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Democratic South Carolina Primary

In case anyone wants to write any comments.

And there are some live Tweets on my Twitter feed.

But there isn’t much to say. Hillary crushed Bernie because of massive black support for Hillary. Democratic primary voters are too black for Bernie to have any hope of winning the nomination.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

February 27, 2016 at EST pm

Posted in Politics

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  1. At the end of the day Bernie just wasn’t evil enough to be the Democrat’s presidential nominee.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    February 27, 2016 at EST pm

    • What sort of “evil” techniques would you expect him to deploy?

      Rifleman

      February 28, 2016 at EST am

    • What sort of “evil” techniques would you expect him to deploy?

      Sanders could have mentioned she doesn’t go a week without committing a major felony, for starters.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      February 29, 2016 at EST pm

  2. The media aren’t saying much because there isn’t much to say.

    CNN is reporting Clinton as winning by 74% to 25%, which is pretty amazing. But I went to the cross tabs in the exit poll, and its pretty clear what happened.

    African Americans made up 61% of the Democratic primary electorate. They block voted for Hillary, by 87% to 13%. White voters went narrowly for Hillary, but with a 61% black electorate, getting nearly all the black votes plus half the white votes translated into three quarters overall.

    We can safely predict similar victories for Hilary Clinton in the Mississippi, Alabama, and DC Democratic primaries.

    With African-Americans making up about a fifth of the Democratic primary electorate, and the super delegates, she can lose pretty badly with just about everyone else and still be nominated. What happened in 2008 is that Obama took this particular advantage from her, for obvious reasons.

    Ed

    February 27, 2016 at EST pm

    • African American block voting is something to behold.

      There is no particular reason why Hillary should be preferable to Bernie to a black person. But like a school of fish, they vote in almost perfect unison.

      Dan

      February 27, 2016 at EST pm

      • And isn’t that smart of them? One of my pastimes is reading idiot conservatives who tell blacks to “get off the Democratic plantation.” They run the goddamn plantation – it’s a power base! They get money and favors. Blacks know more about power than conservatives do.

        gothamette

        February 27, 2016 at EST pm

      • idiot conservatives

        That’s redundant.

        White male conservative/HBD types love the fantasy that they are so smart and blacks are “one standard deviation” behind in IQ.

        Plenty of white male idiots are confused, smug and have the social and political IQ of retards!!

        But, but…wait. “whites” are smarter and stuff!!

        They are delusional.

        Rifleman

        February 27, 2016 at EST pm

      • When has it become smart to simply win a popular vote? So all those African dictators voted into power represent “smart”? You think our electoral politics represent something smart?

        I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness

        bomag

        February 28, 2016 at EST am

      • “There is no particular reason why Hillary should be preferable to Bernie to a black person. …”

        There are lots of reasons. Sanders isn’t as willing to attribute all of black people’s problems to racism for one.

        James B. Shearer

        February 28, 2016 at EST am

      • “When has it become smart to simply win a popular vote? So all those African dictators voted into power represent “smart”? You think our electoral politics represent something smart?”

        If you have no other abilities than to vote as a block, it’s brilliant to vote as a block. Af-Ams do not control anything, except a major political party. They are under-represented everywhere in the productive economy (what’s left of it), military, farming, academia, everywhere except the media, where their power derives solely from the monopoly the Entertainment Industrial Complex exerts over the masses.

        Yes, Af-Ams are brilliant not to divide their strength among two parties, but as you are someone who compares US electoral politics to African countries, I don’t expect you to understand this.

        gothamette

        February 28, 2016 at EST pm

      • ” everywhere except the media”

        Only as actors or on-air. Behind the scenes, the nerdy people doing the real work like filming, editing, directing, writing, producing, etc, all white.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 28, 2016 at EST pm

      • “If you have no other abilities than to vote as a block, it’s brilliant to vote as a block. Af-Ams do not control anything, except a major political party. ”

        At 13% of the population, they would have nothing if it weren’t for block voting. It’s actually a pretty good strategy.

        Mike Street Station

        February 28, 2016 at EST pm

      • Yes, Af-Ams are brilliant not to divide their strength among two parties, but as you are someone who compares US electoral politics to African countries, I don’t expect you to understand this.

