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Latest national Gravis poll good news for Trump

Poll results.

Clinton 51
Trump 49

When given the option to choose “Other,” the results were:

Clinton 48
Trump 46
Other 5

Trump is only two points behind Clinton when voters are forced to make a choice. The myth that Trump will lose to Clinton because he is massively behind in the polls is now shown to be false. Based on this poll and the recent swing-states poll, it’s clear that Clinton’s polling lead vs Trump has evaporated. Additionally, the rolling Reuters poll also shows that Trump has caught up to Clinton.

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It’s also interesting to note that the 55% of respondents consider themselves to be pro-choice and only 35% say they are pro-life. Being pro-choice is the winning position, especially considering that many of those pro-life people are blacks and Hispanics who will never vote Republican anyway. Trump needs to pivot to the center on abortion now that he has wrapped up the nomination.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

May 13, 2016 at 9:21 am

Posted in Politics

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  1. Abortion is like gun control. The majority may be on the left wing side, but those on the right are one issue voters.

    Interesting that all these polls are all registered voters. Republicans usually get a bump when you poll likely voters only.


    May 13, 2016 at 9:24 am

    • No one on either side cares about abortion or guns this election because they know Trump isn’t going to move the football. Instead, people are worried about trade and immigration due to very real and immediate concerns over the economy and employment.


      May 13, 2016 at 10:57 am

  2. Abortion is a totally dumb issue. Really stupid. The evangelicals need to get over it. They’re not going to repeal Roe-v-Wade, they have completely lost the culture wars, and the only thing left for them is to support a candidate who can defend what remains of their liberties.

    Mick Fisk (@mickfisk)

    May 13, 2016 at 9:31 am

    • The blockheadedness that caused them to lose the culture wars also keeps them from moving on to something salvageable. Even worse for anybody stuck in an alliance with them, a lot of these fools have a martyr complex —- defeat gives them a kind of pleasure. It’s noble to lose. That’s one of the social costs Western society suffers by having its de facto religion be one in which the founding “Savior” is praised for allowing himself to be beaten up and killed by his enemies.


      May 13, 2016 at 10:12 am

      • I don’t agree that conservatives have completely lost the culture wars. Losing a battle isn’t the same thing as losing a war.

        The analogy with abortion is very flawed. Human beings always had abortions. pregnancy is dangerous and sometimes has to be ended. But you can’t really compare that to same-sex marriage. No society has ever had same-sex marriage. likewise with the whole transgender issue, which I think is going to turn into a huge albatross around the necks of the Democrats.


        May 13, 2016 at 10:48 am

      • The tides are already turning in the culture wars from my perspective. We probably won’t ever get to a point where abortion is illegal (I wouldn’t want that). But this nonstop brainwashing about homosexuals, transgenders, feminism/women, and otherwise letting the mentally disordered rule our society and determine our ‘norms’ must stop.

        Panther of the Blogocube

        May 13, 2016 at 12:34 pm

    • Trump has destroyed the pro life movement as a political force. From now on, the Republicans will pay lip service to banning abortion when talking to pro life idiots, but otherwise refuse to address it.

      Otis the Sweaty

      May 13, 2016 at 10:22 am

    • Liberties?!!! Forget liberties. We’re trying to save the country.


      May 13, 2016 at 11:04 am

  3. Whenever Trump will be asked his views he will say he is pro-life with the exceptions. Whenever asked what he will do as POTUS he will say he will appoint conservative justices from the list of 10-12 which he has released or will release to the public, all of whom are conservative Scalia/Thomas-like judges who would therefore likely argue to reverse Roe v. Wade given the opportunity and the right case.

    Is that moving to the center? Because that is what Trump is going to do.

    Andrew E.

    May 13, 2016 at 10:36 am

    • Reversing Roe v Wade wouldn’t outlaw abortions, it would just return it to the states. Each state could make its own decision, and yeah possibly some of the more Jesus-y states would vote against abortions, but most wouldn’t. Also, you could legislate at the national level.

