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Post-debate first impressions

The big story this debate is how much Trump was booed by the audience.

Apparently, the tickets for the debate are controlled by state party bosses, and they gave tickets to pro-establishment people who love Rubio and Bush, and hate Trump. They didn’t like Cruz that much either.

And the other big story is that Trump went all-in on attacking George W. Bush’s record, especially the Iraq war, and he even blamed Bush for 9/11. For which Trump received a massive booing from the audience.

While before the debate I predicted that everyone would attack Rubio, only Cruz got into an argument with Rubio. Everyone else went after Trump. The exchanges between Cruz and Trump, and between Bush and Trump, were very heated.

It’s really hard to know what to make of this debate.

Trump certainly demonstrated that he’s not with the GOP establishment and that he’s not afraid to disagree with the conservative orthodoxy on various issues. Does this help him or hurt him with primary voters?

Rubio didn’t do horribly as in the previous debate, but he didn’t really impress me either. I think his performance is enough for him to win third place, which is where he was in the most recent poll.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

February 13, 2016 at 11:17 pm

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  1. This was either the worst, or most combative debate. But the audience really put me off. I want the RNC and GOPe punished for pulling that stunt of packing the crowd with their lickspittles.

    Mike Street Station

    February 13, 2016 at 11:23 pm

    • That’s another reason for me to support Trump.


      February 13, 2016 at 11:42 pm

  2. wish he attacked W for letting in millions of muslims and banning racial profiling in airports. Would have been a great counter and probably caused some liberals to literally kill themselves. I know he normally doesn’t attack legal immigration but attacking legal *muslim* immigration would be a good compromise.

    Otis the Sweaty

    February 13, 2016 at 11:26 pm

    • All readers here must understand that immigration is one method of outsourcing the restiveness of the black underclass, which would otherwise become more of an issue for our ruling elites. Africans are a miniscule group, when compared to Hispanic, Asian and Muslim immigrants.


      February 14, 2016 at 12:35 pm

  3. The big story here is Trump’s boorish behavior (interrupting several people constantly) and his personal attacks on Jeb Bush, which left Bush visibly disturbed and struggling to keep his composure. Also Cruz easily won in his skirmish with Trump just by not reacting emotionally. I thought Rubio did much better than in previous debates. I try not to let my anti-Trump bias influence my judgment about the debates, but I have to say that even if I’d been a Trump supporter I’d worry about how Donald came across as angry and rude. I think it’s significant that Lion isn’t raving about Trump’s performance. I always get the feeling that even if his candidate is knee deep in a pile of manure, Lion can manage to see the possible advantages (“anyone who’s ever owned a barn can relate to this. They’ll see candidate x as one of them…..”)


    February 13, 2016 at 11:31 pm

    • Even Rubio called Cruz a liar. The secret’s out.

      Andrew E.

      February 13, 2016 at 11:41 pm

    • Get over it Mary. Trump is nom. Go vote for Hillary. We don’t care.

      GOP is ours now. Christians, TruCons and cucks can join the Dems.

      Otis the Sweaty

      February 13, 2016 at 11:52 pm

      • The Tea Party thought the GOP was there’s too, but as Edward G Robinson might say, “Where’s your Tea Party now Moses?”

        Mike Street Station

        February 14, 2016 at 8:18 am

      • What is a “TruCon”?


        February 14, 2016 at 11:32 am

      • Mike Street: The tea party purged countless GOP establishment figures but they were never as broad a movement as the anti immigration republicans. The anti immigration repubs have already purged Eric Cantor, the House Majority Leader and now are about to nominate Trump in a national primary. Conservatism is dead, anti immigrationism is alive.

        CamelCase: A TrueCon is somebody like Mark Levin or Ted Cruz. They aren’t total cucks as they are generally anti immigration but they are just as, if not more, passionate about issues like Planned Parenthood and “small government”. They are usually fanatically pro life.

        Otis the Sweaty

        February 14, 2016 at 1:32 pm

    • This was a poor debate for Trump. He had something in his eye & his voice was thrown. Attacking W. Probably wasn’t too smart either, as most Republicans still like W. And still believe that there were WMDs (whatever was found was not enough to justify a war).

      For what it’s worth, my Russian mother in law who didn’t know who anybody was and doesn’t speak or understand English didn’t like Trump. So, I think it’s fair to say he didn’t do good on optics or confident body language.


      February 14, 2016 at 12:09 am

      • Your Russian mother-in-law is some sort of barometer of the American electorate? Your logic is unassailable.

        Gregor Samsa

        February 14, 2016 at 7:46 pm

    • >>personal attacks on Jeb Bush, which left Bush visibly disturbed and struggling to keep his composure

      If Jeb is unnerved by Trump then he is clearly unfit to be president.

      Boy, I just can’t wait until Trump rips Hilary a new one. She will probably have a breakdown on stage.

      Playing nice with these people is a loser’s game. Attack, attack, attack, attack. Our adversaries have been doing it for decades, its tie that we adopted this tactic.

      I never really liked Christopher Hitchens, but I loved it when he went on Bill Maher’s show and said something sensible, but provocative to the brain-deal liberals who packed Maher’s audience. The audience would boo and cat-call but Hitchens gave it back as hard as he got. Audience always went silent.


