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Trump likes his steaks well done

The latest Trump outrage: he likes his steaks well done. Very well done.

It wasn’t until the last ten years or so that I learned that it’s prole to eat well-done meat, and that sophisticated people like to eat their meat rare.

Ironically, despite the fact that the upper classes are obsessed about their health, it’s the proles who are less likely to get sick from eating their well done meat. That’s especially true for hamburgers. Chopped meat is a lot more likely to have bacteria in it so it’s actually a very smart idea to eat your burgers well done.

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This fits a pattern of SWPL types being very worried about artificial things like preservatives, but oblivious to the more common natural dangers of things like bacteria in their meat. But, as we see from the Chiptle E. coli outbreaks, bacteria are a very real danger.

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Yakov, the resident HVAC technician, writes:

Me and my Tajik like our meat well done. Once we were treated to a supper by a wealthy customer who made our stakes medium, he ate rare himself. That was disgusting. Fit for a dog, not for a man. Trump has the right taste. If he can chose a good woman, dont you think he can chose a good stake?

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

March 17, 2016 at 7:59 pm

Posted in Politics, Proles

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  1. I don’t often agree with Trump, but I agree with Trump.


    March 17, 2016 at 8:01 pm

    • Meh. Figures.

      LotB: it’s actually a very smart idea to eat your burgers well done

      They taste like shit.


      March 17, 2016 at 8:03 pm

  2. I like medium. Rare just isn’t cooked enough.


    March 17, 2016 at 8:04 pm

    • Try “medium rare.” The best of both worlds!


      March 17, 2016 at 8:22 pm

  3. Just think of how nany exciting veins of Trump Hate remain to be mined.

    How does a billionaire get his steak cooked?

    However the fuck he wants!


    March 17, 2016 at 8:12 pm

  4. Lion, come to the west coast or Texas and try an In N Out burger medium rare. Well worth it even if you end up in the ER.

    Once family owned and operated. Sadly the only heir to the company is a prole sterotype. Loves drag racing and changed her last name multiple times, to put it politely. She’ll probably get out maneuvered by some board of directors.

    Mayor of Outter Space

    March 17, 2016 at 8:19 pm

  5. For me, if it’s a good steak, I’ll order medium rare. I used to order burgers the same way but switched to medium over bacteria concerns. I’m eating less meat lately, not only for health reasons but because factory animal production leaves me feeling uneasy. I know veganism is a SWPL affectation, but I’m starting to think about going “plant based” after watching nutritionfacts org videos on YouTube.


    March 17, 2016 at 8:20 pm

  6. Burgers are supposed to be well done. Steaks though are supposed to be medium rare. Well done steak ruins the flavor and makes a good cut of meat indistinguishable from worse cuts.

    Hamburger tends to have more bacteria because it’s ground beef and the bacteria tends to get mixed through the whole meat. For steaks though, most of the bacteria is on the surface or near the surface, and it tends to be killed with mild cooking on the surface.


    March 17, 2016 at 8:38 pm

    • If you order a steak well done, you don’t have to worry about ruining a good cut of meat. The cook will pick out the oldest poorest looking cut for that. The best freshest cuts are reserved for rare-medium. Anthony Bourdain wrote about this in his seminal work “Kitchen Confidential.”


      March 18, 2016 at 12:37 am

      • Eating steak and meat of varying quality, nevertheless is prolish in America, given the fact that it’s quite cheap, relatively comparing to non-Anglo Western nations, where animal flesh is expensive.


        March 18, 2016 at 6:33 pm

      • JS, when I eat something it’s because I like it, not because of someone else’s opinion of what I should be eating. This is a new low in phoneless. Mate, get a grip of reality already.


        March 18, 2016 at 7:06 pm

      • Btw, a typical ribeye steak sold at a Montreal Supermarket costs about C12 (equivalent to a $9 raw steak in NYC), which suggests that Americans are prolier when it comes to meats.


        March 18, 2016 at 7:07 pm

  7. What about this:

    He’s not a connoisseur of art or literature

    A series of 16th Century Flemish tapestries hung in the house when he bought it, which had been carefully protected by drapes. He soon blasted them into oblivion with sunlight, causing them to fade irreparably.

    The library, with centuries-old British oak bookcases filled with rare first editions, was turned into a bar, said Mr Senecal. A portrait of Mr Trump in his tennis whites now hangs in the room.


    March 17, 2016 at 8:40 pm

    • File under “who gives a shit?”