      The whole problem with Roe v Wade as law is that it was derived out of Magic Abortion Dust and imposed on the nation by judicial fiat. The fact that it’s still such a hot button issue is really pretty amazing after so many decades, but what can you do.

      Meanwhile, the so-called Republican Senate just passed another pork-laden budget that increases spending. With Republicans like this, who needs Democrats?


      May 13, 2016 at 12:49 pm

      • And the other problem is that Roe v. Wade delivered, via judicial fiat, a much more liberal abortion policy than exists in pretty much any other advanced nation. SWPLs here like to think that Europe is oh-so-much-more permissive than “Jesusland”, but the SC allowed abortion on demand up until the baby comes out of the birth canal (thus the need for bizarre and grisly procedures like “dilate and extraction”, where you pull the full term baby out until it is just inside the birth canal and vacuum out its brains).

        The court not only legalized it (which was already happening in various legislatures), it didn’t allow anybody to place any meaningful limitations on the practice, even to the extent of allowing viable infants to be killed. That’s why it’s been 40 years of protest and counterprotest. I would predict that if RvW were ever overturned, there would be a flurry of activity at the state level, it would pretty much be legalized in some fashion everywhere, and then the issue would die out…


        May 13, 2016 at 2:25 pm

      • It depends on where in Europe you are talking about. Former Soviet Union Europe has very liberal abortion laws and very high abortion rates.

      • Is that moving to the center? Because that is what Trump is going to do.

        He should say as little as possible about abortion because the odds are, no matter what he says, it will please no one. Evangelicals will think he’s being insincere if he criticizes abortion, liberals would never vote for him even if he was pro-abortion, and moderates will think he’s pandering either way.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        May 13, 2016 at 7:15 pm

  4. “It’s noble to lose.”

    Exactly, it’s fucking stupid. But they aren’t just harming themselves, their stupid masochism complex is dragging everyone else down as well.

    • And that is my problem with them. They aren’t bad people. I believe in God and am pro religion, but their politics are damaging white America.

      Otis the Sweaty

      May 13, 2016 at 2:00 pm

  5. It’s only May, and they’re already tied. Trump is definitely trending upward and Hillary is going downhill, especially after the recent bathroom mandate. When are you going to blog about it, Lion?


    May 13, 2016 at 12:00 pm

    • I generally avoid watching TV news, but I noticed no network, including Fox, is reporting Trump’s improved polls. They all believe it’s impossible for him to win.


      May 13, 2016 at 12:15 pm

  6. Offer over the counter birth control for abortions only to save the mother’s life (Medicaid already covers birth control for poor women).

    Most people would find that reasonable, and democrats would be forced to take a more extreme position to oppose that deal.

    BTW “pro-choice,” doesn’t mean pro abortion on-demand. Majority oppose post first trimester abortions, and accept limits (mother’s life, rape, incest etc) according to gallops poll data.


    May 13, 2016 at 12:07 pm

  7. Just wondering. Has Trump addressed the transgender-bathroom issue yet? I’m wondering what position he’ll take on it. It probably wouldn’t harm him to go hard right on this issue, especially since what’s now “hard right” (men in men’s bathrooms, women in women’s bathrooms) was unquestioned until…..a few months ago. Trump could use his power as presumptive nominee to be blunt about how the cultural Left is now entering the “too bizarre for satire” phase of LGBT rights and that it’s time to let the country absorb gay rights/gay marriage and not push for more. Will he do it? I can’t see liberal men wanting their wives or daughters to use a bathroom where any man could dress up as a woman and go in there to lurk or molest. What would Trump have to lose? If he’s so popular, then very little.

    Truthfully, I’ve started to rethink my opposition to Trump – and not just so Otis will stop thinking of me as a “stupid Christian.”. The Donald may be the lesser of two evils. At least I have until early November to decide.


    May 13, 2016 at 12:15 pm

    • He’s saying leave it to the states. His justice department would not go after anti-trans state laws. He will appoint conservative justices so that SCOTUS can’t say anti-trans laws are unconstitutional.

      This is Trump’s position on the culture issues.

