Lion of the Blogosphere

Moving to sort-of whitopia?

I’m considering moving to a township in New Jersey that’s more than 90% white 85.6% non-Hispanic white [sorry for the edit], 48% of the population has at least a Bachelor’s degree (so it’s not too badly prole), there’s a quaint historic downtown (but unfortunately also a lot of strip malls and a Walmart Supercenter, which sounds even more prole than just a regular Walmart), and housing prices are extremely cheap. I can buy a decent condo or townhouse for less than $200K. What’s the catch? It’s an hour and forty minute bus ride to the Port Authority in Manhattan, and costs something like $43 round trip. Once you go far enough from New York City such that commuting starts to seem impractical for all but the most hardy commuters, prices suddenly become affordable.

It doesn’t qualify under that guy’s definition of “whitopia” because the population hasn’t been growing during the last ten years. Although I think as housing continues to become even more insanely unaffordable in New York City, towns that far away with good demographics and a downtown area with quaint historic Victorians where you don’t have to worry about getting mugged could see some benefit.

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April 12, 2016 at 5:56 pm

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  1. Would you need a car?


    April 12, 2016 at 6:05 pm

    • Of course I would need a car! How else would I get to the Walmart Supercenter?

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      April 12, 2016 at 6:08 pm

      • It’s very easy to go into a Super Walmart for one low-dollar item, say, Fruit of the Loom underwear, and easily and quickly drop over $200 on various and sundry low-cost household items!

        E. Rekshun

        April 12, 2016 at 6:24 pm

      • I like JC Penny’s underwear.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        April 12, 2016 at 6:26 pm

  2. Sounds a bit like Newton, though I just checked and its only 78% white (though some of the towns nearby may qualify). My mother lives on a small horse farm nearby. I like it there. It’s about an hour west of the George Washington Bridge.

    Instead of taking the bus, you could buy an inexpensive used car and drive it to NYC. In a lot of neighborhoods in NYC, there’s free street parking available in the evenings.

    Dave Pinsen

    April 12, 2016 at 6:08 pm

    • When I think “Newton” I think of Newton Massachusetts.

      Only 24.7% of Newton NJ has a bachelor’s degree, so it sounds kind of prole. 77.4% of Newton MA has at least a bachlor’s degree, making it the opposite of prole.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      April 12, 2016 at 6:10 pm

      • 24.7% is higher than the national average. And proles can be great neighbors.

        Dave Pinsen

        April 12, 2016 at 6:20 pm

      • Right, Newton, NJ is no Newton, MA! I’ve never lived there, but one half of my entire family settled in Newton, MA after immigrating into Boston from Europe in the late 1800s.

        E. Rekshun

        April 12, 2016 at 6:21 pm

      • Newton, NJ is very prole (and is starting to get alot of Hispanics too). I would recommend the lake communities in Sussex County. You could get a nice house in Lake Mohawk, Sparta or Culver Lake for an affordable price.

        Hunterdon County has alot of nice historic towns with well-educated populations. Warren County is more prole but is still nice.


        April 13, 2016 at 12:14 pm

      • DPinsen is a pro-proletariat, because he identifies himself as one.


        April 13, 2016 at 1:29 pm

      • Newton, MA, counts Noam Chomsky as a resident.


        April 13, 2016 at 2:18 pm

    • Newton has a plain old WalMart, rather than a Supercenter.


      April 12, 2016 at 6:23 pm

      • Didn’t know they had those anymore. Did it open in the 80’s?


        April 12, 2016 at 6:59 pm

    • Hunterdon County is prime New Jersey horse country. Probably pricier than Sussex County, on average.

      Dave Pinsen

      April 13, 2016 at 7:55 pm

  3. Why don’t you move to the pacific northwest and work as a programmer there?


    April 12, 2016 at 6:11 pm

    • I’m to old to work as a programmer.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      April 12, 2016 at 6:16 pm

      • You’re not to old to freelance or run your own programming business, if you’re good. And you can do that from anywhere. The software developer I’ve been using for the last few years lives near Rochester, NY. I found him on Elance, where he scored in the top 10% in their test of Rails developers.

        Dave Pinsen

        April 12, 2016 at 6:21 pm

      • I tried to learn how program iOS, and it was just so boring. I couldn’t get into it. I’m too old.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        April 12, 2016 at 6:24 pm

      • What about teaching as an adjunct at some nearby college or diploma mill? I plan on doing that in retirement. It might be fun and a good way to meet young, impressionable women.

        E. Rekshun

        April 12, 2016 at 6:28 pm

      • True. Programming is a young man’s game. With rare exception, even the best programmers get sick of it by the time they reach 35.


        April 12, 2016 at 7:03 pm

      • I tried to learn how program iOS, and it was just so boring. I couldn’t get into it. I’m too old.

        How about a business analyst role?

        It’s similar to managerial positions in the sense that it consists mostly of presenting powerpoint slides to senior leaders and giving guidance to the people who will do the actual work, but without the responsibilities of managing a team. Many analyst roles are cushy do nothing positions: and for ones where technical knowledge is needed that knowledge comes in handy when recommending operational changes.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        April 12, 2016 at 9:17 pm

      • Yeah, I’ve done that.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        April 12, 2016 at 10:17 pm

      • Teaching could be the ticket … “First of all, you’re at the wrong university. Hoo boy are you screwed. Second, let me tell you about programming as a career.”

        OK, so you might only be invited once.


        April 13, 2016 at 3:35 am

      • You guys have a narrow and outdated understanding of the field. Senior software engineers (achievable inside 5 years) at companies like google make $300k+. The market has changed a lot over the last eight years. Proper software companies that make money from software are now a more appealing career path than BIGLAW or medicine.


        April 13, 2016 at 12:49 pm

      • Yeah, I’ve done that.

        What’s your opinion of doing that again?

        The Undiscovered Jew

        April 13, 2016 at 5:18 pm

    • I tried to learn how program iOS, and it was just so boring. I couldn’t get into it. I’m too old.

      Dallas and Atlanta each have 500+ good jobs available doing what you did at your former company. No need to go back to coding, it’s a young man’s game with sometime long, intense hours and takes too much focus for the over-40 crowd. Come on down South, taxes are much lower.


