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NY Times op-ed says don’t diet

NY Times op-ed, written by Sandra Aamodt, a neuroscientist, advises you not to diet, because research shows that dieting to lose weight results in people being fatter later in life. There was identical twin research involved, which is the gold standard for this type of research. “A single diet increased the odds of becoming overweight by a factor of two in men and three in women.”

So it’s much better for your long-term health (as well as your long-term appearance) to accept your natural body-weight rather than diet to be thinner.

The article did not talk about any research showing what happens when people try to become heavier by eating more.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

May 7, 2016 at 12:40 pm

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  1. She’s paper bag material. And some of those comments tear her a new one.


    May 7, 2016 at 12:53 pm

    • It’s not her fault that she was born with below-average looks, although I’ve seen a lot uglier.

      The comments come from the same place as comments that deny the truth of HBD when it concerns race or IQ.

      It’s no longer socially acceptable to hate people because they are black, Muslim, or gay, but it’s OK to hate fat people because we have convinced ourselves that it’s their own damn fault. In reality, Muslims can just stop being Muslim if they want to, and black people could stop acting ghetto, but there’s no scientific evidence that fat people can just stop being fat.

      • What, they’re all forced to drink soda and eat products loaded with corn syrup?


        May 7, 2016 at 1:44 pm

      • Wrong. A low-carb diet = weight loss. Fat is accumulated when blood sugar is high, causing insulin release, which magically converts sugar to fat (see wikipedia for the sciency explanation). You can gorge yourself silly on protein, fat, and fiber and you will stay slim; or muscly, if you hit the iron.

        The hard part is that carbs are cheap and abundant, but protein’s expensive. Also, carbs give you instant energy and are comforting. Atkins diet is almost impossible because it makes you feel so sluggish and depressed; I’ve tried it — it’s miserable.

        Stop making excuses for your lack of success with the opposite sex, fatties. Go low-carb or go incel.


        May 7, 2016 at 2:28 pm

      • Do you hate criminals? That’s also genetic, should we not judge them? If you’re physically capable to stopping yourself, then we judge. And that makes sense, because that creates incentives for people to behave better.

        Genetic determinism shouldn’t lead you to say never judge people. It means that we need super tough incentives for people to overcome their natures.

        IQ is different, because if you put a gun to someone’s head with a 95 IQ and said “learn physics” they wouldn’t be able to do it. But if you put a gun to a drug addict or fatties’ head, they would change their behavior. It’s not comparable.


        May 7, 2016 at 4:23 pm

      • I don’t hate or judge criminals. In fact, I would make it illegal to use someone’s criminal record against them in hiring.


        May 7, 2016 at 6:31 pm

      • [The hard part is that carbs are cheap and abundant, but protein’s expensive. Also, carbs give you instant energy and are comforting. Atkins diet is almost impossible because it makes you feel so sluggish and depressed; I’ve tried it — it’s miserable.]

        I’ve been eating low carb due to type 2 diabetes for a couple years now. Chicken can be found for 88 cents a pound; eggs and frozen veggies are cheap. Huge lamb legs are $25 at costco and make at least 10 servings. It doesn’t have to be expensive. Bacon yields 1/2 grease per pound which you can then use to cook other stuff (after eating the non kosher bacon… mmmm).

        That all being said… I haven’t eaten any sugar in 2 1/2 years and I really don’t feel any different. I sleep a little better but that’s it. I’m not sure carbs are so bad for you, if you’re not type 2. In fact, as you say, they are a quick source of energy, as the body will burn carbs before anything else (except alcohol).

        I did lose a lot of weight despite being normal weight to begin with. I’m now underweight, and contrary to this article it has stayed off.

        Anyway, as for the article, it’s written by a woman trying to sell her book. And what does the book claim but what most of humanity wants to hear? Eat as much as you want and stop worrying. Brilliant marketing scheme.


        May 7, 2016 at 7:17 pm

      • @hardbf has proven himself to be a dunce many times. This is another.

        “Fat is accumulated when blood sugar is high, causing insulin release, which magically converts sugar to fat (see wikipedia for the sciency explanation). ”

        Not even wrong, but definitively disproven:


        May 7, 2016 at 8:36 pm

      • Atkins diet is almost impossible because it makes you feel so sluggish and depressed; I’ve tried it — it’s miserable.