        “Brilliant”?

        If you think black people support 1 party as some sort of sentient political choice then you don’t understand much about black people. They’re the very definition of low-information voters.

        They’re simply voting for the policy that wants bigger government, more services, more programs, more activism and intervention into daily life, it’s not rocket science. They simply don’t have the demeanor, organizational or cognitive abilities necessary to achieve to the standard of other peoples on their own in a capitalist society.

        Camlost

        February 28, 2016 at EST pm

      • Actually, I disagree. Black leaders understand very very well how to shakedown whitey, and they tell black people who do vote for.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 28, 2016 at EST pm

      • Actually, I disagree. Black leaders understand very very well how to shakedown whitey, and they tell black people who do vote for.

        Yes, but kind of a separate question.

        Blacks were a 1-issue (bigger government) and therefore 1-party bunch long before the shakedown industry got so profitable. And in fact, black activists just kept doing the same thing they always did – complain, complain, cry racism ad nauseam – until around the late 1990’s companies decided to just start throwing money $$ at them for it. Black activists were probably as surprised about the shakedown industry’s rapid success as you or me.

        And I think that blacks saw a rapid expand in political voice after the consumerism of the 80’s and 90’s, because are spend crazy and will blow an overly large portion of their disposable income on consumer goods, making it unexpectedly profitable to run ads and products aimed specifically at them. (like Escalades, McDonalds, FUBU or $250 Nikes, etc.)

        Camlost

        February 28, 2016 at EST pm

      • One might say the black community has more trustworthy leaders than the white (at least the R side whites). Vote like Al Sharpton tells you and the gravy train, such as it is, continues. How do you do the same as an R voter?

        But it’s unlikely to last: it is pure multicultural voting, and once the whites figure out to do the same, the game is up. Or rather, at that point democracy is a matter of demographics, not ideology. Just like in Africa.

        (Thanks to Steve Sailer and Tom Wolfe for the ideas.)

        Glengarry

        February 28, 2016 at EST pm

    • I saw they claimed Hillary pulled-in 44% of white males. 24% I’d believe, maybe even 34%, but no way did she do 44%.

      Portlander

      February 28, 2016 at EST am

      • 44% of the WMs who voted Democrat, not 44% of the WMs in South Carolina. Very few WMs vote Dem. in SC.

        Ever take a stats class?

        gothamette

        February 28, 2016 at EST am

      • “44% of the WMs who voted Democrat…” No sh*t. And it doesn’t take a stats class to recognize such an obvious distinction.

        Portlander

        February 28, 2016 at EST pm

  3. Sanders deserved to lose big time. He is a very old man who foolishly and arrogantly acts like he would be proud to be the most pro-choice and pro-infanticide candidate out there. And he reminds everybody of people like Larry David and David Letterman and Jimmy Carter – people who do not seem to like other people because they enjoy living in a sarcastic weirdly superior world. Hillary doesn’t seem to like other people either, but her apparent loyalty to the very unlikeable Bill over the last three decades projects an aura of someone who cares about other people, no matter how flawed they are. That is something most demographics relate to, rightly or wrongly, informedly or un-informedly.

    howitzer daniel

    February 27, 2016 at EST pm

    • He’s a f$cking Communist, good riddance.

      People think it was so terrible that Augusto Pinochet disappeared Communists in Chile by dropping them out of airplanes into the Pacific ocean. I think Pinochet did the right thing.

      Dan

      February 27, 2016 at EST pm

      • He’s not any more communist than Obama, he’s just not good at marketing himself.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 27, 2016 at EST pm

      • Pinochet was the best thing to ever happen to Chile.

        destructure

        February 28, 2016 at EST am

      • Dan is still butthurt that his native Austria was occupied by Soviet troops. His family also lived in terror at the prospect of a Warsaw Pact invasion of western Europe. Hey Dan how come communist states are more white today than the “free world” hmmm?

        Pinochet murdered dumb leftist nationalists not actual Marxist-Leninists.The latter have never taken power democratically and embrace violence. Not widely known but Chile under Pinochet was aligned with Mao.

        redarmyvodka

        February 28, 2016 at EST am

      • I love Pinochet! Great man. Every time I drink Chilean wine I think of him.

