Lion of the Blogosphere

Will Trump pick up some of Bernie’s supporters?

The answer is yes.

The reason is that some of Bernie’s supporters support him not because they are super liberal (or even understand Bernie’s policy positions), but because they support an old white man who’s angry at the establishment and who’s not Hillary.

What a lot of MSM pundits don’t get is that a large percentage of regular people don’t decide who to vote for based on the policy issues that MSM pundits talk about and care about.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

May 25, 2016 at 10:04 am

Posted in Politics

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  1. I own some rental houses in a blue collar neighborhood. My tenants ride Harleys and drive pick up trucks with NRA stickers on them. They proudly fly American flags and go to their fundamentalist churches. They are “proles” no doubt, but some of the most stand up people you’ll ever meet. I was really surprised about a year ago to see how many Bernie signs and bumper stickers were popping up there. I anticipated more Cruz or Huckabee support but that wasn’t the case. This election really is all about nationalism and economic populism for them. I know without a doubt that with Hillary as the nominee every one of them will pull the lever for Trump.


    May 25, 2016 at 10:42 am

    • Coastal media types are consistently surprised that people of this sort are still allowed to vote.

      Greg Pandatshang

      May 25, 2016 at 2:48 pm

    • What region of the country? Don’t see that in the South/Southwest….


      May 26, 2016 at 3:34 am

      • Pennsylvania


        May 26, 2016 at 12:55 pm

  2. Bernie seems to be this looming threat or dark horse, who can defeat Trump and Clinton.

    Have you heard of people not going to the polls, if he loses?

    Trump will lose his appeal, if he becomes erratic and fickle, during the post season.


    May 25, 2016 at 11:00 am

  3. Not a large percentage: virtually all.

    The only policy difference of any significance between the Repubs and the Dems is the Dems support open borders and the Republicans don’t. Yet if you switch those positions, both sides would keep the overwhelming majority of their voters, even if people like us would switch to D and some DKos types would go 3rd party.

    As for the BernieBros, if you go to Bernie Reddit 90%+ of them are either for Trump or Stein in the general, but if you look at the polls, virtually all Berners will support Hillary against Trump

    Otis the Sweaty

    May 25, 2016 at 12:12 pm

  4. Guido Island has a Facebook Page for Sanders:

    But where are the guidos? I don’t find any surnames associated with pasta. They will be voting Trump.

    It appears that only the Irish, Jews and NAMs will be supporting him.

    Guidos hate Democrats, except in the likes of Cuomo or de Blasio.


    May 25, 2016 at 3:16 pm

  5. Lion is right about only pundits caring about policy issues. Maybe pundits talk about issues because they have nothing else to say, but frankly your average Joe is smarter than the pundits about this. Average Joe knows that the President will only be able to do a tiny, tiny fraction of anything he says he’s going to do. Average Joe supports Trump because he thinks Trump is a no-nonsense fighter who will generally stand up for the interests of middle America and tell it like it is.

    May 25, 2016 at 3:44 pm

    • “but frankly your average Joe is smarter than the pundits about this. Average Joe knows that the President will only be able to do a tiny, tiny fraction of anything he says he’s going to do.”

      No, I don’t agree with that.

      • The guidos in SI, clearly show that the average joe going to the polls, is NOT smarter than any of the pundits out there.

        They voted one for one of their own, Guiliani, and got screwed, then came Hizzonerberg, and they got screwed again, and now de Blasio, that fake Italian, how’s that working out for the goombas in Staten Island? Not good!


        May 25, 2016 at 7:06 pm

      • Screwed? NYC’s had the best 20 years since Giuliani was elected. The value of their Staten Island homes has surely gone up…


        May 30, 2016 at 2:35 pm

  6. Sanders and Trump share some policy positions. They’ve both been very critical of the unfair trade agreements. They’ve both made an issue of H1B’s and jobs. And there’s the anti-establishment factor which you mentioned. Trump is moderate enough on social issues to pick up a few of the moderate Sanders supporters. But a lot of Sanders’ supporters are radical socialists. He’ll never get those.


    May 25, 2016 at 4:22 pm

  7. As a Trump supporter, I think Bernie is a completely understandable candidate to support. Bernie recognizes that the system is rigged against Americans, and wants to do something about it.

    Granted, he isn’t tackling the biggest issues (immigration), and he’s not the type of person who I trust to be able to implement any kind of policy. But in a different world, he’s not a bad candidate.

    Bernie voters should support Trump because Trump understands that the system is rigged. He’s said it multiple times. Moreover, Trump will get shit done. Bringing jobs back to America & Americans is going to take someone with real balls to stand up to half a century of entrenched graft, deceit, and manipulation.