      February 14, 2016 at 12:29 am

    • The big story here is Trump’s boorish behavior (interrupting several people constantly) and his personal attacks on Jeb Bush, which left Bush visibly disturbed and struggling to keep his composure.

      Enough already. The Bush family’s behavior on war and immigration has devastated many people in this country. They need to be smacked around.


      February 14, 2016 at 12:30 am

    • Trump “in a pile of manure”? He’s running the table. Do not get understand this?

      Trump is kicking the neocon trash to the curb where it belongs.

      Get over it, cuck.

      Gregor Samsa

      February 14, 2016 at 7:43 pm

  4. I think his comments about 9/11 and Iraq do raise questions about his foreign policy attitudes which will trouble people. They bother me. Iraq was without question our enemy, and conquering an enemy was not wrong. What was wrong was trying to set up a democracy and leaving the region to its own devices without a strong pro-America ruler in place. We pussied out and allowed the situation to fall apart.

    Also, conservatives have an emotional attachment to GWB because of the years of rhetorical battles they had with liberals about him. When you spend a lot of time on someone’s side, you become emotionally invested. I think people are emotionally invested in Trump too though.

    I nevertheless will probably support Trump because I really appreciate his stance on immigration, his breaking of PC/SJW barriers, and because the scumbag progressives hate him so much.


    February 13, 2016 at 11:34 pm

    • Iraq was a bulwark against Iran, which is also our enemy and vastly more powerful. Destroying Iraq paved the way for ISIS, a much worse enemy than secular Iraq.

      Otis the Sweaty

      February 13, 2016 at 11:54 pm

      • “Iraq was without question our enemy, and conquering an enemy was not wrong. What was wrong was trying to set up a democracy and leaving the region to its own devices without a strong pro-America ruler in place.”

        Iraq was not our enemy in the classical sense. They were not attacking us. There was a strongman in place, which is about as much as it is reasonable to expect in a country like that.


        February 14, 2016 at 12:05 am

      • Well, Saddam was violating the terms of his surrender in the first Gulf War and thought we wouldn’t do anything about it.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 14, 2016 at 1:19 am

      • It would still be a “bulwark” with a srong pro-America dictator in charge. We don’t need to play games about enemies being bulwarks against other enemies.


        February 14, 2016 at 12:18 am

      • “It would still be a “bulwark” with a strong pro-America dictator in charge.”

        If that was our aim, nobody told any in charge about that plan. We basically pushed them to democracy, which was stupid in itself. But then we didn’t even give them the proper package, which involves individual rights, an independent judiciary and checks and balances.

        As those on right are discovering as Obama casts aside rights conservatives care about, checks and balances, and stacks the courts with political people, democracy can be a very raw deal for those not in power.


        February 14, 2016 at 8:28 am

      • This whole mess was a legacy of old liberal rhetoric about how we shouldn’t be “propping up dictators.” That started back in the 70s. Carter cut the Shah loose…and here we are.

        I didn’t really care if we propped them up back then, and I don’t now. If third world countries allow dictatorships then there is probably some good reason for it, like apathy and corruption and ethnic conflict.

        Mrs Stitch

        February 14, 2016 at 10:02 am

      • If Saddam was being a PITA (which he was), we should have helped one of his generals take over in a coup. Like we used to do. Inexpensive and relatively bloodless compared to a massive invasion.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 14, 2016 at 10:03 am

    • I was completely on board with GWB back in the day, but even I have to admit that the war was a terrible mistake. We have 15 years of hindsight now. Even back in 2001, it was very troubling that the terrorists had all been allowed into the country in the first place and allowed to board planes on September 11th. Since then, we’ve doubled down on the immigration policies that made the attack possible.

      Worse, we didn’t learn from our mistake in Iraq and went ahead and toppled Kaddafi in Libya. And now we’re supposed to support the overthrow of Assad in Syria? Where does it end?

      I don’t know about anyone else, but I no longer trust the people (or the conservative/ Republican establishment) that I put my trust in back in 2001. I give Trump credit for seeing the obvious way before I did.


      February 13, 2016 at 11:58 pm

    • Although the attacks on Dubya were ridiculously unfair during his term of service, he failed to defend himself. If you are going to sit on the WMD information they accumulated during the occupation and not even use it to defend the administration’s policies, why should anyone else?

      When almost the entire right was rallying to their war flags over Iraq, I was opposed to the venture because I didn’t think the administration had any business trying to fight two wars at the same time. And they didn’t. They ended up fighting both poorly. As Lion says, Dubya was probably our last Republican President and a lot of the reason rests with him.

      Mike Street Station

      February 14, 2016 at 12:05 am

      • They didn’t sit on WMD information. The WMDs found after the 2003 invasion were pre-1991 vintage. They were not the WMDs used as the pre-text for war. There was a NYT article around October of 2014 that presented the discovery of these old weapons as some kind of revelation. It also gave dead ender war supporters a small piece of meat to work with

        Walter Jeffords

        February 14, 2016 at 8:01 am

      • W. didn’t defend himself because he could not. He could not justify the war because it was based on lies that he and his administration knowingly used to manipulate the American people. Now Poppy Bush is trying to blame it all on his advisors but as the old saying goes “the buck stops here”. I don’t have an ounce of sympathy for the Bushes anymore. They are extraordinarily entitled yet mediocre in every way.