      April 12, 2016 at 7:00 pm

      • Whitopia, not…

        Mrs Stitch

        April 13, 2016 at 1:32 pm

    • I just bought a second house in Seattle. Last year appreciation was 20% for the market as a whole. My first house doubled in value in 2 1/2 years.

      Maybe you’d wanna be join me? Not sure I’m ready to live with a lion though, as much as I’d most appreciate some company to take on the intolerant oppressive progressive majority here.
      I’m too chicken to put a Trump sticker on my cars or in my front yard.

      Don’t know what kind of house or condo you want. You could get a pretty nice view apartment condo for your budget, but things are getting overheated here. Inventory is at a record low and there is no fresh land left to build. They’re tearing stuff down to make space for new.

      Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

      April 13, 2016 at 1:19 am

    • Forgot to mention. Washington State has no state income tax.

      Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

      April 13, 2016 at 1:21 am

  4. lion, how’s your love life?


    April 12, 2016 at 6:15 pm

    • He’s been asked a couple times about his love life and he is pretty mum about it. From his complaints about the male/female ratio and his idealization of marriage, I gather that he has been unsuccessful in finding a nice Jewish girl to settle down with.

      Of course moving to the exurbs is not likely to help things but he is surely aware of that.


      April 12, 2016 at 7:38 pm

      • I don’t think he’s really in to Jewish girls. They’d boss him around too much. He needs a low-maintenance chick. I still think SE Asian or Chinese would best suit his demeanour, and they’d likely support whatever hobbies/interests he wishes to pursue. But a country white girl (nurse/teacher) would also fit this bill, and he’d probably find them more physically attractive. They’d probably have a kid(s), so Lion would have to deal with that. Hopefully they’re old enough that they can mostly take care of themselves.

        Most Jewish girls just wanna make sure that you’re bring home the shekels. That’s prole.


        April 13, 2016 at 9:21 am

      • Come on now. I’ve paid attention over the years and seen how he defends her…he wants a woman like Serena Williams – athletic, thick & dark.

        With such a woman, he can produce physically gifted children with high intelligence and long range thinking. He will produce a race which masters all…a master race if you will.


        April 13, 2016 at 5:57 pm

    • Discussing your private life on social networks is low class. Lion wouldn’t do it.


      April 13, 2016 at 12:03 am

  5. Suburban buses are so prole, no matter that 48% of the potential ridership has a useless bachelors in sociology and/or psychology. And the commute will destroy your will to live — your life will feel like nothing but work and you’ll have no time for socializing or relationships, other than your fellow overeducated bus commuters, and, as everyone knows, only total weirdos converse on a bus; normal people stare at their iPhags the whole time.

    Just say no. Unless you have no life anyway.


    April 12, 2016 at 6:19 pm

    • I would never do such a long commute on a daily basis.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      April 12, 2016 at 6:20 pm

      • My daily work commute is 1.5 mile each way. I’d ride my bike if it weren’t for the heat and humidity.

        E. Rekshun

        April 12, 2016 at 6:26 pm

      • E., isn’t riding a bike a lot less sweaty than walking? I would get sweatier walking half a mile to or from the train station in summer than I would riding a bike five miles or more. Walking just generates a lot more body heat than biking does, and doesn’t create as much of a breeze. Unless you’re afraid that your bike will get stolen while you’re at work, commute by bike.


        April 14, 2016 at 1:13 am

    • Even if an area is 48% degreed that won’t be who’s riding the bus. It will be the bottom 20% who don’t have a car.


      April 12, 2016 at 8:29 pm

      • The bus to NYC will actually be the top 10%.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        April 12, 2016 at 10:16 pm

      • Commuter buses to NYC from NJ aren’t prole at all. They basically just serve bedroom communities that don’t have train stations.

        Local buses are prole. Commuter buses aren’t.


        April 13, 2016 at 8:24 am

      • Commuting by walking>helicopter>chauffeured S-Class>Metro North>PATH>subway>LIRR>NJTransit>Port Authority bus terminal. There’s a reason that the PA Bus Terminal seems like hell: it’s to convince people that their lives suck and to therefore work harder.


        April 13, 2016 at 2:42 pm

      • I used to commute by walking.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        April 13, 2016 at 6:18 pm

      • It will be the bottom 20% who don’t have a car.

        Destructure sees it. Everywhere in the USA except for NYC, SF, and perhaps Boston, anyone who isn’t already among the elite, and doesn’t have a car, becomes a member of the bottom 20% of society no matter what their IQ is, or what their education level is, or even what their race is. (A high school grad with a driver’s license probably has more job opportunities, and certainly more social opportunities, in the US than a PhD without one.)

        While the US was busy lifting all kinds of historically oppressed classes upward in the decades since WWII, it also created an entirely new underclass without acknowledging this fact in the least.


        April 14, 2016 at 1:46 am

      • Lion sees it right, destruction doesn’t. I took a ride on a bus to NJ about a year ago and all the passengers where totally absorbed by their smart phones. Could you tell the class difference? Does it matter? Do zombies even have class stratification?

        Anyway it’s just a bus ride, how bad can it be taking a bus from NJ to NYC already? Like who cares? This is how people lose their mind, I think. Like who is this chap next to me on the bus? Oh my, it’s a prole! Gevalt! My whole life is ruined now! This is mental already.


        April 14, 2016 at 9:29 am

      • The only people who would spend $43 round trip to commute to NYC are people with pretty high-paying jobs in NYC.

        The commuter railroads, where a monthly pass is about $300, is more prole than that bus, but still 70% affluent people.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        April 14, 2016 at 9:32 am

  6. If it’s the township I am thinking of, you left out the nuclear power plant.


    April 12, 2016 at 6:21 pm

    • That would mean Forked River, which indeed has a nearby Wally World Supercenter, but I’d imagine that the bus to the PABT would take over 1:40.



      April 12, 2016 at 9:50 pm

      • LotB changed the percentage, so it can’t be the township I was thinking of.