    Panther of the Blogocube

    May 25, 2016 at 4:29 pm

    • As a Trump supporter, I think Bernie is a completely understandable candidate to support.

      No!!!!!!!!! because he is a completely stereotypical old NY Jewish leftwing wussbag on racial issues.

      He is a black lies matter trained bitch, he’s a pro la raza racist and his entire identity is built around being an apologist for anybody or group who is non-White!!

      The guy is terrible in every way EXCEPT for pointing out what a couple of dirt-bags Debbie Schultz and Hillary are and for stating the obvious which is that politicians are prostitutes for Wall Street gangsters.


      May 25, 2016 at 7:16 pm

      • That’s obvious to people who are aware of the score when it comes to race. Most, regrettably, are not. I don’t blame them for being brainwashed : We have an entire industry geared towards it.

        Panther of the Blogocube

        May 25, 2016 at 11:03 pm

  8. All Trump has to do is tar Hilary with corruption and negativity so much that they don’t turn up. That’s his job. Forget conversions.

    They will not vote for Trump – especially with his mathematically insane taxation and huckster wall street deregulation* platform.

    They may just not turn up to vote for Hillary out of apathy which may be just as good for him.

    **On the subject of which, him claiming Dodd Frank hurts people by killing lending to small businesses is the typical ‘what about the beloved kittens’ lobbyist crap you here from guys like this:

    “If you are on these committees,” Booth said, “you get political contributions, (and) you write rules or undermine the rules so there is little regulation so that you can get a job with a hedge fund or private equity fund when you leave the Senate.”

    Hello Tim Geithner (Cerberus), Ben Bernanke (Citadel), Greenspan (Paulson and co), and hundreds of officials and staffers over the years.

    Greenspan called himself “the quintessential private sector person” who ‘somehow ended up in public service for 20 years’…or as a more uncharitable person might say, a crony capitalist.

    The Philosopher

    May 25, 2016 at 5:41 pm

    • Most of Dodd/Frank and Sarbanes Oxley (suspended GAAP for banks and corporations) are objectively terrible for banking, small businesses and the nation generally. They should absolutely be repealed, Trump is right.

      Sensible banking reform would look something like the following: enforce separation of commercial and investment banking (ie. some version of Glass/Steagall), make interstate commercial branch banking illegal, require investment banks to revert back to private ownership, repeal most of Dodd/Frank and Sarbanes Oxley, audit the Fed.

      Unfortunately, I doubt Trump will do all of this. Can’t have it all.

      Andrew E.

      May 25, 2016 at 6:30 pm


    Podhoretz can be a good analyst even though his opinions suck. There are some references to this crossover phenom in the article.

    Hillary is really an idiot. She is now pressing Trump to release his tax forms – he’ll just turn around and press her to release the speeches – borrowing a page from Bernie’s book.


    May 25, 2016 at 6:24 pm

  10. I know it’s not a good sample set, but zero of the waaaaaay to many Bernie fanatics I know will vote Trump. A few might stay home, but they will all pull the lever for Billary long before they consider voting Trump.

    Some Guy

    May 25, 2016 at 7:41 pm

  11. Hillary is the most bought pro Wall Street, pro bad-trade candidate in History. Bernie supporters who care about his ideas (and not just the pro weed & free college) have more in common with Trump than Hillary.


    May 25, 2016 at 7:48 pm

  12. Tonight in traffic in SF there was a Subaru (natch) with a Bernie sticker. I pulled up alongside and motioned the driver to put his window down. Pleasant looking guy, about 70, with a shock of curly white hair. I asked why Bernie so little black support. He said, “I think that may have been a tactical error on his part.” LOL.


    May 25, 2016 at 10:56 pm

  13. I heard that Joy Behar said Bernie Sanders is hot because she loves an old jewish socialist (like Woody Allen and many others). I have a question about Jewish and Ivy : There is no question they have been discriminated against even in 1925 when they represented 30% of Ivy League but 2% of population because they were smart.
    But today, at Harvard they represent half of the white but there is absolutely no information about their average SAT , knowing they benefit from legacy, as they have representent (expcept in Princeton) one third of aluminu since almost a century.

    The fact is that indian are the most discriminated against with an average SAT at Harvard of 1/350. Asian are at 1/300. White at 1/100 . And black, latinos at 1/50. Red indians have the lowest score 1/30 average.

