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Trump and the judge

The judge, Gonzalo Curiel, is a member of the San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association. Anti-Trumpers will say that doesn’t mean anything, that it’s just a Latino lawyers association. But if they are just a Latino lawyers association, then that’s what they should have called themselves. By choosing the name “La Raza” they open themselves to legitimate speculation that they share the radical left-wing pro-immigrant anti-American-citizen anti-white politics of the National Council of La Raza.

It’s easy to see why a judge with leftwing pro-immigrant politics would be unable to fairly judge Donald Trump. And Trump has a constitutional right to due process of law, and the legal process allows a litigant to request a new judge.

Minorities routinely claim that they can’t be fairly judged by a white judiciary, and a white judge who joined a “white lawyers association” would surely be kicked off the bench for being a “racist,” so there is clearly a PC double standard here. But that’s not the argument Trump is making. It’s not that the judge can’t fairly judge his case because they are different races, but because of different political views.

I really wish Trump wasn’t involved in this lawsuit at all. Trump has said many times that he could have settled the lawsuit for a small amount of money, and if that’s true than he was pretty stupid for not doing so. Trump “University” was, without a doubt, a bogus institution that, from a non-legal perspective, scammed proles out of their money. Whether or not that rises to the legal level of fraud, I’m not sure. Indeed our whole economy is based on selling useless crap to people. But Trump shouldn’t have been involved in such a low-class and scummy business when he could have made just as much money if not a lot more money using his efforts to expand his real estate holdings.

It was many times more expensive, on a per-hour basis, to attend a Hillary Clinton speech than to attend Trump University, but no one is claiming that those who paid to hear Hillary speak were ripped off. However I don’t say this to absolve Trump of bad judgment for getting involved with Trump “University,” but merely to point out another double standard.

The judge thing is not a reason to not vote for Trump. The ideal candidate would have the demeanor of Mitt Romney, the honesty of George Washington, and would be pro-abortion [whoa, I meant pro-choice, I have REALLY been doing a bad job of editing my own posts], a populist, an HBD believer, and even more anti-immigration than Trump. But Trump is the best candidate actually running for the office.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

June 7, 2016 at 11:45 am

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  1. As you’ve stated, Trump actually has a defensible position in regards to the racial politics involved with judges.. The problem is, he’s not making it. Instead he’s saying, “the wall, he’s Mexican” end of story. But more to the point, he should never have been dragging out this Trump University lawsuit into the campaign in the first place.Scott Adams may be able to rationalize this as some sort of 5 D thinking, but it still seems stupid to be talking about your lawsuits in a campaign that highlights Trump U. It’s a gift to Hillary’s campaign as far as I can tell.

    Mike Street Station

    June 7, 2016 at 12:01 pm

    • @MikeSS,
      Trump is a CEO who depends upon underlings to frame his thoughts better than he can. A while back, when we were discussing the KKK/Jake Tapper business, I said that Trump should have said “I’m not going to allow you to associate me with people with whom I have no association,” or something like that. That’s what he was trying to say, but it came out in incoherent splutters. Bush2 had that problem, in addition to being wrong about everything. In Trump’s case, he’s right about almost everything but his expresses it poorly.

      That’s a major deficit in a president, whose job is to voice the unconscious of the electorate. Hillary OTOH is pretty darn good at expressing her horrible positions. I have a feeling she will deal with him the same way she and her team dealt with Little Ricky Lazio. She cut him into pieces & fed his body to the fishes. But Trump isn’t Lazio, so we’ll see.


      June 9, 2016 at 12:01 pm

      • Trump does need to speak less and let spokesmen present these sort of arguments for him.

        Mike Street Station

        June 9, 2016 at 6:47 pm

      • In that case, yes, because he knew what he meant but couldn’t quite frame it properly. W/respect to Curiel, Trump’s fundamental message is totally wrong. He should never have made this an ethnic issue.


        June 11, 2016 at 9:38 am

  2. I’ve yet to hear a mainstream media commentator mention the judge’s La Raza membership, but the REPUBLICANS calling Trump a racist over the judge controversy are getting full coverage.

