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Trump Sanders debate

Wow! I predict this will be the most-watched debate in the history of American politics.

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The consensus is that a Trump-Sanders debate right before the California primary hurts Hillary, which means that it benefits Trump. The only danger for Trump is if he hurts Hillary so badly that Bernie somehow becomes the nominee instead, but that’s pretty unlikely because for the same reason the GOPe wanted to lose with Cruz, the Dem-e wants to lose with Hillary.

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Otis the Sweaty writes:

Is this actually going to happen? I thought Trump was just trolling.

Yes, I predict it will happen because Trump said he would do it if the profits are donated to charity, and apparently Bernie really wants a debate because he understands that publicity benefits his cause, and ABC apparently has agreed to host the debate for the prestige of hosting it even though the profits have to be donated to charity.

This has reached a level where no one can back out of it. And Hillary is left looking stupid because she refused to debate Bernie and she insisted at a TV interview that there is no way such a debate would happen. So now Hillary looks like a chicken with very bad predictive powers, while the real man, who are not afraid of debates, debate each other.

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This is a huge opportunity for Trump to win over the support of Bernie’s supporters. I predict that we will see Trump treat Bernie with a lot of respect, and Trump will try to agree with him as much as possible while adding his catchphrase “but we have to be smart about it.”

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And now Trump says he no longer wants to debate.


Based on the fact that the Democratic nominating process is totally rigged and Crooked Hillary Clinton and Deborah Wasserman Schultz will not allow Bernie Sanders to win, and now that I am the presumptive Republican nominee, it seems inappropriate that I would debate the second place finisher. Likewise, the networks want to make a killing on these events and are not proving to be too generous to charitable causes, in this case, women’s health issues. Therefore, as much as I want to debate Bernie Sanders – and it would be an easy payday – I will wait to debate the first place finisher in the Democratic Party, probably Crooked Hillary Clinton, or whoever it may be.

That sucks.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

May 27, 2016 at 11:26 AM

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  1. Is this actually going to happen? I thought Trump was just trolling

    Otis the Sweaty

    May 27, 2016 at 11:30 AM

  2. I think it’s fantastic how much Bernie is trolling Hillary.


    May 27, 2016 at 11:31 AM

  3. Trump thinks it will be two people on the stage both agreeing to bash Hillary and coming out of it looking good.

    I don’t think that will happen.

    Bernie has had plenty of chances to bash Hillary in the past and has instead made excuses for her “I’m sick of these emails.”

    So Bernie will bash Trump instead (he wants to show the Denocrats that he can take Trump on), and Trump, being Trump, will fight back when attacked. He’ll lose potential support from Bernie voters when this happens.

    Choice of moderator and format could be key here. If gotcha journalists are involved, this will backfire for both of them. How about the McLaughlin group for moderators?


    May 27, 2016 at 11:55 AM

    • I wonder if Bernie could do it over again he wouldn’t have said “the American people don’t care about your emails”? He lost momentum after that and it took him awhile to gain it back. He trivialized an issue that could have hurt Hillary and made the difference in a close race.

      Jay Fink

      May 27, 2016 at 1:53 PM

    • I agree with Rotten. I wish Trump hadn’t gone for this. His instincts this past year have proven better than mine, but still, this seems like a play with little potential gain but lots of downside.


      May 27, 2016 at 3:01 PM

  4. It’s brilliant. Trump is a master. Bernie has a long track record of not being a team player and this is right in line with that.

    I heard a story from a friend in VT. In 1990 or ’91, Bernie, then mayor of Burlington, was invited along on a diplomatic mission to Leningrad. He was told by the organizer “look Bernie, just mouth some pleasantries, don’t say anything provocative”. Bernie agreed. So they’re at this big dinner, the mayor of Burlington and mayor of Leningrad. Bernie goes up to speak and what does he do? Attacks the USSR, lambasting them for all sorts of soviet human rights abuses or whatever. The event turns into a huge disaster, Russians are not happy. Bernie can’t be controlled.

