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Time article about Kasich

Joe Klein at Time laments that Kasich didn’t get the attention he deserved.

I personally hate Kasich because he can’t wait to give amnesty to illegal aliens as soon as he gets into office. But as far as I know, that’s what the GOPe wants, so the GOPe made such a huge mistake by not making Kasich their favorite in the first place. Instead, after Jeb’s failure to launch (did anyone even bother to do a focus group to see if voters wanted another Bush?), they got all excited about the prospect of a young, allegedly good-looking, Hispanic to ride in and finally win over the hearts and minds of those “natural conservatives.”

Republican strategists are the most incompetent of all strategists. Maybe if Karl Rove had a college degree, he’d be smarter.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

March 11, 2016 at EST pm

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  1. The bald ineptitude of the GOP brain trust this election cycle has been nothing short of astonishing.

    Two in the Bush

    March 11, 2016 at EST pm

    • It’s every cycle. Their 2012 autopsy was absurd, but the peddled it as a real strategy. Look at ’em now.

      Mike Street Station

      March 11, 2016 at EST pm

  2. Karl Rove doesn’t have one college degree? You can’t make this stuff up. Sometimes the truth is more unbelievable. #thegopisdead

    The Capstone

    March 11, 2016 at EST pm

  3. While I agree about the good sense of Trumps positions on immigration, I suspect that actually deporting those millions is just as realistic as kicking the destitute out of emergency rooms who are acutely sick or injured. American citizens aren’t interested in solidarity when called upon to make real sacrifices, however whenever the manipulative media show sob stories, everybody knows that the masses are feelin’ their bleedy hearts. No politician, especially Reagan or any of the Bushes has been able to say no when pictures of the pitiful get the people all stirred up.

    Unfortunately they’re rarely stirred up to get out their own checkbooks; they want balm for their consciences on somebody else’s dime.

    So maybe Kasich is just being realistic that no democracy has the stomach to do anything as hard-hearted as deport all those people… even if it were the right thing to do.

    I fully expect Trump to get elected and I would put money on that.

    However I would put even more money on the fact that the US immigration regime will not change much.

    We may see a wall… that American taxpayers fund… if perhaps partially paid with a tax on money transfers and from Mexico.

    We will see some arguing about birthright citizenship and anchor babies but Trump will not have the political capital or legal judicial authority to make any big changes there.

    H1B Visas will continue to be granted. There may or may not be an expansion of the program (subject ot negotiations he may compromise this one to get some other element of his immigration agenda). However there will be no stop or moratorium to the H1B program.

    The US non-Hispanic white population will continue to sink below 45% by 2060 from the current ~65% and from the previous >85% in 1960 as has been projected. This may be one area in which the US actually exceeds expectations.

    But you know what? With nobody left alive to remember the majority White American civilization there will be nobody left to mourn or protest this development.* It’s amazing how people can get used to anything if the change happens gradually enough. Feudalism and serfdom overnight? That would cause an uprising. But introduce it gradually…

    *Unless of course the economy and society fails to deliver the promise of the American dream to both the offspring of the previous citizens and residents as well as the newcomers… then without cohesion unifying society there might be more significant strife and serious civil conflict.

    Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

    March 11, 2016 at EST pm

    • In the long run, pretty much all hispanics, asians and indians will intermarry with the white population and become white. The only unassimilable groups are blacks and muslims and even those groups are being chipped away at.

      The economy has been stagnant for 9 years now and will stay crappy forever. White racial consciousness is growing rapidly. H1B’s are going to be slowed down even if they won’t be shut down completely.

      As for deporting people, it is easy to do an the public would support it. I don’t think 12 million will be deported even if Trump gets elected but it is doable.

      Your defeatism is contrary to the values of the Revolution.

      Otis the Sweaty

      March 11, 2016 at EST pm

      • It’s easy to deport people. You can’t deport 12 million people in one month, but over the course of a four-year presidency, where you actually have a policy of deporting people, and illegal aliens no longer get welfare benefits or drivers licenses or other nonsense, and they can’t find jobs because of a crackdown on employers who hire them, and they fear being caught end deported, they will self-deport.

