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Trump and foul language

There’s a Washington Post op-ed bemoaning how horrible it is that Trump uses foul language, like “pain in the ass” (which I personally don’t think it really all that foul).

Lyndon B. Johnson was a lot worse, and no one seemed to care, at least not liberals. The media simply didn’t report on it back then. Harry Truman, a low-class non-college graduate, also used a lot of foul language and no one seems to care that much.

It’s hypocritical to say that the country can’t possibly survive a foul-mouthed president when in fact the country survived Truman and Johnson.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

May 8, 2016 at 6:20 pm

Posted in Politics

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  1. A bigger example of hypocrisy is former McCain voters claiming they’re worried about Trump having the nuclear codes.

    Dave Pinsen

    May 8, 2016 at 6:23 pm

  2. Ooof. That’s exactly why he’s winning and why the establishment hates him so bad. He speaks the way regular humans do and not processed, pre-vetted, political speak.

    His popularity is devastating a vast number of political hack’s careers. George Will is going to have a heart attack soon, no doubt.


    May 8, 2016 at 6:25 pm

  3. I think the foul language and the clown demeanor is a big part of why the TruCon’s hate him so much.

    Otis the Sweaty

    May 8, 2016 at 6:27 pm

    • I think the foul language and the clown demeanor is a big part of why the TruCon’s hate him so much.

      Plus, three marriages, lots of model girlfriends/dates, doesn’t care about gays/trannies, thinks abortion should be legal but rare, etc.

      He’s not some White beta male, goofball, “nice guy”.

      He’s Dangerous Donald Trump.


      May 9, 2016 at 12:02 am

      • Trump is pro-life, with the standard exceptions.

        Andrew E.

        May 9, 2016 at 12:32 am

      • Trump is the Russian nesting doll of things to disdain. You can include donating large sums of money to Democrats, generally coarsening the culture, his absurd sense of “style”, not actually being a Republican, his family running a prostitution ring, his ditzy euro trash wife, his fake “self funding”, Diamond and Silk, and his scammy products that assume the consumers are as dumb as his voters. And calling his kid Barron.

        My pet reason to dislike him is that he is running for President claiming to be competent but never bothering to find out any of the information necessary or to hire anyone might possibly know anything. And then loudly complain that people who do bother to know subjects and rules are “cheating”.

        One upside of his existence would be if there is now the political will to get ridiculous tax payer rip off of Federal matching funds.

        Lion of the Turambar

        May 9, 2016 at 5:33 pm

  4. Regardless of his swearing, I’m not a big fan of his speaking style. I can’t completely articulate it, but I think it’s a mix of his extreme self-confidence and his shooting from the hip that highlights his lack of knowledge of his own policy:

    Personally I don’t think so. I personally don’t think so. Look. I have great relationships with South Korea. I have buildings in South Korea.


    Well I know China very well, because I deal with China all the time. I’ve done very well. China’s unbelievably ambitious. China is, uh… I mean, when I deal with China, you know, I have the Bank of America building, I’ve done some great deals with China. I do deals with them all the time on, you know, selling apartments, and, you know, people say ‘oh that’s not the same thing.’ The level of… uh, the largest bank in the world, 400 million customers, is a tenant of mine in New York, in Manhattan. The biggest bank in China. The biggest bank in the world.

    *An example of that is his immigration comments at a Republican debate

    Average Man

    May 8, 2016 at 7:19 pm

    • I’m sure Trump had a blast chatting with those schmucks.


      May 8, 2016 at 9:32 pm

  5. Thinking more about it. Doesn’t low-class behavior like threatening to beat people show a like of gravitas? That was one of your big complaints about Palin.

    Average Man

    May 8, 2016 at 7:38 pm

    • I wish people would learn what gravitas is. Swearing doesn’t show a lack of gravitas. Nor does threatening to beat people. Trump has gravitas in spades.


      May 8, 2016 at 10:05 pm

      • his appeal to proles makes him unsuitable for the job


        May 13, 2016 at 6:37 pm

      • (eyeroll) Proles vote. That has always been true. Get over it.