    Economic Sophisms

    May 27, 2016 at 11:59 AM

    • If Trump goes through with it his approach should be to briefly disagree with Sanders’ attacks and then deflect the subject back to how Hillary stole the nomination, is a crook, to tied with special interests, etc.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      May 27, 2016 at 4:30 PM

  5. Wow! Burnie is an idiot, Trump will savage him.


    May 27, 2016 at 12:00 PM

  6. This is truly a masterstroke on the part of TRUMP.

    Two in the Bush

    May 27, 2016 at 12:02 PM

  7. One thing Trump cannot do is get into a debate about socialism. If Trump can continually redirect the conversation to immigration, trade and student loans, then he will be able to expose Bernie’s positions as hollow.

    Bernie cannot and will not do a thing on these matters. That is something critically important for the Trump campaign to understand.


    May 27, 2016 at 12:24 PM

  8. Although I doubt it would happen, my dream is that Bernie will not endorse or support Hillary during the general.

    Jay Fink

    May 27, 2016 at 12:33 PM

    • “We’re going to ask him why he thinks climate change is a hoax when the scientific community is almost unanimous that climate change is causing devastating problems,” Sanders told the crowd of nearly 10,000.

      Sanders added he also wants to ask Trump, “Why he thinks that in a nation where our diversity is our strength he thinks it is appropriate to be insulting Mexicans and Latinos.”

      Trump may spend his time bashing Hillary, but I don’t think Sanders will. He will spend his time attacking Trump.


      May 27, 2016 at 1:28 PM

      • The “climate change” question is indeed difficult. I happen to think the computer-modeled fear mongering of “climate change” is very much a hoax — the tie-in with CO2 that is — but given the blanket decade long propaganda on this topic, it’s hard to come out good in a debate. Bernie can say “97% of scientists…” yak yak, and even though if you actually know anything you know that this “study,” repeated a million times, was abjectly fake and fraudulent, but it has become Gospel and you can’t say “that study is wrong,” even though it is.

        That’s the real power of the Megaphone. They can say five words –“97 percent of scientists agree!” — and you need 15 minutes to unravel the falsehoods behind it.

        The other question — “diversity is our strength” — Trump would be best served by just saying, “No, diversity isn’t our strength. Tell me how it’s our strength? [throw it back at him] How is 70% of Mexicans being on government assistance (whatever the #) a strength? How is bringing in tens of thousands of foreign tech workers so Disney can make more money, and firing Americans a strength? How is having 40% of federal prison inmates being illegal aliens a strength?” And on and on. Really, ONLY Trump would be able to answer that the way it needs to be answered.

        And you have to push back and make Bernie say something besides feel-good we-are-the-world bromides. And the reality is, that the ONLY “benefit” of invite-the-world is more kebab shops (as if that’s a benefit).

        And then Trump should say, “how white is your neighborhood Bernie?” And he should ask the moderator as well. Where do you live Wolf? Ohh, East 73rd street? Pretty white neighborhood, isn’t it?


        May 27, 2016 at 2:51 PM

      • You’ve just wasted your time spewing this &(*%^&*.

        Bernie Sanders targets his disillusioned, Park Slope SWPLs, the same way Trump does with his proles.


        May 28, 2016 at 9:10 AM

      • That’s easy to get around. 97% of scientists agree because they are dependent on the government to fund their research. The government wants climate change research backed up because the government is using it to gain power over people. So, if you are a scientist who wants to eat, then you better create fake research for backing the government’s story.

        Scientists are some of the biggest collections of unscrupulous whores on the planet.


        May 28, 2016 at 3:17 PM

  9. There’s a serious chance that Trump will say something dumb at the debate, but he’s pulled so many boners in the past without suffering in the polls that it makes sense for him to debate Crazy Bernie–since Trump appears to be immune to damage, almost any debate occurrence will help him. If Bernie does well in the debate his supporters will be even less likely to switch to Rodham-Clinton in the general, for example. If Trump really sticks it to the socialist Bernie then that may make some Trump-skeptics among traditionalist GOP voters feel more warmly to Trump. And so on.


    May 27, 2016 at 1:13 PM

  10. That fat Muslim turncoat, colleague of the hot Armenian chic, Cenk Uygar (who’s married to an East Asian neotenic), might host it:


    May 27, 2016 at 1:17 PM

  11. Can you imagine the chaos in the unlikely event of a Sanders presidency?

    Sanders wimp-ily surrendered his stage to the BLM nuts. He would surrender the economy to them and and every foreign leader/threat would be emboldened to bully such a joke who they *know* would never strike back in any form.