    Mark Caplan

    June 7, 2016 at 12:24 pm

    • Joe Scarborough has spent two entire days on nothing but how Trump is a racist ect…

      Mike Street Station

      June 7, 2016 at 12:33 pm

    • Since Trump is now in danger of losing Utah can we come to our senses and dump him? Please?

      Lion of the Turambar

      June 7, 2016 at 2:28 pm

      • Sorry. You cannot. We have all made our bed.

        Lion believes Trump can beat Hillary easy and polls indicate that. Let’s put it to the test in November.


        June 7, 2016 at 5:00 pm

      • If only. The idiot wing of the Republican party has given us the only candidate that can actually lose to Hillary. Those buffoons have guaranteed another 50 years of identity politics and affirmative action.

        Ron S

        June 8, 2016 at 1:53 am

  3. “The judge, Gonzalo Curiel, is a member of the San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association. Anti-Trumpers will say that doesn’t mean anything, that it’s just a Latino lawyers association. But if they are just a Latino lawyers association, then that’s what they should have called themselves. By choosing the name “La Raza” they open themselves to legitimate speculation that they share the radical leftwing pro-immigrant anti-American-citizen anti-white politics of the National Council of La Raza.”

    This is total nonsense. La Raza literally translates as “the race”. In Latin American this means the Hispanic race. It is usually used in a positive context of ethnic pride. In Latin America Columbus day is generally known as Día de la Raza, the day of the Hispanic race. Many Hispanic groups use the name La Raza. It does not mean they are connected.

    Federal courts have repeatedly held that race or ethnicity are improper grounds for challenging a judge’s impartiality. Lawyers can be severely sanctioned for even trying to raise the race or ethnicity when questioning the impartiality of a judge. Suggesting that because the judge is a member of a legal association that uses “La Raza” in its name means he is opposed to Trumps political views on immigration and therefore cannot be an impartial judge in the case is dangerously close to trying to exclude the judge based on race.

    Mike CA

    June 7, 2016 at 12:45 pm

    • It’s like a group calling itself “the KKK Lawyers Association,” then vehemently insisting they have no ties to or sympathies with that other KKK organization.

      Mark Caplan

      June 7, 2016 at 2:41 pm

      • There were actually 3 different incarnations of the KKK.

        The original KKK was formed mostly by disgruntled former Confederate soldiers with the goal of overthrowing the reconstruction state and local governments in the former Confederacy and restoring white rule. Towards that end KKK members attacked blacks, burned their houses, churches and schools usually at night and using colorful uniforms to hide their identify. Hundreds of blacks and whites that supported reconstruction were killed. One of the main grievance of the KKK was that Confederate soldiers had been stripped of the right to vote after the civil war and one of the main goals of the KKK was to restore voting rights to former Confederate soldiers.

        The original KKK was never really organized, although there were attempts to create a national organization. The original KKK was made up of many local groups spread across the former Confederacy that operated independently.

        The KKK faded away between about 1871-5. There was organized state and federal law enforcement efforts to arrest and prosecute KKK leaders. Many anti-reconstruction white politicians came out against the KKK because they felt is was giving the federal government an excuse to continue to interfere in government of the former Confederacy. While the groups that called themselves the KKK faded away, other groups replaced them.

        The second KKK was created in 1915 in Georgia following the release of the movie “The Birth of a Nation”. The images of the KKK as wearing white robes and burning crosses was created for dramatic effect in the movie, but then adopted by the second KKK. The second KKK started out as small local organization, but by the mid 1920s it spread out of the South and was strongest in the Midwestern industrial areas. The 2nd KKK was anti-immigrant, anti-Catholic, anti-Jewish and very strongly in favor of prohibition. The 2nd KKK was more of a political organization and attempted to run secret slates of candidates for local and state government.

        In the 1930s the KKK became more anti-Union and membership declined, perhaps because of the depression. By the 1940s the KKK really didn’t exist any more.

