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Trump University in the NY Times

I previously wrote that Trump university was a scam, so I am not at all surprised or shocked by today’s NY Times article. If anything, the mystery is why has this been so slow to come out? I guess the answer is that the MSM is a lot more outraged by Trump’s supposed racism and misogyny than they are by proles whites being scammed. In fact, when Trump isn’t the one doing the scamming, the MSM elites probably feel smugly superior when prole whites are scammed out of their money.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

June 1, 2016 at 12:46 pm

Posted in Politics

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  1. Now that he’s clinched the nomination, they’re free to unload on Trump.


    June 1, 2016 at 12:57 pm

  2. Trump U. will be blown by the media into a bigger deal than all of Hilary’s many terrible acts.

    Regardless, I don’t know what Trump was thinking here; was he so hard up for cash that he needed to perpetrate such an obvious scam? It undercuts his message of helping ordinary Americans.


    June 1, 2016 at 3:07 pm

    • Trump’s scams are small potatoes compared to Hillary’s treason. If Trump can’t ride that to the White House he does not deserve to be President.


      June 1, 2016 at 3:21 pm

    • Trump’s scams are small potatoes compared to Hillary’s treason.

      Downloads of all of Hillary’s classified emails are now sitting on hard drives in Pyongyang, Beijing, Moscow, and Raqqa.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      June 1, 2016 at 7:47 pm

  3. Trump University is his Achilles’ heel. Trump’s voters know he’s done sleazy deals and they aren’t too interested in all his policy positions. But they support him because they get the impression that he has the interests of the American people first.

    Trump University undercuts that because it paints a picture of a guy who swindles working class people who want to work hard and improve themselves.


    June 1, 2016 at 3:22 pm

    • Bill Clinton made $14 million as chancellor of a for-profit college chain:

      For every Trump Achilles’ heel, Hillary has an Achilles’ cankle.

      David Pinsen

      June 1, 2016 at 6:12 pm

    • Yes, and his tax evasion scheme of undervaluing his golf course is another one.

      I think Bernie has a chance.


      June 1, 2016 at 8:57 pm

    • In terms of ripoffs, Trump U doesn’t even register compared to a grievance studies degree from a second tier university (and in some cases first), and the postgrad degree business is arguably worse. Trump should be asking the media why they aren’t on that story, when his course was a fraction of the cost and probably left graduates with some useful knowledge. Note that the government, and by extension his opponent, encourages people who can’t afford it to take out loans for useless degrees. He’s got the ability to return fire on this one.


      June 2, 2016 at 8:24 pm

  4. The Trump University problem is softened by the fact that the firm behind the lawsuit apparently gave the Clintons $675,000 for speeches, among other conflicts of interest. Given that, it looks politically motivated.


    June 1, 2016 at 3:39 pm

    • It makes both Trump and Hillary look terrible. It doesn’t let Trump off the hook.

      There are increasing rumblings among the Dems to boot Hillary. I don’t know how seriously to take them. If they do, Trump is toast.


      June 1, 2016 at 7:22 pm

  5. O/T via Slate: Running a marathon is a dangerous, expensive, stupid, meaningless task. Don’t do it.

    In the comments the SWPL patrol is out in full force.


    June 1, 2016 at 4:01 pm

    • Lion, please bring your public health awareness campaign about the dangers of marathon running to this blog. Also, more cow posts.

      Horace Pinker

      June 1, 2016 at 5:37 pm

  6. The lending of Trump’s own name to steaks and bottled water is tacky but forgivable. However, his foray into get rich quick books, multi-level marketing schlock and Trump University is irredeemably vulgar. It shows a profound lack of judgment and a level of narcissism unhinged from the most basic levels of decency. A man of means who feels the need to stoop to this level of self aggrandizement is imbalanced and dangerous. Gary Johnson is getting my vote.


    June 1, 2016 at 4:26 pm

    • Thanks for unburdening your soul for all here to witness.

      Andrew E.

      June 1, 2016 at 6:21 pm

    • Yes, because no billionaire ever mad his fortune selling conspicuous consumption to proles (education is also a form of conspicuous consumption as it exists today).