      March 17, 2016 at 9:15 pm

    • I thought The Guardian article citing ex-workers on what Trump’s really like was interesting. They obviously wanted to portray him in a negative way, but he comes out looking like a decent guy.

      “Justin Goldberg was project manager on 40 Wall Street, the art deco New York skyscraper bought by Trump in 1995, and was given a job in the Trump Organization through his father, Jay Goldberg, Trump’s long-serving and trusted attorney. He recalled one awkward moment away from work sometime in the mid-nineties.

      When Trump had slept over at the family’s residence in upstate New York, Goldberg’s mother prepared breakfast for him in the morning and mistakenly poured salt instead of sugar all over their guest’s cornflakes. Trump, trying to mind his manners, ate the whole salty, soggy breakfast.

      “I thought that was pretty impressive,” said Goldberg.

      Some former employees argued that despite Trump’s impressive wealth, he remained a “regular guy”.


      March 18, 2016 at 4:10 am

  8. SWPLs in America and just about everybody else in the Anglosphere, do not eat very well, when compared to Southern Europeans and the non-poverty stricken, Islamic Mediterranean.

    I can certainly attest that Urban French White Quebecois eat better than the Anglo proles south of them, or east of them. Their quality of life which centers around real food (with an abundance of fruits and vegetables), socialization and leisure, surpasses everyone else in North America, with the exception of the upper class minority of Anglo-Canada. Conversely and unsurprisingly, poverty striken non-Whites in the French Speaking province are generally not well adjusted, when compared to their counterparts in Anglo-Prole domains, with their affirmative action measures and welfare programs to assist them, all supported by their exceedingly wealthy value transference capitalists, who need cheap labor to generate more wealth by exploiting lower IQ individuals. NAMs in the English Speaking world have it good, relatively comparing.

    Atlantic-Anglo Canada is the White Trash of the Great White North, but significantly less severe when compared to our south and parts of the Midwest.


    March 17, 2016 at 8:43 pm

  9. There is nothing I like better than tri-tip, grilled over charcoal and red oak, medium rare, accompanied by a central California coast pinot noir.

    Sgt. Joe Friday

    March 17, 2016 at 8:45 pm

    • Get the Malbec. Live a little…


      March 17, 2016 at 9:33 pm

  10. Trump is somewhat OCD about germs, so that’s probably why he prefers his steaks well done. It fits the pattern along with how he avoids shaking people’s hands. When CNN had a town hall event with the candidates on the eve of the South Carolina primary, Anderson Cooper asked Trump why he likes chain fast food restaurants and Trump responded that he likes their strict quality controls.

    If any of his opponents were smart, then they would paint Trump as being a Howard Hughes type eccentric obsessed with cleanliness who engages in weird germaphobic behavior. Then again, they’re probably afraid of speaking poorly about the mentally ill.


    March 17, 2016 at 9:05 pm

    • Trump conquered his handshake germophobia a long time ago. But he still doesn’t like to stay in hotels not owned by him because of uncertainty about cleanliness. I’ll bet his eating habits are related to this as you say.

      Andrew E.

      March 17, 2016 at 9:36 pm

  11. “I have, but sometimes it’s comes out closer to rare.”

    Wow, just wow…I mean like that is so horrible. I’m surprised you made it out alive. Shite, stay away from sushi. It isn’t even cooked at all!


    March 17, 2016 at 9:07 pm

    • Germs are good for you and so is sushi. The Japs are very clean chaps, or at least this is what I think, but raw meat is impossible to chew. I’m not chewing a raw cow or goat, no way! Tastes lousy too. Learning to cook meat was supposed to be a big evolutionary step forward, by the way.


      March 17, 2016 at 10:33 pm

      • “Germs are good for you and so is sushi.”

        The Japanese always include wasabi with sushi because it will destroy the potentially harmful bacteria in the fish.

        Lewis Medlock

        March 18, 2016 at 10:40 am

  12. And heads up in the PRC, Bros and Broettes:

    Kinda like they say, “There are no strays in Chinatown.”


    March 17, 2016 at 9:11 pm

    • That and the transformer oil the Sub-Saharans like to steal and cook with.

      Mayor of Space

      March 17, 2016 at 9:33 pm

  13. Me and my Tajik like our meat well done. Once we were treated to a supper by a wealthy customer who made our stakes medium, he ate rare himself. That was disgusting. Fit for a dog, not for a man. Trump has the right taste. If he can chose a good woman, dont you think he can chose a good stake?


