Lion of the Blogosphere

Horrible week for Trump

Before the South Carolina debate, Trump had a commanding lead in South Carolina polls fresh off of his huge win in New Hampshire. Before the debate, I predicted that Trump would hit 40% in the South Carolina primary based on his overperformance compared to live-interview polls and his momentum from New Hampshire.

Those same polls also showed that Rubio was by far the strongest “establishment lane” candidate in South Carolina despite his poor performance in New Hampshire. So before the debate, it seemed obvious to me that Trump would go after Rubio at the debate in order to prevent an “establishment lane” candidate from breaking out.

Instead, Trump ignored Rubio during the debate and swung at Jeb, and attacked him by attacking his brother hard, blaming W for 9/11 and lying about WMD. I think his attacks were effective against Jeb. Jeb is gone. Which doesn’t help Trump at all because it just makes it easier for the establishment to consolidate around Marco “the Boy Wonder” Rubio.

And I think that the attack on W, plus the other stuff which happened during the last week, hurt Trump’s support by a lot. Instead of winning 40% in South Carolina, he only won 32.5%. That’s a loss of 7.5 percentage points.

Frank Bruni, writing in an op-ed in the New York Times, sums it up:

[Trump] won [South Carolina] after what appeared to be one of the worst weeks that a candidate could have.

It began at the most recent debate, where he trashed the last Republican president, George W. Bush, and accused him of lying to the American people as he led them into war in Iraq. He sounded like a liberal Democrat. Republican primary voters, especially those in the South, aren’t typically receptive to that.

Over the next days, Trump sounded even more like a liberal Democrat, at least as described by Ted Cruz, who went after him relentlessly, armed with Trump’s own past statements in support of abortion rights and Planned Parenthood.

The week got messier from there. Trump picked a fight with the Pope. Trump picked a fight with Apple. It became evident that no personage or brand, no matter how beloved, was safe from his wrath. You had to wonder what or whom he’d go after next. Kittens? Betty Crocker? Betty White?

Then Trump spoke up for a key aspect of Obamacare before realizing what he’d done and assuring everyone that he deplored every aspect of Obamacare, which paled in comparison with Trumpcare, whatever that might turn out to be.

This prompted extensive commentary on Trump’s inconsistencies and a fresh round of murmuring about an imminent tumble.

Despite the bad week, the headline for the op-ed is “Is There Any Stopping Donald Trump?” and that sums up the tone of the rest of the op-ed, and there’s a lot of that in the MSM.

There’s a lot of irony here. For months and months I’ve been explaining that Trump is the real deal and that the MSM is completely wrong. But today, I am telling you that Trump had a bad week, while the MSM is saying that Trump had a “huge” win in South Carolina. Yes, Wolf Blitzer and other talking heads on CNN last night kept using the word “huge.” Even though Trump had a horrible week, the expectations of the MSM have always been that Trump would magically disappear by around now. Even though Trump underperformed polls from two or three weeks ago, the MSM never believed those polls and always expected that Trump would lose support once voting started for real. Trump, by winning South Carolina, has vastly exceeded the expectations of the MSM which were always in denial of the polls, and it shows in how they are talking about him.

What Trump needs to do between now and Super Tuesday (also called the “SEC Primary”) is to get his act together. He needs to stop being controversial and start acting more boring and more presidential and suck up to the Republican voters on stuff they care about even if Trump thinks those things are stupid. And he also needs to take down Rubio at the next debate. Rubio can easily be attacked on immigration and his co-sponsorship of the so-called “Gang of Eight” bill. Attacking Rubio on immigration doesn’t cause any harm to Trump. Trump can also safely point out that being a Senator just means going to committee meetings and schmoozing with big-money donors and Rubio doesn’t have any experience running a huge organization like Trump does.

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Good news for Trump is that Kasich is definitely staying in the race. At least that’s what he’s publicly saying. We (as Trump supporters) should hope that he does surprisingly well in NV at the expense of Rubio.

Note that for the last week I have been predicting that Bush would drop out but I have been a lot less sure about what Kasich will do. My take has been, and still is, that he really wants to stay in, but he will face intense pressure from the GOPe to drop out in order to clear room for Rubio. Maybe the GOPe intends to let him play in NV before they call him with demands to drop out before the debate on Thursday.

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Conventional wisdom on Carson is that he takes votes away from Cruz, but I think he also takes votes away from Rubio. Cruz attracts only the TrueCon vote. I think that Carson and Rubio split the vote of evangelical anti-abortion voters who want a more soft-spoken candidate. As I previously pointed out, Rubio, who opposes abortion even in cases of rape, is considered a True Christian (even though he’s Catholic), unlike Jeb, Kasich, or Trump.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

February 21, 2016 at 10:25 am

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  1. Trump needs to be more boring?