        February 14, 2016 at 8:13 am

      • “They didn’t sit on WMD information. The WMDs found after the 2003 invasion were pre-1991 vintage. They were not the WMDs used as the pre-text for war. ”

        I’m not sure why you think that the pre 1991 WMD had nothing to do with…WMD. One of the many reasons given was that Saddam was hindering the job of the UN weapons inspectors. So of course those weapons were exactly the issue. But I was talking about the political argument. We uncovered multiple caches of WMD in the post invasion era, and while the left was squawking about “Bush lied” the administration said nothing. That political decision basically ended any chance of Republicans winning in 2008 or having credibility in national security.

        Mike Street Station

        February 14, 2016 at 10:03 am

    • I think his comments about 9/11 and Iraq do raise questions about his foreign policy attitudes which will trouble people. They bother me. Iraq was without question our enemy, and conquering an enemy was not wrong.

      911 was in part Bush’s fault because he was not prepared to defend the US against these kinds of non-state attacks. He was also against profiling of muslims pre-911, see Sailer on that.

      Also, Iraq was NEVER “our” enemy……………EVER! That’s a fraud.

      Trump is correct to punch the Bush family in the nose for 911 and Iraq and if Republican party hacks can’t handle that truth, then great.


      February 14, 2016 at 12:28 am

      • A few quotes from Saddam Hussein and the Iraq state media (which he controlled):

        “We will chase [Americans] to every corner at all times. No high tower of steel will protect them against the fire of truth.”
        Saddam Hussein, Baghdad Radio, February 8, 1991

        “[America] will not be excluded from the operations and explosions of the Arab and Muslim mujahidin and all the honest strugglers in the world.”
        Iraq News Agency, January 30, 1991

        “Every Iraqi child, woman, and old man knows how to take revenge…They will avenge the pure blood that has been shed no matter how long it takes.”
        Baghdad Domestic Service, February 15, 1991

        “Does [America] realize the meaning of every Iraqi becoming a missile that can cross to countries and cities?”
        Saddam Hussein, September 29, 1994

        “[O]ur striking arm will reach [America, Britain and Saudi Arabia] before they know what hit them.”
        Al-Qadisiyah, October 6, 1994

        “One chemical weapon fired in a moment of despair could cause the deaths of hundreds of thousands.” Al-Quds al-Arabi, October 12, 1994

        Jumping forwards…

        “What is required now is to deal strong blows to U.S. and British interests. These blows should be strong enough to make them feel that their interests are indeed threatened not only by words but also in deeds.”
        Al-Qadisiyah, February 27, 1999

        “[Iraqis] should intensify struggle and jihad in all fields and by all means…”
        Iraq TV, October 22, 2000

        “If the attacks of September 11 cost the lives of 3,000 civilians, how much will the size of losses in 50 states within 100 cities if it were attacked in the same way in which New York and Washington were? What would happen if hundreds of planes attacked American cities?”
        Al-Rafidayn, September 11, 2002

        “[I]t is possible to turn to biological attack, where a small can, not bigger than the size of a hand, can be used to release viruses that affect everything…”
        Babil, September 20, 2001

        “The United States must get a taste of its own poison…”
        Babil, October 8, 2001

        But sure…not our enemies at all.


        February 14, 2016 at 1:43 am

      • But sure…not our enemies at all.

        True……. NOT AT ALL. Including back in 1990-91.

        The Saudis are OUR enemy and by OUR I mean the US and modern civilization.

        Saddam was just a mafia kingpin in Iraq who was out ally against Iran. Until the US turned on him because the corrupt US government is allied with Saudis and other scum.


        February 14, 2016 at 3:26 am

      • You are correct. Iraq was not our enemy. Even today,it is shocking to see how many apparently rational people still buy the pro war line. To recount -Saddam had no WMDs (even if he had them, he would never have used them against us), Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11 and Saddam was a true enemy of Iran.

        The Iraq war and GWB destroyed the GOP “brand” for people outside of the party.

        I loved how Trump eviscerated Jeb on the whole “we have to remove Assad before attacking ISIS” angle.

        Walter Jeffords

        February 14, 2016 at 8:07 am

    • Iraq was in no way our enemy. This was just neo-con propaganda that people bought into at the time. What are the lasting effects of the Iraq War? The destruction of Christianity in the Near East and the exporting of the Iranian revolution into Iraq. Job well done.

      Actual conservatives have no more attachment to George Bush than they do Obama. Bush was the great subversive who ruined America.


      February 14, 2016 at 12:46 am

      • Saddam himself repeatedly and emphatically stated that Iraq and the Arab/Muslim world were blood enemies of America. I provided some quotes above. But there will always be people who think that it demonstrates intelligence to pretend that the West’s avowed enemies are not, in fact, its enemies.


        February 14, 2016 at 1:54 am

      • Iraq was in no way our enemy. This was just neo-con propaganda that people bought into at the time. What are the lasting effects of the Iraq War? The destruction of Christianity in the Near East and the exporting of the Iranian revolution into Iraq. Job well done.

        Actual conservatives have no more attachment to George Bush than they do Obama. Bush was the great subversive who ruined America.

        Well said and can’t be repeated enough!!!


        February 14, 2016 at 3:28 am

      • “Saddam himself repeatedly and emphatically stated that Iraq and the Arab/Muslim world were blood enemies of America.”