      I’m sure Walmart has never ripped anyone off or for that matter big oil. All heavily respectable industries. You just don’t like this venture because it’s particularly prole. I’d rather he made his money using more conventional prole methods than be a high level data theif/mastermind like the corrupt owners of Facebook and other social media/tech value transference garbage who’s only function is to transfer capital to themselves from prole pension funds and convert that capital into hard assets before we all realize their stock is worthless and heir business models were never going concerns.


      June 1, 2016 at 6:34 pm

    • A man of means who feels the need to stoop to this level of self aggrandizement is imbalanced and dangerous.

      And extremely dangerous in a general election contest vs. an even more imbalanced Democrat.

      Trump is getting my vote.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      June 1, 2016 at 7:44 pm

    • Good point here. I knew one chick who got duped into climbing the pyramid of ACN for a while in part because she figured that any business that had Trump endorse it was a business safe enough to get involved with. Shame on Trump for endorsing them.

      Anonymous Bro

      June 1, 2016 at 8:10 pm

    • I don’t give a shit about Trump’s “vulgarity”.

      The GOPe thinks having a country and controlling our borders are vulgar and beyond the pale. If it takes a vulgarian to achieve those goals, so be it.


      June 1, 2016 at 11:03 pm

  7. Lion, everything you are saying about MSM hypocrisy is true, but this Trump University is really a nasty problem.


    June 1, 2016 at 5:06 pm

  8. How involved was Trump in the scam? While Trump University was awful, I do wonder how deeply involved Trump was in the matter.


    June 1, 2016 at 6:07 pm

    • They probably just used his name. He probably paid little attention to it.


      June 3, 2016 at 12:39 am

  9. “If anything, the mystery is why has this been so slow to come out?”

    Because the documents were sealed, but the Mexican American judge unsealed them out of personal animus toward Trump (and is now trying to reseal some of them: )?

    David Pinsen

    June 1, 2016 at 6:10 pm

  10. If Trump University gave people the opportunity to pay to hear motivational speakers talk about real estate investing, then it’s no big deal. The one thing in the NYT story that is alarming is the reference to a $35,000 class. (There are no other numbers mentioned in the story, which is odd.) If the “classes” actually cost that much, then we have a problem.


    June 1, 2016 at 7:30 pm

    • As they say if people pay it what is the problem?

      Many “real” colleges are scams too.People pay $250,000 to get a degree in women studies or black studies. That’s a joke.

      I’ll bet most people who get a degree in a science never use it and wind up with a job that doesn’t really need a degree,.

      Perfume is a complete ripoff, but the price is relatively modest so people don’t say anything.


      June 1, 2016 at 9:57 pm

    • Trump U. sounds like Russ Whitney’s real estate school. The end of this article is great.

      David Pinsen

      June 1, 2016 at 10:16 pm

    • $35,000 class? Who has $35,000 liquid to spend on anything like that?


      June 1, 2016 at 10:28 pm

      • They have students apply for new credit cards and ask to get their credit limits raised on current credit cards.

        David Pinsen

        June 2, 2016 at 7:44 am

      • You think it is that easy to get credit limits on credit cards raised? Banks treat credit limits as debts actually incurred even if the credit card i never used.

        None of this smells right.


        June 2, 2016 at 11:43 am

      • “You think it is that easy to get credit limits on credit cards raised?”

        It was easier before the credit crisis.

        David Pinsen

        June 2, 2016 at 12:22 pm

  11. More customers duped by Trump U:

    Andrew E.

    June 1, 2016 at 9:39 pm

  12. Trump was involved with one of the scummiest businesses around-casinos. It’s funny how few people question that.

    Casinos are officially sanctioned fleecing schemes.

    The three scummiest businesses are casinos, cigarettes and alcohol. The damage they cause is enormous.



    June 1, 2016 at 10:02 pm

    • Good point.

      Sagi Is My Guru

      June 2, 2016 at 2:28 am

    • Trump would have to have balls like titanium to let this monstrosity go to trial. What an insane gamble.