    What’s next, Lion, asking water to be more dry?

    njguy73

    February 21, 2016 at 10:40 am

    • Trump does need to pull some regular Republican voters who have been supporting other candidates. Acting more Presidential and serious would help ease them into the Trumpening.

      Mike Street Station

      February 21, 2016 at 12:56 pm

      • Right. Isn’t that the conventional wisdom, to start acting a bit more sane and less divisive going into the post-primary period?

        Dain

        February 21, 2016 at 6:35 pm

  2. A second dominating win, and one of his enemies goes away. Yeah, that’s “horrible” all right… it must suck to be him.

    Tarl

    February 21, 2016 at 10:44 am

  3. I no longer have the patience to humor stupid Republican voters and I suspect Trump no longer does either after putting up with them for months. Trump is going to win or lose on his own terms. If we win, great, if we don’t, we burn the GOP to the ground in the process.

    The stuff with Apple and the Pope didn’t hurt Trump at all.

    Bashing Dubya may have hurt Trump but at worst it cost him a few points. The people most upset about the W stuff were already TDSers and some Cruz supporting cucks.

    Texas doesn’t look good but Trump will win the rest of the SEC primary. SC exposed Cruz for the utter fraud that he is and we don’t have to worry about the stupid Christians giving him any other state because only IA has a high enough concentration of stupid Christians to make a difference.

    Otis the Sweaty

    February 21, 2016 at 10:54 am

    • Yes, an IA friend of mine has been a Cruz man all along but he got a big kick out of Trump sticking it to the Pope.

      Dinghy

      February 21, 2016 at 12:44 pm

    • If we win, great, if we don’t, we burn the GOP to the ground in the process.

      If Trump goes down in flames he’ll take any chance of sensible immigration reform with him.

      Lloyd Llewellyn

      February 21, 2016 at 4:15 pm

      • It might also hurt the ability of others to speak freely about immigration, because SJWs would be emboldened to send their mobs after anyone who speaks up. They would see a Trump collapse as a success for their tactics even if he lost for other reasons.

        Perturabo

        February 21, 2016 at 8:32 pm

  4. As a businessman, Trump understands the importance of an occasional “loss leader”. His criticism of George W. Bush hurt him a little in the short term, but will be a huge payoff in the long run. He is already framing the narrative that Hillary was a supporter of the war and its establishment allies. Taking on the Pope just further solidified his courage in unapologetically standing up for American interests. I think it was his best week yet.

    B.T.D.T.

    February 21, 2016 at 10:56 am

    • If Trump waits until October to start attacking Hillary’s credibility on national security, she will criticise his lack of experience in government and Trump will make no progress.

      He needed to take a hit now by proving he can tell the truth even to Republicans and win. Now when Trump tells the truth about Hillary’s lying and betrayal of the country in 2002 and links it to Libya and Syria it’s going to stick.

      Trump had to accept losing the rest of his neocon vote in the primary in order to build credibility for November. If Trump tried to pivot after the primary, the press and voters would just laugh at him.

      This is not a bad week. This is a required investment. Trump isn’t aiming at the nomination; he’s aiming at the Oval.

      And that’s why Trump is sticking up for universal care and Planned Parenthood. Democrats have a structural advantage in presidential races. A standard Republican campaign is a guaranteed loser, and Trump is going to lose a few core Republicans for being the outsider. Trump needs a big turnout of working class whites, a higher share of working class blacks, and a meaningful handful of Bernie Bros. It’s the only way to win.

      owentt

      February 21, 2016 at 3:20 pm

      • Agreed that he has to start confronting Hillary on foreign policy. In fact, at this point he should just ignore Cruz and Rubio and turn both guns on the Clintons. If there is one thing that unites all the various factions of the GOP it is their hatred of Bill and Hillary. If he can consistently get under her skin (and he will), it will sway more and more of the remaining primary voters to his side. It also psychologically establishes him as the presumptive nominee.

        B.T.D.T.

        February 21, 2016 at 6:03 pm

    • Great comment, and awentt’s too. And sorry, Lion, my comment on the other thread was supposed to go here.

      vdorta

      February 21, 2016 at 3:53 pm

  5. Long game: did Trump’s slips hurt him in the Super Tuesday states? Losing a few percentage points doesn’t really matter if he’s still #1.

    Attacking W will likely serve to help Trump in the general election, even if it hurts him a bit now.