        We should have a program to help illegals who seek deportation. We could give them a free plane ticket home, free shipping of their possessions, and even some pocket money, perhaps $300 or so, to help them get started on their new life in their home country.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        March 11, 2016 at EST pm

      • “We should have a program to help illegals who seek deportation. We could give them a free plane ticket home, free shipping of their possessions, and even some pocket money, perhaps $300 or so, to help them get started on their new life in their home country.”

        The federal government could pay a US company (with US workers) to build housing in Mexico for recently deported immigrants so they would have a place to live when they get sent back, if they would be homeless otherwise. The US could give Mexico a grant for short-term public works jobs specifically for recently returned immigrants. No doubt this would dwarf the future cost of educating and supporting illegal immigrants and their descendants, would be humane and increase the likelihood of self-deportation (further reducing the financial and political cost of the deportation program itself)

        chairman

        March 11, 2016 at EST pm

      • What I really would like to see is a federal / national citizen’s id. Require it to vote, get a job, open a bank account, cash a check, etc.

        Keep it separate from driving privileges. Make it easy to get for ALL citizens. It’s probably more of a hardship for citizens w/o driver licenses because they can’t do banking or getting a job… Not being able to vote is the least of things.

        Even the biggest democracy in the world, India, requires voter ID. If they can put ID in every one of their billion plus diverse poor illiterate citizens, why is it so hard for us to consider? We don’t even need to look to all the Scandinavian social democracies that our progressive leftists idealize; of course those also require voters and employers to check national photo ID.

        Before we even start deporting the non-citizens, we could take some sensible steps to make it difficult for employers to break the law about employing unauthorized non-citizen residents. When I lived in Europe, no bank wanted to give me a bank account until I had a resident’s permit and visa. Now no bank wants to give me a bank account because of the onerous documentation requirements of FATCA.

        Strange isn’t that we require more documentation and bureaucracy of our citizens abroad than the non-citizens living among us?

        Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

        March 11, 2016 at EST pm

      • What I really would like to see is a federal / national citizen’s id. Require it to vote, get a job, open a bank account, cash a check, etc.

        Keep it separate from driving privileges. Make it easy to get for ALL citizens. It’s probably more of a hardship for citizens w/o driver licenses because they can’t do banking or getting a job… Not being able to vote is the least of things.

        Even the biggest democracy in the world, India, requires voter ID. If they can put ID in every one of their billion plus diverse poor illiterate citizens, why is it so hard for us to consider? We don’t even need to look to all the Scandinavian social democracies that our progressive leftists idealize; of course those also require voters and employers to check national photo ID.

        Before we even start deporting the non-citizens, we could take some sensible steps to make it difficult for employers to break the law about employing unauthorized non-citizen residents. If it’s not attractive to live “under the table” illegally in the US, I’m sure many of these unauthorized residents might voluntarily return home.

        When I lived in Europe, no bank wanted to give me a bank account until I had a resident’s permit and visa. Now no bank wants to give me a bank account because of the onerous documentation requirements of FATCA.

        Strange isn’t that we require more documentation and bureaucracy of our citizens abroad than the non-citizens living among us?

        Finally the best solution would be for Latin America to grow prosperous, peaceful and provide good opportunities to its own citizens so the people there don’t have to give up everything, family, community, etc to try for life in a place that may not be welcoming and may exploit them.

        Sure it seems Pollyanna, but who could have imagined a generation ago that China now has better roads, rails and airports than the US?

        Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

        March 11, 2016 at EST pm

      • Wow, I actually agree w/Otis about the race issue. The white majority has in the past assimilated small amounts of brown, yellow, red (and even a tiny amount of black) genes and is none the worse for it. Blacks cannot be assimilated in anything other than trivial numbers.

        This must totally disgust the alt-right loonies that Otis hangs with. Oh well, NMP.