        There is a much better case that Hillary, Obama, and pretty much every other Democrat are unsuitable for the job because they appeal to blacks and other low-IQ minorities. This is worse than appealing to prole whites for many reasons, including the fact it is possible to import lots more stupid blacks and Hispanics but not possible to import more prole whites. In any event there is no point in bitching about this fact of life.


        May 13, 2016 at 7:36 pm

  6. I have also noticed that WaPo op-ed commentators can be hypocritical!


    May 8, 2016 at 7:45 pm

  7. No Presidential swearing in public.

    No f-bombs at all.

    Trump on the other hand…


    May 8, 2016 at 8:20 pm

  8. They are lying sacks of shit. Sorry for the foul language.

    Stories about Bill Clinton’s golf games with Vernon Jordan are legion in DC. What did they talk about? “Pussy.” That was a quote I read in some mainstream newspaper, I forget which. No one criticized Clinton. It was considered part of his appeal.

    This is nothing. They are trying everything to bring him down, and nothing is working.


    May 8, 2016 at 8:32 pm

    • Jordan said that, not Clinton.

      West Coast IA

      May 8, 2016 at 10:41 pm

      • You miss my point. THEY discussed “pussy.” This was in an article in a major newspaper. (I forget which.) It elicited zero fucks given on the part of the major media. While Trump says PITA, and somehow this is unacceptable?


        May 9, 2016 at 9:42 am

  9. Lion I think you know that what the anti-Trumpers are referring to is a president who swears in public. We all know that most people curse at least somewhat in private. But behaving this way in public is lowering public discourse, and setting a bad example for young people. Lyndon Johnson and Harry Truman didn’t do this in public. There’s a difference. Or are you arguing for a 1960’s style “authenticity” that totally discounts public morals? At the risk of annoying you, I’ll say that I think you’re being disingenuous here. Why not just admit that Trump is vulgar but say that the good things about him outweigh the bad?


    May 8, 2016 at 8:38 pm

    • Lion I think you know that what the anti-Trumpers are referring to is a president who swears in public

      When you find yourself on the same side of an issue as DANA MILBANK, it is time to reconsider your position.

      I would say that the ongoing invasion of our once beautiful country by 10s of millions of 3rd worlders is a slightly bigger problem than Trump’s boorishness.

      Otis the Sweaty

      May 8, 2016 at 9:13 pm

      • Actually, when you find yourself on the same side of an issue as Dana Milbank, it is time to accept the fact that life involves little ironies like this. Everyone is a mixture of conservative and liberal impulses. And there are also times when on a particular issue, you think “the opposition” makes sense – and your own side doesn’t. Also, there are times when it makes sense for tactical reasons to lose one election so that you can have a meaningful win in the future.


        May 9, 2016 at 9:10 am

      • Otis, don’t bother. TruCons are numerically illiterate. They will continue playing their games while Rome burns. They don’t even realize there is less than one election cycle left till the medical system blows a shotgun sized hole through the federal budget. Little things like numbers have never mattered to emotional hand wringers. I’m sure it’ll all fix itself when their annointed leader Of the moment argues his way out of financial deficits among other numerical facts. Clown world indeed.


        May 9, 2016 at 7:59 pm

    • Lowering public discourse and public morals? ROFLMAO! Public discourse and public morals in this country are already in the sewer. Every form of vice and degeneracy is openly discussed and celebrated as merely a different lifestyle choice. The stupid TruCons who can’t even keep sexual deviates out of women’s bathrooms can go ahead and oppose a “vulgar” President who sometimes uses lightweight swear words, but that will just make them seem even more stupid and ineffective than they already are.

      Joe Biden has already said bullshit, fucking, shit, and bitch in public. But you’re going to whine about Trump?


      May 8, 2016 at 10:03 pm

      • So we need to make things even worse in this regard? I don’t know why people always assume things are as bad as they can be. I’ve learned in my 55 years that things can ALWAYS get worse. And they usually do if you don’t use logic and reason. As to the “sexual deviates in women’s bathrooms,” socons warned of this 40 years ago when ERA was being discussed. We were told that the idea was so preposterous that no one would take us seriously if we spoke about it. And exactly what we feared came to pass – even without ERA.