        April 13, 2016 at 8:37 pm

  7. Why worry about a commute if you’re “retired?”

    Mike Street Station

    April 12, 2016 at 6:26 pm

  8. Lion, condos and townhouses are for suckers. But an actual house.

    Sagi Is My Guru

    April 12, 2016 at 6:42 pm

    • A house is a lot of work with that yard. A condo has the grounds maintained. The ones where I live have pools, club houses, nice walking trails and parks. Makes me question my decision to buy a house.


      April 13, 2016 at 6:02 pm

  9. If you are going to be living in Jersey, check out Stone Harbor/Avalon for your summer getaways. It is a no prole zone full of Country Club Republicans.


    April 12, 2016 at 7:00 pm

  10. Can’t you get interested in a trade? Do it for fun and the money will come. Yeah, you studied electrical engineering! Do low voltage – it’s easy and good money.


    April 12, 2016 at 7:00 pm

    • True about the electrical work. A nice gig. A very nice gig.


      April 12, 2016 at 7:24 pm

      • My employer just hired an experienced, master electrician to be the in-house full-time electrician handling the facilities’ electrical needs rather than calling and hiring an outside electrician every time the need arises. This new guy’s annual wage is just $43K and he was happy to get the job. He had his own electrician’s business working for himself in central FL and explained to me that competition to hustle up jobs was often crushing, and often had to travel 40+ miles for jobs. Some weeks it was feast and other weeks famine, sitting on the couch w/o any work. He was happy to take a regular gig w/ a 40-hour work week and full benefits. I suspect that he’s still doing electrical work on the side on the weekends and on “sick days.”

        Question: For electricians and other tradesmen working for themselves or w/ a small outfit, can they collect unemployment when they go three or four or several days w/o work? I guess that would depend on whether the individual or the small firm paid the state-mandated unemployment insurance fees. A couple of old high school friends became union sheet metal workers in Massachusetts and were able to collect unemployment when they went w/o work for a few days.

        E. Rekshun

        April 13, 2016 at 11:13 am

      • “Question: For electricians and other tradesmen working for themselves or w/ a small outfit, can they collect unemployment when they go three or four or several days w/o work?”

        Depends on the state. In my state you have to be out of work for at least a week before you qualify for unemployment welfare. So it’s common for construction workers to get a job that lasts a few weeks, then get laid off because the project’s done, then go on a dolecation until the welfare bennies dry up, then get another job, etc. If you’re not super serious about your career, it’s a great way to party and goof off while working just half the year.


        April 13, 2016 at 1:35 pm

      • How are you gonna collect unemployment if you are self-employed? Never heard of this, but who knows? Maybe there is a way. I dunno.

        To make money in a trade you have to work for people who can afford to pay. . In Florida there are tons of Hispanics hustling for jobs. Rates are not very high. Assuming a 220 days work year $43,000 is about $25 an hour, but as yearly salary it’s very little. Poor chap, but then maybe he is not very good. Who knows? Beastly living.

        OT, a Polish cleaning woman got killed by Albanians for $260,000 that she had saved over 30 years of working. Poor woman!

        5:14 But those riches perish by evil travail: and he begetteth a son, and there is nothing in his hand.
        5:15 As he came forth of his mother’s womb, naked shall he return to go as he came, and shall take nothing of his labour, which he may carry away in his hand.
        5:16 And this also is a sore evil, that in all points as he came, so shall he go: and what profit hath he that hath laboured for the wind? 5:17 All his days also he eateth in darkness, and he hath much sorrow and wrath with his sickness.
        5:18 Behold that which I have seen: it is good and comely for one to eat and to drink, and to enjoy the good of all his labour that he taketh under the sun all the days of his life, which God giveth him: for it is his portion.
        5:19 Every man also to whom God hath given riches and wealth, and hath given him power to eat thereof, and to take his portion, and to rejoice in his labour; this is the gift of God.

        True words, but I’ve got to run to my gig. Tajik behaves as if nothing is going on. He is getting on my nerves. I need to replace him. I could have used him or Lion to shlepp tools and nitrogen tanks. I got a leak in the system now!


        April 13, 2016 at 6:10 pm

    • Yakov, electrical engineers design electrical and electronic systems. They do not fix household wiring which is a skilled trade learned in a few months of trade school not a university educated learned profession as is engineering.


      April 13, 2016 at 3:00 pm

      • Mate, you think I don’t know what engineers do? My father was an engineer. Please…

        I’m saying that this middle aged guy with poor English language skills was able to parley his knowledge into a profitable trade. Maybe in America engineers ‘design’, but back in the USSR or in China they know how to use a screwdriver and a plier as well. Many used to moonlight as tradesman to make more money. Please…

        You really make me laugh with this ‘engineers design’ thing.


        April 13, 2016 at 6:25 pm

  11. Leave the New York area entirely. Some pleasant prole places to consider: Corpus Christie Texas, Boise Idaho, Tucson Arizona, Las Vegas, Nevada. And if you can’t abide so much proleness, consider the holy land of SWPLs, Portland, Oregon. New Jersey is a death trap, a suicide rap. Get the bleep out of the New York area entirely.


    April 12, 2016 at 7:01 pm

    • I don’t think Lion would like the demographics of Corpus, Tucson, or Vegas… prole or no prole.

      Jay Fink

      April 12, 2016 at 8:15 pm

      • I liked Phoenix, and Tucson sounds similar.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        April 12, 2016 at 10:16 pm

      • Why do you move to places associated with Gweedos? Arizona attracts Staten Islanders, believe or not!


        April 13, 2016 at 2:07 am

      • In the early ’70s an uncle, under doctor’s advice, moved from MA to Tuscon, AZ for health reasons. As a young boy, I thought Tuscon sounded pretty cool and was full of cowboys.

        E. Rekshun

        April 13, 2016 at 11:16 am

      • In the 79s there were still Cowboys there.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        April 13, 2016 at 11:21 am

    • Portland is unbelievably expensive these days. Look for cheaper places like it–up-and-coming Pittsburgh, Asheville NC, and (believe it or not) Charleston WV.