        But I’m increasingly convinced that there will be a collapse. If China’s bubble bursts, so does ours. Then what?

        gothamette

        March 11, 2016 at EST pm

      • The federal government could pay a US company (with US workers) to build housing in Mexico for recently deported immigrants so they would have a place to live when they get sent back, if they would be homeless otherwise. The US could give Mexico a grant for short-term public works jobs specifically for recently returned immigrants. No doubt this would dwarf the future cost of educating and supporting illegal immigrants and their descendants, would be humane and increase the likelihood of self-deportation (further reducing the financial and political cost of the deportation program itself)

        Helping the [insert racial epithet for Hispanics] of Mexico is not important enough compared to fighting Marxism-Leninism. Germany and Western Europe needed our money because of the evils of Marxism-Leninism. Perhaps we could sponsor some right-wing death squads in Mexico instead.

        Latias

        March 11, 2016 at EST pm

      • Defeatism… Maybe… But the cows have gotten out. The die is cast… We chose our path. I doubt we have the will to reverse that decision from 1965 even if it were possible. We’ve got to make the best of it and just be more prudent about any future decisions of such far-reaching consequence.

        Regarding South Asians… I rarely see interbreeding / exagamy among them to the degree I see White Male / East Asian Female. While I generally perceive the traditional prosocial values and family orientation as “fortifying” our decadent western culture of secular individualism, I have a hard time imagining them “melting” away into the indistinct muddy gray American race. I can more easily imagine them staying “distinct” like Orthodox Jews. Any thoughts?

        As far as the economy stagnating into a winner-take-all situation that leaves most Americans and newcomers alike out of the race, I see the possibility of an even darker future. I don’t think that any of the constituent races or ethnic groups are intrinsically incompatible of integration into the American experiment. However if we can’t deliver the promise of the American dream to the offspring of the newcomers and those whose families have been here for generations, it could be a real recipe for ressentiment, ethnic and social conflict. Ethnic diversity is certainly a challenge, but it can work if there is some kind of unifying civic and cultural order. If the generations that follow abandon that civic glue, they can forget about unity and look forward to a corrupt racist ethnic spoils system that isn’t much better than feudalism.

        From some of my most candid “conversations about race” with newcomers from Africa, Asia and Latin America, it always astonishes me how unromantic their view of the whole “diversity dream” that bien pensant whites harbor. They don’t really necessarily understand, admire or wish to emulate the values of those descended from the Europeans or Blacks during the first couple centuries of the country’s existence. More likely than our country’s people blending into an indistinct “gray” American race, I see a future American population consisting of an uneasy balance with an overcaste consisting of those raised by “Tiger and Lion Mothers and Fathers” (Confucian East Asians and Jews for the curious) as well an undercaste of the usual suspects which I will not name in addition to a lost caste of those too surly and disagreeable to even work in the kitchens or gardens. If the imported overcaste is clever enough to be doing the knowledge work, what’s left for the mediocre caste in the middle descended from the Europeans? Is their destiny to be personal chefs, interior designers, yoga instructors and masseuses for the overcaste?

        Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

        March 11, 2016 at EST pm

      • The former president of Mexico, Vicente Fox, actually has shown the way. Asked about how one eats an elephant (presumably the USA), he laughed and said “one bite at a time.” Same thing with deportations, you do them one at a time. Do enough, and eventually the illegals will get it that their time will eventually be up and they’ll go home on their own. That’s how Eisenhower did it, so I really don’t understand the snickering over “self deportation.” It works. The only reason it wouldn’t is if our government actually wanted the illegals here, which is entirely possible.

        Sgt. Joe Friday

        March 11, 2016 at EST pm

      • Don’t be so cheap, Lion. Give them $1k per family member, $500 when they land, and then another $500 a year, if they’re still in their home countries to pick up the check at the US consulate there.

        Trump ought to announce this during his inauguration if he’s elected, and say flights will start in July, to give the illegals time to get their affairs in order and let their kids finish the school year. But that if they want the cash, they’ll have to register for the deal by March at their local FBI or ICE office, where DNA samples will be taken and biometric IDs will be provided which expire over the summer.

        That’s it. Generous and humane. And anyone who doesn’t take the deal and gets caught later gets deported without the cash.

        Dave Pinsen

        March 12, 2016 at EST am

      • You nailed it, once again Otis. I’d just add re: deportation, a good start would be to force MX to stop busing Central Americans from their southern border to their northern border. There need to be two impervious North American borders, one at the southern end of MX and one along the southern border of the US. We tend to think all of these people are Mexicans and they aren’t.