        Starting in the 1950s there was a 3rd incarnation KKK. This consisted of a number of independent groups that used the name KKK, wore white robes and used burning crosses as symbols, They had no connection to previous KKK but were organized as a response to the civil rights movement. The Birmingham, Alabama KKK started a campaign of bombing houses of black families that moved too close to white neighborhoods. Also in Birmingham the KKK was give free reign to beat up civil rights activist by the local police. This caused the federal government to intervene to protect civil rights protestors.

        There were many killings and bombings across the Southern states carried out by various groups that used the name KKK, but were not part of a any regional or national organization. The FBI infiltrate most of these KKK groups. There were many arrests and the KKK mostly faded away again. There were jokes that the only dues paying members of the KKK now were undercover FBI agents and without their dues the organization would collapse.

        There still are a number of small organizations that call themselves the KKK around today.

        The National Council of La Raza (NCLR) was organized starting in the late 1960s and early 1970s, It was originally funded by the Ford Foundation. It started out to be a sort of umbrella organization to help other Mexican activist groups organize but expanded that mission to include all Americans of Latino decent. It still receives 3/4 of its funding from private organizations like the Ford Foundation and 1/4 from the government. NCLR advocates for immigration reform and a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants.

        The NCLR has never engaged in terrorist campaigns, bombings or assassinations of opponents.

        Some fringe right news/blogs have tried to label the NCLR as the Hispanic KKK, but there is really no comparison of the two organization. Making that comparison only shows ignorance of history. The 1st and 3rd versions of the KKK were terrorist organizations. The anti-civil rights terrorist campaign of the 50s and 60s is what the KKK is associated with today in most peoples minds. The NCLR is a political advocacy, organizing and lobbying group.


        June 10, 2016 at 11:50 pm

      • @mikeca,
        Thank you for that very informative brief history. Meanwhile, out of curiosity I looked for a voluntary association of Jewish lawyers/jurists & found:

        “The AAJLJ is the voluntary bar association of American Jewish lawyers.”

        Let’s all step back and take a deep breath here. Trump should have settled. Having opted for a fight, he now drags ethnicity into the battle. This is NOT populism. A true populist would, in standing up for the silenced, aggrieved white majority, be attacking racial/gender identity politics 24/7. True populism isn’t turning the white majority into just another squabbling identity politics group.

        Major fail! As Trump would say.


        June 11, 2016 at 9:36 am

    • What you said is known as being a “Pollyanna.” There would be no need for a La Raza Lawyers Association in a country in which nobody gets special favors based on group, which is what Trump’s alt-right candidacy is all about. Still, he should have just let the guy rule and, if he got f*****, appeal. The guy’s probably not smart enough to tilt things against Trump without it being noticed.

      West Coast IA

      June 7, 2016 at 7:06 pm

    • So apparently lawyers can be severely sanctioned for something that everyone knows happens all the time:

      ‘Judge Sotomayor has given several speeches about the importance of diversity. But her 2001 remarks at Berkeley, which were published by the Berkeley La Raza Law Journal, went further, asserting that judges’ identities will affect legal outcomes. “Whether born from experience or inherent physiological or cultural differences,” she said, for jurists who are women and nonwhite, “our gender and national origins may and will make a difference in our judging.”

      Still, Judge Sotomayor questioned whether achieving impartiality “is possible in all, or even, in most, cases.” She added, “And I wonder whether by ignoring our differences as women or men of color we do a disservice both to the law and society.” ‘

      New York Times

      June 7, 2016 at 9:38 pm

      • If the laughable national discussion we’ve been having on Trump’s Curiel remarks included stuff like that this whole thing might be worthwhile, but only the scattered readers of dissident blogs like this one are learning of it. Trump hasn’t been clever enough to force such evidence into the MSM, and what he has said has only fueled the Clintonites’ desire to create a distraction that damages him with moderate squishes.

        What isn’t his fault are the back-stabbing Republicans who hate him because of his economic and immigration policies, and therefore want him to lose. They’ve helped to whip up this controversy by providing damaging quotes and denunciations at staggered intervals, so that there’s a “new” story to write up every day about this.

