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Krugman says Rubio is not a moderate

Paul Krugman whacks away at Rubio:

[O]ne of the two men who may still have a good chance of becoming the Republican nominee is a scary character. His notions on foreign policy seem to boil down to the belief that America can bully everyone into doing its bidding, and that engaging in diplomacy is a sign of weakness. His ideas on domestic policy are deeply ignorant and irresponsible, and would be disastrous if put into effect.

The other man, of course, has very peculiar hair.

And Krugman doesn’t even mention the part about Rubio being against abortion even in cases of rape and incest!

Krugman also points out what most Republicans are too stupid to understand:

Donald Trump’s rise has confirmed something polling data already suggested, namely, that most Republican voters don’t actually subscribe to much of the party’s official orthodoxy. Mr. Trump has said the unsayable on multiple issues, from declaring that we were deceived into war to calling for higher taxes on the wealthy (although his own plan does no such thing). Each time, party insiders have waited to see his campaign collapse as a result, and each time he has ended up paying no political price.

So when Mr. Rubio genuflects at the altars of supply-side economics and hard money, he isn’t telling ordinary Republicans what they want to hear — by and large the party’s base couldn’t care less. He is, instead, pandering to the party’s elite, consisting mainly of big donors and the network of apparatchiks at think tanks, media organizations, and so on.

In the G.O.P., crank doctrines in economics and elsewhere aren’t bubbling up from below, they’re being imposed from the top down.

I bet some readers will be outraged by Krugman calling GOP tax policies “crank doctrines.” But actually they are, especially considering our massive budget deficit. When Republicans controlled both the presidency and Congress when GWB was president, they did absolutely nothing about cutting spending. Reagan talked about cutting the budget, but you don’t hear any of the Republican candidates today talking about budget cuts (other than killing Obamacare), just about their massive tax cuts mostly aimed at the wealthiest (like lowering taxes on capital gains and lowering the estate tax).

Anyway, besides Rubio’s support for amnesty (which is what elite big-money donors wanted), Rubio is hardcore TrueCon, he’s just not as outspoken and nasty about it as Cruz, or as smart as him.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

February 22, 2016 at 2:58 pm

Posted in Politics

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  1. Trying to parse out any common sense from the belligerently autistic Krugman is a waste of time.

    Lion of the Turambar

    February 22, 2016 at 4:10 pm

    • “…belligerently autistic…”

      Stealing that.


      February 22, 2016 at 5:17 pm

    • What precisely do you believe defies common sense?

    • “belligerently autistic”


      I used to call it “nerd rage”.


      February 22, 2016 at 6:48 pm

  2. Liberals like Krugman have a hard time accepting the premise that not everyone thinks exactly the same as them. So they constantly come up with “explanations” that usually involve some version of “all conservative voters are brainwashed, all conservative politicians are corporate puppets.”


    February 22, 2016 at 4:12 pm

    • That’s very true. A political psychologist by the name of Dr Haidt did a study on this and found liberals were the only political group unable to understand the motives for others political opinions. In his study, they chalked others views up to being stupid and/or evil. That’s why they’re always calling other people ignorant, racist, homophobic, etc. The study is discussed on pg 287 of The Righteous Mind.

      Even more interesting is Why they’re unable to understand what motivates other views. People are psychologically wired with 5 main values. Liberals are deficient in 3 of them. Because they lack those 3 they’re unable to understand any point of view which considers them.


      February 22, 2016 at 7:27 pm

  3. I know nothing about economics but Krugman is obviously full of shit. The economy will be garbage no matter who is president, because it is based on girls sitting around in meetings and making Powerpoints about “innovation.” It will be worse with whoever Krugman’s candidate is, because they will be in favor of more Powerpoint girls, but no one on either side can do anything about it. This bullshit about “alter of supply-side blah blah…” is meaningless. That smug bastard.