      April 12, 2016 at 10:53 pm

  12. Try the Ketskills. Lovely up there and not too far away from that busy, big city. All kinds of folk too, from rednecks to hipsters to the crazy rich. And awesome restaurants, no joke.


    April 12, 2016 at 7:23 pm

  13. Consider Pioneer Valley in western Massachusetts. Housing is cheap and there is a good bus system, while colleges provide cultural and scientific events.


    April 12, 2016 at 7:58 pm

  14. I moved to Mexico City from San Francisco. Affordable quality large condos with a view for $150k in good neighborhoods, 99% white, 50ish% some college.

    And full of the cultural benefits of NY. There are theatres, music, workshops and classes at local colleges, fancy food, great food trucks, pretty parks, pretty girls, and dancing clubs–even for middle age not especially attractive people like me to meet girls.

    And unlike NY, everyone is friendly and the subway is clean.


    April 12, 2016 at 8:12 pm

    • How anti American are the Mexicans? Do they talk about Trump a lot?

      Lion: I have a 1.7 mile commute everyday to work, so I take an electric scooter that I bought for $230 for the trip. Is that SWPL? I can’t think of another way to get to work. It’s too far to walk and my asthma is too bad for me to bike.

      Otis the Sweaty

      April 13, 2016 at 8:43 am

    • Right. The rich live well in Mexico. Probably because they export their poor to the US (Jesus we are chumps). San Miguel de Allende has a sizable American ex-pat population and is an eight hour bus ride (nice buses) to Texas. Beautiful place and it would be a great place to live. Of course, you have to learn Spanish and it wouldn’t hurt to have and or get a Mexican girlfriend to help with the cultural stuff. There’s a big American population just outside of Guadalajara too.


      April 13, 2016 at 11:31 am

  15. Lion is the champion of bro game. Look how he’s got all of us trying to help him.


    April 12, 2016 at 8:14 pm

  16. Lakewood Twp? Pretty smart. Must have low property taxes since the public schools aren’t well supported for obvious reasons.

    Nothing to do on a Friday night unfortunately.


    April 12, 2016 at 8:26 pm

    • Well, he’d better hurry, that area is turning into NJ version of Kiryas Joel.


      April 12, 2016 at 10:58 pm

    • There have been a lot of articles written about Lakewood Twp recently. They are taking over neighboring towns now. I drove through there last December. It’s shocking!


      April 13, 2016 at 8:26 am

  17. Have you thought about moving to the DC area, which is about 4 hours drive from NYC? I think you mentioned having a clearance and doing some contracting work for the government before. There are lots of government jobs down there.


    April 12, 2016 at 8:48 pm

    • The Washington DC metro is a satanic hellscape.

      Sagi Is My Guru

      April 12, 2016 at 11:18 pm

    • In ’00, I turned down a $90K/yr job w/ great benefits w/ the DC government after getting a tour of what would be my work place and coworkers. Beside the manager that was trying to hire me before he retired, the only other White person I encountered was the IT guy. Except for the handful of well-dressed, upper-level black female lawyers standing around gossiping, all others were dismissive and rude. The beaten-down IT guy’s demeanor was, “buddy, you don’t want to work here.”

      For a minute, I was serious enough about the job offer to have started looking at apartments. Older, but decent and safe 1 bedrooms near Rock Creek were renting for $1200/month. I thought that was expensive back in ’00, but I hear they’re easily double that today, if you can find a vacancy.

      E. Rekshun

      April 13, 2016 at 11:25 am

      • No whites and only the upper level black women were polite? Meaning the rest of the workforce was black, Hispanic or Asians? Asians aren’t typically rude neither are Hispanics. Where the heck were you that had a majority black workforce in ’00, EEOC?


        April 13, 2016 at 7:34 pm

  18. How old are you?


    April 12, 2016 at 8:49 pm

  19. Lion, what happened to “if you’re not Biglaw in Manhattan, you’re crap!”?

    Herb Dregs

    April 12, 2016 at 9:03 pm

    • I agree that I’m crap. It’s very depressing.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      April 12, 2016 at 10:17 pm

      • A famous Chassidic rabbi once said: ‘Instead of having what I desire, I desire what I have’. Nice thought.

        Look, I met this professor of Electronic Engineering from Tashkent at a construction site. The guy was installing alarms, advanced stuff, and I’d never seen a guy doing his job so effortlessly. This guy just totally controlled the situation and it’s physically an easy job. In couple of years you can have a few guys working for you with you just checking everything they do every single day. Workers can’t be trusted, you know.

        Check this out: my Tajik all of a sudden totally forgot that we have a gig tonight. I decided to ignore him, because I firmly believe in a French saying that it’s better not to be accompanied then badly accompanied. So I worked on my own for 5 hours and kept his money. You do the math now: $60 an hour X 5 hours = $300! Cash! Tomorrow I’m not taking him and doing another 5 hours. Thursday probably too. That’s $1,800 cash from side jobs alone, man. Sunday a compressor change out in a commercial place and I’m coming home with $2,500. This is living, man! You can totally do low voltage: easy, safe, great money. All this money and fun can be yours and even more!

        Moving to that town is lousy idea. You are not gonna do it. I know.

        You got to have a job, though. Without a job you are nothing. You are not a robot, that’s why. A robot, he can just sit around and he doesn’t care, but you can’t, because you have a heart and a brain. It’s like if you had a nylon heart, you would be able to live to 200 years and not care, but you are flesh and blood and you cant. This is very simple, or at least this is what I think.


        April 13, 2016 at 12:37 am

      • Also, to make it very clear, you have to be in the the city to make money with trades because this is where action is. The place has money, the place is popping and it has cash. Work for the rich and the money rubs off on you. And people are nice, you know. Sunday I’d finished by 2 am and my truck’s battery was dead, so the owner took me home in her Lexus (no big deal, I mean the Lexus, just saying). We’d dropped off the Tajik and swung by her office where she’d brought out two expensive bottles of dry red wine and a nice gobblet from her boss’ cellar for me. She’d said: ‘If anyone deserves this wine right now – it’s you’. Then she took me to get shwarma and home to bed. I mean my home and my bed, she went to her home and her bed, so don’t get wrong ideas. This, mate, can be you. Just wrap your head around a good trade that you can do. You’ve got the genes and the genes are everything!