        I hate the situation, but these are the facts on the ground and Trump is going to have to deal with them effectively if he wants to win. The best way is to not play. Stop talking about race and ethnicity, which are third rails in American politics for a reason, and focus on class and national identity. It’s what this is really all about, after all. The true reason the establishment wants Trump to lose is not because he agrees with Sotomayor that Mexicans have biases.


        June 8, 2016 at 10:29 am

  4. Trump’s response to Curiel is not the demeanor I would want from a president, but it’s what one has come to expect from Trump. What surprises and bothers me is him throwing his own staff under the bus in public: “‘Are there any other stupid letters that were sent to you folks?’ Trump said. ‘That’s one of the reasons I want to have this call, because you guys are getting sometimes stupid information from people that aren’t so smart.'”

    It’s difficult to trust a leader who attacks his own team.

    Greg Pandatshang

    June 7, 2016 at 12:48 pm

  5. Trump has said he enthusiastically plans to restart Trump U once the litigation is over and he’s victorious. And he’ll probably have hundreds of thousands ready to sign up on day 1. Lion, you should find out where the front door to Trump U is and go stand in front on opening day and warn everyone going in to stay away. You could even point them to the nearest Planned Parenthood and tell them to get abortions with their money instead. Think of the two-for-one benefit you’d be doing the country.

    Andrew E.

    June 7, 2016 at 1:31 pm

    • I suspect if Trump restarts it, it will be in a less-scammy form. Maybe he’ll make it a YCombinator kind of deal.

      David Pinsen

      June 8, 2016 at 3:09 am

      • Nah, but maybe better quality control if you believe the anecdotal horror stories about Trump U. To wit, via some speculation: Trump probably gets a dozen legit business ideas pitched to him in his offices every week and he has to decide which ones to accept. So in 2004-2005 with real estate hot and seeing volatility ahead (both boom and bust opportunities to make a lot of money) Trump likes the idea of a real estate seminar pitched by a couple of impressive gentlemen (who Trump strongly defends to this day) and signs on and adds Trump U to the list of approx. 500 other LLCs under the Trump Org. umbrella (per his FEC business filings). The real estate market soon goes exponential and demand for these seminars suddenly spikes and the guys at the top scramble to find additional instructors and meeting spaces. Quality breaks down at times and some abuses happen. But all in all, the seminars are what they are. Lessons learned and adjustments made.

        Andrew E.

        June 8, 2016 at 12:17 pm

  6. Trump’s evidence that the judge is biased against him is that the cases were not thrown out on summary judgement.

    The actual facts are that there are two separate class action law suites, although filed by the same lawyers. For the second suite the Trump lawyers did not make a motion for summary judgement until April of this year. The hearing on the summary judgement motion was scheduled for July of this year, although it may now get delayed.

    In the first suite the judge has ruled on the summary judgement motions. The judge found for Trump on some issues and for the plaintiffs on some issues. The standard for granting a summary judgement motion is that you must show that the other side has no evidence that is admissible in court to support their position. If they have some evidence and you have much better evidence, judges are required to rule that this is a factual dispute that needs to be decided by a jury.

    The specific issues that the judge found to be in dispute were whether Trump had handpicked the instructors at Trump University as he claimed in advertisements and whether the plaintiffs had relied on false statements in advertisements for Trump university that Trump had personally approved and that the plaintiffs suffered losses as a result of those false statements.

    Given the documents that have been released, it seems to me their is no evidence that the judge is biased against trump based on his rulings so far on the summary judgement motions.

    Mike CA

    June 7, 2016 at 1:39 pm

    • Um, excuse me but the Supreme Court just decided 7-1 that a convicted black man on death row could get a new trial based on the fact that the jury was white.

      Trump can bang away all he wants about the judge being Mexican.

      Andrew E.

      June 7, 2016 at 2:21 pm

  7. But Trump shouldn’t have been involved in such a low-class and scummy business when he could have made just as much money if not a lot more money using his efforts to expand his real estate holdings.