    February 22, 2016 at 4:14 pm

    • PoorGradStudent

      February 22, 2016 at 5:18 pm

      • Haha it even addresses the Powerpoints! Thanks for this. 😀


        February 22, 2016 at 9:51 pm

      • @Perturabo,

        It’s a funny video, but I’d like to point out that the outfit that produces these vids is hard-core alt-right, and anti-Semitic.

        There’s something on their Youtube channel (yes, I’ve checked) about Snow White & the 7 Dwarfs which goes, if memory serves, “Oi Vey, Oi Vey, it’s off to work today…” etc. You get the drift. The dwarfs are short, squat, fat, gross Jews whose purpose is to subvert the moral order and cheat everyone and do that stuff that Jews do so well. There are references to Jews in other vids as well.

        If you don’t believe me, check it out yourself. Just sayin’.


        February 22, 2016 at 11:35 pm

    • The “economy” is a political construct. The vast majority of people are effectively economically obsolete, and banning women from working tomorrow would not change this. Supply side economics and people who impose the scarcity theory of money on the masses simply don’t understand how our financial system works.

      Banks don’t lend money. Banks create money from nothing, and record the bank note and the future interest obligation associated with it as an asset via double-entry bookkeeping. If the government doesn’t run a fiscal deficit that matches the rate of increase (which is exponential, due to compound interest) of demand for money, people end up having to take out more loans in aggregate.

      The economy is about social control. It is, after all, political economy. The ruling class creates booms and busts by changing the game when it comes to bank lending, and doing monumentally stupid things like running budget surpluses or negligible deficits.

      • Banning girls might not do it, but banning girls AND powerpoints just might. But sorry, no, doing the opposite of all the the things you put in the Bad Economics category won’t fix it either.


        February 22, 2016 at 7:09 pm

      • This sounds interesting, but could you dumb it down a tad?


        February 22, 2016 at 7:27 pm

      • Perturabo, get real. This country is a hollowed out shell, and banning women from the work force would do nothing. The vast majority of women aren’t Sheryl Sandberg or Hillary, they work in traditionally female jobs. The problem is that men’s jobs have been destroyed by outsourcing, importing cheap labor, and automation.


        February 22, 2016 at 11:38 pm

  4. For crying out loud, the PARTY doesn’t subscribe to what is supposed to be its own orthodoxy. Conservatism was something they glommed onto when they realized how sentimental the rank and file were about Reagan, and how many listed to Rush Limbaugh.

    And Krugman…is there anything more useless than an economist? To paraphrase Kaus, the economy can be in the shitter by the time a trend shows up on their peer-reviewed charts.

    Mrs Stitch

    February 22, 2016 at 5:14 pm

    • Agreed. The establishment opposed and hated Reagan at the time. Reagan won in spite of them just like Trump is winning in spite of them. Only later did they pay lip-service to take advantage of his popularity with conservatives. The establishment doesn’t believe or follow it’s own purported orthodoxy. That’s become more true and more obvious the last few years. Which is one of the reasons for the backlash against the establishment. Had the GOPe shown a little integrity rather than simply trying to exploit it’s voter base they wouldn’t have rebelled.

      I don’t think the rebellion is so much a rejection of conservative principles as Krugman claims but a rejection of the establishment. After all, what’s the point in supporting a candidate who says conservative things when they’re not? That’s why a lot of people don’t care that Trump isn’t a hardcore conservative. Bush(41), Dole, Bush(43), McCain, Romney, etc. Screw that. Gimme some Trump.

      It’s also a matter of priorities. There’s a lot of issues on which the voters differ from Trump to some degree. But he’s the only one who’s going to crack down on immigration and H1B’s. He’ the only one who’s going to do something about those crappy trade deals. Globalists howl “protectionism” meanwhile they outsource jobs and import foreigners. They’re getting rich by selling America out. It’s reached the point where it’s bordering on treason. Trump is the only one willing to do something about it. So people support him even if they don’t agree with everything he says or does. It’s a matter of priorities.