    May 27, 2016 at 1:39 PM

    • This and immigration are the two best arguments against him.


      May 30, 2016 at 1:21 AM

      • Although really he’d be so ineffectual that he wouldn’t be able to do much on immigration.


        May 31, 2016 at 1:42 AM

  12. She’s looking Hillariously irrelevant by now.


    May 27, 2016 at 2:52 PM

  13. SNL’s season finale talked made fun of Bernie for screwing up by not bashing Clinton over her…activities


    May 27, 2016 at 2:56 PM

  14. Both Trump and Sanders have attacked trade deals as being unfair to American workers. This seems to be the one point of common ground.

    Both Trump and Sanders have said the ordinary Americans have been treated unfairly. Sanders wants to raise taxes on the top 1%. Trump has tried to mislead his low information supports into believing he too would raise taxes on the top 1%, but he has in fact proposed a huge tax cut for the top 1% then said the top 1% may have to settle for a smaller tax cut.

    Both Trump and Sanders have talked about the unfairness of how Wall Street is treated compared to ordinary Americans. Sanders has proposed breaking up the Wall Street Banks and more tightly regulating them to try to prevent them destroying the economy. Trump proposes rolling back all the new regulations on Wall Street and letting them party like it is 2005.

    On immigration, Sanders has opposed H1B visa expansion and I think Trump has too, but I doubt he really means it (ie, Trump will fold to business demands for more H1B visas).

    Sanders supports comprehensive immigration reform that provides a road map to citizenship. Trump proposes to deport of all people in the country illegally.

    Sanders supports an aggressive program to achieve 100% clean energy. Trump believes climate change is a hoax and supports increasing dirty energy like coal and oil.


    May 27, 2016 at 3:32 PM

    • So from what you’re saying then Trump is clearly the better choice. I agree.

      Andrew E.

      May 27, 2016 at 4:28 PM

    • As I expected, this was just a poke in the eye to Hillary. It ain’t happening – Trump says it’s inappropriate at this time since Bernie will be finishing second b/c of the fixed system that the Dems have.

      Why risk it? Like the lawyers say – never ask a question in court if you don’t know what answer you might get.


      May 27, 2016 at 4:31 PM

    • “(ie, Trump will fold to business demands for more H1B visas). ”

      At this point I think there is a 100% likelihood that this will happen.


      May 27, 2016 at 7:54 PM

    • Mike,

      Under the Bernie program, when do the immigrants leave? Never. If this was really a part of the Bernie plan, then he would be hit by it as hard as Trump was.

      And if the immigrants never leave and are given amnesty, then who is going to get all that free tuition and healthcare? Why, they will. So, you see, Sanders proposals are purely dead in the water.

      Sanders simply wants to use government to grease the shaft, not remove it.


      May 28, 2016 at 1:23 AM

    • Exactly, peterike’s comments was a waste of space. Sanders and Trumps share a similar hatred for the establishment. Sanders supports disillusioned SWPLs, like Trump does with his proles.


      May 28, 2016 at 9:16 AM

      • A commentator here once lamented that there are no leftists who support disenfranchised, non-prole Whites, like the readers on this site. Sanders shows some inkling as a start.


        May 28, 2016 at 9:20 AM

  15. Anonymous

    May 27, 2016 at 4:25 PM

  16. Oh this Bronx guy can’t wait to watch these two–one from Queens and one from Brooklyn–debate in an accent he can understand.


    May 27, 2016 at 4:34 PM

    • This could have been very exciting, exposed Trump and Crazy Bernie to whole new audiences, made Rodham-Clinton look ridiculous, etc. Very disappointing. A Trump blunder!


      May 27, 2016 at 5:21 PM

  17. Trump just backed out:

    David Pinsen

    May 27, 2016 at 4:58 PM

  18. I think Trump made the right call. It would have been brutal and would have alienated Bernie’s idiot supporters. After Bernie wins CA, Hell is going to break out in the Democratic party, let them destroy themselves.

    The latest CA poll shows Trump losing to Hillary but 10 points. 10 points in frickin’ CALIFORNIA. We are definitely trending in the right direction.

    Remember, we don’t need to win. We just need it to be close so Trump can allege fraud and a Constitutional crisis occurs.

    Otis the Sweaty

    May 27, 2016 at 5:05 PM

    • Trump was off his game and handled it badly in the beginning.

