews in the Roman Catholic church, not just in the early days, but throughout her history, all the way to the present. Roman Catholicism does not care about blood descent.

        Daniel

        February 13, 2016 at 7:29 pm

      • @ Daniel –

        What makes you think that John Paul II’s mother was born Jewish? Her father’s surname was Kaczorowska, and her mother’s birth surname was Scholz. Neither are typical Jewish names, and I’ve never read of suspected Jewish ancestry in the late pope’s family anywhere else before your post.

        nebbish

        February 13, 2016 at 10:32 pm

    • “Here is the real beef with Jews coming from the alt-right or just the right in general: Jews are still seen as major supporters of black causes.”

      JS – at this point I have better things to do than engage with you. But briefly, and for the first and last time:

      1. Jews are not major supporters of black causes. SOME Jews are, virtually always the billionaire patriarchs. That doesn’t mean average, regular Jews are. The vast majority of Jews are as disturbed by black criminality as other whites are. We just don’t express it by joining hate groups, and snarling about “the niggers.” We express our discomfort just like most other whites to: by moving away and shutting up. It’s true that Jewish support of the NAACP back in the day was pretty high – but so what? In those days, blacks were agitating for the rights every other American had. I don’t apologize for that. In return, we got shit but that’s another story.

      2. The “altsbergers” don’t hate Jews because of blacks. In fact, blacks are totally incidental to their world-view, which is the main difference between them and old confederates. (see below) They just hate Jews, period. I used to read their sites for two reasons. One, the sheer train wreck beauty of them. Two – I did occasionally get some good book tips from them. There is one alt-righter who reads perceptively and widely, gotta admit. I tried to deny it but I came to the conclusion that they are just vicious, pure anti-Semites, who believe all the old garbage about us controlling the money supply, and being purely malicious towards Christians. These are lies, outright, pure lies.

      3. I don’t have enough time to school illiterate dopes, but I’ve read widely about the Confederacy, and its intellectual heirs. One thing about them is that they were almost completely free of anti-Semitism. Jews were an integral part of the Old South. That’s not an excuse of slavery, just pointing out facts. The men who ran the Conferacy would be appalled at the anti-Semitism of the alt-right, not to mention their disgusting attitudes towards women.

      And no, I’m not MaryK.

      gothamette

      February 13, 2016 at 1:50 pm

  15. They all hate Guidos?

    Curle

    February 12, 2016 at 6:25 pm

  16. None of them are going to be president?

    Steve Johnson

    February 12, 2016 at 6:33 pm

  17. they all went to james madison high school.

    rivelino

    February 12, 2016 at 6:35 pm

  18. They all bet on the Panthers?

    ethically grown

    February 12, 2016 at 6:35 pm

  19. They all got taken by Madoff.

    Mort

    February 12, 2016 at 6:36 pm

  20. They’re all Brooklyn Jews?

    jackmcg

    February 12, 2016 at 6:41 pm

  21. They’re Jewish?

    XVO

    February 12, 2016 at 6:58 pm

  22. Jews and possibly all new yorkers. If you’re trying to test which of your commentors have jews on the brain count me in.

    Lloyd Llewellyn

    February 12, 2016 at 7:09 pm

    • Wrong.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 12, 2016 at 8:37 pm

      • I didn’t want to let on that I was stalking you and was so obsessed that I knew where your mother went to high school

        Lloyd Llewellyn

        February 12, 2016 at 9:56 pm

  23. Brooklyn?

    owentt

    February 12, 2016 at 7:09 pm

  24. All born in Brooklyn.

    Ripple Earthdevil

    February 12, 2016 at 7:18 pm

  25. The all have bumper stickers that read “I [heart] New York” ?

    Joe

    February 12, 2016 at 7:18 pm

  26. An even more jewish new york Andrew Dice Clay. Hickory dickory do!

    Lloyd Llewellyn

    February 12, 2016 at 7:24 pm

    • i bet maryk is loving this

      GM

      February 12, 2016 at 11:56 pm

      • I’m so depressed about Donald Trump’s lead in the South Carolina polls that I can’t really enjoy much of anything these days.

        Maryk

        February 13, 2016 at 10:26 am

  27. A predilection for gefilte fish?

    Skip Foreplay

    February 12, 2016 at 7:27 pm

  28. All from the Bronx?

    ModernReader

    February 12, 2016 at 7:49 pm

  29. New Yorkers?

    CamelCaseRob

    February 12, 2016 at 7:52 pm

  30. They are all to the left of Pol Pot?

    Some Guy

    February 12, 2016 at 8:01 pm

  31. Love of bagels?

    AnonymousCoward

    February 12, 2016 at 8:16 pm

  32. Brooklyn

    Jjbees

    February 12, 2016 at 8:17 pm

  33. same high school

    jorge

    February 12, 2016 at 8:20 pm

  34. They all hustled down south to give blacks the vote? i.e. freedom fighters.

    slithy toves

    February 12, 2016 at 8:30 pm

  35. 1) They all are alumni of James Madison High School.

    2) Neil Best of Newsday had the same question

    Trivia quiz: What do they have in common? Bernie Sanders, Marty Glickman, Frank Torre, Marvin Miller, Fuzzy Levane, Cal Abrams, Maury Allen.— Neil Best (@sportswatch) February 12, 2016

    //platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

    ScarletNumber

    February 12, 2016 at 8:30 pm

  36. “Why was the high school so exceptional back in the 1950s and perhaps into the 1960s, but today, of all the high schools in the state of New York, it’s ranked at a dismal 747 (although still better than most public high schools in New York City)?”

    Less lead in the water, obv.