      I think economics can be useful for understanding certain things and charting long term course. But you’re absolutely right about economists being useless about predicting where we are or where we’re headed. This is particularly true nearest the top and bottom where it counts the most.


      February 22, 2016 at 7:54 pm

    • The social conservatism came about as a response to the rise of Evangelical power in the Republican party. Evangelicalism started in the late 19th century and was actually a force in the Democrats, i.e., Jennings Bryan. Republicans in the 50s were staid, sedate types (like the Prescott Bush generation), who supported Planned Parenthood. Supporting birth control was a very elite Republican thing to do, before that party became the stupid party.

      Trump is smart enough to know that squabbling over Planned Parenthood while huge chunks of our economy get sold off to China, is stupid. This country is in deep shit.


      February 22, 2016 at 8:07 pm

  5. Finally the truth!

    Boy we were sure lucky that Bill Clinton hoodwinked the spendthrift Gingrich Congress into balancing the budget. Good thing Obama will keep the Ryan Congress in check by rejecting their exorbitant budget plans.


    February 22, 2016 at 6:04 pm

    • Clinton may have balanced the budget but trade deficits worsened under him. They became catastrophic under W. If only for sticking a fork in the Vampire Bush clan, Trump deserves our eternal gratitude.


      February 23, 2016 at 8:00 am

      • Clinton benefited from the tax revenue that was created by a massive bubble, that crashed in 2000.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 23, 2016 at 8:08 am

  6. My impression from the above is Krugman wants you to think Rubio is a wild and crazy guy … not your ordinary cuckservative … maybe quietly a bit like Trump! Oh, Hillary handily beat foam boy in the election? Too bad suckers, try again in four years.

    The debt accumulation probably isn’t done yet. More rounds of QEs to come. Raising taxes at the same time will presumably be counterproductive.


    February 22, 2016 at 6:17 pm

  7. I think this Krugman column broke your audience, Lion.


    February 22, 2016 at 6:19 pm

  8. Also from Krugman:

    “So don’t let anyone tell you that the Republican primary is a fight between a crazy guy and someone reasonable. It’s idiosyncratic, self-invented crankery versus establishment-approved crankery, and it’s not at all clear which is worse.”

    You’re awfully selective about what to retain from Krugman.


    February 22, 2016 at 6:27 pm

    • It goes without saying that a liberal MSM guy is going to hate Trump.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 22, 2016 at 6:33 pm

      • @Nik,

        ” It’s very hard for Trump supporters to engage with a liberal talking about Rubio’s extreme conservatism because their worldview operates on the premise that he is not conservative at all.”

        He’s not, he’s a “cuckservative.” Familiarize yourself with this alt-right meme, OK?

        Marco Rubio mouths conservative platitudes about values but once in office (which will never happen, just saying), he would not be able to enact any of them. Abortion, birth control, health care, it’s all bullshit. It’s Trump’s genius (or common sense) to know this.

        What’s “conservative” about Rubio? He’s a puppet appointed by the donor class to do their bidding: sell off the US economy to China/Japan/Korea, (mostly China), flood the country with cheap illegal labor, and replace the white working class. This is fact. Read Paul Craig Roberts, Clyde Prestowitz, Eamonn Fingleton about how America’s manufacturing base has been hollowed out, not by honest competition but by deliberate treason. There’s more than one way to betray a country.

        That’s what we’re talking about. Libs like Krugman take Rubio and Cruz at their words – that they are conservative. We do not.

        Hope this helps.


        February 23, 2016 at 8:09 am

    • “it’s not at all clear which is worse”

      As a mainstream Democrat, but not a raving emotional slave of liberal media, I can tell you exactly which is worse. A few seconds of thought would tell Krugman the same, but he has to write for his audience and the current NYTimes isn’t friendly to thinking.