        Yakov

        February 28, 2016 at EST am

    • Wow, I have no clue what you’re talking about here. Just because Larry David parodied doesn’t mean Sanders isn’t the most sincere presidential candidate.

      ruhkukah

      February 27, 2016 at EST pm

      • ruhkukah – sorry if I was not clear. To be fair, of the last 100 candidates for president, Sanders is nowhere near the worst. He may be honest, but he is a sad little old man who does not care about the future of America, and that lack of caring for the country he wants to rule far outweighs the honesty he thinks he feels in his heart. Unlike most of us Americans, he has never worried about his next paycheck, he has never led a team of workers in hard times, and he has done something most decent Americans never would have done – he has spent decades bragging about his disrespect for unborn children, Hillary is his equal in all these respects, and she deserved to lose, too. But, for some reason, the Democrats have rigged it so that there is no hope that a good-hearted pro-life American can win a Democratic primary. I wish Democrats, who used to be the party of the workers and of the down-trodden and of average people, could come up with a candidate who does not despise workers and average people, but that hope is speculative at best.

        howitzer daniel

        February 28, 2016 at EST am

      • “… Unlike most of us Americans, he has never worried about his next paycheck, …”

        Don’t know what this means exactly but before Sanders started winning elections at age 39 he was pretty poor.

        James B. Shearer

        February 28, 2016 at EST am

      • James B Shearer – Good point, in that his paychecks were not good for much of his life, which gives him more understanding of the middle class than most politicians. However, he was a former high school basketball champ and a University of Chicago grad, and that combo in the years when Sanders was young in a prosperous United States was a gold ticket to lots of jobs any time he wanted them. Most people under 50 have no real idea how spectacularly easy economic life was for educated and healthy U.S. citizens back then. Sanders’ decision to spend much of his youth not seeking regular paychecks was a choice to self-actualize in low-paying jobs that stoked his ego and his pride. Hence, he never worried about his next paycheck in the way most Americans have.

        howitzer daniel

        February 28, 2016 at EST pm

      • He was an a star athlete among other Jews from Brooklyn. If he had to compete against the blacks in basketball or track, he wouldn’t have been much of a champ.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 28, 2016 at EST pm

      • Lion- maybe, maybe not. Jews – at least Northeastern Jews – were really into basketball in the 50s. Sort of like the Soviets and chess circa 1950-1980 or the South Korean women and golf today, they really wanted to succeed, and if Sanders won a championship in that milieu, who am I not to be impressed?

        howitzer daniel

        February 28, 2016 at EST pm

  4. What’s interesting is forecasting into the future, 2020 or 2024, if you aren’t black or from down south you have no shot at dem national politics. Considering the Dem party has been virtually wiped out down south in state-wide office, tonight’s primary is a massive wake up call for Klobuchar, Schatz, Markell, Raimondo, Gillibrand, Bennet, Murphy, Inslee, Baldwin, Merkley & Castro(s) that Kamala Harris and Corey Booker are the next in line. Tim Kaine (VA) is the only person in the party under the age of 60 right now that can compete with those two.

    Everyone else on that bench will get destroyed by Booker or Harris in a potus D primary due to the dynamics of tonight.

    Oh and John Bel Edwards won’t get any traction anywhere and was lucky so he doesn’t count.

    So yeah, lots of ambitious Dem govs and senators tonight are going to be looking at that result tonight with fear.

    uatu

    February 27, 2016 at EST pm

    • This is a very insightful post. It looks like we’re going to see a clearer shift towards elections being between the black party (D) and the white party (R), with this being great news for the Rs.

      T

      February 28, 2016 at EST pm

  5. Not to demonize her or anything but Hillary is promising to open the borders to Mexicans and Muslims and to empty the prisons. Making matters even more depressing if that’s possible, my wife hung a “HILLARY 2016” banner on our front railing.

    Mark Caplan

    February 27, 2016 at EST pm

    • Is she aware that you don’t share her opinions?

      Perturabo

      February 28, 2016 at EST am

      • You mean, did I tell my wife that two weeks ago I quietly switched my party registration to GOP so I could vote for Trump in the North Carolina primary? No, I haven’t exactly brought that up yet. No man in a working marriage lets on to his wife what he’s really thinking.