        This was all just bluster by Saddam Hussein. He ruled over a fractious and disjointed country. One must talk big and act big to maintain one’s reputation and credibility in that part of the world. But in reality he was nothing more than a third world tin-pot dictator; the mouse that roared.


        February 14, 2016 at 5:13 pm

    • >>Iraq was without question our enemy

      Iraq was not our enemy. Our enemy was and is Jihadism, and Hussein slaughtered every Jihadi he could get his hands on. Bush stupidly knocked out the man who was doing our dirty work for us.


      February 14, 2016 at 2:23 am

      • Iraq was our enemy?
        Please post the photo of Rumsfeld with his shit-eating grin shaking hands with Saddam. Saddam was our boy when he was killing Iranians. We don’t have permanent enemies. True, we later categorized him as an enemy, but, as explained supra, that was monumental idiocy.

        Skip Foreplay

        February 14, 2016 at 10:25 am

      • And Obama knocked out the buffer zone that prevented sub-saharan savages from entering Southern Europe or the Northern Mediterranean. —- Muammar Gaddafi

        And the Alt-Right or whatever right, would think all Arab/Middle Easterners are our enemies. The same numbskulls who voted for Bush and will vote for another one, if running for office.


        February 14, 2016 at 10:29 am

    • Does every enemy have to be conquered and occupied? Or can some be contained?

      Iraq failed the cost-effectiveness test. Clear strategic error and defeat.


      February 14, 2016 at 8:03 am

    • Iraq was our enemy in the sense that every Islamic country is our enemy and the enemy of every other infidel country. But as long as the Islamic countries remain weak and disorganized and we keep them from infiltrating and subverting the West, we can leave them alone to continue with their endless civil wars and inter-tribal atrocities.

      Mark Caplan

      February 14, 2016 at 10:45 am

    • One has to distinguish between enemies and threats. Iraq was certainly an enemy, but it was not a threat. And the poor intelligence on WMD’s was certainly not a good thing either.

      But I also remember the debates at the time. Yes, it was a bad idea to go to war in hindsight. But does anyone remember what Democrats were offering? Appeasement and understanding the root causes of terrorism against the United States. So, the Democrat solution was to double down on peace and love in the face of getting attacked by enemies. In a world of second-best solutions, the lesser cuck move was the Republican solution.

      Nevertheless, GWB’s solution were and are tertiary compared to Trump’s. By extension, there is nothing to defend about Jeb, who think immigration is an act of love and who even campaigned in Spanish. Rubio and probably Cruz campaigned in Spanish as well.

      Trump attacking these people is perfectly reasonable.


      February 14, 2016 at 1:35 pm

      • Both were wrong because we continuously project our ideas on the Middle East. Even if you accept that removing Saddam from power was correct, why in hell did we get involved in nation building? Majority rule-minority respect does not work in savage societies.


        February 14, 2016 at 5:01 pm

    • Beyond GW and Jeb, this discussion needs to be reopened because Rubio could be the nominee. Besides being pro-amnesty, he is as neocon as they come as are his advisers Stephen Hadley, Jamie Fly, Eric Edelman, Robert Kagan and Elliott Abrams. They are all expecting to rise from the ashes.


      February 14, 2016 at 2:48 pm

    • Sheesh, but neocons are really slow learners.

      Bush lectured us that Islam is a “religion of peace,” and he let in massive waves of them. He did away with racial profiling at airports. He wasted trillions of dollars of hard-earned American taxpayer money. How many American lives were lost or ruined because of George W. Bush’s neocon madness? How many Americans lost their dad, their husband, their son, because of this? Bush also tried his very best to grant amnesty to millions of illegals, and overall he paved the way for a Barack Obama presidency.

      I’ve only just scratched the surface here.

      How is any of this “conservative”? How is any of this not destructive of America’s future. The middle east instability and the taking over of Europe by muslims can be partially laid at the feet of G.W.B.

      May the days of conservatives having an emotional attachment to the likes of G.W.B be put far behind us.

      Gregor Samsa

      February 14, 2016 at 7:56 pm

  5. The audience was really weird. The crowd seemed to cheer blindly for Rubio. The strength of the crowd noise did not correlate with the importance of the points being made. It seemed out of sync or something.


    February 13, 2016 at 11:44 pm

    • I agree that the audience was anti-Trump. And I also agree that it isn’t fair for the GOPe to stack the audience so heavily in favor of establishment candidates. But that doesn’t change the fact that Trump behaved badly during this debate. He already knew that the audience would be against him. He should have behaved better if only to give them less to boo him on. Instead he let himself get emotional and came across as arrogant and bullying. I don’t think this will play well with voters.


      February 13, 2016 at 11:55 pm

      • No matter what Trump did you would be critical maryk…I think. GWB’s biggest mistake was getting Obama elected by attacking Iraq.


        February 14, 2016 at 12:27 am

      • I didn’t like that Cruz at the end turned into a huge snake and slithered off under the podium. Does that mean he won’t take part in the next debate?


        February 14, 2016 at 4:51 am

    • Agree. It was like watching a retarded sitcom, and the laugh track was turned up to full blast at every unfunny utterance. Just disconnected, weird, and obviously contrived.