    March 17, 2016 at 9:31 pm

  14. If you go to certain expensive steakhouses the server will look upon you with utter disdain if you attempt to order a fine steak well done. I’ve seen a few places that will flat out tell you that they don’t venture beyond medium well.


    March 17, 2016 at 10:00 pm

    • People pay good money to have the waiter look down on them? I’d rather go to the Waffle House.

      Just kidding.

      Or maybe not.

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      The one time I ate at a Waffle House, somewhere in flyover country, the food was greasy, but the service was pleasant.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      March 17, 2016 at 10:03 pm

      • I went to a Waffle House about 4-1/2 years ago, when I was in Atlanta for the funeral of one of my college frat brothers. I had a dish with chili+hash browns+onions+I don’t remember what for breakfast, but being hung over and about to bury one of my closest friends who was only 49, it seemed like a good idea at the time.

        Sgt. Joe Friday

        March 17, 2016 at 10:35 pm

      • Waffle House is decidedly inferior to Cracker Barrel and even Denny’s. It also attracts a lower level clientele than the other two as well.

        Lewis Medlock

        March 18, 2016 at 10:45 am

  15. Whoa, whoa Lion. Didn’t you just have a thread a few months ago about how proles don’t understand the correct flakiness and texture/softness of bagels? … but you didn’t know that well done steaks are the domain of proles? (and blacks)


    March 17, 2016 at 10:02 pm

    • Not blacks, blacks eat raw meat.


      March 17, 2016 at 10:11 pm

      • They’ll also eat Soylent Green, capiche?


        March 17, 2016 at 10:18 pm

      • @Vincent, capiche?


        March 18, 2016 at 12:00 am

      • Just remembered: my son had shared a house in London with a Nigerian accountant and that guy ate his meat raw every day! And the guy was a successful accountant. I’m not saying it’s wrong for him, I’m saying that Russians and Tajiks don’t like it raw.

        Just thought about: imagine Trump invites Putin to the white house and treats him to a Trump steak? Wow! Putin is gonna love it!

        Incidentally, there is well done and very well done, I like mine well done because very well done is kinda overdone. Who eats very well done, I wonder?

        Nobody said anything about a lamb burger, how come? Should totally try it. It’s a wonderful choice. Try it on a date, will give you something to talk about.


        March 18, 2016 at 12:39 am

      • Ethiopians have several different versions of steak tartare.

        Lewis Medlock

        March 18, 2016 at 10:52 am

  16. I don’t think Yakov is a real person. For one, his name is Yakov. Second, he says smart things with the grammar frequently correct but the punctuation incorrect (or vice versa)


    March 17, 2016 at 11:20 pm

    • Mate, are you are a Sherlock Holmes and an English teacher or something? Why is a name Yakov any more an indication of not being a real person then a name Lion or Russ? Incidentally, they used to say similar things about Trump and many still do, but it ain’t gonna help them.


      March 17, 2016 at 11:56 pm

      • He is Yakov.

        Yakov Smirnoff.


        March 18, 2016 at 1:48 am

    • He also once claimed to be BOTH a plumber and a lawyer.


      March 18, 2016 at 12:23 am

      • Marty, your memory is playing tricks on you mate – it had never happened. I do gass piping for furnaces, which is a plumber’s job, but that’s it. My cousin is a lawyer, not me. I used to be a pretty decent jailhouse lawyer back in the day, but I’ve forgotten a lot by now. Suspicious people are creepy.


        March 18, 2016 at 12:46 am

      • Heh, at least he’s got one honest line of work then.


        March 18, 2016 at 6:12 am

      • I think he’s like Ray Lopez over at Marginal Revolution, a “character” account. Basically he’s just doing performance art, i.e. a troll with a shtick.

        Average Man

        March 20, 2016 at 10:57 am

    • What has he ever said that’s smart?

      Lloyd Llewellyn

      March 18, 2016 at 4:47 pm

      • He doesn’t insult other commenter and lash out at them. He seems to understand that while it’s nice to be smart, it’s smarter to be nice.


        March 18, 2016 at 7:03 pm

  17. Bacteria mainly grows on the outside of a solid cut of fish or red meat. If, as mentioned, you are eating ground beef (a burger), the entire thing is surface area after the meat has been ground, so you need to cook it well.

    Fat doesn’t taste good raw. But, a lean cut of red meat cooked rare has more flavor. You literally cook the flavor out of a good steak the longer it is exposed to heat.

    I like my fliet mignon cooked blue, where the outside is seared in a cast-iron skillet and the middle is cold.