        Atkins, or whatever version of low-carb one is on, is sustainable if after you’ve reached your target weight you go back up to 50-80 carbs a day.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        May 7, 2016 at 9:23 pm

  2. What this article should really be talking about — and what the most important implication of these studies realy is — is the profound importance of feeding one’s children heathily and with appropriate portions, especially before the age of 5, but really up until puberty to ensure a favorable body-fat setpoint.

    instead of talking about that, though, the author seems to just want to give lindy west and the like more fuel to their rationalization and self-promotion of their repelling appearance.


    May 7, 2016 at 1:27 pm

  3. I wonder if low-carb diets have a similar effect…since you aren’t lowering caloric intake with a low-carb diet.


    May 7, 2016 at 1:29 pm

    • No, they don’t. You can eat aaaalllll the fat and protein you want, and you will stay at a good, healthy weight.

      GROSS-OUT ALERT: it’s about to get real all up in here! Whenever I’ve gorged myself on fat and protein, I’ve had (in relatively short order) a big, sloppy, greazy bowel movement. I think the body can produce only a limited amount of the enzymes that break down proteins into amino acids and the small intestine is limited (probably by surface area) in its ability to absorb fat, so anything in excess of that gets shat out the backdoor.


      May 7, 2016 at 2:33 pm

      • That is my only gripe with low carb/paleo eating. My ass turns into a geyser. If not in immediate proximity to a toilet after low carb meals I’m in deep doo doo.


        May 7, 2016 at 4:29 pm

      • Sounds like you need more fiber.

        Panther of the Blogocube

        May 7, 2016 at 5:40 pm

      • My problem with low carb was constipation…go figure..

        Mrs Stitch

        May 8, 2016 at 10:21 am

      • That seems more likely, because constipation is the result of not eating enough roughage/fiber.

  4. NYT logic,

    Extreme discrepancy in life outcome between the races? It’s culture.

    Obese or overweight? It’s genetic.

    Never mind only 50 years ago very few people were obese and that in almost every other first-world country besides the UK there is not as much problem with weight. Maybe it’s an Anglo thing to be fat and jolly?

    Chris P

    May 7, 2016 at 1:56 pm

    • Um, NYT logic has never been that discrepancies in outcomes between races is culture. NYT logic [sic] is that discrepancies between races is evil racism when Whites do better than browns, but is genetic when browns do better than Whites.

      The idea that culture is responsible for White superiority and black inferiority is Cuckservatism as espoused by El Rushbo, Glen Beck, Mark Levine, Laura Ingram, and all the other truecon carnival barkers.


      May 7, 2016 at 2:39 pm

  5. So what’s a ‘diet’?
    There appears to be a lot of uncertainty about this word. I would never consider myself to have been ‘on a diet’ but I have permanently changed my eating habits and therefore lost weight. Anyone who is going to change their eating habits on a temporary basis (‘diet’) and then expect to resume their normal eating behavior is going to find themselves regaining weight, though. This much should be obvious.

    Panther of the Blogocube

    May 7, 2016 at 2:29 pm

  6. Diets are stupid because it’s mostly people making temporary lifestyle changes with the hope that they’ll look better forever.

    You can’t have a temporary diet, it needs to be a lifestyle change, you need to physically consume less as a lifestyle change, whatever gets you there do it.

    Sick of seeing fat fucks.


    May 7, 2016 at 2:40 pm

    • So poke your eyes out


      May 7, 2016 at 6:41 pm

  7. There’s only been one major experiment on overfeeding, the Ethan Sims prison experiment.

    Prisoners at 6,000 calories per day and didn’t increase in weight more than 12% over 3-5 months.

    Weight is complicated, there’s a lot of biological signalling going on.


    May 7, 2016 at 3:19 pm

    • Wrong. Google “George Bray” and overfeeding. I don’t have time to put up a link. He found that duh, overfeeding produces weight gain, but in different ways depending on protein content. If you overeat a heavy protein diet you’ll gain fat and muscle. If you overeat a heavy carb diet you’ll lose muscle and gain fat.