    JayMan

    February 21, 2016 at 11:15 am

    • You’re missing the point that LoBS made. What may have hurt him was turning this into a 3-way race. On the other hand, maybe he felt Jeb was more of a threat that Rubio because at least Jeb has been honest with the voters and the AmnestyBot can be easily dispelled with. Rubio is a turncoat and Republicans are in NO mood for turncoats.

      I talked to a lot of hardcore Cruz supporters over the weekend and none of them prefer Rubio over Trump. As much as I don’t want Trump to win the nomination and as much as I don’t trust him, Amnesty Boy as POTUS means Republicans (as we know them), Conservatives and Libertarians never win another national election in our lifetimes. It also means we never win on any of our issues ever again.

      mvetsel

      February 22, 2016 at 9:11 am

  6. “And I think that the attack on W, plus the other stuff which happened during the last week, hurt Trump’s support by a lot. Instead of winning 40% in South Carolina, he only won 32.5%. That’s a loss of 7.5 percentage points.”

    It wasn’t just the Bush stuff that happened this week. There were also his comments about Planned Parenthood, the Pope fight, and Rubio getting endorsed by just about everyone in the state. Plus, these things naturally tighten as time goes on.

    I don’t think the Bush stuff hurt him, maybe cost him 2% or so. Any Republican brainwashed enough to still revere George W. Bush and his wars wasn’t going for Trump anyway.

    Hepp

    February 21, 2016 at 11:33 am

  7. I wouldn’t call it a horrible week for Trump, but I would say it was an under performing one and he is still vulnerable.

    There was no point in walloping Jeb so hard; it was more useful for him to be a laughing stock/whipping boy and siphoning off votes from Rubio.

    The attack on Dubya may have gone too far in the claim that he lied. I think Dubya and crew were “eager” to invade Iraq regardless what intelligence was there. Regardless, it was perhaps a poor short-term strategy in the GOP race, but may pay off with voters in a general. Trump’s attack wasn’t liberal democrat, it was more Buchannite/Paleo.

    But it was the Pope that picked a fight with Trump! Trump had no control over that and if anything it highlighted how all the forces of hell were lining up against him and trying to thwart the people’s will of closing the damn border.

    I think Trump does need to articulate his healthcare plan better. He’s made allusions to some single-payer type mechanism and he needs to elaborate on that. Most Republicans aren’t libertarians and would be interested in hearing about a better system just like they aren’t interested in ending an “entitlement” like Social Security or hearing about how they should work till they’re 75.

    So again, Trump needs to raise his gravitas game. Put people at ease and start throwing some policy in there. He can’t be fighting everybody all the time; it makes people nervous. And crush Rubio on immigration, truancy, and foam parties.

    Also, perhaps he should reconsider having Melania say a few words at his victories. The woman doesn’t speak English and her saying that he’ll be the “best president ever” reminds people that this man has been a professional celebrity for 30 years. Just give the mic to Ivanka or one of his sons.

    fakeemail

    February 21, 2016 at 11:34 am

    • I liked the words by Melania. It was great to soften his image showing him as a family man with a wife and children who support him.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 21, 2016 at 12:06 pm

      • I suppose. But I’m amazed Trump’s opponents haven’t hit him harder with the celebrity angle (not that it’d necessarily be that effective). But there is grist there with the three marriages, Trump University, and Trump steaks.

        fakeemail

        February 21, 2016 at 3:39 pm

      • Melania should tone down her glamorous, slavic, model image and appear a bit more matronly. American women don’t like it rubbed into their face that they are so far behind her in looks and beauty. One easy thing she could do is sweep her hair up, off her forehead. Bangs and long tresses hanging down the sides are for teenagers, college party girls and young girls in their twenties. And she should smile more.

        Daniel

        February 21, 2016 at 3:48 pm

      • Her beauty creates social proof that Trump is an alpha male. How did having a dumpy wife work out for Scott Walker?

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 21, 2016 at 3:52 pm

      • I don’t know if she softens his image. She looks extremely icy and tough; which I’m sure she is. This no sweety-pie. His successful and articulate children are a better reflection of the man.