      Andrew E.

      May 13, 2016 at 1:32 pm

      • I don’t know why we can’t have a “Trump” of the cultural right, as well as the nationalist right. Why should it be controversial to say that if you have male “equipment” you need to use a men’s room when you’re in public – regardless of what you “identify” with because it is too disruptive to society for us to work it any other way. For God’s sake, how many trans people are there in the U.S. that Trump should worry about offending them? I assume that most of them are liberal anyway. But again, this is a case of the cultural Left demanding a change in society and then calling people bigoted for holding a position that was uncontroversial until practically yesterday morning. Why doesn’t Trump challenge liberals to call Al Gore and John Kerry bigoted for not demanding gender-neutral bathrooms when they ran for president? He should ask the important question” “If this position is such a self-evident case of fairness toward a minority group, why did no one see it until right about now? Who were the early “evolvers” on this issue 10 years ago, 20 years ago?” But Trump seems afraid to confront it. This is why I suspect that he really is a social liberal and won’t give us a conservative Court.


        May 15, 2016 at 8:18 pm

    • They don’t even have to “dress up”. They only have to “feel” like a girl inside…

      State-sanctioned madness.


      May 13, 2016 at 2:00 pm

    • ” I can’t see liberal men wanting their wives or daughters to use a bathroom where any man could dress up as a woman and go in there to lurk or molest.”

      Large numbers of liberal men want women on the front lines and believe that Europe is being culturally enriched by the migrants. Repeat after me: Liberalism is a mental disorder.

      Lewis Medlock

      May 13, 2016 at 2:22 pm

    • Trump should avoid random moral white knighting, it’s not who he is. However, if he wants to have a go, I think the weak spot in this mess may be the absurd political/moral pretensions of these huge corporations getting involved, like the Silicon Valley set. That sort of business won’t make America great again.


      May 13, 2016 at 11:50 pm

  8. Gothamette said, “I don’t agree that conservatives have completely lost the culture wars. Losing a battle isn’t the same thing as losing a war.”

    In less than 50 years traditional marriage has been destroyed. A Kenyan communist was elected President of the United States. The West is being overrun by third world immigrants who are living for free on the dime of the taxpayers, and are encouraged to do so by our “leaders”. Those same leaders are afraid to call our enemy (radical Islam) by their proper name, and apologize for the audacity of their subjects to want to protect themselves and their families. Young girls (our daughters) will someday be conscripted into mortal combat via the draft and will soon be taking showers with grown, albeit mentally ill, men.

    If we haven’t already lost the culture war, please tell what defeat looks like.


    May 13, 2016 at 1:00 pm

    • “A Kenyan communist was elected President of the United States.”

      He’s culturally Indonesian, the only thing Kenyan about him is half of his genes from his Harvard-educated father who he never saw when he was growing up.

      • “He’s culturally Indonesian…”

        Culturally Marxist is a more accurate description.

        Lewis Medlock

        May 13, 2016 at 2:27 pm

      • Obama appears to have Indonesian ancestry. If anything, he’s not a half mulatto type.

        Furthermore, East Africans are generally smarter than those of the West, like Nigerians, because of their mixed heritage, coming from Semites.


        May 13, 2016 at 2:50 pm

  9. Trump needs to pivot to the center on abortion now that he has wrapped up the nomination.

    Great, so the TruCons will sputter and drool and hate Trump some more.

    Yes, Trump needs to take the abortion issue away from the Democrats. Just let it go.

    Notice he has done that with the Darlings of the Democrats – the gays and trannies! Trump doesn’t want to deal with it, it’s just another issue for the Democrat media to use against him.

    The TruCons want to make abortion, gays, trannies and the Bible the center of US politics and the GOPe wants to use these voters to promote the deconstruction of America on immigration/open borders, bad trade deals and demonization of Russia and unneeded wars in the Mideast.

    Trump’s team is keeping mission focused. For the most part.


    May 13, 2016 at 2:30 pm

    • The TruCons are utter scum. There is no greater joy than going to RedState and reveling in their despair.