      Sagi Is My Guru

      June 2, 2016 at 2:30 am

    • Don’t forget Wall Street (at least the way it’s been for the last few decades) when it comes to scummy businesses. Admittedly It’s not saying much, but Trump still comes out looking better than Mitt Romney, vulture capitalist.


      June 2, 2016 at 8:27 am

      • Dems can’t play the casino card because: Harry Reid

        August LV

        June 2, 2016 at 7:58 pm

  13. What is the economic case for a billionaire to get involved in a low rent business like this? It’d be like Mark Zuckerberg teaching programming on the side for extra cash. It’s bizarre. The only reasonable explanation is that he’s not as wealthy as he claims to be and needs all the cash flow he can get.


    June 1, 2016 at 11:02 pm

    • Occams Razor does not say that Trump may not actually be a legitimate billionaire several times over, he clearly is. Occams says that Trump really believed in the seminar and wanted to help people learn how to make good money in real estate investing. The problem with Trump U is not that it is a scam but that it is prole. That is, it is hbd ignorant since only certain personality/intelligence types will be able to take the information given in these seminars and have the self discipline and internal drive to make money with it as some were able to do. Many people are psychologically suited to, say, follow instructions, even people with above average iq’s and upper middle class jobs.

      Andrew E.

      June 2, 2016 at 9:37 am

      • There was a statement made by Mark Cuban recently that Trump only claimed about 165 million in liquid assets in his early campaign financial statements. According to Cuban there is no way that Trump is worth even close to 10 billion due to this alone.

        Trump has said that he had nothing to do with the curriculum or the profs at “Trump U”. If he really cared about teaching students then he would have took an active role in forming and communicating said curriculum. He would also not advise his students to take on high interest consumer debt to make real estate acquisitions. It makes absolutely no sense for a billionaire to behave like this. Getting involved in this and other get rich quick books and MLM schemes reeks of desperation. Occams Razor says that Trump is not releasing his tax returns because Trump is full of shit.


        June 2, 2016 at 2:47 pm

      • Occam’s Razor simply says that you should favor ideas with fewer assumptions. It doesn’t say that you should promote whatever idea you happen to favor.

        The assumptions themselves, the number of assumptions, how great an assumption, etc. in this case are not clear and are open to interpretation and dispute. Bringing up Occam’s Razor is pointless in these kind of discussions, and people only bring it up to make their arguments or preferred views look stronger or more sophisticated than they are.

        Whether or not Trump is as wealthy as he says he is, there is no economic case for a billionaire to engage in this low rent activity. And if Trump was just being philanthropic and wanted to simply help people, why did he do it through a low rent seminar that charged thousands of dollars?


        June 2, 2016 at 3:56 pm

      • The only reasonable explanation is that he’s not as wealthy as he claims to be and needs all the cash flow he can get.

        Sure, the only one. That must be it. Obviously.

        Look, there appears to have been around 10,000 or so people (as best I can find) who participated in this at one time or another. Some of them attended only the free portion of the seminar. Some of them progressed and paid several thousand dollars to participate further. And some paid the full $30-35 thousand for full participation. Subtract out expenses and compensation and this was not nor could reasonably be intended to be a big money-maker for Trump.

        Andrew E.

        June 2, 2016 at 4:39 pm

      • ” Subtract out expenses and compensation and this was not nor could reasonably be intended to be a big money-maker for Trump.”

        Right. There is no way Trump was going to make any real money on this. I think he did because he is a brand name and wanted his name on various products like steaks, clothes, alcohol etc. It’s ego and publicity.

        He has Trump on the side of his plane. How billionaires do that?

        Forbes estimated him to be worth around 4.5 bil if i remember correctly. Why would they do that if they didn’t think he was worth that much.

        There was some billionaire who I remember had hundreds of millions of dollars in loans but he was worth billions. Why take out those loans if you are worth billions? Maybe that was the right thing to do based on the rate he got and what he was doing with it.


        June 3, 2016 at 12:37 am

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