        Mark Caplan

        February 28, 2016 at EST am

      • Yeah but when you start saying things in your sleep, and someone defaces the Hillary2016 sign with black spray paint, the li’l woman might put 2+2 together. Math is hard, but even us gals can come do simple arithmetic.

        gothamette

        February 28, 2016 at EST am

    • Trump is going to win. You should playfully tease your wife about supporting someone who can’t win a general election. Treat her support for Hillary as you would treat a 4-year-old’s support for some nonsense.

      T

      February 28, 2016 at EST am

    • Mark Caplan, dude, get that Hillary 2016 sign the hell off your railing. Its your house too! WTF?

      I sometimes think I am henpecked and then I hear something like this. That would never happen at my house. I wouldn’t have it.

      “You mean, did I tell my wife that two weeks ago I quietly switched my party registration to GOP so I could vote for Trump in the North Carolina primary? No, I haven’t exactly brought that up yet. No man in a working marriage lets on to his wife what he’s really thinking.”

      Will someone stage and intervention for Mark please? I’m been quite open with my wife about all aspects of HBD. Now she agrees with me, because its true. Immigration, Islam, Trump, you name it. If its true, its true. How do I defend myself? Because its true and because I’m a man, not some emasculated, politically correct wimp. Does she want to be married to an actual man or not?

      Dan

      February 28, 2016 at EST am

      • My only worry about the “HILLARY 2016” sign on the front of my house is that the local KKK will think blacks must have moved in.

        In my house I have all the civil rights of every American, including the right to remain silent and the right against self-incrimination. I intend to take full advantage of those rights.

        Mark Caplan

        February 28, 2016 at EST am

      • “including the right to remain silent and the right against self-incrimination”

        You are (or are supposed to be) the authority figure in your marriage. She needs to be the one hiding her political views from you. Take control of your household and turn it into a patriarchal family. Don’t you dare have children until you get this sorted out.

        T

        February 28, 2016 at EST pm

      • Mark Caplan, I say this respectfully and with love, but damn dude you need to assert your dominance over your wife and your physical dwelling space or you are going to invite all manner of evil into your house.

        Two in the Bush

        February 28, 2016 at EST pm

      • Mark: T and Two speak the truth. You should listen before it’s too late. I didn’t and pay the price every day.

        My purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others.

        owentt

        February 29, 2016 at EST am

    • You mean, did I tell my wife that two weeks ago I quietly switched my party registration to GOP so I could vote for Trump in the North Carolina primary

      Whooo-pish.

      My only worry about the “HILLARY 2016” sign on the front of my house is that the local KKK will think blacks must have moved in.

      The KKK has been effectively defunct and powerless in NC for decades, except in the minds of Hollywood Producers who think they’re still out there barring blacks from the polls or gang raping young black schoolgirls on a weekly basis. About all they can muster now are 10 or 12 old timers who set up a “counter-protest” in some small town parking lot somewhere during various flaps about the confederate flag, and that’s probably only in the overwhelmingly white areas in the Western foothills or mountains (rather than any important cities in the NC crescent)

      Camlost

      February 28, 2016 at EST am

  6. Epic tweet by Edward Snowden: http://i.imgur.com/djfl9tn.jpg

    Sagi Is My Guru

    February 27, 2016 at EST pm

    • Maybe you interpret that as pro Trump.

      I think he meant Stalin vs Hitler.

      Rifleman

      February 28, 2016 at EST am

  7. @Lion:
    What are your ideas about winning white millenial Bernie Bros for Trump? They hate Hillary. She crushed their dreams for sure.

    I have noticed that a lot of gamergaters, anti-islamic atheists, anti-SJW, anti-feminist liberals say things that are objectively Alt-Right and more radical than anything Trump would dare say in public. Yet they vehemently insist that they are leftists on the grounds that they support Bernie and abhor Trump. Well Bernie is gone. So what remains is their mental roadblock against considering Trump. What to do?

    One potential approach could be classic “lesser of two evils” arguments. e.g. Hillary bombs brown people. Trump just doesn’t want them here. So who is the evil fascist?