        But Melania is social proof of his alpha-ness. And American women who are put off by how inferior they are in comparison are probably voting Democrat anyway.

        fakeemail

        February 21, 2016 at 5:01 pm

      • Melania should tone down her glamorous, slavic, model image and appear a bit more matronly. American women don’t like it rubbed into their face that they are so far behind her in looks and beauty

        Unless it’s Michelle Obama, then it’s ok to done on endlessly about her alleged “beauty.” (which I’m don’t see myself)

        Camlost

        February 21, 2016 at 5:45 pm

      • If anybody ever projected alpha maleness it was JFK. Jackie Kennedy was an attractive woman, but she managed to revel in her beauty and youth while projecting a certain reserve. Jackie Kennedy was unquestionably an asset to JFK. Melania is older than Jackie was when JFK ran, but she gives off an appearance of a New York City party girl (I am not saying that she is one, or ever was one). Elliot Spitzer was just caught – again – with a Slavic prostitute at the Plaza Hotel in New York. A Slavic party girl. Many people have an idea in their head of the young Slavic New York party girl (prostitute) on the make. All I am saying is that she should adjust her appearance a bit, something along the lines of the way Princess Diana presented herself. Such a move will certainly help Trump, in my opinion.

        An additional point, her Slavic background (and accent) can be a great asset. There are many Slavic Americans, especially in very important swing states (Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Ohio, West Virginia, Texas even, Illinois may even be in play for Trump with Melania at his side.) The fact of her Slavic background and accent will appeal to Slavic Americans and other Americans, in a way that Jeb’s wife and her Mexican background did not and could not. It is also a positive feature that Melania speaks perfect English with just a touch of an endearing accent. Melania is a beautiful lady, adopting a little reserve will not obscure her beauty and will wipe subconscious images of the Slavic party girl out of the minds of the American voter.

        Daniel

        February 21, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    • Gravitas? He is the ONLY person in the race who has it.Not Peewee Rubio, not Chomo Cruz.

      Tarl

      February 21, 2016 at 1:12 pm

      • Gravitas meaning calmer statesmanship.

        fakeemail

        February 21, 2016 at 3:37 pm

      • How did that work out for Romney and Jabe?

        Tarl

        February 21, 2016 at 4:41 pm

    • @Daniel, didn’t they say the same about Jackie Kennedy? Of course, some say that he stole the election, so there may have been a bit of truth to that charge.

      gothamette

      February 21, 2016 at 3:57 pm

    • One more thing. I assume that Melania is Catholic, since she is from Slovenia, a 100% Catholic country. It wouldn’t hurt Trump if he could get a photo op of her going to Mass on Sunday, take the edge off this silly contretemps with the Pope, though I do believe that the Pope was at fault here.

      Daniel

      February 21, 2016 at 6:34 pm

  8. I haven’t read the earlier blog post yet. There is enough here to comment on, so I will just join the conversation here.

    Essentially, these are good points. The establishments in both parties advanced a little last week. In sports terms, they didn’t score, but they got more runners on base/ got a first down.

    The GOPe got Bush to drop out after all his money disappeared into “consultants”. I differ from Kevin Philips in that I don’t think the Bush family is in the inner circle of the “establishment”. I think they are essentially a New England patrician family that the inner circle finds useful, mostly because of their willingness to relocate to the Sunbelt, and who in turn are willing to be used. If John Ellis Bush was really a free agent, it would have made sense for him to try to keep going until Florida, to try to win his home state, knock out Rubio, take at least those delegates into the convention, and hope to emerge as the alternative to Trump later. Something like this is Kasich’s strategy, and he didn’t drop out. Spending all his money on “consultants” forced him to drop out. Rachel Maddow made a similar point on MSNBC.

    Now they can put all their chips on Rubio and really push him, which I think was the plan all along. To go along with LOB’s other point, I dont see Trump breaking past the 40% as he needs to do to thwart the GOPe strategy. It should be noted that this is the first time he has tried to run as a candidate in the election. Normally candidates have at least run in a few downballot races before trying for a presidential nomination, and this seems to help making some obvious errors.

    By my count, the Republicans and Democrats between them have made 34 presidential nominations between them since World War 2. As it turns out, 22 of these nominations went to someone who had run before for national office, either as that party’s nominee for President or Vice President, or as a candidate in the Presidential primaries. Sometimes, as in 2012, both nominees had run for President before. Its possible but difficult to get all the way to the White House on your first try, its been done five times since World War 2.

    On the Democratic side, Hillary Clinton’s “firewall” is holding. Note that apparently only something like 8,000 people voted in the Nevada caucus, so you can’t read too much into this. As in Iowa, the Democrats won’t release the popular vote totals. But I think her coalition of wealthy people plus Blacks represents the future of the Democratic party, not Sanders’ attempt to get white working class people to vote for them again. Note that her argument boils down stating that the Democrats should be concentrating on identity politics, not on stupid stuff like saving the middle class, and Sanders hasn’t been able to take that on directly.