        April 13, 2016 at 7:50 am

      • Don’t put yourself down, Lion. It can become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Check out the book “The 12 bad habits that hold good people back” by James Waldroop and “The Power of your Subconscious Mind” by Joseph Murphy. You’ll find the first book especially helpful.

        When you find yourself getting especially depressed, just look over some of your best entries on this blog and think to yourself “Damn, I’m good!”


        April 13, 2016 at 1:51 pm

      • Yakov, what is your trade? AC and heating? How long did it take you to get to the point where you could earn as you do?


        April 13, 2016 at 2:52 pm

      • I agree with Yakov..I’ve known some of the smarter trades guys and they made out really good. Plus they were independent enough to say FU when they didn’t like the job or the foreman or whatever. Usually they complained about the unions, and worked nonunion on the side, but when retirement came around the pension looked pretty damn good.

        They were the fun guys, and didn’t have all that status consciousness of the white collar crowd. Just have fun..

        Mrs Stitch

        April 13, 2016 at 3:00 pm

      • @Daniel

        8 years because I’m a slow learner who had started out with two left hands and I have a relatively low IQ and intelligence. In programing it also had taken me about this long to make over $120,000. I’m slow but I persevere, so it balances out. Also, I know that I have ADHD and dyslexia, so I’m careful and put in a lot of extra effort to compensate for my handicaps and problems. I think I’m totally awesome for my situation, though. I’m exceedingly great, because of where I’m coming from and I’m happy with my lot.


        April 13, 2016 at 6:34 pm

      • I agree with Yakov. W/o a job life will get depressing. Try to get into a field any field. Also I don’t a small town is a good place for a middle-aged single Jewish guy. Everyone there is married. You should be an area full women your age or younger. Try to move to Yorkville, I think HK puts off a lot of women.


        April 13, 2016 at 6:34 pm

      • @Daniel

        HVAC. I wish I could do more. Actually, after being in the field for 9 years, I’m ready for engineering school, just that at 56 it doesn’t make sense anymore. I want to learn more, though. Like I would like to know everything around this trade, especially the electrical field. You need to do all the experiments and trace the development of this science yourself, then you really get it. Electricity is totally awesome and never ceases to amaze me. You flip a switch and a compressor does its thing! Amazing! This is where my low IQ is advantageous – I never stop getting amazed by these things. A smart or a handy guy might get bored, but not me. Always striving for that perfect install, that perfect weld.

        I found my leaks and they were two bad flares! I was overconfident and thought my flares were a work of art, but nothing doing – they leaked! Pride comes before a fall, as usual. I’m humbled. It’s perfect now and holding 500 psi. I find copper a very noble metal because it’s so useful. More useful then gold, that’s for sure. Who needs gold when it’s 100 degrees and there is no AC? So copper is better. Aluminum is very good, but it’s an alloy, whereas copper is a pure element. One is man made, the other is G-d made. It’s like a cow and mule, what’s better overall? A cow.


        April 13, 2016 at 9:16 pm

    • Yakov should start a blog.

      Dave Pinsen

      April 13, 2016 at 8:02 pm

      • Absolutely. But I have to take issue with his characterization of himself as “low IQ.” Compared to who? MENSA members? If you read Lion’s blog you are by definition above-average in IQ. My guess is that I’m probably one of the lower-IQ people here. And of course here is where JS will pipe in and say that I’m actually high IQ for a guido!

        Incidentally, I had once tried to look up the meaning of MENSA. I mistakenly assumed it was an acronym. I couldn’t find it even when I looked at larger and longer lists of acronyms and abbreviations. Finally I learned that it was a word, not an acronym! It felt like a real “duh” moment. But at least I was aiming for self-improvement.


        April 13, 2016 at 11:04 pm

      • Why? His comments are the same throughout.

        Yakov’s comments are summed up in one sentence:

        Mates, proles are happy, because they take up trades that pay a living wage, and my Tajik and Bukhara chics give me good head.


        April 14, 2016 at 12:38 am

      • @JS

        Mate, I’m getting fatigued from telling you to pay attention when reading.


        April 14, 2016 at 7:10 am

      • @MaryK

        I use the expression ‘relatively low IQ’ and I compare myself to my family. Apples to apples. And I fell pretty far from the tree. Check this out:

        1. My dad did 3 years of theoretical physics at Moscow Institute of Physics and Mathematics before being expelled in a purge of Jews. He used to play chess against twenty opponents simultaneously. Could solve practically any crossword puzzle in Russian and English. He was a pretty good hand wrestler and a champion sharpshooter.

        2. His sister was an astrophysicist and a translator of scientific literature married to a Physics PHD.

        3. My mother’s brother was an ambulance driver and an auto mechanic, but he would beat my dad in chess.

        4. My cousin graduated Harvard and is an attorney in private practice.

        5. Two of my cousin’s graduated Moscow Institute of Electrical Engineering and are very successful.

        So, I think it’s very clear that I have a relatively low IQ and intelligence. I have a very long time orientation, though. That’s where I beat all these braniacs because I understand that the survival of the Jewish nation trumps everything else.

        I’m more like my dad’s dad, who’d fought in the Spanish Civil War. Yeah! Action, passion, fighting for an elusive dream, trying to achieve the impossible, because you just have to try. Just last night a dreamt of myself tilting at a tree and all the Jews shouting: ‘What are you doing? ‘. But I would not relent and kept attacking it with my lance.

        So here you have it: relatively low IQ and intelligence. It’s not a problem. You are who you are and no phony mumbo-jumbo or hair stylist is gonna change it.


        April 14, 2016 at 7:39 am

      • @Maryk

        Now that you know MENSA (sic) isn’t an “acronym [or] abbreviation” you shouldn’t write it in all caps.


        Two of my cousin’s graduated Moscow Institute of Electrical Engineering and are very successful.

        Improper use of apostrophes is a sign of low IQ.


        April 14, 2016 at 9:29 am

      • @ScarletNumber

        There are more errors in my comment. Let’s see if you can find them.