    Another angle is to point out that Trump is vilified by common enemies. In other words, “the enemy of my enemy…”

    Maybe a full conversion is possible. #feelthebern is dead. The alt-right is dynamic and growing. It could happen.

    acolyte

    February 28, 2016 at EST am

    • Trump cares about regular Americans. He has to say some conservative stuff like he hates abortion so he can win the Republican primary, but he doesn’t really believe in that stuff.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 28, 2016 at EST am

      • Most regular Americans aren’t really that into abortion. They find it distasteful and morally suspect, at best. While they may not oppose all restrictions on abortion, they’re not “pro-choice” in the sense that liberals are.

        Tom

        February 28, 2016 at EST am

      • I doubt that millenial Bernie Bros identify as “regular Americans” or sympathize with them.

        Millenials are more anti-abortion than previous generations, but not because of religious reasons. They are quite secular, like Trump. And it is not an all-or-nothing issue for them. Europe is stricter on abortion than the US. So Trump should say he favors European style abortion laws. Fundamentalist pro-choice boomers vote Hillary anyway.

        http://studentsforlife.org/new-poll-shows-millennials-are-pro-life/

        acolyte

        February 28, 2016 at EST am

    • I wonder how the Left will take the fact that their arch-enemies, the Koch Brothers, hate Trump. A lot of Leftists saw themselves as rebels standing up to the evil tycoons who run the country behind the scenes. Will it surprise them to learn that they and the Koch Brothers are on the same side? (Trump did an anti-Koch tweet today, although it wasn’t very incisive).

      Perturabo

      February 28, 2016 at EST am

  8. The contrast between Hillary’s South Carolina victory and Sanders’ New Hampshire victory is quite incredible. I guess on Super Tuesday we will see the process repeat elsewhere: Sanders wins the lily white states, Hillary wins the black-heavy ones.

    This doesn’t seem great for party unity. Obama deserves more credit than he gets for being such an effective “bridge” candidate able to hold together the Democratic coalition through the sheer force of his personality. Hillary might have the sheer numbers on her side, but the Bernie people are overrepresented in the media, particularly youth-oriented news sites and social media, and they seem like a bad gang to be lukewarm about you heading into the general election.

    That being said, Democrats are much better team players overall. The worse you can say about the Bernie folk is that they might not be AS blindly loyal to Hillary as she might prefer. They are not ostentatiously threatening to not vote for her at all the way the Cruz/Rubio people are talking about Trump.

    Janos

    February 28, 2016 at EST am

    • Berniebros, now you can see the writing on the wall. Welcome to help making America great again.

      Glengarry

      February 28, 2016 at EST pm

  9. Just finished reading ‘No One Left to Lie To’ by the late Christopher Hitchens. I knew he hated Bill, but he also dedicates a chapter to outlining how Hillary is just as corrupt and dishonest. I didn’t realise that she was largely behind private detectives investigating Bill’s women and then finding ways to defame and discredit them. She’s also scarily open to being influenced by people prepared to give her cash, including the Pakistanis. Interesting read.

    I also didn’t realise that in the early hours of the 93 Inaugaration Bill was overheard screaming “f*****g b****! at Hillary, who riposted “stupid mother f****r!” As Hitchens wryly notes, that was one time that they were both entirely candid in public and also factually accurate 😀

    Julian

    February 28, 2016 at EST am

  10. I hope Trump goes pro choice in the general to stick it to the Stupid Christians. They will vote for him anyway so fuck them.

    Most real Democrats (i.e. white Democrats) want Bernie. The polls have shown as much. White Democrats under 45, ostensibly the future of the Democratic party, have gone for Bernie at insane margins. This group is going to become increasingly disenchanted with an explicitly open borders-crony capitalist-BLM-Wall Street party. Especially now that the Stupid Christians have lost control of the GOP and no longer will give young SWPLs a Christian Emmanuel Goldstein to hate.

    The supposed turmoil of the Republicans is not the sign of collapse, but of regeneration into something new and better. Whereas the seeming stability of the Democrats hides the fact that they are rotting from the inside out.

    Otis the Sweaty

    February 28, 2016 at EST am

    • Most real Democrats (i.e. white Democrats) want Bernie.

      In South Carolina Sanders won:

      1 – White men

      2 – Voters 18 – 29

      3 – first time voters.