        Curle

        March 12, 2016 at EST am

    • I think you can definitely get the equivalent of deportation but ironically on of the keys would be to avoid actually deporting people as much as possible by instead going after the employers, landlords, and bankers that illegal immigrants rely on to live in the US. Huge numbers of illegal immigrants leave the country when the economy does poorly and jobs start to dry up and that doesn’t elicit any sympathy.

      I also agree that Trump is probably going to sell out on immigration though.

      One of the best things Trump could do as president is get rid of the hispanic label and get as many people as possibly currently labeled Hispanic to just be considered white. It’s an identity that was crated and is propped up by the government and doesn’t do anyone any good. It’s something that even confuses people that are relatively knowledgeable and think about the issue a lot.

      Lloyd Llewellyn

      March 11, 2016 at EST pm

      • ” think you can definitely get the equivalent of deportation but ironically on of the keys would be to avoid actually deporting people as much as possible by instead going after the employers, landlords, and bankers that illegal immigrants rely on to live in the US. Huge numbers of illegal immigrants leave the country when the economy does poorly and jobs start to dry up and that doesn’t elicit any sympathy. ”

        I think we could do a broken windows on illegals. No matter what your offense, check to see if they are here legally. If not, adios!

        I am absolutely positive that these three POS’s are illegal.

        http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/10/donald-trump-supporter-threatened-at-gunpoint-in-g/

        Also, would love to see happen is an Executive Order banning all languages other than English to be used on Federal government websites.

        gothamette

        March 11, 2016 at EST pm

    • “The US non-Hispanic white population will continue to sink below 45% by 2060 from the current ~65% and from the previous >85% in 1960 as has been projected. This may be one area in which the US actually exceeds expectations.”

      Why is this a given instead of a choice? It looks to me more like a petitio principii fallacy. Of course, if you keep the borders wide open, don’t enforce our laws and the native population is unable to reproduce because of a terrible economy and all the burdens the government constantly invents, it will eventually happen and we don’t need all the graphs and statistics to prove it.

      vdorta

      March 11, 2016 at EST pm

  4. Republican strategists are the most incompetent of all strategists.

    Yes, but they are getting paid. Jeb’s $100+ millions went somewhere.

    That’s another reason they hate Trump – he didn’t employ them.

    I posted this link before. Very funny:

    Conservatarian policy wonk. People respect me.

    https://twitter.com/DemsRRealRacist

    Rifleman

    March 11, 2016 at EST pm

  5. The anti-white male crowd wants a hispanic. Hence Rubio.

    George AngryDad

    March 11, 2016 at EST pm

  6. Not snarking – do you know that Rove has any role at all this time around? My gut is that if he were making any decisions, he wouldn’t be on FoxNews, so much.

    Department 11

    March 11, 2016 at EST pm

    • Karl Rove was the mastermind behind the secret Stop Trump meeting with a bunch of Obama-voting billionaires.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      March 11, 2016 at EST pm

      • I keep hearing about these Trump meetings and nothing ever comes of them. I feel like we’ve been promised about six or seven coordinated anti-Trump ad blitzes by now.

        Mola

        March 12, 2016 at EST am

  7. Pat Caddell is interviewed at Breitbart and the subject is about trade deals and how the American people have finally figured out they are being screwed. During the interview Caddell says that Kasich is for TPP and then says something like …”Kasich was a US Representative back in ’93 and I bet he voted for NAFTA, look that up..”

    Kasich voted for NAFTA as well as GATT. Trump is allergic to running expensive TV ads, but he should jump on this big-time.

    pat

    March 11, 2016 at EST pm

  8. Republican strategists are the most incompetent of all strategists.

    Mike Murphy screwed up Jeb’s campaign but walked away with $14 million out of the more than $100 million Jeb spent for his whole run.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    March 11, 2016 at EST pm

  9. College dropout Karl Rove likes to portray himself as some sort of master strategist, but his track record is mixed at best. I never have understood why the media afford him so much credibility. Rove’s dislike for Trump makes me like The Donald even more (and I just voted for him).

