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Trump, not conservative but strongly anti-liberal

W. James Antle III writing in the Washington Examiner:

[Donald Trump] tapped into a large mass of voters who were instinctively pro-American and anti-liberal, but not really interested in the finer points of conservative ideology or policy.

That’s a great and very simple way of explaining Trump’s support. I wish I had thought of it that way. I have previously pointed out that conservatism, as defined by National Review types, is NOT the opposite of liberalism, it’s just one of many different philosophies that are at odds with liberalism.

Some people have been fretting over whether Donald Trump is a “real conservative.” Who cares? The important thing is that I am certain that Trump is a true anti-liberal and he’s not just pretending to be an anti-liberal. As I previously pointed out, Trump has fifties values, the decade in which he grew up (Trump was born in 1946), and fifties values are anti-liberal. For some psychological reason, Trump is immune to the societal pressure which causes nearly all other wealthy and successful people his age to abandon the values of their childhood and adopt newer more liberal values. I believe that Scott Adams has some insight into this. Trump is a master at persuading other people but his immune to persuasion himself, and the societal pressure which causes people to change their values is a type of persuasion.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

May 27, 2016 at 11:14 AM

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  1. Good point – I wish I’d thought of it too.

    Thinking back on previous Republican candidates, how many would we regard as truly “conservative?”
    Bush I, who raised taxes and thereby dumped all over his base, whom he thought were so stupid that they would support him anyway? He got about 38% of the vote in 1992. How about Bush II, sonny boy, who, when he took office in 2001, inherited a country blessed with peace and prosperity. Well, old George took care of that pretty quickly. The first GOP president in half a century to have a Republican-controlled Congress, he trashed the balanced budget with useless new programs (NCLB, Medicare Part D) and started a couple of useless trillion dollar wars. Pretty soon, spending was out of control, just like the Democrats! Neocon warmonger McCain and bankster Mitt didn’t seem too conservative either. Thinking back on it, I think Reagan was a lot like Trump, not so much conservative as anti-liberal.

    The country should be so lucky as to have another Reagan at the helm. Go Trump!

    Black Death

    May 27, 2016 at 12:08 PM

    • I was thinking about that very thing in regards to Paul Ryan. How did he become the gatekeeper of conservatism when he voted against a balanced budget amendment and is pro Muslim immigration? I don’t think that fits anyone’s definition of conservatism except for his.

      Mike Street Station

      May 27, 2016 at 1:30 PM

      • A balanced budget amendment is the height of economically illiterate charlatanism.


        May 27, 2016 at 2:10 PM

  2. Paleoconservative columnist San Francis coined the term “Middle American Radicals” two decades ago. This defines the bulk of Trump supporters to a tee. MARS are typically older, white and don’t have a college education. Essentially they are the biggest losers, both culturally and economically over the past two generations. They know that the America they grew up with is slipping away. These people are neither left nor right, they are simply anti-establishment. They fear the NAMS below them and resent the SWPLs above them. They are in a perpetual state of anger and high anxiety. They have given up on modern conservatism and its call for “limited government”. Instead of wanting to minimize the government like in years past, now they want the federal government to work for them for a change.


    May 27, 2016 at 12:34 PM

    • i dont think thats anything new, lots of conservative types love big government, but only when it supports their cause. the ones who genuinely want limited government are few and far between. thats also why, as a liberal person, i support conservative economic policies. i dont like the thought of swpl money going towards proles and nams. if you tax an swpl an extra 2% on his 70K salary, thats $1400 less he has to spend on self-actualizing activities. that $1400 will instead go to an underclass member who is just gonna blow it on rims or nascar tickets or donate it to an anti abortion charity


      May 29, 2016 at 3:01 PM

  3. “For some psychological reason, Trump is immune to the societal pressure which causes nearly all other wealthy and successful people his age to abandon the values of their childhood and adopt newer more liberal values.”

    I think it’s a combination of giant ego a great deal of testicular fortitude.

    I love the fact that he refuses to even use their language. He still says “the blacks” and “the Hispanics,” which liberals have arbitrarily decided is offensive for some reason.


    May 27, 2016 at 1:03 PM

    • He even says “the Indians.”


      May 27, 2016 at 5:10 PM

      • Haha. He’s a good lad.

        The Philosopher

        May 28, 2016 at 4:49 AM

  4. “and fifties values are anti-liberal.”

    They’re also pro-labor union, pro-social programs, pro-government spending.


    May 27, 2016 at 1:11 PM

    • 1950s values would lead one to oppose the entire 1960s counterculture and its vile offspring: black radicals, angry feminists, militant homosexuals, and demented, America-hating left-wing academics. If someone argued for gay marriage or transgendered bathrooms during the 50s they would be placed in a straitjacket and transported to a mental hospital.

      Lewis Medlock

      May 27, 2016 at 3:26 PM

      • Trump seems to give zero shits about whether or not the gays can get married.

        Greg Pandatshang

        May 28, 2016 at 1:32 AM

  5. “For some psychological reason, Trump is immune to the societal pressure which causes nearly all other wealthy and successful people his age to abandon the values of their childhood and adopt newer more liberal values.”