        April 14, 2016 at 10:05 am

  20. yeah come on lion, unlike australia which only has two world-class cities, the united states has almost unlimited living options. i doubt you have to live in new york or even close to it to be able to experience something similar to a new york life style. i would have moved if i were you, but i guess if you’re from around there it’s different a little.

    james n.s.w

    April 12, 2016 at 9:21 pm

  21. Do what Saul Goodman did; move to the SW and become a shady lawyer. DUI defense is easy.


    April 12, 2016 at 9:23 pm

    • I’ve encouraged Lion to take up law practice before, since he has the credentials. Criminal defense work is enjoyable and very easy, I suspect Lion is underestimating how easy it actually is….

      Ava Lon

      April 12, 2016 at 11:39 pm

      • Right, generally, every case is pled out. And anything too complicated is referred. But you got to get paid in full up front. Taking court-assigned cases probably pays the bills and keeps a solo third-tier lawyer busy too.

        E. Rekshun

        April 13, 2016 at 11:31 am

      • But does it give Lion meaning and purpose? He could get many jobs, he just doesn’t want to.


        April 14, 2016 at 8:50 am

  22. It’s a good idea generally to make judgements based on these non-PC variables — I mean, it worked very well for 538 for predicting primaries. However, in this case, there are A LOT of good places less than 2 hours away from NYC, A LOT. The area grows quadratically with the distance, so you’ll have plenty of spaces, which means a lot of competition, which means the prices will not go up because of NYC. So if you go there because you expect real estate to grow because of NYC, don’t. That’s a losing proposition. If you do there because you think that particular area will grow on its own, then that’s a good idea.

    Honesty, I don’t like places in NJ — they represent the worse of the worse: they are not NYC and they don’t really have nature (it’s more landfill crap); it’s just a combination of both, worst of both worlds kind of thing.


    April 12, 2016 at 9:24 pm

    • Joisey is a Guido Haven.


      April 13, 2016 at 2:05 am

    • ” which means the prices will not go up because of NYC”

      “they don’t really have nature (it’s more landfill crap); ”
      More nonsense.


      April 13, 2016 at 1:13 pm

  23. Morristown?


    April 12, 2016 at 9:31 pm

  24. Newer Walmart supercenters in upper-middle class suburbs are actually pretty decent and well-kept.

    Bilbo Baggins

    April 12, 2016 at 9:46 pm

    • Yep, the interesting thing about Walmart is that they are all somewhat different because the local managers have considerable discretion in what they stock. Two Walmarts in the same small city might be very different because they target different demographics. One will have grimy floors while the other will be sparkling clean.


      April 13, 2016 at 12:11 am

      • Walmarts here in Canada are usually pretty good.

        Samson J.

        April 13, 2016 at 8:42 pm

      • It’s funny how Montreal has SAQ, basically the Walmart of alcohol, found exclusively in the French Province that also sells Middle Eastern wines.

        Much of North America has independent, crappy, wino stores.

        NYC, being the parochial mecca of the world, doesn’t even carry wines from Algeria and Tunisia, unless it’s from a SWPL snob who was able to sneak them out from somewhere.


        April 14, 2016 at 12:59 am

  25. Redbank? Redbank is alright. But you should move to Brooklyn and cruise adorable 26 year old SJWs. You know the rap.


    April 12, 2016 at 9:57 pm

  26. There are plenty of comfortable places to live in NJ if you don’t mind driving, and you can save money by shopping at Walmart, but if you love NYC for the architecture, the crowds, the museums, watching ships on the river, the multitudes of pretty girls, and the sense of being at the center of the world, it can be depressing to live anywhere else.


    April 12, 2016 at 10:46 pm

    • Montreal or a Western European city trumps NYC anyday!


      April 13, 2016 at 1:39 pm

      • they have syrians refugees though


        April 14, 2016 at 12:04 am

      • And Middle Eastern wines are sold ubiquitously in Montreal.


        April 14, 2016 at 1:02 am

  27. I lived in central NJ for eleven years, in a suburb that was white prole when I arrived, but is now going under quite rapidly, and commuted to Newark by van pool, getting up at 5 AM for eleven years.

    I did this because I wanted to buy a house, and did in fact find a nice one with a great back yard. I did notice that once you cross from Somerset to Mercer County (except for anything with a Princeton address) the prices drop considerably, I think that is because that is the line of demarcation between the New York and Philadelphia spheres of influence.

    I also got badly reamed on the sale, as I barely got what I paid for it, and had practically nothing left to buy elsewhere. And then, there’s the matter of NJ property taxes, which are the highest in the country–on a statewide basis. There are, of course, yet higher taxes in some of the NY suburbs, particularly Nassau, Suffolk, and Westchester Counties, but you won’t find any bargains in NJ.

    If you can live anywhere, get out of NY/NJ/New England


    April 12, 2016 at 10:50 pm

    • I’m wondering about Arizona, except for the water issues. Also what about illegals? They tried to do something about it but the Feds disagreed, and we all know who won that one.

      What is the difference between living in Nevada and living in Arizona?


      April 13, 2016 at 1:15 pm

  28. Come back to Philadelphia Lion, rent is so much cheaper than in NYC. Pretty affordable for a major Northeast city.


    April 12, 2016 at 11:01 pm

    • Good point – amtrak/acela makes Philly access to NYC easily doable.


      April 13, 2016 at 6:37 am

    • What’s the real deal on Pittsburgh? Don’t laugh, I’ve heard it’s great.

      it also has a functioning, diverse Jewish community. Diverse meaning Reform, Conservative & Ortho.


      April 13, 2016 at 1:17 pm

      • I’m told the Squirrel Hill neighborhood is still somewhat Jewish, but changing.


        April 13, 2016 at 7:31 pm

  29. For once, Lion has stopped blogging about our political clowns running for office, so we can get back to our Prole Bashing Americana.

    NJ is prole, and the proliest region of the entire tri-state area.

    The main reason: Joisey Guidos are omnipresent.