      He should have said Bernie needs to debate Hillary one last time AND Debbie Schultz.

      Bernie and Debbie should debate in order to clarify for Democrat primary voters what is going on. Get it out in the open.

      Trump failed right there.

      Plus, he could have said – “Me debate Bernie? And then maybe Ted Cruz could debate Hillary. Now does that make sense?”.


      May 28, 2016 at 12:24 AM

  19. Trump is brilliant! A master stroke! Tushe! Putin has found his match. Why he needs to debate Berny? He sowed more descent among the dems, dised Hillary, fooled Berny into thinking that he is more then gurnisht, trolled everybody and royalty left them out to dry because it’s not appropriate for him to be involved with Berny. I like it. Nobody understands how smart Trump is.


    May 27, 2016 at 6:22 PM

  20. Rush was excited about a Trump-Sanders debate too, and thought it was really clever of Trump to set this up, so Trump let Rush as well as you down.


    May 27, 2016 at 6:26 PM

  21. Sanders would win. Anyone here that can’t see that doesn’t know how to read polls. Just count the popular positions of both (multiply by ‘how import is this issue to you’ Gallup weight, and subtract to see how much of a loss Trump would have.

    The net effect of the debate, unlike republican debates which involved personality and whose questions involved riffing on personality stuff (because there was no policy difference at all between all 17 except cuckolding/immigration), would be to make Trump’s policies “very very, and I mean, very” stark to 150m people.

    Hillary cannot make that stark contrast, like Bernie can.

    Bernie: I want to bash Wall Street.

    Trump: Deregulate Wall Street. Why? Wall street gives loans to small businesses, ba boom chish (laughter).

    Finally Trump has a wall street question, and has to stand up for Wall Street on a national stage. Body blow to kidney.

    Bernie: Universal Free Healthcare and Free College

    Trump: Repeal and replace obamacare. Er, no state borders and no border and er, no borders. Deficit is important.

    Graze on the cheek.

    Bernie: Climate change bad.

    Trump: Climate change doesn’t exist, abolish EPA.

    Stamina evaporating.

    Bernie: Make corporations and the rich pay taxes. Most don’t pay anything.

    Trump: Rich pay too much taxes.

    Strong hook to the head. Dizzy now.

    Bernie: Ban corporate money in elections. Ban lobbyists. Repeal Citizens United.

    Trump: Inchorent barble

    Bloody eye. Almost knockout.

    And so on.

    Trump is the most charismatic candidate in my lifetime of any political office, but the debate is a big lose lose for him with low information voters who like his personality. Once the plutocratic stuff comes out starkly, its bad. He loses 2 voters for every 1 he gains here.

    At a meta level, Americans hear very populist positions for the first time opening the Overton window against future Trumps.

    Scott Adams thinks Trump wins alone on framing and ju ju talk. He thinks everything is about framing. It doesn’t occur to him that Trump is popular because he has popular positions which poll well. Its hard to frame really unpopular positions as our good friend Frank Luntz has admitted after 40 years of trying.

    You can’t talk Margot Robbie into bed without at least being 5’10, <15% body fat and at least above average T level count. You have to have some substance. Even Mao, Hitler and Stalin had popular positions.

    He completely discounted that Bernie can pin Trump down to plutocrat positions. They draw on trade and opposition to Israel lebensraum foreign policy but the debate won't only be about Bernie's one pluto position – open borders (bad as that is).

    This election has been a revelation that openly taking populist positions (which politicans weren't allowed to by donors) means rank outsiders like Trump and Sanders can be unstoppable without plutocrat distortion of media and electoral rules.

    Trump made the right call cancelling. He's not populist enough. Neither benefit from racial herding. So its all about positions. Too much risk.

    The Philosopher

    May 27, 2016 at 6:44 PM

    • What country do you think this is? Americans don’t want democratic socialism. And it will never ever happen so long as Americans are doing the voting. That’s why the Left opened up immigration to the Third World. So they could get the votes to bring about Marxism.

      Americans like American companies and corporations making good profits. What they resent is disloyal, traitorous transnational corporations raping and pillaging our wealth.

      Sanders is a commie who wants to destroy business and Trump is an American who wants to make American companies work for America. YUGE difference.

      Andrew E.