      Got destroyed with others.

      He will be Hillary’s VP pick and they will position him to be chief policy adviser on all the issues he cares about. Like Dick Cheney was to Bush only from the populist left.

      Rifleman

      February 28, 2016 at EST am

      • white men and white voters 18-29 seem like a pretty important bloc, no? And not only did Hillary lose those two groups, she got annihilated by the them. How does this bode well for the future of the Democratic party?

        I am not claiming that Democrats are on the edge of destruction. In fact, in the short term I believe that the Republicans face more trouble maintaining their coalition than do the Democrats. I am, however, saying that the numbers of the Hillary-Bernie battle are a clear sign of trouble down the road.

        Otis the Sweaty

        February 28, 2016 at EST am

      • Hillary got a tiny number of a tiny number. This # is hardly worth fussing over. Please familiarize yourselves w/basic stats. In SC, only a small # of whites vote Dem.

        Who are these people? It would be interesting to know. My guess is that they are the SWPL class of SC, the SJWs, and the few white proles left who still vote Dem. Or perhaps in my immortal phrase the prole whites who vote Dem. in SC are “less than proles”?

        The big picture is that in all states so far and probably in the future, Sanders is the white candidate, Hillary the black one, and if she wins, which seems likely, well, you do the math.

        And if Trump wins, it will be the white man v. the de facto black candidate. I don’t like this at all but I guess it’s gotta be.

        gothamette

        February 28, 2016 at EST am

      • Otis, she didn’t get “anihilated” by those groups at all. The white man split was 56 to 44. The youth vote split was 54 to 46. Only the first time vote split was huge, 63 to 37.

        The splits were far vaster in terms of race, income, and issue trust.

        Morris

        February 28, 2016 at EST am

      • He will not be the VP pick. She will pick a man of color.

        K.l. Asher

        February 28, 2016 at EST am

      • She got crushed with white men. And she got crushed with young *white* voters, not all young voters, who were mostly or at least heavily black overall.

        Trying to play down Hillary’s white problem is ridiculous.

        Otis the Sweaty

        February 28, 2016 at EST am

      • The big picture is that in all states so far and probably in the future, Sanders is the white candidate, Hillary the black one, and if she wins, which seems likely, well, you do the math.

        Since you want to focus on numbers be aware that Hillary won the WHITE vote in South Carolina.

        It’s only near 45% of the total but still she won a clear majority. I think it was 60% of the White female vote.

        The country is NOT simply White Republicans vs non-White Democrats. That is increasingly the Steve Sailer fantasy about Democrats being a Coalition of the Fringes ganging up on poor persecuted “white males” like him. Who are apparently – America’s Core!

        Rifleman

        February 28, 2016 at EST am

      • “Since you want to focus on numbers be aware that Hillary won the WHITE vote in South Carolina.”

        No she didn’t, and putting WHITE in capital letters won’t make it so. She won a majority of the whites who voted in the Dem. primary – that is not the same thing as the WHITE vote in South Carolina. Until you understand this crucial difference, you don’t get the big picture. Democratic voter participation was down from 2008, and was far less than Republican participation. The majority of whites in SC vote Republican now.

        “The country is NOT simply White Republicans vs non-White Democrats. That is increasingly the Steve Sailer fantasy about Democrats being a Coalition of the Fringes ganging up on poor persecuted “white males” like him.”

        Steve Sailer exaggerates like crazy and he thinks he’s a big expert on everything that he touches. Well he’s not. I learned a lot more about US voting patterns from American Nations by Colin Woodard, which refutes his “Coalition of the Fringes” theory. That said, if Af-Ams voting as a block decide who is nominated the election can fairly be said to be decided by race. That is a shame and doesn’t bode well for whoever wins. I almost feel that we are at the end of the second Reconstruction. The first one ended badly too.

        gothamette

        February 28, 2016 at EST pm

      • No she didn’t, and putting WHITE in capital letters won’t make it so. She won a majority of the whites who voted in the Dem. primary – that is not the same thing as the WHITE vote in South Carolina. Until you understand this crucial difference, you don’t get the big picture.

        Since the thread is titled – Democratic South Carolina Primary – I expect readers to understand what the percentages mean.