    So how many wives has he had, exactly?


    May 27, 2016 at 3:00 PM

  6. A lot of people are confused about what is and isn’t “conservative”. Trump has compounded their confusion by appealing to the base with positions at odds with what they’ve come to think of as conservative Republican. He’s basically shuffled the deck. It’s not any less conservative than before. In fact, I’d say it’s more conservative. But he’s shifted the focus from social issues to national issues. It’s more in line with how things used to be before they ended trade tariffs and border enforcement. Conservatives love it. But big business, libertarians and religious zealots hate it.


    May 27, 2016 at 3:01 PM

    • The TruCons hate him. Big business and most of the religious are already behind Trump.

      Here is what Conservatism is about, in order of importance:
      1. “Muh values”
      2. “Muh abortions”

      Most conservatives are against amnesty, but immigration simply isn’t a deal breaker for them. When TruCons says that Trump is a liberal, they are absolutely correct because to TruCons a liberal is somebody who isn’t all in both items of the list.

      These people are utter vermin, the lowest form of human life. They must all be destroyed.

      Otis the Sweaty

      May 27, 2016 at 5:31 PM

      • Most religious people like and support Trump. But I specifically said religious zealots. Most religious people are not zealots. Big business grudgingly supports Trump because they’re realistic not because they like him. They lost and, now, they must make nice or lose political access.

        If what you said about conservative priorities were true then Cruz would be the nominee. Trump always led among conservatives including religious conservatives. It’s only libertarians and religious zealots who ever strongly opposed him. Neither are conservative in spite of calling themselves “true conservatives”.

        Morality is important to conservatives. And most don’t like abortion. But most don’t consider it more important than national security, economy, immigration, etc. Once again, Trump’s success demonstrates this. He was undeniably the least religious and least pro-life of all the GOP candidates. He’d even had a well-publicized adulterous affair and two divorces. Yet he had enthusiastic support for a campaign based largely on trade, jobs and immigration. What this shows is that, while conservatives may value morality, they have a more balanced perspective than people give them credit for.

        I think you’re mistaken about who the TruCons are. Most of those calling themselves “true conservatives” are libertarians and not particularly concerned with morality. The only thing they have in common with religious zealots is that neither like Trump. Regardless, I agree that TruCons are vermin and want to destroy them as much as you do. I don’t want to win them over. I want to to drive them out of the GOP.


        May 28, 2016 at 12:20 AM

      • while there’s no denying that socons are vermin, trump nuthuggers have too much in common with them to be treated with respect. they may care about different things, but they’re similar in their prole temperment.


        May 28, 2016 at 2:40 AM

      • Glenn Beck, Ercuck Ercuckson, Ben Shapiro, Mark Levin, Ben Sasse, George Will and the RedState crew are NOT libertarians. They are TruCons to the core.

        There is a libertarian fringe, same as their is a neocon fringe, of the Republican coalition but there are too few of them to matter. The real enemy is the TruCon scourge who have ruined America.

        Otis the Sweaty

        May 28, 2016 at 2:47 PM

      • gm — I said “TruCons” not “SoCons”. I don’t know whether you’re a liberal or libertarian. Probably a libertarian. But you’re obviously not a conservative.


        May 28, 2016 at 10:18 PM

      • Sweaty — The people you listed may call themselves “conservatives” and align with conservative on a few things but they are NOT conservatives. No one who’s ever advocated amnesty or puts “free trade” above the national interest is.


        May 28, 2016 at 10:21 PM

      • Ercuck, Glenn Beck, Ted Cruz, Ben Sasse, Mark Levin, Ben Shapiro and others of their ilk are die hard against amnesty and are not fans of free trade either. In fact, TruCons did more to kill immigration reform in 2005, 2006 and 2014 than populists did, simply because there aren’t a lot of populists in DC.

        TruCons absolutely are conservatives.

        Otis the Sweaty

        May 29, 2016 at 2:18 AM

      • destructure – i was referring to otis’s message. i get the vibe that he thinks trump is significantly better than socons. which i don’t deny, but i’m talking about their voterbase. i think they’re equally prole.


        May 29, 2016 at 3:04 PM

      • by the way, i’ve spent the entire day smoking pot and binge reading lion’s old posts on proles / swpls and am wondering where i might fit into this.

        i’m a 30 something bangladeshi guy doing part time clerical work in a suburban philadelphia community college. i have a small (3 bed / 1.5 bath / just under 1000 square feet) ranch house in an upper middle class mainline suburb, which was purchased in the early 1990s by my dad, an immigrant with a private dental practice in a 30% black, 30% asian (mostly korean and bangladeshi), 40% white ethnic (mostly irish, greek, and albanian) streetcar suburb of philly. i failed out of st. joe’s university (prole catholic school with 85% acceptance rate) after my first year, mostly due to skipping class. then i worked as a cashier at a pizzeria until my parents decided to retire, give me the house, and move back to bangladesh.