    Absent massive cheating, I don’t think Trump would have much difficulty with Hilary Clinton in the general election. I do find a Clinton- Rubio contest a bit depressing. People haven’t brought up the possibility of the Donk-e substituting Bloomberg on the ticket if Clinton is indicted, so I will do so now.

    Ed

    February 21, 2016 at 1:15 pm

    • More than 8,000 voted, those numbers don’t represent individual people. The caucus procedure is very confusing.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 21, 2016 at 1:39 pm

      • 80,000. The 8K is Clark County where LV is located.

        gothamette

        February 21, 2016 at 4:03 pm

    • I think these low Democrat turnouts are a sign of things to come. Hillary isn’t capable of generating the hope and change frenzy Obama did in 2008. The enthusiasm just isn’t there which is why the Dems did so poorly in the last couple off year elections. Also keep in mind two big parts of the Obama coalition, blacks and young people, traditionally have low voter turnout. With no Obama on the ticket many will stay home…not to mention young people don’t like Hillary.

      Jay Fink

      February 21, 2016 at 4:17 pm

      • Yes, exactly. Under the influence of Steve Sailer, some overhopefuls are saying that 15-20% of blacks will vote for Trump because they love “big men”. That will never happen. But a lot of black men might sit this one out. Hillary will get Romneyed.

        gothamette

        February 22, 2016 at 7:32 am

      • Pete Wilson got 20 percent of the black vote in his anti immigration campaign. I could see Trump matching that.

        Otis the Sweaty

        February 22, 2016 at 9:04 am

    • The Bushes already fulfilled their duty to the party. Their mission, as I see it, was to build a bridge between the last vestiges of the Northeastern Republican wasp elite and the nouveau riche industrialists of the sunbelt following Nixon’s “Southern Strategy”. Ever since, the South has been the voting base of the GOP which could be relied upon to support their offshoring, oil looting and war profiteering. Somehow and someway the neoconservatives were able to convince well intentioned, fundamentalist Christians that they were doing God’s work. It worked pretty damn well for a while and the election of George W. Bush was the pinnacle of this political and cultural transition. The war in Iraq of course was the beginning of their demise. The white working class has finally figured this all out. Hence, the rise of Donald J. Trump.

      B.T.D.T.

      February 21, 2016 at 6:25 pm

      • Look where all that scheming got this country.

        gothamette

        February 21, 2016 at 7:48 pm

  9. Bruni from the NYT? C’mon, they’re all scum there.

    Vincent

    February 21, 2016 at 1:48 pm

  10. Umm, he literally was awarded all of the SC delegates.

    ScarletNumber

    February 21, 2016 at 2:24 pm

  11. What do you think of Trumps 9/11 comments, Lion?

    AnonymousCoward

    February 21, 2016 at 2:48 pm

  12. It would have been truly horrible if Rubio won. After all his endorsements I was worried it might happen. Seeing voters rebel against their betters wishes is one of the best things I have ever seen in politics.

    Jay Fink

    February 21, 2016 at 3:15 pm

    • Yes. It’s been tragic seeing workers being cowed/intimidated to vote for their bosses’ interests instead of their own.

      The workplace has always been an authoritarian dictatorship and always will be. That’s why the public sphere/government must have the interest of the working/middle-class FIRST.

      fakeemail

      February 21, 2016 at 4:57 pm

  13. Attacking Bush (and essentially the entire Republican establishment) over the Iraq War and 9/11 was a very risky strategy that may have hurt Trump somewhat in the short term. But it may prove to have been a bold and absolutely necessary step in his path to victory.

    If he waited until he had the nomination in the bag, or when he was already the nominee, before doing something like that, it would look merely like he was cynically pandering for votes from Democrats and trying to pull such support from Hillary.

    By doing it now, he shows that he is doing it out of conviction. Yes, this loses him some support from establishment Republican types. But it will solidify his support among conservatives who know he is right about this (a growing number).

    And it will also lead more Democrats to support him later on, because they will know Trump’s bold move was done from conviction, and not out of a cynical move to gain votes. High risk, high reward.

    Samuel Nock

    February 21, 2016 at 4:30 pm

  14. He’s obviously been laying off Rubio, by design, for a long, long time. I have no idea why.

    Maybe he sees Rubio as the easiest to take down after the field winnows. Maybe he likes having Rubio and Cruz fight each other. I don’t know. But he has very clearly avoided attacking Marco Rubio, for some strategic reason that we can only speculate on.

    jackmcg

    February 21, 2016 at 4:48 pm

  15. Off-topic, but here’s a recent review article about people being killed by cows:

    http://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/early/2016/01/12/injuryprev-2015-041784

    Hopefully once the 2016 elections are over you’ll have more posts about this important topic.