    March 17, 2016 at 11:31 pm

  18. Eating out is upper-middle-class yuppie uncanny valley territory to real elites. A lot of SWPL behavior is. Peasants can’t afford the vanity. Trump is able to exploit quirks like this to get along with the working class, who overlap quite a bit culturally with the elites because neither side is striving to stand out pretentiously.

    Status conscious bourgeois who point at Trump’s “bad taste” basically have no idea how much of the joke is on them. I personally think a well cooked steak actually is more flavorful but with a worse texture, but maybe this depends on jaw muscle. Slack-jawed leftists do seem to like a tender rare sous vide, heh.

    For what it’s worth, a good steak sauce and vegetables and full meal (maybe 5 course!) with a crowd make taking time to chew more appealing, so the rareness of the meat doesn’t matter as much. I imagine the rich skew towards well done for this plus health reasons.


    March 17, 2016 at 11:49 pm

    • You only need steak sauce if the meat isn’t very good. If it is good you don’t want the sauce drowning the taste of the meat.


      March 18, 2016 at 7:01 am

  19. I like my steak rare or blue. Or stake tartare! 🙂 The thing is: you really need high quality meat, which is quite expensive. That’s not the meat proles are eating. A pound of tenderloin at the Japanese Premium Beef store on Great Jones is $60!


    March 17, 2016 at 11:57 pm

  20. Also, btw, burgers and steaks are very different. Germs appear only when the meat has contact with the air. So, for burgers it’s a problem. At Minetta I eat the burger rare, since they actually use steak meat and they ground the meat on the spot. But in a regular burger place, eating rare can be a problem, but I take my chances and always go rare or medium rare. Medium is too cooked, and well done is obnoxious. Steaks on the other hand have much less of a germ problem, so they can easily go rare or blue. I generally go rare. My favorite dish is stake tartare tho. 🙂


    March 18, 2016 at 12:07 am

  21. Just last night I witnessed proof of your claim. I was eating at a famous NorCal meat-lovers joint in SWPL Marin County, when a painting contractor sat down next to me at the counter with three of his mates. This guy was kind of a Trump personality himself, loud and boisterous, and started talking up the Trump campaign while writing to some woman on Tindr (LOL!), to the chagrin of his (apparently apolitical) prole mates. Friendly guys. Anyway, he ordered his steak well-done and charred, and so did the worker next to him. I always go medium rare and never get sick. ‘Course, I’m IA and eat lots of garlic.

    West Coast IA

    March 18, 2016 at 12:20 am

  22. I’ve read that Trump doesn’t make time for exercise (very prole) & survives on 3-4 hours of sleep a night. I’m skeptical about that sleep claim.

    Steven J.

    March 18, 2016 at 12:30 am

    • Why skeptical? I do it AND exercise. Actually, he has a very nice wife and he eats a lot of meat, so how does he do it? I’m divorced and I eat meat very seldom because I like fruits and vegetables and avocado is like meat in many ways, but eating meat and having a wife you need more sleep? The answer is simple, I think Trump is very high energy and can do much more then me. Jeb probably sleeps like 10 hours a day. Why, was that retard running for president?


      March 18, 2016 at 12:53 am

    • There are people genetically like that who can live perfectly fine off 4 hours of sleep. 4 hours of sleep to them is 6-8 to us.

      I knew a guy in high school who was like this. It was ridiculous, he would get 4 hours of sleep every night, play sports, and get straight As. Was a Rhodes Scholar, went to an Ivy league, etc.. Completely normal, is still normal, hasn’t gone nuts or anything.

      It makes sense a guy like Trump considering how ambitious he is probably has what ever genetic makeup that lets him do this.


      March 18, 2016 at 1:35 am

    • Lying about how little sleep you need seems to be a common feature promoted by publicists.

      Mike Street Station

      March 18, 2016 at 6:41 am

      • Correct, I don’t believe Trump exists on 4 hours of sleep a night – but he does seem to have an extraordinarily high energy level. This is something that even his critics have acknowledged from waaaay back – and the evidence is his campaign schedule. It exhausts me just to think about it.

        I think we should all get a good night’s sleep and stop the guilt-tripping. Another reason to hate the MSM!


        March 18, 2016 at 12:56 pm

  23. I once ordered a well-done steak at The Outback, along w/ some A1 sauce, and the cook came out of the kitchen to see who had placed that order.

    E. Rekshun

    March 18, 2016 at 1:50 am

    • One reason why I avoid greater America — ubiquitous-monotony chain restaurants/food establishments are everywhere.