      I may be Jewish, but the TruCons are worse than Hitler.

      Otis the Sweaty

      May 13, 2016 at 3:51 pm

      • Otis, stop being silly. You know what Hitler would have done to you. Are you really saying that Ted Cruz and I are worse? Please.

        And your problem is most likely with socons rather than “stupid Christians” as a religious group. If some other group took up the torch of social conservatism you’d have to switch the object of your wrath. If America were a normal country it would have a more broadly based social conservatism and evangelical Christians wouldn’t have to bear so much of the burden of carrying this philosophy alone. Jews have actually done quite well here (both in providing us with early neoconservatism which did some really outstanding work on socon issues and ideas, and the Orthodox community which preserves traditional values against secular influences.) The real disappointment in America is Roman Catholics – their record here is abysmal. And unlike Jews, they don’t have historical reasons for being socially liberal.



        May 13, 2016 at 8:05 pm

      • I would say RedStaters are worse than Hitler. They supported BLM disrupting Trump’s Chicago rally. Ted Cruz likewise supported BLM. Unforgivable.

        Nothing is worse than a traitor. The way the TruCons have allied with the left against us “bad whites” is the greatest crime in the history of humanity.

        Otis the Sweaty

        May 14, 2016 at 11:17 am

  10. I never understood what was conservative about being anti-abortion. Having all women who wanted to abort keep their babies will absolutely lead to more liberalism, Democrat voters, and big government. Having all these unwanted babies born also leads to more crime and social problems. Nothing conservative comes out of it.

    What I really don’t understand is why TrueCons are against providing free birth control to low income women. They say it’s outrageous for taxpayers to fund it. Well, paying for birth control is a LOT cheaper than 18+ years of welfare, food stamps, and Medicaid.

    Jay Fink

    May 13, 2016 at 4:02 pm

  11. “It’s also interesting to note that the 55% of respondents consider themselves to be pro-choice and only 35% say they are pro-life. ”

    That is interesting and suggests that the responders to the poll were Democrat – leaning. America as a whole breaks down more evenly on this.


    May 13, 2016 at 5:32 pm

    • Dan most of the people who comment here have no idea that you know what you are talking about. You need to be more insulting. As in “only an idiot would see those numbers and believe they accurately reflect reality”. After you post that, you will receive negative comments telling you that you are the idiot, that the future of civilization depends on abortion because most people have no standards, and anyway Howard Stern, who taught Donald Trump how to dominate the media, is pro-choice. Or similar nonsense. They ignore the fact that Donald Trump said he is now pro-life, like Scalia was, and unlike many commenters here he has both courage and moral standards and he will never say or hint he was not telling the truth about his opinion on such an important subject. Also Trump knows that, absent the equivalent of a Clinton indictment, he will lose every state east of the Mississippi that Romney lost, and by a larger margin than the rich little fellow did, if he is seen as a liar on this huge single-issue voter issue.

      howitzer daniel

      May 13, 2016 at 10:49 pm

  12. Trump is only two points behind Clinton when voters are forced to make a choice. The myth that Trump will lose to Clinton because he is massively behind in the polls is now shown to be false.

    Do you think Trump should hold back a bit until after she’s officially nominated at the Dem convention? If before the convention he starts building a large enough lead over her the Democrats might try to pull a ‘Torricelli’.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    May 13, 2016 at 7:18 pm

  13. “many of those pro-life people are blacks and Hispanics who will never vote Republican anyway”

    For blacks and non-white hispanics who vote GOP, a big portion do so because they members of extremely pro-life churches.

    I think abortion should always be legal, however like guns the number of single-issue voters is large enough it is too risky for Trump or most other Republicans to go pro-choice.

    The farthest left I would be comfortable with him going on the issue is the same for gay marriage: “I am opposed to abortion, and think it is an issue to be left up to the states, not the federal government forcing them to make it legal or illegal.” This will assure middle class women that at worst they or female relatives will always be able to get an abortion, even if it does involve a 5-hour drive out of state.


    May 13, 2016 at 11:52 pm

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