    Cognitive Miser

    February 21, 2016 at 4:55 pm

    • Sounds dangerous… the big slow but hyper-territorial hippo kills 4-5,000 people a year in Africa and elephants kill a few thousand more. Much more deadly than the Great White, most of whose 50 or so annual attacks aren’t even fatal.

      Camlost

      February 21, 2016 at 6:18 pm

    • Cows are never OT on LotB,

      ScarletNumber

      February 21, 2016 at 11:52 pm

  16. Trump just single-handedly destroyed the toxic cuck-dynasty (the Bushes) like Anakin going to Mustafar and finishing off the Separatist leaders.

    He will concentrate all of his attention on Rubio next, and we all know that 95-IQ, closeted bumbler can’t prepare enough canned 30 second monologues to repel firepower of that magnitude…

    Camlost

    February 21, 2016 at 5:43 pm

    • He will concentrate all of his attention on Rubio next, and we all know that 95-IQ, closeted bumbler

      I’d figure Rubio’s IQ is between 100 and 110. I don’t know about closeted, but if he is Trump will let us all know soon enough.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      February 21, 2016 at 7:38 pm

      • I think it’s hard to estimate a persons IQ based on their performance in canned speeches and televised debates. Those are more a measure of personality than intelligence.

        If you work in engineering or science long enough, you’ll meet plenty of high-IQ people who would do much worse in improvisational debate than Rubio – shy, nerdy men who are terrible at improvising sentence structure, and give the impression of being anxious and foolish, while being excellent at nerdy pursuits and IQ tests. Spearmans law doesn’t take into consideration the Axiom of Aesop that smart men are often full of self-doubt.

        That being said, I’d agree that Rubio clearly is stupid. Reading the story of how he got maneuvered and cucked by Schumer on immigration support is painful.

        AnonymousCoward

        February 22, 2016 at 3:50 am

      • I’m not fooled by low-IQ people who have good telegenic personalities, like Rubio and Palin.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 22, 2016 at 8:04 am

      • I think it’s hard to estimate a persons IQ based on their performance in canned speeches and televised debates. Those are more a measure of personality than intelligence.

        Did I say Rubio is a theoretical mathematician? I said he’s average or little above average in intelligence. So long as he doesn’t get nervous, he’s better at speaking off the cuff than Obama is. If Obama’s IQ is at most 95 then Rubio should be between 100 or a bit better.

        And Rubio was not ‘tricked’ by Schumer. All the Cuban Republicans in congress except Ted Cruz have terrible grades from NumbersUSA and Rubio was for in-state tution when he was still in the Florida state senate.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 22, 2016 at 8:34 pm

      • Obama’s IQ is 140. Even Rubio understands that Obama know exactly what he is doing.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 22, 2016 at 9:10 pm

      • Obama’s IQ is 140. Even Rubio understands that Obama know exactly what he is doing.

        He’s a friggin genius. That’s why Obama has never released his SATs and sounds like a drooling idiot even when he’s speaking from a teleprompter. At least when Rubio reads from a script he doesn’t say ‘uhhh’ every three words.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 22, 2016 at 9:48 pm

    • John Cornyn is 64 and will be 68 when he’s up for re-election in the senate. George P. “Derp” Bush is 39 and will be waiting in the wings for when that senate seat or the governors mansion in texas opens up.

      Considering it is Texas, he’ll probably be a future Senator or Gov from texas and will use it as a platform for national politics.

      Lauren Bush (married to Ralph Lauren’s son) just gave birth to a son. He’ll be a billionaire (inheritance) Bush.

      The Bushes will be hanging around national politics in the background for a while.

      It’s like the Kennedys. Do you really think Joe Kennedy III will not be making national moves in 10-15 years?

      uatu

      February 21, 2016 at 10:42 pm

  17. “He needs to stop being controversial and start acting more boring and more presidential and suck up to the Republican voters on stuff they care about even if Trump thinks those things are stupid.”

    I think Lion is correct. Trump is (at least theoretically) running to be the presidential candidate of the Republican Party. That requires showing an ounce of respect for the Party and its traditional beliefs and historic leaders.

    If Trump hates the GOP and everything it stands for, fine — then run as an independent. If he’s going to run as leader of this particular party, however, then he has to try to build bridges and unify it behind himself. Otherwise he will just keep winning narrow pluralities and emerge as the party’s most unpopular, divisive nominee since Goldwater. Which isn’t exactly a great recipe for a general election victory.