      March 18, 2016 at 12:19 pm

  24. The steaks at a really good steakhouse are a rare breed. They are prime cuts, usually reserved for restaurants. They are also dry-aged for at least 30 days. Dry-aging takes out the moisture and the steaks will need to have a good chunk of the rotting flesh outside removed. The end result is sublime.

    Ordering a real steakhouse steak well-done will dry out the meat too much, since you are already cooking a product with much lower water content. Remember, steakhouse broilers sear at 1500 degrees. Asking for a well-done product will turn it into a hockey puck. Restaurants refuse well-done orders because they know the customer will return the food. It has nothing to do with snobbishness.

    Now, if you are eating steak at home or in a diner, then you don’t need to observe these rules. Diner steaks and supermarket steaks are lower quality. Most people do not have 1500 degree ovens and most will never dry-age. A rare to medium-rare supermarket/diner steak really isn’t going to taste good because the lack of dry-aging will retain too much moisture and attempts to cook rare will leave food under cooked. Well done is fine in these circumstances. In fact, slightly grey with charring on the outside is quite good for a supermarket steak.

    As for Trump? My suspicion is that this is a power move at a business meeting. The purpose of a business dinner is not to eat, especially if you are not the client. Eat before you go and simply order food as a show while the client eats. The well-done steak is a very nice touch. It is both disarming and intriguing, and probably throws the other party off-balance, leading them to wonder if they may have violated some form of etiquette. The restaurants that Trump frequents probably are aware that he eats his steaks like this.

    The only problem I can foresee is appearing to struggle with your food, but I doubt Trump does more than pick at his meal.


    March 18, 2016 at 2:15 am

  25. In France, it’s almost a crime to eat a good piece of meat like Entrecôte not very rare. We say blue. It tastes incredibly bettet. How come that most french are so typically STWPL people ? the spanish hate rare meat and are disgusted by it. So that i went to a marriage half spanish half french and people had to sit in different tables … The spanish like white meat like arabic people. What is strange is that it were spanish people from Castilla and Andalucia and most of them were blond !

    Bruno from Paris

    March 18, 2016 at 5:02 am

    • Blonds are found in Spain, because the Germanic barbarians in the Medieval times were eventually absorbed with the native Iberians.

      Correct, and Quebecois like entrecote with frites, also rare. They pour gravy into it, so tasting the rare texture is not as apparent.


      March 18, 2016 at 10:30 am

  26. Except the prole concern of something dangerous and immediate like food poisoning is mixed up. Hardly any able-bodied adult dies from undercooked meat. But tens of millions die of heart disease from eating prole food and stomach cancer from overcooked meat (look up HCAs).

    This set of concerns pretty much mirrors the prole lifestyle and mindset. Proles are so concerned with immediate threats that they take on a myopic mindset, living moment to moment and responding to fear. This is why proles grow so fat- immediate gratification.

    Uppers are secure enough in the short term that they can evaluate decisions on a timeframe of years to decades. Hence something like the long-term risk of cancer (a typical killer of uppers) is contemplated so much.


    March 18, 2016 at 8:57 am


    Toxoplasmosis is generally transmitted through an oral route, by accidentally ingesting toxoplama gondii cysts, but can be transmitted congenitally, passed from mother to fetus through the placenta.[36]

    Oral transmission may occur through:
    Ingestion of raw or partly cooked meat, especially pork, lamb, or venison containing Toxoplasma cysts: Infection prevalence in countries where undercooked meat is traditionally eaten has been related to this transmission method. Tissue cysts may also be ingested during hand-to-mouth contact after handling undercooked meat, or from using knives, utensils, or cutting boards contaminated by raw meat.[37]
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    MEH 0910

    March 18, 2016 at 11:17 am

  28. I observed this all throughout my child. My dad’s side of the family were upper class Republicans. They and all their friends ate steak rare or med rare. My moms side was middle class and they always ate steak burnt to a crisp. It really comes down to the quality of food being served.


    March 18, 2016 at 1:07 pm

  29. Conservative people are afraid of change. Bacteria, on the other hand, are for change. They want to bring you new experiences.


    March 18, 2016 at 2:45 pm

  30. How do Guidos eat steak? How do NAMs eat steak?

    E. Rekshun

    March 18, 2016 at 9:01 pm

  31. “How do Guidos eat steak?”

    From what I’ve heard, they eat it well-done. They say it gives them an E.Rek…….oh, never mind.


    March 18, 2016 at 9:54 pm

  32. What’s up with Yakov and his Central Asian Stan glib glob?


    March 20, 2016 at 4:31 pm

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