        since 2008, i’ve been working 30 hours a week at the college, making between 1800 and 2000 a month after taxes. i don’t have to pay for housing, just property taxes and utilities. i bicycle to work, but own a 2005 volkswagen passat (mom’s old car). i’m overweight (5’11 / 235), a smoker, have a few swpl friendly tattoos, and wear horn rimmed glasses. i listen to npr and swpl friendly music, i love loutish fratboy comedies like the hangover and am a big UFC fan. i watch pretty much all of the prerequisite swpl tv shows like orange is the new black and house of cards. i play tennis 2 or 3 times a week. i spend a good portion of my income on conspicuously consuming overpriced food and drink at whatever swpl hotspot happens to be popular that particular month, have only ever traveled to miami, denver, nyc, vancouver, and montreal. never been to europe or any other part of asia besides bangladesh. i’m an atheist raised by secular muslims who kinda agrees with trump’s temporary ban solution, but would never admit it publically out of fear of being seen as “un-openminded” by my social circle. i shop at shitty department stores like kohls and jcpenny, dress business casual most of the time (khakis, button ups, sweaters, loafers), have a small vinyl collection, date a girl in cosmetology school, and frequently eat fast food. the only time i ever voted was in 2008, for obama. i’m pretty liberal on social issues, don’t really care about climate change (won’t admit that publically), somewhat anti-immigration, realistic about the iq of blacks (also wouldnt admit). where do you guys think i fall under? prole? high prole? striver? class x? or are minorities except from the class hierarchy applied to whites?


        May 29, 2016 at 5:37 PM

      • You sound like an unmotivated hipster.

      • idk, i think i have too many prole points to qualify as a hipster. i don’t read, never really traveled, dating a cosmetology student, support big business by eating fast food and shopping at big box retail stores, ufc fan, don’t care about climate change, am slightly uncomfortable around blacks. plus i hang out with a lot of stem nerds. in any case, i’ve been obsessed with the topic ever since i read paul fussel’s book (by read i mean watched a guy on youtube do a humorous review of it). thats actually how i found the old blog, good stuff


        May 29, 2016 at 8:20 PM

      • gm is like most americans or meriproles, who are not part of the aristocracy class. For all those strivers out there, who think they could hack their way into true swpldom, where one buys a residence in a swpl neighborhood, as a sign of success, the odds are so against you now.

        Priced out of SWPL areas and want to stay put in Amerca, because the rent prices are oppressive, well, I suggest living near the Hispanic mestizo types, as the lesser of the evils. White proles and guidos, and certainly, blacks are the more troublesome groups. Hispanic proles seem to be the more realistic, because many of them aren’t too far remove from their immigrant roots, and because of this, they have an outsider perspective of things. White proles are completely brainwashed and lost, and blacks, well, we get it with them.


        May 29, 2016 at 8:50 PM

      • Sweaty — “TruCons absolutely are conservatives.”

        You don’t know what a TruCon is. I’m not sure you know the difference between libertarian and conservative either. It’s easy to tell an anarchist howling about “statism”. But not so easy to tell a moderate libertarian. It takes a deeper understanding of the differences to distinguish. It wasn’t until a few months ago; when the differences bubbled to the surface, that I started having discussions with them and realized the finer points myself.

        Libertarians and conservatives hold similar opinions on both economic and personal liberty. But they hold their opinions for different reasons. And conservatives actually have other values that libertarians generally lack, such as morality, group loyalty and respect for authority. TruCons are constantly howling about “Muh liberty!” and “Muh cunstitution!” and think liberty is the basis of conservatism. That’s why they think they’re “true conservatives”. Conservatives like liberty and the constitution, too. But they’re a lot more moderate about it because their concern for liberty is balanced against other values. TruCons may not be as extreme as pure libertarians. But they’re not conservatives because they lack group loyalty and respect for authority. That’s why Trump’s nationalist message doesn’t resonate with them. And if that’ hasn’t convinced you they’re not really conservatives, most have vowed to support Gary Johnson of the Libertarian Party!

        I’m not familiar with Erickson or Sasse but wouldn’t consider Cruz, Beck, Shapiro or Levin conservative. I know most people do including themselves. But they’re not conservatives for the reasons given in the previous paragraph. Regardless, none of them opposed amnesty. Not one. They’ll say they did now. But they were all beating the drums for “comprehensive immigration reform” at the time. Cruz actually spearheaded Bush’s amnesty push back in 2003-04. He helped spearhead the GOP amnesty push in 2013 as well. And all the TruCons cheered it. They’ll claim Cruz’s amendment to the Gang of Eight bill was a “poison pill”. But I read Cruz’s amendments. It gave illegals permanent residency and work permits, doubled legal immigration, doubled middle eastern refugees and increased H1B’s by 500%. No. They didn’t oppose amnesty. What they opposed was giving illegals citizenship because illegals vote Democrat.


        May 30, 2016 at 2:37 AM

      • gm — I thought your comment was to me. If not then that changes the context from which I viewed it. I’ve never been around hipsters. Or maybe I just didn’t notice. But Leon’s unmotivated hipster assessment sounds reasonable. You do sound kind of prole, though. You might be more motivated if you didn’t smoke so much pot. No insult intended.


        May 30, 2016 at 4:24 AM

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