    Nik

    February 21, 2016 at 5:54 pm

    • I think Lion is correct. Trump is (at least theoretically) running to be the presidential candidate of the Republican Party. That requires showing an ounce of respect for the Party and its traditional beliefs and historic leaders.

      Yes, Lion keeps saying Trump needs to be increasingly “Presidential” in his personal manner, and I’d agree. Too much disagreeableness and mouthy anti-GOP iconoclasm could make him look childish and petulant.

      It’s time for him to shore it up a little, but with the Bushes now cast into outer darkness for good he will still need to be a little cantankerous in his attitude towards Rubio in the coming days, and Rubio will wilt with nary a whimper like an uprooted tulip.

      Richard Nixon always used the term magnanimity to describe how the President should act – composed, above pettiness, thick-skinned, high-minded, quietly confident and even stoic at times. Hopefully Trump has someone in his campaign, grabbing him by the shoulders and making sure he’s cognizant of these things…

      Camlost

      February 21, 2016 at 6:26 pm

  18. Horrible week for Trump

    Worse for Jeb and The Evil Empire of the Bush family and their cronies:

    Now Trump can move on to destroying Rubio the Retard.

    Rifleman

    February 21, 2016 at 6:20 pm

  19. If voters typically choose a presidential candidate with an opposite feel than the last prez, I don’t think Rubio has as much general election attractiveness as is usually assumed. He mirrors Obama in so many ways. Likable personality, smooth public speaker, youthful energy. But after eight year of Obama, people now mostly associate these qualities with being an insubstantial empty suit.

    trey

    February 21, 2016 at 6:28 pm

    • Yes, and relies on prepared speeches and teleprompters heavily as well.

      Camlost

      February 21, 2016 at 7:00 pm

  20. Which doesn’t help Trump at all because it just makes it easier for the establishment to consolidate around Marco “the Boy Wonder” Rubio.

    First of all Rubio’s second place finish wasn’t that impressive. He had the entire establishment back and he only bested Cruz by less than 2000 votes.

    Trump will destroy Rubio. By the time Trump is through with him Kasich will be the most viable establishment candidate left standing.

    Good news for Trump is that Kasich is definitely staying in the race. At least that’s what he’s publicly saying. We (as Trump supporters) should hope that he does surprisingly well in NV at the expense of Rubio.

    Kasich will stay in because he’s nuts. Cruz’s voters are also anti-establishment. That means they probably slowly defect to Trump.

    At this point I’d suggest Trump hold off on attacking Hillary until she puts Sanders away for good. Hillary is the weaker Democrat and he shouldn’t do anything that might jeopardize her nomination.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    February 21, 2016 at 7:44 pm

    • Kasich clearly doesn’t have any delusions on actually winning the nomination considering his biteless and nonthreatening campaign, but he’s just making his supporters happy and maybe angling for a possible slot in a GOP administration.

      Camlost

      February 21, 2016 at 8:04 pm

    • Trump should pick Kasich as V.P. Let’s face it..Trump will need someone with political management experience to help him navigate the process. As a successful governor Kasich is a good choice. He is also a nice, positive guy that will soften the ticket for the remaining establishment vote. Finally, and most importantly, he delivers Ohio.

      B.T.D.T.

      February 21, 2016 at 8:26 pm

    • Cruz’s whole brand is about being an arch-conservative more than being anti-establishment. I think his supporters will support Rubio, who is also very conservative, before Trump, who is not.

      Gart

      February 21, 2016 at 10:05 pm

      • I can’t speak for other Cruz supporters, but that’s what I plan to do.

        Maryk

        February 21, 2016 at 10:33 pm

      • RUBIO! Amnesty!

        Andrew E.

        February 21, 2016 at 11:32 pm

      • I agree. Assuming you define “conservative” as more than just “will deport all illegals” Rubio is a vastly ideologically closer to Cruz than Trump. Trump is an outsider in that he has a genuinely unorthodox mix of opinions; Cruz is only an outsider in the sense that he doesn’t have any politician friends because his personality is so off-putting.

        Nik

        February 22, 2016 at 1:11 am

      • Gart, I don’t have the data but I think you’re wrong on that point. Conservatives are mad as hell at repeatedly getting screwed by the establishment and the fact that Rubio, their former golden boy, betrayed them with such blatant disdain means they will never vote for him.

        A big part of Cruz’ appeal is being the most hated man in D.C. He even says himself that it’s not that he’s an ultra-arch-super-conservative, just that he does EXACTLY what he says he’ll do (to copy the emphasis from one of his radio ads) and he’s loved by the people who voted for him.

        mvetsel

        February 22, 2016 at 9:24 am

      • Trump should pick Kasich as V.P.