        Both you and Otis are setting up a false dichotomy. It isn’t whether or not stopping illegal immigration is more important than whatever damage Trump will do to public morals ( it is.) It’s that we don’t have to choose. We can have a closed borders decent president. Trump just isn’t that person. And I don’t believe that Trump will do anything about building a wall or preventing illegals from coming here. I’m judging him by his history – which indicates that he’s a socially liberal Rockefeller Republican who is using the trade and borders issue to win an election. The silent majority needs to take responsibility for it’s life and its politics and not wait for a vulgar “strongman” to save it. A Trump presidency would be teaching them the wrong lesson.


        May 9, 2016 at 9:07 am

      • ” We can have a closed borders decent president.”

        No, you can’t have that person, he or she isn’t running.

      • *sigh* I’ve heard a couple media types lately saying “Pat Buchanan won … 20 years later”. Now, Buchanan, there was a class act. Maybe it’s not a coincidence that he couldn’t seal the deal: a presidential campaign is no place for a respectable person to hang out, at least not when the media assumes you’re a villain.

        I’d be very gratified to see old Pat as the VP candidate, if his health is up to it (I caught 30 seconds of the McLaughlin group the other day, and I gotta say, Buchanan looked like Dennis the Menace compared to these other withered stumps of time. Not saying much). P.S. One of the 538 pundits predicted Jeff Sessions. There was also some buzz from them for Jim Webb, although that seemed less well-thought-out in my opinion.

        Greg Pandatshang

        May 9, 2016 at 11:25 am

      • Trump is not going to damage morals and culture.

        I reject the premise that Trump is “vulgar” and “indecent”.

        But even if you accept it:

        vulgar closed borders President (Trump) >>> “decent” open borders President (Dubya, Jeb) > vulgar open borders President (Hillary)

        As you know the choice is going to be Trump or Hillary. If it were Jeb vs Hillary I could completely understand not caring about the outcome. But if you prefer Hillary over Trump then you are truly beyond “logic and reason”.

        The silent majority is going to take responsibility for its politics BY ELECTING TRUMP.


        May 9, 2016 at 12:49 pm

      • Totally right. How do we fire these scumbags? How do we expunge them from our national life?


        May 9, 2016 at 1:50 pm

      • “We can have a closed borders decent president”

        But we didn’t. Politics is the art of the possible.


        May 9, 2016 at 1:51 pm

      • Actually that person was running. His name was Ben Carson. To quote the good doctor on The View, “I played nice and look how far that got me.” The TruCons remind me of the PUA types who constantly wish for their gurus to be pulling threesomes while also settling down and having 3 kids and a house in the suburbs. So… you know… they, like, have someone who lived the whole lifestyle to emulate with the Hugh Hefner phase and the daddy daycare phase. Or the women who want everything, kids, career, and husband. Anyone that doesn’t understand how the real world functions and will always be about compromising for the best possible outcome never grew past their five year old selves.

        It’s not 1950 anymore and it won’t be for a while. Not until the current mess is cleaned up by the short fingered vulgarians. Then the long slender fingered genteel gentlementarians can come in and resume sipping their tea while debating the finer points of the marginal tax rate. To be fair it was your own damn fault for playing nice against a ruthless and evil enemy. You have no one, but yourselves to blame, but you’ll be screaming about not wanting to get dirty and roll in the mud right up until you are being mowed down by marauding enemies. Nothing wakes up the nihilist idiots of the right no more than you can wake up the nihilist idiots of the left. Two sides of the same spineless, lifeless coin.


        May 10, 2016 at 12:15 am

    • Wrong. Truman was vulgar in public, the newsmen of the time (they were mostly men) didn’t report on it.