      February 14, 2016 at 2:44 am

  6. “Bush was talking about immigration and said everyone needs to show more respect for illegal immigrants because they’re struggling to make ends meet.”

    Let that sink in.

    An earlier commenter on some blog said, and I paraphrase, that watching Trump man-handle Jeb was like watching the school bully dunk the wimp’s head in the toilet. Yup.


    February 13, 2016 at 11:53 pm

    • Rifleman

      February 14, 2016 at 1:11 am

  7. Trump did pretty well.
    He’s got a lot of guts.

    “Regular Republicans” tend to be exceedingly loyal to their leaders, but he sees an opening to disconnect those regulars from leadership that has largely failed them.

    SC is not IA with a lot of religious fanatics or NH with its quirks…there are a lot of Republicans in SC that typically just vote for who the party puts forward. Those are the voters who Trump was connecting with/talking to tonight.

    Bush’s candidacy rests almost entirely on the loyalty of these regulars…the fact that they tend to just show up and vote for a zero like Jeb or McCain without putting too much thought into it…

    Trunp’s attacks were designed to show what a zero Jeb is…and I think it was effective.

    He hit hard on immigration, but I thought he was most effective on foreign policy and talking about economic nationalism.

    All in all: pretty good.
    He’s certainly the best candidate the R’s have.

    Kasich: no momentum out of NH. He’s a flat tire, no spark…and doesn’t have the fire for the job.

    Carson needs to go away. As does Bush…the family brand is damaged and he is a weak personality.

    FB (Former Beta)

    February 14, 2016 at 12:05 am

    • SC is not IA with a lot of religious fanatics

      Just reminds me again of how much I hate those people. They have ruined America.

      Otis the Sweaty

      February 14, 2016 at 1:53 am

      • Like it or not, Christians made this country. You are absolutely pathetic for repeating your vile over and over and over.


        February 14, 2016 at 2:12 am

      • They were moderate Christians, not single-issue anti-abortion types.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 14, 2016 at 9:44 am

      • According to Gallup South Carolina is more religious than Iowa. Although part of that has to do with the large number of religious blacks in South Carolina.

        Jay Fink

        February 14, 2016 at 3:12 am

      • Without religious and traditionalist people we will be just where Europe is, committing suicide by not reproducing. Have you ever been in ultra-liberal Seattle? They are proud to be America’s childless city, where there are almost twice as many pets as children.


        February 14, 2016 at 5:10 pm

    • SC has plenty of religious fanatics too. It’s just that the Iowa caucus system favors the unusually organized and motivated. Apparently, Iowa evangelical churches are good at getting their members out to vote.

      This advantage mostly doesn’t matter in states with normal primaries.

      Winging It

      February 14, 2016 at 8:21 am

  8. I’m just amazed that iJabe! brought up his leadership of Florida during multiple hurricanes. Because there’s no baggage with regard to being a Bush and hurricane disaster relief.


    February 14, 2016 at 12:26 am

    • That hurricane blew right past two Democrats and landed in the lap of the Republican. Whew, close one!


      February 14, 2016 at 4:53 am

  9. The Drudge poll is just as heavily pro-Trump as previous ones.


    February 14, 2016 at 12:41 am

  10. I’m not a Republican. This is the first one of these I’ve watched all the way through. For what they are worth, my impressions:

    1. I thought that Carson made the most reasoned arguments. I disagree when he argued against more regulation of the financial industry, but there may be Republicans who like that. His only real misstep was a minor one at the end, the fake Stalin quote.

    Being a good surgeon really doesn’t qualify someone to be President of the U.S. I wish the Republicans could find a safe congressional district for this guy.

    2. Trump had a hostile audience that seemed to get to him, but came across as someone who would state his opinions honestly and not back down, and had the better of the foreign policy arguments. I think he is vulnerable on the “not a real Republican” charge.

    3. Jeb Bush finally seemed to have a background, stood up to Trump, and cited his record in Florida, which he should have done much earlier. He seems to still be just getting the hang of countering Trump.

    4. Cruz did well, but really should have done better given Scalia’s death. He clerked on the Supreme Court and probably knew or knows Scalia personally.

    5. Rubio improved from the last time, but that is a low bar, and he lost his arguments with Cruz.

    6. Kasich disappointed. It was really hard to make out what he was going on about.

    Bush could get this after all, by being the last alternative to Trump, if he can manage to win somewhere.


    February 14, 2016 at 12:55 am

  11. Jeb’s momma!


    February 14, 2016 at 1:00 am

    • It’s really quite unbelievable that Trump can get away with saying the WTC came down during Bush Jr’s tenure. They got uuuuuuge boos. He also praised Planned Parenthood. Movement conservatives despise him.

      Bush has a terrible last name. Take that and add immigration — he can’t be the guy.

      Cruz looks like a used car salesman and most people in the party establishment loathe him.

      Kasich is not exciting and conservative enough.

      That leaves Rubio as the only viable candidate. Rubio could defeat Sanders or Clinton.


      February 14, 2016 at 1:52 am

      • Rubio couldn’t possibly win the general election, the 90s are over. Elections today are not won by winning over the swing voter; they are won by increasing turnout among the base.


        February 14, 2016 at 2:09 am

      • It’s really quite unbelievable that Trump can get away with saying the WTC came down during Bush Jr’s tenure.