    Black Death

    March 11, 2016 at EST pm

  10. A college degree does not make you smarter. Intelligence is primarily genetic and there is little that education can do about that. Besides, there are plenty of college professors who are just as pro-immigration as Karl Rove.

    Joe Walker

    March 11, 2016 at EST pm

    • The GOPe is run by this country’s political B Team. These are state school grads who couldn’t hack it as corporate functionaries. They keep losing because they’re dumb. The nation’s elite government strategists and policy wonks are Ivy Leaguers, and they play for the Democrats.

      B.T.D.T.

      March 11, 2016 at EST pm

    • A college degree does not make you smarter, but it assimilates you into the tastes and attitudes of the professional world. And for the rest of your life those tastes and attitudes will be interpreted as intelligence. That is why it is always smart to go to college.

      B.T.D.T.

      March 11, 2016 at EST pm

  11. anti Trump riot in Chicago. This is exactly what we need.

    Otis the Sweaty

    March 11, 2016 at EST pm

  12. Somewhat related, BLM has shut down the Chicago Trump rally. Violence, massive amounts of Blacks, Muslims, White (fat or tat) girls, etc. I was wondering when they would do that. Pretty soon you will see I imagine all Trump rallies disrupted by BLM. Its an expression of Black dominance. Don’t expect it to stop anytime soon.

    Trump IS the White candidate, and Dems ARE the Black candidate. I would expect ever more Whitey-baiting by BLM, culminating in a massive brawl.

    whiskeysplace

    March 11, 2016 at EST pm

  13. I think that Kasich could have done very well this election if he had supported “self-deportation with a smile.” What Mitt Romney proposed, but with a warm, friendly tone. You don’t need to build a wall and forcibly deport millions of people to reduce the amount of illegal immigrants living in the US. You just need to make the economic benefits weak*. Kasich could have talked about going after mean, greedy businesses which exploit poor brown people (to pander to Sanderistas), increasing employment opportunities for blacks (BLM), stress the importance of law and order (TruCons), etc. If he had done that, he could have weaned off plenty of Trump supporters by saying that building a wall will not be cheap or quick, and it’s ludicrous to expect Mexico to pay for it.

    What’s weird is that Kasich was firmly against illegal immigration in 2010: http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2014/11/21/kasichs-immigration-views-have-evolved.html

    I suppose his views “evolved,” but come on, he could have backtracked to his earlier views last autumn when Trump was the front runner. Kasich should have been able to tell where the political winds were blowing.

    * I have tutored English to plenty of Hispanics, and it was clear that they didn’t particularly like living in the US too much – they were here to make money, but they much preferred their own cultures otherwise.

    Sid

    March 11, 2016 at EST pm

  14. Vicious, violent radicals caused Trump to cancel a rally in Chicago. The head of Moveon issued a statement saying Trump was “on notice.” I used to get angry at left-wing fascism. Now I laugh. They probably just elected Trump as 45 tonight. They are so clueless.

    gothamette

    March 11, 2016 at EST pm

    • Gothamette,

      This is my position exactly. It’s truly amazing how Trump’s idiot opposition does not seem to realize that Trump’s positions have been very moderate, especially on immigration. He was simply focusing on the common-sense opposition to illegal immigration, without any of the more sophisticated understanding of immigration’s underlying problems.

      Everything Trump proposed could’ve been easily checkmated through agreement and amplification by the other candidates. Simply lie to the people and make the usual platitudes, and Trump would’ve been history.

      Instead, the oppos went into hysterics over what Trump said. By doing so, they made the immigration/trade issues front and center. Worse, BLM stunts in Chicago only solidify Trump support. The media at these rallies better hope nobody decides to take them out first before the brawling begins.

      map

      March 11, 2016 at EST pm

      • @Map,

        “Now I laugh. They probably just elected Trump as 45 tonight. They are so clueless.”

        I spoke too quickly and I’m not laughing anymore. A lot has gone down since last night. That was some sick shit, worse than Chicago 1968 – because they are in control now.