      Yglesias, on the other hand, can explain:


      February 22, 2016 at 7:05 pm

      • This just shows how incoherent our political conversation has gotten.

        Rubio is obviously more conservative than Trump. Increasingly, liberals and establishment Republicans are starting to say they don’t worry THAT much about Trump. Liberals say Rubio would be worse, establishment Republicans say Cruz. Yet Trump’s internet supporters can’t really process this, because they have convinced themselves that Trump is actually the most extreme right-wing candidate who ever lived — I mean, I see people tweeting memes (happily) pushing the idea that the man is an out-and-out fascist.

        None of it makes any sense anymore and I think some of the incoherence in this thread reflects that. It’s very hard for Trump supporters to engage with a liberal talking about Rubio’s extreme conservatism because their worldview operates on the premise that he is not conservative at all.


        February 22, 2016 at 7:58 pm

      • Gosh, if Rubio is worse than Trump and Trump is worse than Hitler, then Rubio must be too awful for words!


        February 22, 2016 at 7:59 pm

      • Nik is right. Other than immigration, Trump is the most liberal of the Republican candidates on pretty much any issue. It just shows what a third rail immigration has become in our society that Trump instantly became a demon to the left and hero to the alt-right despite the fact that even Jeb has a proven track record of social conservatism far to the right of Trump. The other attraction for conservatives though is that Trump is the first true man’s man we’ve had run for President in a long time. (I think Romney has some of those qualities but he didn’t project them well in the campaign). Sociologists claim that conservatives value hierarchy and authority more than liberals do, and Trump is certainly a man with charisma and leadership qualities.

        Peter Akuleyev

        February 23, 2016 at 5:05 am

      • And what exactly are these conservative bona fides that Cruz and Rubio display that need to be defended so readily?

        Trump’s conservatism is not the garden-variety “conserving” that people assume Republicanism is about. True conservatism cannot be about conserving anything because to “conserve” according to those lines is simply to conserve a leftist society. instead, conservative is about resurrecting something that has been lost or strengthening something that has been weakened.

        That is what Trump is about.

        The immigration and outsourcing policies represent weakness and loss that Trump is willing to reverse.


        February 23, 2016 at 9:57 am

      • “I see people tweeting memes (happily) pushing the idea that the man is an out-and-out fascist”

        Fascists are socialists. I don’t see anybody on the Republican side advocating that sort of thing, even Trump. Trump is able to get away with being liberal because he’s a single issue candidate, and that issue is exceptionally important to conservatives. Even conservatives who vehemently disagree with Trump about everything else still think illegal immigration is important enough that they have to ignore the other stuff for now.


        February 23, 2016 at 12:21 pm

  9. Hey Lion, that Mother Jones article about the Bush family has lots of info about population control, and Republican support of it in the 3rd world. You should read it. If censorship works, doesn’t public support of birth control? I wonder how much of the extra 2BN Africans we can look forward to in Europe and eventually here is as a result of Bush cutting those programs? The social conservatives are a total disaster.


    February 22, 2016 at 8:10 pm

  10. I’m not really a huge fan of supply side “trickle down” economics but Republicans are too afraid to really go for it. At this point the rich payva higher % of total taxes than at any time in modern history. Meanwhile about half of all workers pay zero income tax. Many of those, especially with kids, get a big fat juicy “refund” at this time of the year.

    This trend has been going on for years, I believe George W Bush increased the child tax credits and Rubio wants to increase it from $1000 per kid to an obscene $2500. That would certainly increase the deficit especially considering Rubio would also give tax cuts to the rich and like Bush increase not cut spending.

    Jay Fink

    February 22, 2016 at 8:13 pm

    • They pay such a large share of taxes because their pretax incomes are so high. That’s also something that the government has a great deal of control over.

      Lloyd Llewellyn

      February 23, 2016 at 4:18 am

    • That is just false.
      In the 70’s it was like 70% income tax at the max rate


      February 24, 2016 at 5:56 am

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