        Yeah amazing he could “get away” with stating an historical fact. If 911 had happened on Clinton’s or Obama’s watch Republican hacks would never let them off the hook.

        That leaves Rubio as the only viable candidate. Rubio could defeat Sanders or Clinton.

        Rubio is a dumb guy with no resume who is anti abortion EVEN IN THE CASE OF RAPE OR INCEST.

        Good job in the general election with that position while the supreme court is now a big issue.

        Plus, Rubio is pro amnesty, open borders and globalist on trade. He’s just a younger version of Bush.

        He’s everything Trump and the revolution are against.


        February 14, 2016 at 3:37 am

      • “It’s really quite unbelievable that Trump can get away with saying the WTC came down during Bush Jr’s tenure. ”

        There’s no way Trump can get away with a lie like that. Just listen to the audience boo.

        See, I’ll just check le Wik and Bush didn’t take office until September 11, 2001. Nine Eleven happened on September 11, 2001. So it’s clearly unbelievable that any serious candidate would dare say that Bush was in office for most of a year before the attacks.


        February 14, 2016 at 4:12 am

      • You have a promising future as NYT editorial writer. Tell us more about how foam boy will defeat the Democrats.


        February 14, 2016 at 4:59 am

      • Rubio promoted amnesty. And he’s spent much of his life supported by a Miami car dealer which is just plain weird. Plus, the White House pool is an inappropriate place for foam parties. The folks who are supporting Rubio simply because he performs better against Hillary in early head on head polls should consider the insignificance of such polls this far out. Here are some early head on head polls from the past:

        f you trusted the polls in late 1991, you might have thought Bill Clinton was finished in the 1992 presidential election. George H.W. Bush was ahead of Clinton by 21 percentage points at the time.

        Early polls had Jimmy Carter defeating Ronald Reagan by 16 percentage points in the 1980 election.

        George W. Bush had a 12-percentage-point advantage over Al Gore in the early polls for the 2000 election, but Gore went on to win the national popular vote by half a percentage point.


        February 14, 2016 at 5:44 am

      • Did you hear Rubio’s immigration plan? It was a rehash of what was offered by other milquetoast Republicans, with one element missing:

        The illegals never leave.


        February 14, 2016 at 2:04 pm

  12. Trump is RIGHT.

    Dubya (both Bushes, really) was a disaster for this country and Republican party.
    -Failed and misbegotten war in Iraq without any positive to show for it.
    -Increased legal, illegal, and Islamic immigration and an attempt at amnesty.
    -the unabated corporate gutting of the middle class jobs and wages.
    -cuckservative support of the liberal/corporate multicult-feminist machines.

    The Bushes are the prototype of globalist model; an invade the world/invite the world insanity. I don’t care how gentlemanly Poppy Bush is, it’s time someone told the Bush family to go to hell. If Republicans can’t see how harmful their party and presidents have been to the people, then it’s time to end (or upend) the GOP. Trump is a hero and is a force who can finally put forth the ideas of the REAL RIGHT, of Pat Buchannan et al.


    February 14, 2016 at 2:08 am

  13. It’s worth remembering that Trump opposed the Iraq war from the left, in his previous incarnation as a liberal Democrat. There were a lot of reminders of this during the debate some of which were brought up by Trump himself. His entire rhetoric about why he opposed the war consisted of the standard clichés about GW Bush being a liar who should be impeached.

    Just because the Iraq war looks like a terrible decision in retrospect, I don’t think that means Republicans are willing to concede that all the left-wing rhetoric from that era was valid or correct. I actually felt like Trump was being his true self when he brought up some of these things, and it was kind of jarring. If he wants to win the election he has to get more than just a minority of Republicans supporting him. I don’t think showing such open contempt for the Iraq war and the last republican president is a good way to do that.


    February 14, 2016 at 3:18 am

    • There is plenty of audio, video, editorials, etc. in which Trump praises Obama and Hillary. He’s either a Democrat or he just says whatever he thinks will help him finalize his current “deal.” It’s very possible he will win the presidency and do absolutely nothing about immigrants, because he was just saying that stuff to get elected (past deal) and he thinks being nice to Mexicans and Muslims will help him close his current deal (like some kind of legislation that he needs Democrat support on.)


      February 14, 2016 at 11:27 am

    • The Left argument against the war in Iraq:
      -the war was “illegal” because of the UN and the evils of “unilateralism” or something
      -war is not the answer bumper-sticker kumbaya peacenik junk
      -Saddam had nothing to do with 911/Al Queda and is not a threat (TRUE)
      -there are no weapons of mass destruction (TRUE)
      -destabilization of the region and unchecking of Iran (TRUE)
      -democracy will not work in the Arab Middle East (TRUE)

      The (real) RIGHT argument against Iraq War
      -Saddam had nothing to with 911/Al Queada and is not a threat (TRUE)
      -there are no weapons of mass destruction (TRUE)
      -destabilization of the region and unchecking of Iran (TRUE)
      -democracy will not work in the Arab Middle East (TRUE)

      Bush/Cheney/Powell/Rove/Rumsfeld lied and were WRONG about everything!

      And to make matters stupider, they really did believe their own nonsense about “democracy” and Iraqi ladies waving their ink-stained fingers after voting. I’d prefer it if they really were ruthless warmongers who went in strictly to take the oil and prop up a brutal strong man. That at least could be argued to be in America’s interest.