        The entire political class has united against Trump & taken the side of the thugs. I don’t think he’s going to be the nominee, much less President. The Trump insurgency will be crushed. As Larry Auster said before he died, “It’s their country now.”

        Ultimately “they” will fail, because they are sick bastards, but right now is the time for us to repair to the Sierra Maestras and bide our time.

        gothamette

        March 12, 2016 at EST pm

    • Chuck Todd and other White media liberals are blaming Trump and saying it’s up to him to stop it. LOL.

      Even the two Latino Losers Cruz and Rubio are blaming Trump for his “tone”.

      This is great, but I’m concerned that White women are going to get nervous and want Trump to go away because they are scared and uncomfortable with all this “hate”.

      So much of the campaign against Trump is about punking out and frightening and making White people feel uncomfortable and guilty. And that works on White women more than anybody, hence the Hillary and Democrat media strategy.

      If only men voted this would contribute to a Trump landslide. Alas, the 19th amendment remains law so this could be bad.

      Rifleman

      March 11, 2016 at EST pm

    • LOL. Well, Kasich just took himself out of the Trump administration.

      reddit maniacs:

      https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/4a1xz9/chicago_rally_aftermath_magathread/

      https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/4a2bu9/what_really_happened_at_the_chicago_rally_my/

      Bernie Sanders on Trump:

      We will continue to bring people together. We will not allow the Donald Trumps of the world to divide us up.

      First tweet response:

      …you are taking equal part in the divisiveness, you senile communist.

      LOL.

      Rifleman

      March 12, 2016 at EST am

      • Let’s hope the sensible people in OH are paying attention to Mr. Kasich’s blame the victim posture. Duck and cover as a political strategy. Pathetic.

        Curle

        March 12, 2016 at EST am

  15. It’s scary to me that some people are excited about politicized street violence.

    Mola

    March 12, 2016 at EST am

    • Rage Against the Machine’s entire setlist is based around romanticizing leftist street violence, and they’ve been around since the early ’90s.

      Richard

      March 12, 2016 at EST am

      • If you want to romanticize street violence it doesn’t get any better than the Hard Hat Riot. On May 8, 1970 about 200 construction workers beat the crap out of 1,000 hippies in the Wall Street area. I can’t find any videos but I remember seeing footage of it on the nightly news when I was a youngster.

        Lewis Medlock

        March 12, 2016 at EST pm

    • Um, okay? And is that good or bad?

      Mola

      March 12, 2016 at EST pm

  16. Interesting that some of the best on the ground commentary of the Trump Rally in Chicago was from a black Trump supporter. I also found from following his comments that there is an #AsiansforTrump hashtag.

    Julian

    March 12, 2016 at EST am

  17. After what happened last night, I won’t vote for Sanders in the NY primary. Not even for mischief purposes. Yes, I’ll vote for Hillary. Hear me out. I know what Hillary is: a slimey globaloney huckster who will say literally anything to get elected.

    Rifleboy actually is making a good point here. I’m deeply disturbed by what happened last night and although in this case I do not blame Trump, if it keeps happening, I will.

    In order, I blame the thugs (the “protesters”), Rahm Emanuel (because why not), Chicago, Bill Ayres, the media, and last of all, Trump himself. Yes, Trump – because he hasn’t taken seriously the idea that things can get very very ugly. C’mon, a guy from Queens should know this.

    The thugs are indeed provocateurs – but he should be able to handle provocation more deftly, and he should caution the people who come to his events more sincerely, and they need to have better security. There should be a cadre of male volunteers seeded throughout the crowds ready to hustle away truly provocative provocateurs. Rifleboy, are you up to it? If not, then STFU. If you can say my vote should be taken away, I can say STFU.

    BTW, that doesn’t include women in hijab who stand in silent protest. I hate any woman who wears hijab, but if she wants to pay her money, and stand for three hours in a hostile crowd, that’s her business. Ignore her. If Trump crowds get worked up over this, that tells me they are in a volatile mood and they are ready to be provoked. That doesn’t seem to be the case last night though. This was plain & simple a fascist attack on a peaceful political protest. Any media phony or pol who blames Trump for last night deserves to be sent to a Chinese labor camp.