      May 9, 2016 at 9:44 am

  10. The media uses foul language all the time. Whatevz.


    May 8, 2016 at 9:08 pm

  11. Foul language is disgusting, but in Trump’s case it doesn’t matter, the wall matters. Nothing else matters.


    May 8, 2016 at 9:25 pm

  12. “in fact the country survived Truman and Johnson”

    I’d say the jury is still out on whether our country has survived Johnson.


    May 8, 2016 at 9:37 pm

  13. Trump channeling Walt Whitman, in case you missed it:


    May 8, 2016 at 10:00 pm

  14. Or Nixon.

    Gilbert Ratchet

    May 8, 2016 at 10:21 pm

  15. If your kids are old enough to starve, then they are old enough to hear Trump swear.


    May 8, 2016 at 10:22 pm

  16. Hillary Clinton is said to have an extremely foul mouth. If the race this fall becomes really heated, I would bet almost any amount of money that she’s the one who will drop an”F bomb,” in public, not Trump. Of course, the MSM will try to cover up for her, but their ability to do that is not what it used to be.

    Sgt. Joe Friday

    May 8, 2016 at 11:28 pm

  17. It’s hypocritical for liberals to say that the country can’t possibly survive a foul-mouthed president when liberals have vociferously defended and pushed the use of foul language and behaviour in the realms of pop culture, and political and social agitprop, that is ofcourse as long as it is carried out by members of a protected species of demographics.


    May 9, 2016 at 12:16 am

  18. Obama:

    “I don’t sit around talking to experts because this is a college seminar,” Obama continued. “We talk to these folks because they potentially have the best answers, so I know whose ass to kick.”


    “You did it,” Biden told his boss. “It’s a big f—ing deal.”

    In response, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs tweeted: “And yes Mr. Vice President, you’re right…”


    May 9, 2016 at 1:35 am

  19. Trump is an extreme, but potent example of the power of a FREE MAN.

    It is his money which allows him to be free and to say the truth. Make no mistake that money is, was, and always will be the true power which forces peoples’ hands and tongues.

    All the rest of us who have to work for others for a living are not free. We cannot say what we really believe or do what we really want to do. If you cannot call your boss a stupid asshole then you are not free.

    Another reason for a BGI in a theoretically civilized society. It’s the only way to have an uncoerced economic market and an uncoerced market of free people.


    May 9, 2016 at 1:36 am

  20. OT but I thought you guys would like this. The Stupid Christians are feeling very depressed by Trump’s imminent victory.


    May 9, 2016 at 1:38 am

    • The stupid Christians are being really stupid. Trump will do more for evangelical Christians than any president since the sexual revolution. He will appoint as many as 5 Scalia/Thomas-like judges to SCOTUS. He will defund Planned Parenthood at the federal level if they don’t give up the abortion business. He will get Congress to overturn the IRS tax exemption for churches such that churches are tax exempt by their nature (like the Mormon church) rather than being granted tax exemption by the government. He will instruct his Justice Department to tell any pro-trans lobbies who cry for civil rights prosecutions against any states that pass gender-normative legislation to go pound sand. I can even see him working to reform family courts to the extent a president and congress can to strengthen fatherhood. Here cares about these things because he cares about his evangelical supporters.

      Andrew E.

      May 9, 2016 at 9:56 am

      • I wish I could up-vote this comment a thousand times. DJT is a doer not a talker. He will bullycide every single policy through like hasn’t been seen since the days of LBJ. DJT is the LBJ of the right (really LBJ was a right wing Machiavellian, but was unfortunately focused on short term returns for himself rather than his country).


        May 10, 2016 at 12:36 am

  21. Yeah yeah, sure sure. Trump is unspeakably vulgar, but Amy Schumer and those filthy women from “Broad City” are feminist and media heroes, amirite? Trump is crass but Lena Dunham showing her floppy boobs on TV every week is the height of serious television ground-breaking, amirite?

    You could go on with these examples forever. The media and pundit class fall all over themselves to praise the latest piece of vile crap pretending to be grand art or entertainment, yet they mutter “oh, shameful! shameful!” about Trump like they were Victorian ladies in need of smelling salts.

    F them.