      May 27, 2016 at 7:48 PM

    • Not good analysis. Trump needs to debate winners and knock them down, not provide a platform for Bernie Sanders or other second rate losers.

      SANDERS: Free healthcare and college.

      TRUMP: Works great in Venezuela and Cuba. And why free college for everyone going forward? What about all the kids who graduated college and have massive student loans? Do we forgive those debts? What about forcing down the cost of tuition and all of the other fees to make the cost of these schools less burdensome on society?

      The point is that Trump is not dependent on plutocracy at all. He adjusts his tax plans accordingly. Besides, why does anyone think Bernie Sanders is an outsider? He’s been in Congress for 25 years. What has he proposed that even remotely tracked with his newfound populist beliefs? Meanwhile, his wife just bankrupted a university through fraud.

      Bernie can’t fight on trade or immigration since it would destroy the Democrat constituency. He can’t fight on education because it would destroy the educational system. Free healthcare is like cheaper healthcare promised by Obama…largely a fiction.


      May 28, 2016 at 1:11 AM

      • Map

        Sanders: Works great in every democratic country with a working sewage system.

        The thing about populist positions…and it may shock you, is that they are easy to defend.

        Also healthcare is better under government control, for a host of economic reasons I won’t go into. Suffice to say Trump himself is on the record as thinking so but isn’t allowed to say it now that hes a politician.


        Read Gallup polls on issues. Look at the academic studies on preferred wealth distributions. Most americans are more left than plutocrat, by a country mile. And thats with plutocrat reality distortion and a profound lack of international travelling.

        But yes, Bernie has his hands tied on open borders, even though ironically he hates it personally:

        Which must really gall him at night when he’s staring at the ceiling.

        The Philosopher

        May 28, 2016 at 4:32 AM

      • The Philosopher

        You are misunderstanding my take on populism. Populism is easy to black knight in such a way as to destroy the Left. Trump can one-up Bernie on education by supporting bankruptcies for student loan holders and expunging their credit reports of the hits. The financial companies holding the loans and the colleges take it on the chin. Enforcing price controls on universities is also a way of making college more affordable and all of this could be done without imposing costs on the citizens or the students.

        Trump can one-up Bernie by pointing out that, the fewer immigrants you have, the lower your healthcare costs are going to be. Therefore, existing non-socialized healthcare would be better than socialized medicine designed to provide healthcare for the entire world.

        Bernie is extraordinarily vulnerable to these attacks.


        May 28, 2016 at 3:37 PM

    • “Israel lebensraum foreign policy”? Did you see the size of Israel? Did you see what’s going on in the neighbouring countries? Can’t you hear the aggressive threats towards it? Not to mention that Israel gave a lot of land to secure peaceful relation with countries which agreed to it. Framing Israel position as lebensraum is beyond idiotic, it’s bordering racism.


      May 28, 2016 at 7:32 PM

      • “Israel lebensraum foreign policy”? Did you see the size of Israel? Did you see what’s going on in the neighbouring countries?

        As usual this lying paleoconservative dirtbag has no criticism for Islamic military expansionism; it’s not Netanyahu who’s demanding the annexation of Al-Andalus and Crete, or who’s holding onto thousands of miles of territory stolen from Christians in Alexandria, Antioch, etc.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        May 28, 2016 at 11:15 PM

  22. Take a look at this Chinese ad.


    May 27, 2016 at 8:33 PM

  23. Did you see this ad? I don’t know if the other link is good.


    May 27, 2016 at 8:36 PM

    • There’s a growing number of East Asian women with black men.


      May 28, 2016 at 6:22 PM

      • See Steve Sailer’s site for the point.


        May 30, 2016 at 12:55 AM

  24. Lion: Your fans demand that you tell us what Bernie’s end game is? Is he going to burn it all down at the convention or will he back Hillary like the coward he is?

    Otis the Sweaty

    May 27, 2016 at 10:49 PM

    • Another question: did Trump challenge Bernie to debate because he mispoke or did he do so by intent?

      The Undiscovered Jew

      May 28, 2016 at 11:17 PM

      • It seems like he’s constantly saying things and then retracting them. It makes him look really bad.


        May 30, 2016 at 1:16 AM

      • I believe the debate was suggested on the Jimmy Kimmel show when he posed it as a question from Bernie to Trump, who appeared as a guest. He answered in an impromptu manner, without really thinking it through. The media ran with it; his team advised against it. Here we are.