        You wrote –“Sanders is the white candidate, Hillary the black one, and if she wins, which seems likely, well, you do the math.

        My point was that you are wrong. Hillary won the WHITE vote in the SC primary so how does that make Sanders the “white candidate”?

        Hillary won the majority of the White vote and a landslide of the black vote.

        So Hillary is the representative of the majority of White and black voters in the democrat party in South Carolina.

        Why do you find that hard to understand?

        Rifleman

        February 29, 2016 at EST am

    • What makes you think evangelicals will vote for Trump even if he goes pro-choice in the general? Otis, how many evangelicals do you know personally?

      Maryk

      February 28, 2016 at EST am

      • Exit polls show that evangelicals have indeed been voting for Trump. And they hate Hillary, will never vote for her.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 28, 2016 at EST am

      • They’ll vote Trump because even they have finally gotten it thru their thick skulls that politics and religion are two separate entities and the President isn’t your pastor or the Pope. You get to vote for one guy, and sometimes your guy is more “No” to the other guy, than it is “Yes” to yours.

        Your conflation of religion w/politics is exactly what’s gotten evangelicals and tru-cons into such deep shit, and has rendered them ineffectual. They can’t even get their own agenda passed, much less do anything constructive on immigration and trade, the two running sores in the body politic.

        Some of them have learned that arguing about abortion and SSM when your country is being destroyed is re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic as it rams the iceberg.

        gothamette

        February 28, 2016 at EST am

      • PS, I have a soft spot for Bernie because he is at least talking about real issues. I may not agree with his solutions, but there is a genuinely substantive core to his candidacy. His candidacy is completely the mirror image to Trump’s, it’s about the same core issues, but diametrically opposed. That’s great. I would love to see him oppose Trump in the general, and we would have, if our country was still 85% white and if real reps of working class whites still ran the Democratic Party.

        But no, we will have Hillary because the Democratic party has become totally dependent on black votes, and beholden to black and women and LGBT identity politics. Identity politics are a substitute religion. Identity politics happens when people’s traditional loyalties to family (which is a proxy for class), country and religion become atomized by liberal capitalism and modernity. And you can’t argue rationally about this. Hillary made an open, nakedly emotional appeal to identity politics in her banks speech, which of course deflected attention from her own dirty history of shilling for the banksters.

        Bernie can’t counter this with a nakedly emotional appeal to country because he doesn’t feel that Bern, and Americans are tone-deaf to class appeals. Trump can. Success in politics depends on who can exploit the crowd’s emotions.

        gothamette

        February 28, 2016 at EST am

      • I wouldn’t vote for him if he “went pro-choice in the general,” and neither would large numbers of other people. It’s wouldn’t be about religion, it would be about being lied to that blatantly.

        It also wouldn’t get liberals to vote for him. A pro-infanticide Trump would be just as “those people – ewwww” to liberals as the current version of Trump.

        But have fun “sticking it to the Christians.” I’m sure that’ll work great.

        Perturabo

        February 28, 2016 at EST am

      • Gothamette,

        “Your conflation of religion w/politics is exactly what’s gotten evangelicals and tru-cons into such deep shit, and has rendered them ineffectual. They can’t even get their own agenda passed, much less do anything constructive on immigration and trade, the two running sores in the body politic.”

        This is not correct. Evangelicals never conflated religion with politics. Leftists decided to attack religious people by attempting to push all forms of religion out of the public space.

        map

        February 29, 2016 at EST pm

  11. Why are the Dems going with Hillary as opposed to Cory Booker? He would be a lock to win in November and would have a great chance of being re-elected in 2020. Hillary in contrast could actually manage to lose to Trump and if she does pull it off is much more likely than not to lose next time.

    Otis the Sweaty

    February 28, 2016 at EST am

    • “Why are the Dems going with Hillary as opposed to Cory Booker? …”

      Probably because Booker isn’t running. Booker is 46, he will have more opportunities if he is interested.

      James B. Shearer

      February 28, 2016 at EST am

    • If one or the other of the Castro brothers don’t pan out, I see Booker on the VP short list. He’s black (ish), he’s maybe gay, and he tweets a lot. Perfect running mate for a Democrat.