      May 7, 2016 at 8:38 pm

  8. “Some experts argue that instead of dieting leading to long-term weight gain, the relationship goes in the other direction: People who are genetically prone to gain weight are more likely to diet. To test this idea, in a 2012 study, researchers followed over 4,000 twins aged 16 to 25. Dieters were more likely to gain weight than their non-dieting identical twins, suggesting that dieting does indeed increase weight gain even after accounting for genetic background. ”

    This is BS. Even if they were identical twins, there was something that caused one twin to diet and the other not to. Might that have been weight gain? Identical twins have the same genes, but they don’t turn out 100% the same. So it could be that the twins who get fatter are more likely to diet, not that they got fat because they dieted.

    The only way this would work is if to randomly have one twin diet and the other not.


    May 7, 2016 at 4:20 pm

  9. I think when you study the long term effects of dieting, you need to distinguish between (1) the sort of ridiculous unsustainable crash diets some people try (for example liquid diets) and; (2) more conservative, sustainable, lifestyle type diets, for example cutting down on sugary drinks and junk food.

    I can accept the possibility that diets in the first category result in long-term weight gain but I have a hard time believing that diets in the second category are harmful, even if you fall off of them.

    I also agree with Hepp that the twin study doesn’t say much. If you have a twin who gains more weight than his brother (or her sister), then you already know something is different between the two of them. The difference could be that one decided to diet while the other didn’t; it could also be that one had a stronger tendency to overeat and gain weight which what made him decide to diet in the first place. There’s really no way to know without assigning the twins at random to “diet” and “no diet” categories.


    May 7, 2016 at 7:04 pm

    • “the sort of ridiculous unsustainable crash diets some people try (for example liquid diets) and; (2) more conservative, sustainable, lifestyle type diets, for example cutting down on sugary drinks and junk food.”

      Good point. My problem was simply that I was eating huge portions so I cut portion size. I lost weight. 2 problems solved with one stone.

      Lion, what do you think about the Muslim mayor of London?


      May 7, 2016 at 9:43 pm

  10. This is nonsense. What you eat, and more importantly HOW MUCH you eat, is very important to any individual’s weight and health.

    Eat less, exercise more always makes a difference.

    I agree that each person should accept his/her body type. An ectomorph shouldn’t be stressing about trying to bench 200 pounds. People should go with their body type’s strengths.


    May 7, 2016 at 8:54 pm

  11. Not far from my house in Moscow we had a small army base. We kids used to go their sometimes to talk to soldiers. I don’t remember seeing one overweight soldier. I don’t beleive there was one overweight inmate in the Gulag either. People have different metabolism so they probably got in shape at slightly different pace, but at the end nobody was overweight.

    The article misses the point. Lion stop looking for excuses and slicing baloney. It’s very simple. Instead of watching TV and reading NYT take a back pack, load it with 30-40lb in the beginning and go walk briskly around the park for 2-3 hours. You can eat normally, no fressing though, and you should lose weight. Just read the ‘Sea Wolf’ for motivation.


    May 7, 2016 at 9:32 pm

    • Lion always looking for excuses for being fat
      Calories restriction never worked at all
      As people already told: high protein/mid fat/low carb intake plus hitting iron will be enough


      May 8, 2016 at 7:34 am

      • Depends what calories restrictions. For example, when I was like 12 I brought a cat home. My parents wouldn’t give me money to feed it, so I would share my food with the cat. But this cat was very cunning and only wanted fish, chicken and meat. It wouldn’t have cabbage, potatoes, carrots or compote. No way! After three weeks I threw it out – it was either the cat or me. I needed the protein for boxing. So if Lion gets a cat or two or maybe three to share his food with, he is going to see positive results. Worth giving it a try: feeding cats(s) and walking should do it.


        May 8, 2016 at 6:03 pm

    • Knew a fat kid who got drafted during vietnam war, lost a lot of weight in basic but it was so hard on him he whined and carried on until he got a discharge. Then he got fatter again and whined how he missed that part of being in the army…true story.

      actually I think it’s the hassling by other guys that hurts more than the exercise.

      Mrs Stitch

      May 8, 2016 at 10:27 am

      • ‘The Sea Wolf’ should be mandatory reading. People have no clue.


        May 8, 2016 at 10:53 am

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