        It seems like he’s constantly saying things and then retracting them. It makes him look really bad.

        He is consistent on the important themes — those that he repeat over and over in his rallies and interviews. Everything else is flexible or negotiable. You should get used to his style.


        May 30, 2016 at 3:54 PM

  25. When I first read a headline about the possibility of a Trump-Sanders debate, I thought it was clickbait. Certainly it would be entertaining, and it would enrage the Clinton-backers.

    I think it was a good strategic decision for Trump to back out. He needs Sanders’ dedicated supporters to either vote for him or (more realistically) sit it out, and so he’d have the challenge of trying to “win” the debate without enraging the Sanders supporters. “Crazy Bernie” would not go over well. Sanders would go after him, with none of the foolish restraint he took towards Clinton.


    May 28, 2016 at 1:17 AM

  26. This debate would be good for us, but not so much for the public, who can’t really dissect prole and SWPL values.

    Sanders would discuss basic income for the college educated (proles hate all loafers living on the dole). And Trump brings up his delusional-let’s bring back manufacturing jobs to America spiel.

    Either way, America is a doomed country. Proles are stupid, and we have a large contingent of non-assimilable White minorities.


    May 28, 2016 at 9:29 AM

    • *non-assimilable White minorities


      May 28, 2016 at 10:24 AM

  27. It would be a great time to challenge Bernie on his inconsistencies with legal and illegal immigration. Get him on record. If curtailing legal immigration is good economics for working-class Americans, why is it not also good to curtail illegal immigration? It will at least show he is untrustworthy on the entirety of the issue. If Trump talks tough on legal immigrantion (as well as illegal), it could give him an advantage. He doesn’t have many against Bernie.


    May 28, 2016 at 10:25 AM

  28. OT: you’d love Pike Place Market in Seattle, SWPL paradise (even if not entirely W). Lots of cute Asian chix, many of whom I’m sure are eager.for Caucasoid DNA infusions.



    May 28, 2016 at 5:22 PM

  29. Trump is wise to back out for three reasons:

    1) no point in elevating 2nd place Bernie

    2) instead of making Hilary looked marginalized, it could make her look like the sane or respectable choice if the debate goes nuts and the two double ko each other

    3) Bernie could beat Donald in a debate. Those on the Right are always at inherent disadvantage in debates.


    May 28, 2016 at 7:56 PM

    • Wealthy SWPLs or Bobos, tend to vote for Clinton (along with a large contingent of NAMs). They represent the Leftist Establishment.

      Lower tier SWPLs and Hipster types, who’ve been screwed over by their wealthier and more powerful cohorts, tend to vote for Sanders (Sanders is almost as White as Trump in terms of his constituency).

      Most proles will be voting for Trump.

      Otty’s True Cons are at the backburner. Who cares about them. The GOPe is toast, and their constituents either vote for Trump or fall off the cliff.


      May 29, 2016 at 12:08 AM

    • Why are those on the right always at a disadvantage in debates? If you think that maybe you’re just a liberal.

      I do wish there were far fewer debates (maybe even none) and policy discussions were just done textually instead.


      May 30, 2016 at 1:48 AM

      • Magnavox,

        “Why are those on the right always at a disadvantage in debates? If you think that maybe you’re just a liberal.”

        Because they play by the Left’s rules.


        May 30, 2016 at 10:03 PM

      • map: Trump doesn’t play by the Left’s rules and he is probably the worst debater the GOP has ever put up. W was a total cuck and yet he steamrolled Richards, Gore and Kerry.

        The Right is bad in the debates because the overwhelming majority of politicians on the Right in America are total morons.

        Otis the Sweaty

        May 31, 2016 at 12:02 AM

      • What would be some examples of that? Remember that winning is not just saying what you like but saying what the audience as a whole likes. I have a lot of fringe views and I recognize it’s not a good idea to say everything I want to here.


        May 31, 2016 at 1:46 AM

      • Otis the sweaty,

        Nah, they are not morons. They are bought and paid for. The GOP is basically a subsidiary of the Democratic Party, a controlled opposition designed to create the illusion of a two-party system. This is why Republicans lose in debates. The Left frames every narrative they use.