      Mike Street Station

      February 28, 2016 at EST pm

  12. Evangelicals always fall in line. They will vote for whoever has an R next to his name against the Democrats no matter what. They are the Republican party’s version of blacks. This has been demonstrated repeatedly. In fact, I don’t even think they will care when/if Trump goes pro choice in the general.

    Let’s not confuse Evangelicals with TrueCons. TrueCons really will vote for Hillary or sit it out. This is because TrueCons are insane. Many TrueCons are Evangelicals but only a marginal percentage of Evangelicals are TrueCons.

    I guess I am between you and Lion. I think the TruCons are very serious and I expect around 1 million TruCon Romney voters to either not vote, vote 3rd party or vote for Hillary. This will be huge and unprecedented, but not enough to defeat Trump. Even if it was, it would be a small price to pay for the destruction of Conservatism.

    Fortunately for you, MaryK, I will vouch for you after the revolution so you will be spared liquidation.

    Otis the Sweaty

    February 28, 2016 at EST am

  13. The most important # in the SC Dem primary is # of total votes cast:

    http://www.bustle.com/articles/144608-how-many-people-voted-during-the-south-carolina-democratic-primary-the-numbers-are-less-impressive-than

    “South Carolina can claim nearly 3 million registered voters. Of those voters, a simply unprecedented amount showed up for the South Carolina GOP primary, which took place the Saturday prior. The same could not be said for the Democrats. Voters appeared to only be strong in numbers when they were voting by mail….In Greenville County, the most populous in South Carolina, a paltry 10.35 percent of voters participated in the primary on Sunday.”

    Read the whole thing. This is much ado about something different than the MSM would have you believe.

    gothamette

    February 28, 2016 at EST am

    • Despite The First Woman President campaign and the Feeling of the Bern………………the Dems this time in all states so far are way down from 2008 or 2012 from what I can tell.

      Trump has fired up the Republicans and Cruz got more votes in the little Iowa caucus than ANY Republican in history.

      If you went by the “feel” of the “elite” media you might think there will be a Democrat landslide and Trump and his band of Evil Backwoods Nazi Troll Fascists will be destroyed………….before they get the chance to destroy civilization itself.

      Rifleman

      February 28, 2016 at EST am

  14. Hillary DOES have a White man problem — as a nasty, man hating Lesbian she is repulsive to pretty much all Straight White men even highly uber-liberal idiot ones. BUT Hillary DOES appeal as noted above to White women, particularly upper class White women. It is identity politics and Gothamette nailed it — loss of family / class identity upends normal politics and allows Black/Gay/Women politics to mobilize against the core nation.

    Rifleman is quite wrong, as usual; there *IS* a core nation — that is the one found going to the Moon and fighting at Iwo Jima, Guadalcanal, Okinawa, and Bastogne. However Steve Sailer does not fully appreciate how White women and in particular UPPER CLASS White women have jumped ship and joined the AA gravy train at the expense of White men and have generally expressed great hostility to White men. Principally for not being sexy enough, lacking dominance which all women crave.

    The core nation creates nearly all the money, does nearly all the fighting and dying, and creates nearly all the technology and advances. Gays, women, and Blacks do the interior decorating, Social Justice Warrioring, and racial shakedowns plus rap feuds and shootings. What Steve Sailer does not realize however is that White women + the fringes equals a majority. True the fringes don’t create anything and are what amounts to parasites, but they are a majority due to mass Third World immigration and dropping White female fertility (lack of enough sexy dominant A-hole White males).

    Hillary does badly enough with White men to open up a gap with Trump even though he would seem to have big, big problems with White women particularly Upper class White women who are reflexively anti-White male and pro Diversity. His sell I imagine would be that enough mass Immigration and America is like Europe, where White women are constantly harassed at best in public and raped at worst. Leaving European women no ability to go outside the home and having their home being an armed fortress built for defense (and relying on male relatives willing and able to fight) not comfort.

    Really, not enough can be said about the rapeffugees in Europe. And the future for America. Even White upper class women driven by hate hate hate for White beta males can figure being a goat herder’s prostitute is worth a beta male being allowed to prosper.

    whiskeysplace

    February 29, 2016 at EST am


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