      In sum, here is Dubya and the Republican party:
      -failed wars
      -hispandering per the brilliant Rove strategy
      -“Mexico is our friend” and “Islam is a religion of Peace”
      -DHS that is not allowed to racially profile Arabs; therefore it’s just another weapon against the American people
      -OPEN BORDERS (for every Mexican and Arab on EARTH 24/7/365)
      -Harriet Myers and John Roberts
      -being deeply hurt that Kenye West called him racist
      -zero rollback of government or any welfare program
      -no child left behind HBD denialism
      -bailing out the Big Banks who made a ton of money giving loans to minorities because the government forced them to. (and the government and the Banks are the same thing, anyway)
      -billions in AID to Africa

      A few weeks ago Hannity made the “brave” statement that he thinks Western Civ. (whatever that is anymore) is superior to Islamic Civ.

      His rationale? Because here we let women go to school, vote, work, etc.

      From a cuckservative, Wesern Civ. is only justifiable/legimitate under feminist/liberal terms.

      The GOP MUST DIE! I rest my case.


      February 14, 2016 at 12:08 pm

      • Most Republican voters actually like the Republican party and do not think “the GOP MUST DIE.” I don’t think a Republican presidential candidate has any chance of getting elected if his campaign is based on hatred for its history, voters, and politicians.

        Trump should run as a third party candidate if he hates the GOP so much.


        February 14, 2016 at 2:36 pm

    • Trump has been a Republican at least since 1988. Larry King interviews him at the Republican Convention:


      February 14, 2016 at 5:20 pm

    • It’s worth remembering that Trump opposed the Iraq war from the left, in his previous incarnation as a liberal Democrat.

      Sure just like noted liberal Democrat Pat Buchanan or left winger Ron Paul.


      February 15, 2016 at 1:32 am

  14. Can you believe this guy? What a doofus!

    The troll is his wife.


    February 14, 2016 at 3:49 am

  15. In other news, a female caller says how manly Trump turns her on. Certainly being an alpha is a political asset. h/t Scott Adams.


    February 14, 2016 at 4:21 am

  16. jeb pimps him mom. disgusting.


    February 14, 2016 at 4:28 am

  17. I live tweeted here if anyone wants to check it out. I must say I gave a great analysis. Check out “tweets w/replies”


    February 14, 2016 at 4:53 am

  18. If Jeb is the candidate then the Dems will hit 9/11 and Iraq full force. The election will be a referendum on Dubya not Obama like it should be. This is why Jeb MUST be hit on this during the nomination and MUST NOT be the candidate.


    February 14, 2016 at 8:08 am

  19. I have a feeling Trump locked up the nomination a while back – he hit the right points at the right time and what’s going on now is a sideshow. Enough people have already made up their minds about him strongly enough that saying a few things they disagree with won’t lose him their votes. I think he’ll win South Carolina by a wide margin.


    February 14, 2016 at 10:07 am

  20. My impressions….

    The GOP is the most disgusting political party in any major democracy. The fact that they packed the audience with Trump-haters, who booed him at every opportunity, is proof of that, if any is needed. Because booing a guy makes the audience sympathetic to the person who is being booed, and Trump disgraced himself last night. If GOPe had just allowed a regular audience to attend, and had admonished them to be quiet and polite, that would have been obvious. Instead, the story is how Trump faced down a hostile audience and talk truth to power.

    I had to turn it off. I couldn’t stand watching Trump’s beet red face and his obvious, childish, idiotic ill temper. He should have been calm and dignified. He was neither. His answers (at least until 10:20, when I turned it off) were vituperative, all over the place, and illogical. And this is coming from a person who agrees with him about practically everything (except his tax plan, which is a disaster, and that’s a pretty big thing).

    Somewhere near the beginning the guy moderator asked him a question – I actually forget about what, sorry — and Trump wasted 30 precious seconds talking about how great he was and how he could work with other people because he was a businessman — before actually answer the question. I hate when he does that. The sad part is that his answer to the question was forceful and logical. So why not just answer the question?

    He wasted a lot of time attacking Jeb personally, which is truly low-class. If he wants to go OT, he should talk about the invasion of Europe, and how all the military might in the world isn’t going to thwart that.

    Upshot: no one won. The entire GOP lost.


    February 14, 2016 at 11:40 am

    • Naturally I think you’re wrong. Last night was Trump giving expiation for the Republican Party. Bushism (wars, regime change, immigration, globalism) has been a complete and total failure for the country and for the Republicans. It’s needs to be repudiated in toto stridently, fervently and without waiver. Trump did that last night and if he goes on to win SC and the nomination then Bushism will forever be dead in the GOP and that is a very great thing.

      Andrew E.

      February 14, 2016 at 11:53 am

    • I agree with this analysis 100%.

      I’m really starting to notice how brazenly Trump — the supposed great honest truth-teller — just ignores questions. This late in the campaign, it’s remarkable how often we still just have to imagine what he thinks or believes about this-or-that issue because he refuses to give honest or clear answers when asked. He rambles, he gets mad, he has annoying, braggy stock phrases.

      Mr. Trump, how exactly are you going to deport all the illegals? Please be specific.