    Those are my gut feelings & I’m sticking to them.

    gothamette

    March 12, 2016 at EST am

    • If Trump voters were actually volatile, then they’d be the ones storming Sanders and Clinton rallies picking fights and destroying property. In reality, it’s they who are being insulted, attacked and walked over, while hypocritically being blamed for what others do to them.

      However I agree with you that Hillary is the one who’ll benefit from these shitshows, not Trump like some are saying. Because Trump voters aren’t actually violent and disruptive, she gets to stay aloof while stirring up anti-Trump violence by equating Trump with fascists and racists, and the “Mom and Dad, please stop fighting!” voter is going to turn to her as a relief from the high stress surrounding Trump.

      Richard

      March 12, 2016 at EST am

      • I won’t vote for Hillary (and I only meant in the primary). Not after what she said. She blamed the violence on Trump. Fuck her. Fuck Sanders too.

        gothamette

        March 12, 2016 at EST pm

    • Rifleboy actually is making a good point here. I’m deeply disturbed by what happened last night and although in this case I do not blame Trump, if it keeps happening, I will.

      See. Woman think.

      …and they need to have better security. There should be a cadre of male volunteers seeded throughout the crowds ready to hustle away truly provocative provocateurs.

      More Stormtroopers, right. That’ll look great on TV. The libs and GOPe wont spin that negatively at all.

      Rifleboy, are you up to it? If not, then STFU. If you can say my vote should be taken away, I can say STFU.

      Your vote can be your husband’s, just badger him into voting for who you want. That’s what women used to do before they were set loose.

      Those are my gut feelings & I’m sticking to them.

      Thanks for sharing your emotions but the problem is you women can be emotionally intimidated by too much hostility and then you just want all the upsetting things to go away so you can go back to watching dumb TV shows, gossiping about people and shopping and eating.

      If the media and GOPe can convince enough people that Trump is The Ultimate Villain they can turn the weaker people, mostly females, against him.

      That’s just a biological fact. It’s a way the weak respond to stress.

      Rifleman

      March 12, 2016 at EST am

      • Lol, see Rifleboy talk.

        Did I bother to tell you that I think these little leftist anti-fascists ought to be crushed? But they won’t be, which is why I think there should be cadres of supporters in Trump rallies the purpose of which is to hustle away the leftist provocateurs. It’s a sensible solution, only idiots like you would object.

        gothamette

        March 12, 2016 at EST pm

  18. The Reddit thread on The Donald has the best eyewitness accounts of what happened:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/4a2bu9/what_really_happened_at_the_chicago_rally_my/

    I have to say I am shocked at the sheer mendacity of the media accounts. This is like Rodney King – only now we have the Internet to counter the narrative. For now.

    gothamette

    March 12, 2016 at EST am

  19. Check out the correlation between Trump and WASPs here: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/13/upshot/the-geography-of-trumpism.html

    IHTG

    March 12, 2016 at EST am

    • That article has some dumb NY Times reader commentary. This, for example, is the top-rated comment, which is referencing the article’s observation that Trump voters disproportionately list their ethnicity as “American” in the US census:

      “Love it how Trump voters think their ancestors spontaneously sprang up out of the soil somewhere in the USA. They can’t even admit – or maybe they really don’t know – that their ancestors were immigrants. Perhaps a high school diploma would help…”

      The fact is if you’ve been in America long enough you’re an Old World mongrel. In my case, the last foreign ancestor I have arrived in America about the year 1886. I’ve done some genealogical research and I’m ethnically a melange of English, Welsh, Irish, Finnish, Norwegian, Danish and who knows what else. None really predominating. In the census I’ve listed my ethnicity as English because that’s what my surname is, but I’m increasingly aware of how absurd it is to claim to have a European ethnic group at all. Most Americans with no recent immigrant ancestry know less about their background than I do. Putting your ethnicity as “American” probably makes more sense than not if your roots are old enough to have been mongrelized, but hey, what’s the point of having a college degree if you can’t feel superior to people with different politics than you?

      Richard

      March 12, 2016 at EST pm


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