    April 13, 2016 at 2:03 am

  30. I am not a NYC expert, but if you want to live way out in the country but still go to NYC every once in a while, aren’t the towns at the end of MetroNorth lines the same 90 minutes away, but you get to take a pleasant train not a dirty bus?

    There’s also New Hampshire, as tax and NAM free as it gets.

    I’d also wait for a huge check buying you out of your rental stabilized apartment before leaving.

    Retirement in NYC sounds better than working there. Plenty to do there during the day!

    If you go to SE Asia, you can get a pretty wife in her early 30’s easily and buy a condo for $50,000 rather than $150,000.


    April 13, 2016 at 3:04 am

    • No woman in SEA will ever be Catherine Rampell


      April 13, 2016 at 6:36 am

    • “aren’t the towns at the end of MetroNorth lines the same 90 minutes away, but you get to take a pleasant train not a dirty bus?”

      Yes, but they are (a) very expensive and (b) very very isolated. Have you ever been to Amenia? It’s a very isolated place full of rich people who love to collect antiques. No place for a single guy.

      That said there are some decent river towns closer to NYC, such as Tarrytown, Hastings, Dobbs Ferry, etc., that have a hippie feel, coffee shops, downtowns, etc. And yes, the train ride into NYC is quite nice. But the housing prices are quite high.


      April 13, 2016 at 1:20 pm

  31. I’d like to see a post on why you are considering leaving Manhattan. It’s hard to imagine you as a Jerseyite, but I’m sure you have your reasons.

    ice hole

    April 13, 2016 at 3:05 am

    • Take a walk on the Guido Side!

      NJ is 20% Italian.


      April 13, 2016 at 8:21 pm

  32. Look for a college town to settle in, is my advice.

    Here is the always useful Phil Greenspun, a fellow early retiree, with a more nuanced take:

    Also, take the opportunity to slice your blog into a couple of books. If you want to work for the forces of good, get a college admin job of some sort. Admissions, perhaps? Or infiltrate the Ford Foundation and spend their money on the right causes.


    April 13, 2016 at 3:46 am

    • Look for a college town to settle in, is my advice.

      Ten years after earning my MBA, I returned to Gainesville, FL to accept a good-paying finance job. At that time, rents and housing were relatively cheap. I had a blast and lived like a king! I sometimes regret leaving after a couple of years, and sometimes fantasize about moving back.

      E. Rekshun

      April 13, 2016 at 11:39 am

    • College towns are full of SJWs. The lamer the college, the lamer the SJWs.

      Mrs Stitch

      April 13, 2016 at 3:24 pm

      • If all else fails, look for a party school.


        April 13, 2016 at 6:29 pm

      • Lefty women are a mixed bag. A half-way decent looking guy who fakes sympathy for their positions, especially the feminist ones, is rarely hurting for companionship. And they tend to be uninhibited. A single guy like Lion, if he’s willing to be a fake, might find a SJW environment fertile ground.


        April 13, 2016 at 8:09 pm

  33. sounds like Hackettstown. Maybe you can get a job in the IT department of Mars Chocolate


    April 13, 2016 at 4:52 am

  34. Lion, once you are that far out from NYC, why don’t you just move to places like Boulder, Santa Fe, or Jackson Hole?


    April 13, 2016 at 6:35 am

  35. Lion, i got a pro tip, you should start reading up on statins, specialize in this, and get in front of what will be the biggest class action lawsuits in the history of the US, once it all unravels.

    Tens of millions of Americans still take statin drugs (to lower cholesterol levels) even tho the lipid hypothesis (that dietary fat causes heart disease) turned out to be pure bs.

    Read: Cholesterol Does Not Cause Heart Attacks

    It’s no longer even a “nutrient of concern”, cholesterol. Apparently “One expert noted that the widespread cholesterol warning, like much dietary advice, was “never supported by science.” Oopsie, no harm no foul right?

    I mean the “the so-called medical establishment is willfully and intentionally ignoring contrary evidence on the lipid hypothesis” to quote Karl Denninger, i can already smell the $$$, this will be bigger than smoking & cancer! I feel just like when i was advising relatives to mortgage everything and buy Google stocks…


    April 13, 2016 at 6:44 am

    • Statins do prevent heart attacks, but for reasons not having to do with lowering cholesterol.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      April 13, 2016 at 8:15 am

      • That’s what I’ve been reading as of late. Researchers are starting to think it has something to do with the anti-inflammatory effects of a statin, not the cholesterol-lowering effect.

        Statistically statins do reduce your chance of getting a second heart attack. But I agree, most people are unnecessarily taking them and suffering the side effects that go along with statins.


        April 13, 2016 at 9:24 am

      • If you can be sold on the benefits of a circumcision, you can be sold on the benefits of statins.


        April 13, 2016 at 5:17 pm

      • Yeah, my brother’s father-in-law, a very nice man, super successful in life (CEO of a major corporation for many years) , enjoying his retirement, early 60’s, decided to clean out the gutters on the one-story ranch part of his house. Slipped off the latter, fell no more than a few feet, landed in soft, loamy soil, struck his head, or didn’t strike his head, was dead 3 hours later from an unstoppable brain hemorrhage caused by the statins he was on. Statins kill. Stay away from them. Take an aspirin per day. You are better off. And aspirin is an anti-inflammatory.


        April 13, 2016 at 5:22 pm

      • CEO of a major corporation for many years…was dead 3 hours later from an unstoppable brain hemorrhage

        Bet the widow has remarried and she and the new husband are spending all the dead man’s money.

        E. Rekshun

        April 14, 2016 at 12:43 am

  36. Can you say what county it is located in? I’m guessing Sussex or Warren? Perhaps Hunterdon County, which is more upscale yet still rural compared to Warren.


    April 13, 2016 at 8:23 am

  37. Charles Murray on PBS. Surprised this hasn’t been passed around more:


    April 13, 2016 at 8:41 am

  38. Sorry Lion, but unless you’re moving to Princeton, living out in NJ is subpar.

    Come up to the Hudson Valley. Rhinebeck/Hudson/Woodstock/ColdSprings/Millerton are whitetopias with interesting hipsters, beautiful settings, great food, and a access to the Metro North or Amtrak.