      “I tell you, what is going on right now on our southern border is a disaster. It is a disaster. We are going to get things under control down there, we are going to build a wall, by the way Mexico is going to pay for the wall, I’m going to make them because I am a deal maker, I make fantastic deals not like Obama who made the deal with Iran, the worst deal I have ever seen in my entire life, just a complete disaster. Americans are tired of stupid deals, they want great deals, and that’s why we are working so hard to make America great again.”

      By the way, that above quote is an actual Trump quote. Or maybe it’s not. Can you tell?


      February 14, 2016 at 2:44 pm

      • I think it is an actual Trump quote.

        Last night was the first time I actually looked at the guy since he kicked off his run. I watched his response to the killing of Kate Steinle, and I was kind of bowled over. I thought that a guy who had the balls to address this honestly deserved my attention, and perhaps support.

        But last night, I saw the real Donald Trump in action. I really didn’t like what I saw. If he makes a few rational policy proposals, gives some real speeches, and develops some gravitas, I’ll take another look.


        February 14, 2016 at 5:41 pm

      • Whenever Trump is asked by the media how he would deport 11 million illegals, the implicit assumption behind the question is always clearly that we can’t and that we shouldn’t. Trump understands this and answers by reframing the question by saying the absolutely have to do it, we have no choice and the ‘how’ is secondary and incidental.

        That said, he has in the past given Eisenhower’s Operation Wetback as an example and model.

        Andrew E.

        February 14, 2016 at 10:46 pm

      • “That said, he has in the past given Eisenhower’s Operation Wetback as an example and model.”

        Sigh. Whenever Trump supporters counter Reaganism, they say, “this is not 1980.” And of course, they recite mindlessly phrases from their cult leader Steve Sailer, “it’s always Selma,” “it’s always 1933,” and so on.

        Look: it’s not 1959. No one is going to deport 11 million illegals. (I happen to think there are at least 20 million, but who’s counting?)

        If there were an attempt to deport millions of people, there would be violence. BLM would look like child’s play.

        I am grateful to Trump for pointing out that the Emperor has no clothes and for punching GOPe in the guts. But he’s playing with fire, and he’s out of control. Be careful what you wish for.


        February 15, 2016 at 9:19 am

      • Defeatism is so pre-Trump.

        Andrew E.

        February 15, 2016 at 12:06 pm

    • “If he makes a few rational policy proposals, gives some real speeches, and develops some gravitas, I’ll take another look.”

      We don’t live in that world any more. The days of gentlemanly presidents like Eisenhower are over. It’s funny that people go after Trump for his vulgarity, considering that the debasement of our culture has been a project of the Left for decades.


      February 15, 2016 at 1:17 am

    • He has a right to attack Jeb, because they are competitors, and a duty to attack Jeb, because the Democrats will make precisely the same attacks if Jeb gets the nomination. If Jeb can’t withstand those attacks from a fellow Republican then he has no business getting the nomination because he is a fatally flawed candidate who would lose to the Democrats — and this is indeed the case.


      February 15, 2016 at 7:23 am

  21. Trump is the only nationalist, so of course he has positions outside the Conservative Orthodoxy; like Planned Parenthood, the Iraq War (which turned out badly), etc.

    As for the Iraq War, it was the last gasp of the Carter Doctrine. Saddam WAS a threat — directly to the Saudis who we propped up in exchange for moderation on the price of oil. Shale has changed that calculation, as has the general global oversupply, so the idea that the US would actively intervene militarily in the Gulf to protect the Saudis from Iran or Saddam or the Russians as articulated by Carter is dead. And not coming back. But back then — 2001-3 it was not so out of fashion, indeed it was orthodoxy as understood by both Hillary and Bush. We’d already fought Saddam once to kick him out of Kuwait and keep our military on the price of global oil.

    What we are seeing NOW is the next phase — mass Muslim immigration into the West and JIHAD! right next door. Syed Farook and the Tsarnaevs btw did not come from anywhere near Iraq. Rather Pakistan and Chechnya respectively.

    Trump got ahead of the curve for the general election; his position is “Not Bush” and responsive to the crisis facing America now — lots of Muslims coming in and doing Jihad when they are not running scams, escaping jail and kidnapping cab drivers, etc. While it is unfair to the time and place, that’s politics not a historical analysis.

    Fundamentally the problem with the Iraq War was a failure to understand the old Cold War structures and assumptions were dead — that the US no longer NEEDED to guarantee the House of Saud for affordable oil; and that deals could be made with Putin instead against the common enemy of mass Muslim migration into the West, making the West into Muslim hellholes rather than “uplifting” Muslims into enlightenment and offering cheap GoodWhite status mongering shots at BadWhites.


    February 14, 2016 at 2:22 pm

    • The beginning of your post is the key to the election: Trump is the only nationalist of all the Republican and Democrat candidates. He leads a nationalist movement that mirrors what’s happening in the rest of the developed world with the difference that only in America it can change everything and also become a beacon to Europe. Not for nothing we’re exceptional.


      February 14, 2016 at 5:34 pm

  22. I have no problem with Donald Trump saying our actions in Iraq were a failure…, but I think he’s wrong about George Bush having lied RE: WMD’s. He doesn’t have to tow the party line, to be a good republican candidate. Someone who thinks for his own self, if more appealing as a leader.


    February 15, 2016 at 2:48 pm

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