    May 9, 2016 at 9:46 am

  22. The hypocrisy is stunning, so what else is new?

    Some hack comedian – forgot his name and I can’t be arsed to look it up – used the “N Word” at the recent White House Correspondent’s Dinner to describe Obama, as in “Ma N***a.”

    I won’t use the whole word, because it really is dirty, and this is Lion’s blog.

    “Controversy” ensued. My ass. There was no controversy. It was your basic, “I’m black and I can say anything,” that has become SOP during the Obama regency. So a black comedian is allowed to say the dirtiest word in the American lexicon, and get away with it, while Trump uses a colloquialism and gets called on it.

    We need a revolution, NOW.


    May 9, 2016 at 9:46 am

  23. On a related note, several years ago when my daughter was a teenager she had developed a habit of resorting to profanity when talking about the most minor irritants of daily life. I said to her, “look, I’m no stranger to salty language myself, but what word are you going to reach for when you really want to shock somebody, make them sit up and take notice?” She couldn’t tell me. In a way it’s like the crowd that calls everybody and everything “racist,” the words lose their impact.

    Sgt. Joe Friday

    May 9, 2016 at 12:14 pm

  24. A black female rapper has caused a stir by endorsing trump and slamming hilary Clinton. I’d recommend reading her various tweets, as she calls out liberal intolerance. One of the things she likes about trump is that he seems to talks in a genuine manner unlike hillary.


    May 9, 2016 at 5:33 pm

    • Is it a surprise to anyone on this blog that the GOPe saw their prole constituents, as expendable objects, only good for votes, in a similar fashion, that many higher up liberals think of the average black on the street?

      Otty the Sweaty Otter has been telling us all, that Trump is here to reveal the true nature of the GOPe and their phoniness, once and for all, after disguising themselves as benevolent saviors, for years, to its prole supporters.

      Whether Trump promises his megalomaniac visions of a better ‘Merica is yet to be determined, that is if he gets elected!!!


      May 10, 2016 at 11:36 am

    • That same Azealia Banks chick caused an uproar a few months ago by attacking Sarah Palin with some pretty vile comments. There aren’t too many in Trump’s target demographic that don’t also like Palin (Lion being one of the exceptions).


      May 11, 2016 at 4:44 am

  25. Our popular culture is filth (to paraphrase John Derbyshire). Everything is debased. Donald Trump is a paragon of virtue compared to the people we’re constantly exposed to in the media and daily life. Trump’s behavior is pure as snow compared to what kids see on primetime television or hear at school.


    May 9, 2016 at 6:28 pm

  26. Romney didn’t curse… and also didn’t win


    May 9, 2016 at 9:34 pm

  27. This election has revealed one thing and made it crystal clear. People are afraid of any kind of real change. Even the TruCons. Why? Change is scary. Change may actually involve growing up and standing up for oneself. They’d rather just keep the status quo and complain about some ambiguous daddy government power keeping them down than actually vote to make meaningful and positive (for them) reforms to the government as it exists today. TruCon types are often caught referring to alt-righters and various other groups as children. Me thinks they are just projecting their own fears onto others. This nihilistic archetype endlessly litters the comments of alternative news websites such as ZeroHedge, Lion, and all the other blogs that live in this part of the internet. A sad and pathetic bunch of basement dwelling keyboard jockeys. These weaklings would not last 30 seconds doing something where actual results mattered and did not depend on some cookie cutter rinse and repeat formula.

    The term TruCon is inaccurate. It’s really a lose coalition of Cruzbots, hardcore evangelicals who were Republicans for ~30 years, but were Democrats before that, and various establishment consultant type bottom feeders who have made their fortunes off of “running campaigns”. When campaigns compete on empty promises and arguments over whether the accelerometer should be at 50.1 or 49.9 marketing is what wins. These glorified marketing consultants fear the day someone with some actual substance comes along and offers the people the ability to competently do their job. That day is here and they will soon find themselves under a freeway underpass being spat on by the very people they declared obsolete and in need of “adaptation”. Oh the irony. Those who bark the loudest about adaptation are usually the least adaptable.



    May 10, 2016 at 12:35 am

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