    So for Black, it s really tough to enter Harvard knowing they have very low average SAT. But nobody communicate about the jew / non jew SAT among white and i think every thing is possible : it could be the same, but it could be that jews are favoured or one the contrary still discriminated against. Even if Jews are favoured, it could be that it’s a favour for “aristocratic” jews, who come from legacy, and other jews aren’t. So the data should be divided in 4 categoris Jew legacy, Jew non legacy, White Legacy, non White Legacy average SAT.

    It is important because Jews represent half of white in Ivy …..

    Bruno from Paris

    May 26, 2016 at 2:02 am

    • Given the poor performance of East Asians and Indians, as value transference candidates, and their lack of contribution to America’s social and intellectual climate, Ivy Leagues admittedly, admits fewer of them, because of these reasons. Indians have done better than East Asians in this regard, but fare very poorly to Jews.

      Jews are the most dynamic ethnic group in America, hence their success and dominance, of the country’s cultural and social landscape.


      May 26, 2016 at 1:23 pm

      • He proves why Jews are often disliked, because they are overly ambitious and overly dynamic. This causes an uneasy tension among the White gentile majority, who feel Jews want to dominate and trump them for good. Basically, Jews want to get their hands on everything.

        A Harvard Law professor with a background in Islamic Studies, and he’s Jewish.


        May 26, 2016 at 1:43 pm

      • People dislike Jews for all sorts of reasons but nobody is against Jews because they are taking Islamic Studies jobs.

        Otis the Sweaty

        May 26, 2016 at 3:07 pm

  14. I tried explaining exactly this to an ardent, politically well versed hillary supporter and he just did not get it. He insisted all bernie supporters are socialists and would never go for Trump. I tried explaining many voters make low information decisions and don’t feel strong allegiance to party lines.

    The NYtimes recently ran an article about the down and out in Appalachia and one of them was a Bernie supporter. I can easily see someone like that switching from Bernie to Trump as both have anti-establishment appeal, and for many voters that’s sufficient.

    In fact it’s this group of low information “independents” that will make a Trump win possible. Low information doesn’t necessarily mean low intelligence; a lot of smart people pay no attention to politics whatsoever.

    slithy toves

    May 26, 2016 at 8:45 am

  15. When Ivy were recruiting on a knowledge best exam with no numerus clausus, jew got from 3% to 27% (1905 to 1927). The Harvard antisemit dean wanted a quota on Jew with a maximum of 1/7 (14%). Administration rejected but was clever and invented it wanted to admit only 1000 people as freshmen and will value athletic, Character or well-roundedness and legacies on top of regular knowledge test. Jews fall under 10%.

    Then Bryan Conant, during the war, with an objective of recruiting intelligent people outside the well informed who were candidate, developp the test used in army to recruit bursary student. They were so good that they decided in the ’50 to recruit only this way and skip the knowledge based competition (what we have still in France) but keep the soft matter (character etc) and the numerus clausus. Jews were so higly overrepresented in highly gifted that they jump from 10% to 30% in Harvard, Yale, Cornell (except in Princeton where they staid at 15%) and 40% in Columbia. They have staid at this level since then.

    But now you have two phenomena : East Asian wich have a 108 average IQ are very motivated and over-achieved scholastic test, due to good score in numerical part and indian (brahman) are extremely high, even higher than jews. And Jew level has drop quite a lot …. because of mariage with non Jew.

    So lot’s of Jews that have vibrant careers are JEws trained in the 50-60 or new arrived Jews (russia etc. ). But the Jews who are one third of Ivies are certainly benefiting from the discrimination that was put in place against them and that work against asian and indian-brown and benefiting from legacies. The fact that more than half of the white are Jews is telling. If they had an average SAT like those of indian and Asia admitted to colleges, there would be no pb. But i higly suspect that they’re average is even lower that the white one, more close to the latino/balck people average. They certainly still have top guns who are at the top of intelligence, but the’re average is not.

    If you look at math olympiad numbers (in the selection process), there is still quite a good proportion of Jews in the final 6, but in the top 100 of each year, very few are Jews.

    So i think they are dancing on a dead branch of the tree…. It’s sad because i love the idea of a super intelligent group of people, and they have bring so much to science and culture and arts during 3 centuries …

    Bruno from Paris

    May 27, 2016 at 9:49 am

  16. Trump used populous and nativist rhetoric though out his primary campaign.

    Sanders used populous rhetoric too, but he has not use nativist rhetoric.

    For many Sanders supports Trump’s anti-immigration, anti-mulism positions will be hard to swallow.

    Trump’s vow to scrap the global climate deals and view that global warming is a hoax will turn off many Trump supporters.

    I’m sure Trump will pick up a few disgruntled Sanders supporters. Hillary will pick up a few Republicans who don’t like Trump.


    May 27, 2016 at 10:47 am

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