        May 31, 2016 at 10:28 AM

  30. OK, maybe I’m going a little Scott Adams here but I think this was a brilliant Trump troll. Bernie bit, Trump “thought better of it,” backed out, was the victim of 2 minutes hate on Twitter by people who already hate him, which everyone will forget in 2 minutes, and made Bernie look as if he is being unsporting to Hillary. He’s not the presumptive nominee, after all.

    I think it’s brilliant. But maybe I am overthinking it.


    May 29, 2016 at 12:03 PM

  31. OT:

    Co-eds struggle to pay student debt, so they are increasingly turning to Sugar Daddies. Membership spikes in August and January (when tuition is typically due). “[Brandon Wade says] he created out of his own frustration with women. An MIT graduate, he had difficulty meeting women and realized a site such as this would highlight what set him apart — money.”

    So I looked this guy up: he’s Asian. He’s also married to a young, thin blonde (who has her hands on him in most of the staged photos posted online). I recall a poster on some Red Pill blog once said that according to a study, an Asian man needs to make $250,000 more than a white man to be considered about equally attractive. Felt sorry for them after hearing that…


    May 29, 2016 at 5:15 PM

    • What’s with this phenomenon of low status beta men with White women out of their league?

      America’s capitalism has gone amok. Attractive humans will become accessories, essentially useless for anything else, once robots are in effect.


      May 31, 2016 at 10:55 AM

  32. The intent and damage is already done on Hillary. New poll out today showing him leading her in OREGON, 44 to 42! A blue state! This was also a live-interview poll. And I think we’ll see more polls in coming weeks showing him tied or leading in the first tier of blue states beyond the purple states.

    Bilbo Baggins

    May 29, 2016 at 5:16 PM

  33. supposedly Trump is ahead in the latest Oregon poll but I don’t know if that poll is legit

    Otis the Sweaty

    May 29, 2016 at 9:58 PM

    • Sounds suspect to me.

    • No way.


      May 29, 2016 at 11:52 PM

    • Make your own judgements.

      One thing that might make such a massive outlier believable? It is a likely voter poll, not a registered voter poll. Assuming D turnout will be in the toilet with no Obama and R turnout will be through the roof with Trump, this poll becomes slightly more believable.

      That said, it is by “Clout Research” which apparently is affiliated with World Net Daily. So low credibility there, but they also had Indiana as a tossup in the primaries, so they aren’t totally in the tank for Trump.

      Otis the Sweaty

      May 30, 2016 at 1:57 AM

      • No way, not in Oregon.


        May 30, 2016 at 4:36 PM

      • Oregon did vote against drivers liscences for illegals by a massive margin

        Otis the Sweaty

        May 30, 2016 at 7:58 PM

      • There are always these outlier polls in every election. They don’t mean much.


        May 31, 2016 at 1:47 AM

  34. After Sanders leave, Clinton will get a bump. She’ll get another bumped after he closes ranks and his supporters resign themselves to voting for Clinton. I know all of you are celebrating, but your guy’s probably gonna lose. I wonder if you’re going to blame the media.


    May 30, 2016 at 7:47 PM

    • Hillary!! has always been and still remains the default establishment candidate, so that’s nothing new, and we furthermore all know that the great and good and their lackeys will do their utmost to finesse her into the Oval Office and keep the gravy train running. Still, I’ve thoroughly enjoyed the road so far, and am looking forward to the rest. She doesn’t look good, you know. Personally, I’d love to see her perp walked out of the race.

      TRUMP 2016.


      May 31, 2016 at 9:52 AM

  35. New New Hampshire poll – tie.


    May 31, 2016 at 7:15 AM

    • Booh yah. Trump seems to be doing much better in state polls than national ones.

      Otis the Sweaty

      May 31, 2016 at 10:16 AM

  36. Wall Street Journal editor: Trump needs to be destroyed to teach GOP voters a lesson:


    May 31, 2016 at 9:55 AM

    • WSJ is the flagship of the open borders treason lobby. The late Robert Bartley started them on this.


      May 31, 2016 at 7:26 PM

  37. What is the possibility of Sanders becoming the VP? He would probably join the sides of Trump, if he sways more moderate, given his NY values.


    May 31, 2016 at 10:49 AM

  38. New Jersey now almost tied. Clinton up only 4 according to Monmouth.

    Bilbo Baggins

    May 31, 2016 at 12:05 PM

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