    I’ll show you around up here.


    April 13, 2016 at 9:29 am

    • Seems you anticipated my comment – yes, these are lovely towns w/a nice ride to NYC, but aren’t housing prices sky high?


      April 13, 2016 at 1:22 pm

      • Millerton is very isolated. Woodstock is on the other side of the Hudson, not on a train route.


        April 13, 2016 at 1:22 pm

      • Millerton is isolated, I concede that, but very close to the last Metro North stop. Woodstock and Kingston are on the other side of the river, but a lot of people cross the Kingston bridge and take the Amtrak in.

        There are also the northern Westchester towns of Katonah, Yorktown Heights, etc., that would have affordable town homes and not an insane daily commute. I have colleagues who live in Beacon and take the express train in everyday (door-to-door, hour 40 minutes). They have to be disciplined about making their express trains every day, but the rent is cheap, and the town’s becoming nicer every year.

        What do you consider sky-high housing prices? Lion could pick up a cheaper house that needs some work for less than $200K. I don’t think he’s the kind of guy that wants to take care of a home seeing that he doesn’t even cook, but who knows? According to Yakov we shouldn’t know about our personal lives over social networks, so I guess I’ll never really know.


        April 14, 2016 at 10:09 am

      • Beacon is 20% black, that doesn’t sound so great.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        April 14, 2016 at 10:40 am

      • Personal lives is an obvious euphemism and it doesn’t refer to your real estate investments.


        April 14, 2016 at 11:47 am

    • Correct, there isn’t anything of interest in NJ for your typical Hipster/SWPL, perhaps with the exception of Hoboken and its upcoming neighbor, Joisey city, both backlogged about 20 years of NYC’s gentrification.


      April 13, 2016 at 4:22 pm

    • The most southerly portion of Cape May is perhaps the only place that resembles anything in the Hudson Valley, in upstate NY.


      April 13, 2016 at 4:26 pm

      • WTF? One’s a beach, the other is the mountains.


        April 13, 2016 at 7:58 pm

      • Downtown Cape May is the only place in Joisey, that remotely resembles a Hudson Valley town, with its shops and restaurants.


        April 13, 2016 at 8:14 pm

      • Stone Harbor/Avalon are very nice too and not too far from Cape May.


        April 13, 2016 at 8:48 pm

      • Yeah, but then Lion would be closer to Philly and would likely need to look for a job there. Trust me, don’t work or live near Philly.


        April 14, 2016 at 10:10 am

    • Get his ass to Le Canard Enchaine in Kingston.


      April 13, 2016 at 8:19 pm

  39. Curle

    April 13, 2016 at 11:32 am

  40. Yobs, yobs, yobs. Why do Britons but not Americans suffer from gang attacks by subhuman yobs?

    Mark Caplan

    April 13, 2016 at 12:44 pm

    • Residential segregation and lack of media reporting. America due to white flight and suburbs keeps highly crime prone people away from everyone else. Also America’s papers are far more tame than the UK’s and may not be reporting accurately.

      With the thoughts you'd be thinkin

      April 14, 2016 at 12:44 am

  41. Doesn’t Jersey have PATH trains that go into NYC? How far does the PATH line go out into Jersey? If you live near the PATH line, commuting to NYC wouldn’t be too bad.


    April 13, 2016 at 1:24 pm

    • The PATH train only goes into Hudson County and Newark.


      April 13, 2016 at 8:35 pm

      • Yeah, but it is 24/7/365.


        April 13, 2016 at 10:25 pm

      • What about the NJ Transit rail? Doesn’t it go from Penn Station in NYC to far out into Jersey?


        April 14, 2016 at 12:40 pm

  42. “It’s an hour and forty minute bus ride to the Port Authority in Manhattan…”

    If the East Coast had a high-speed rail system, the ride would have been less than 30 minutes. Let Trump build it; he is the only one who has the skills and the will to get something like this done. What possibilities!


    April 13, 2016 at 2:19 pm

    • Trump will drain the swamps and make the trains run on time!


      April 13, 2016 at 6:58 pm

    • As long as it stops in Richmond and y’all pay for it, that’s fine. But the Southern part of the East Coast doesn’t want more public transportation.


      April 13, 2016 at 9:47 pm

      • I assume you can drive a car, Camlost. God forbid you should suffer from an eye injury or something else that takes away your ability to drive: your opinion about mass transit would change instantly.


        April 14, 2016 at 1:19 am

  43. You could always go and work with Yakov and start enjoying life…might be fun. Yakov give Lion a job already, and maybe some of your joie-de-vivre will rub off on him.


    April 13, 2016 at 2:38 pm

    • They’re both jewish, so he’ll fit right in!


      April 13, 2016 at 7:54 pm

  44. Lion, I got here late in the discussion but see that Seattle got some hype. While I choose to live here, if I were to move anywhere in this state, I’d move to Walla Walla, excellent small college, great wine country, lots of interesting people.


    April 13, 2016 at 5:04 pm

  45. You are depressed, you need a job and a girl. Changing places is not a solution, it is an escape. Find a job where you have to leave the house 3 times a week and make friends.


    April 13, 2016 at 6:08 pm

  46. NYC is the most sci-ifi city. Too bad you’re moving.


    April 13, 2016 at 8:45 pm

  47. Good luck with the move.


    April 13, 2016 at 11:15 pm

  48. The last whitopia today is Poland. Probably the whitest major country on earth. Even alt-right favorites like Hungary and Slovakia have signifcant Gypsy populations. Not in Poland. The biggest immigrant group here is Ukrainains. And being Jewish is actually an exotic advantage in major cities if you’re trying to meet women (although don’t advertise your Jewishness in small towns). Come soon though, because it probably won’t last much longer.

    Peter Akuleyev

    April 14, 2016 at 9:25 am

    • It’s white mostly because the wages are one fourth of what they are across the river in Germany. The incentives are clear, both for potential immigrants and for young Poles who continue to emigrate en masse.


      April 14, 2016 at 2:51 pm

  49. Move to Berlin. It’s cheap.


    April 14, 2016 at 10:16 am

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