        Trump’s VP must be anti-immigration, which Kasich is not. If he vets well I recommend Scott Brown be Veep.

        Cruz’s whole brand is about being an arch-conservative more than being anti-establishment.

        The establishment hates Cruz more than Trump. The SC exit polls showed Cruz was second behind Trump among voters who were angry with the party.

        There’s no good reason to think Cruz’s people will defect to Rubio, especially when Trump tears into the latter.

        mvetsel is correct.

        Kasich clearly doesn’t have any delusions on actually winning the nomination considering his biteless and nonthreatening campaign, but he’s just making his supporters happy and maybe angling for a possible slot in a GOP administration.

        He might be hoping for the VP spot. But I don’t see why Trump will give it to him once he locks up the nomination in mid-March. Some sort of cabinet position or ambassodorship is possible I suppose as thanks for splitting the remaining establishment vote. But as VP he brings nothing.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 22, 2016 at 8:42 pm

  21. Trump has already started going after Rubio. This morning he questioned whether Rubio, who was born to Cuban immigrant parents, qualifies as a natural born citizen.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    February 21, 2016 at 7:51 pm

    • And Rubio is just dumb enough to not respond in kind back at Trump, he will just keep talking about Cruz…

      Camlost

      February 21, 2016 at 8:12 pm

    • If this is true, then it is really nutty. Trump’s own mother was an immigrant

      Daniel

      February 21, 2016 at 9:22 pm

  22. About this long game, taking on Hillary – Sanders’ supporters are after Hillary to release her Goldman Sachs speeches. Unfortunately Bernie, being the nice shlub w/o a killer instinct, won’t challenge her directly. Trump will.

    Sometimes I think Hillary is not as smart as she is cracked up to be. When the Sanders campaign challenged her to release the speeches, she challenged him to release his speeches. Which he promptly did. Gave a couple of speeches to universities for $2500 in total, which donated to charity. Meanwhile she still hasn’t released the transcripts of her speeches.

    gothamette

    February 21, 2016 at 8:03 pm

  23. Rubio:

    Marco “Foam Party” Rubio bought a house in Florida with David Rivera

    He looks like a pig faced, fat sissy:

    [video src="https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/Cbty3n7VIAALBcj.mp4" /]

    Rifleman

    February 21, 2016 at 8:40 pm

    • His relationship with Rivera is getting a lot of scrutiny. Rivera is a felon. Google it.

      gothamette

      February 22, 2016 at 7:33 am

  24. He put himself in a position where he is still probably going to win, but can lose if the cards all fall right for Rubio or Cruz. We don’t really know how things look in Nevada because the last poll was a week ago, Trump’s moves haven’t been good since then, and it is a caucus. If someone else somehow wins Nevada that would be bad for Trump.

    Perturabo

    February 21, 2016 at 8:43 pm

    • I don’t see Cruz or Rubio having any appeal going forward, in the mid-West, West, or NE. None. I can see Trump going over 50%.

      gothamette

      February 22, 2016 at 10:37 am

  25. It’s not just a matter of who the candidates take votes from during the primary. It’s also a matter of who they give delegates to during the convention. An unlikely candidate not dropping may be hanging in there to trade his delegates to another candidate for political favors. I’d like to see Carson as surgeon general in a Trump administration. 🙂

    destructure

    February 21, 2016 at 9:33 pm

  26. If trump wins there is a chance the youthful Cuban will be his running mate. Or Marc Cuban. The surname is hilarious

    K.l. Asher

    February 21, 2016 at 10:15 pm

  27. Fingleton in Forbes predicts Trump will be elected President.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/eamonnfingleton/2016/02/21/after-south-carolina-heres-why-donald-trump-will-be-americas-next-president/#fe8716fe8e86

    The stuff about China should make any American’s blood boil. And he says they really do laugh at us. When Trump says that, I thought he was layin’ one on us. He’s not.

    gothamette

    February 22, 2016 at 7:35 am

  28. Tweet by Trump:

    “I hear the Rickets family, who own the Chicago Cubs, are secretly spending $’s against me. They better be careful, they have a lot to hide!”

    This is the kind of stuff that doesn’t seem like a good idea to me. What does he gain by posting stuff like this?

    Perturabo

    February 22, 2016 at 9:47 am

  29. At a certain point you need the elites on-board to advance your agenda. Hopefully Trump can have a detente with the current elite. If not I hope he can supplant them with a new elite that has a sense of noblesse oblige. A new elite that is grateful to what America has given them and pursue policies that benefit their fellow Americans.

    Jimi

    February 22, 2016 at 11:18 am


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