    Dan

    February 12, 2016 at 9:21 pm

  37. I grew up in that neighborhood in the 1970’s. Any kid who was at all serious about school either went to a Catholic High School (Nazareth or Xaverian) or Stuyvesant or Bronx School of Science, even though it meant a hellish commute. For my friends who went to Madison, going to school on any given day was entirely optional. If you felt like it you’d go, otherwise not. There were no repercussions. Where I went to school, Nazareth, if you did this you’d be in a heap of trouble.

    Tony

    February 12, 2016 at 9:21 pm

  38. LOL at lumping Andrew Dice Clay in with Nobel Prize winners.

    Hermes

    February 12, 2016 at 9:23 pm

  39. Off topic, the beautiful Catherine Rampell sounding like a conservative:

    “Liberal intolerance is on the rise on America’s college campuses”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/liberal-but-not-tolerant-on-the-nations-college-campuses/2016/02/11/0f79e8e8-d101-11e5-88cd-753e80cd29ad_story.html

    Dan

    February 12, 2016 at 9:47 pm

    • Rampell’s annoyed that Millennials voted 83-16 for Bernie Sanders over Hillary Clinton.

      Richard

      February 13, 2016 at 5:30 am

  40. “Why was the high school so exceptional back in the 1950s and perhaps into the 1960s, but today, of all the high schools in the state of New York, it’s ranked at a dismal 747 (although still better than most public high schools in New York City)?”

    Ron Unz noticed a similar pattern among Jews in his article on Ivy League enrollment. Jews have been punching below their weight for more than a generation now – a finding that qualifies as both new and significant. Answer that question and you’ll go a long way towards answering your question.

    My guess? Sunspots.

    Have the demographics of James Madison changed recently?

    Joe

    February 12, 2016 at 10:03 pm

    • It’s the Penny – Leonard thing. Too many smart Jews marrying Midwest blonde shiksas.

      CamelCaseRob

      February 12, 2016 at 10:53 pm

      • No, the intermarriage rate was still low into the 1980’s, and most Jews who intermarry don’t do so with Midwestern blondes. It’s laziness brought about by prosperity and realization starting as early as junior high school that social and athletic activities are more likely to lead to elite status than academic competitions and grinding away at schoolwork.

        nebbish

        February 13, 2016 at 5:46 pm

  41. I would say that their graduates are more illustrious than those of Stuyvesant. Lots of accomplished people from Stuyvesant but not too many stand outs.

    Daniel

    February 12, 2016 at 10:15 pm

  42. Now James Madison has the dubious distinction of being known as Horndog High.

    http://gothamist.com/tags/jamesmadisonhighschool

    Daniel

    February 12, 2016 at 10:20 pm

  43. “Why was the high school so exceptional back in the 1950s and perhaps into the 1960s, but today, of all the high schools in the state of New York, it’s ranked at a dismal 747 (although still better than most public high schools in New York City)?”

    Same reason City College has 13 Nobel Prize winners. The school was filled with 1st generation American ambitious intelligent Ashkenazi Jews.

    Jimi

    February 12, 2016 at 11:53 pm

  44. So, why didn’t Barbara Boxer go to James Madison HS? I smell a cover-up!

    jef

    February 13, 2016 at 6:23 am

  45. ‘Welcome Back Kotter’ was set in ‘James Buchanan High School’, so it was already failing in the ’70’s

    Dave

    February 13, 2016 at 8:57 am

    • Different high school. The Kotter high school is in Bensonhurst. James Madison is in the Midwood/Sheepshead Bay/Marine Park area.

      Not the worst neighborhood in Brooklyn by a long shot, and in fact Madison is whiter than most high schools in NYC, but all of the smart people moved out decades ago, leaving only proles behind.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 13, 2016 at 9:14 am

      • If you include Asians, who tend to do well in school even if from poorer, non-English-speaking families, the school is over 60% white + Asian. That’s more than many high schools in middle class suburbs.
        Student demographics and neighborhood prole-ness can’t be the main reasons for its relatively dismal performance by statewide standards.

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        February 13, 2016 at 9:50 am

      • They are prole whites and prole Asians.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 13, 2016 at 11:22 am

      • East Asians regardless of their social stratum, seem to lack gravitas, in the definitive of American success, coming from most White ethnic groups, and I’ll include the more recent and less entrenched groups like the Armenians, Lebanese and Iranians.

        JS

        February 13, 2016 at 12:31 pm

      • East Asians have plenty of gravitas. You must not know what the word means.

        Tarl

        February 13, 2016 at 2:22 pm

      • I don’t understand JS’ comment about Asians and gravitas either

        ava lon

        February 14, 2016 at 10:07 am

      • East Asians are perceived as having no gravitas, when it comes to attaining elite status.

        Washington State previously elected an East Asian governor. This man with a legal background, and Ivy League credentials, has yet to write a book, give speeches, etc. Even a rumble and tumble guido like Antonin Scalia, has authored several books.

        JS

        February 15, 2016 at 12:35 pm

  46. All of NYC’s public institutions were prestigious pre-1970s. Public housing also had a White majority during the same time.

    JS

    February 13, 2016 at 12:04 pm

  47. Don’t know about James Madison these days, but Midwood HS has a very impressive record in turning out college-bound students, especially for a neighborhood high school with no entrance requirements. I would even compare it favorably to Lion’s alma mater, Stuyvesant, and my own, Bronx Science.

    I hate to admit it, but Stuyvesant has pulled away from Science and has been eating the latter’s lunch in Intel prizes, etc. for years now. I think that has to do with Science’s inaccessible location and the fact that not all that many of its students are from the Bronx anymore.

    sestamibi

    February 13, 2016 at 10:21 pm


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