    It was many times more expensive, on a per-hour basis, to attend a Hillary Clinton speech than to attend Trump University, but no one is claiming that those who paid to hear Hillary speak were ripped off. However I don’t say this to absolve Trump of bad judgment for getting involved with Trump “University,” but merely to point out another double standard.

    Writing books and giving speeches are the only respectable ways to scam proles and people out of their money with useless advice. You can write useless advice books and sell them at Barnes & Noble for $29.99, which is still a rip-off but each prole is only being scammed out of 30 bucks rather than the thousands of dollars at fake university seminars. You make up for it on volume. It’s acceptable and respectable to fleece many proles out of a little bit of their money each, but not to scam a smaller number of proles out of a lot of money. Speeches are respectable because they’re generally not given to proles, but to well-off people and professionals like real estate and other business associations during their conferences, where most people aren’t even listening anyway.

    Trump should have stuck to books and speeches.


    June 7, 2016 at 1:44 pm

  8. If you are interested in the Trump U story, I suggest you read this story:

    Trump learned the real estate, get rich quick seminar business from Mike and Irene Milin. They ran something called the National Grants Conferences (NGC) that promoted free seminars where you could learn about government programs that would give you free money. The seminar were basically sales pitches for a $999 NGC membership that came with some books describing the government programs.

    In 2006 Trump made a licensing deal with Milins for something called the Trump Institute. The Trump Institute seminars were largely the same material as NGC, but the price went up to $1399.

    Very shortly after Trump Institute started up its seminars, the Millins ran into legal trouble and were eventually forced out of the seminar business.

    Trump then started out on his own, creating Trump University.

    Mike CA

    June 7, 2016 at 2:41 pm

  9. I knew someone who paid 30,000 to get a BA degree in website design in the early 2000’s from a start-up “arts” college located in an office building.

    Do you think he every got a job designing websites? I lost track of him, but I doubt it,

    College is just a waste of money for most people and that includes “legit” colleges. State U is getting pretty close to becoming a scam.too.


    June 7, 2016 at 7:13 pm


    “It is unfortunate that my comments have been misconstrued as a categorical attack against people of Mexican heritage.

    I am friends with and employ thousands of people of Mexican and Hispanic descent.

    The American justice system relies on fair and impartial judges.

    All judges should be held to that standard.

    I do not feel that one’s heritage makes them incapable of being impartial, but, based on the rulings that I have received in the Trump University civil case, I feel justified in questioning whether I am receiving a fair trial.”


    June 7, 2016 at 8:37 pm

  11. Lion, I acknowledge your reasons for wanting a pro-abortion candidate, but Trump is not that guy. There simply are no Christian people as old as Trump with the level of energy Trump has who do not read the Bible every day (look at Clinton’s low level of energy at Trump’s age – like a wilted mushroom after a thunderstorm). (Of course Trump could be lying about being a Christian – his energy might be completely phony and secular – but I doubt it). People like Trump who read the Bible every day know that if we Americans willingly elect one or two more pro-abortion candidates to our most sought-after job God is going to go beyond his current level of letting 20 or 30 percent of us live in third world conditions and up the ante and bring that number up to 70 or 80 per cent. The same dismaying numbers would apply if you consider the Bible just to be the Jewish scriptures. Whether you think of God as the Jewish God or the Christian God, He will not be mocked, and He loves the innocent and helpless. While he of course pities and, in an understandable way, loves pro-abortion losers, even in their sad foolishness, He is not going to allow them to prosper in their wickedness. Even atheists who do not believe in God but understand history realize this. You simply cannot argue with God, and he loves the unborn as much as he loves us.

    howitzer daniel

    June 7, 2016 at 10:18 pm

    • Trump does NOT read the Bible ever.

      • If Trump really doesn’t read the Bible, maybe the Jewish women in his family often quote the Tanakh – one of the most pro-life books in any given bookstore – to him. Let’s be positive!!! The alternative is too too sad.

        howitzer daniel

        June 7, 2016 at 11:27 pm

      • The Tanakh doesn’t say anything about abortion. It talks about how Moses led the Jews out of Egypt, and then there’s a bunch of laws and commandments about not eating pork or shrimp and that homosexuals are an abomination.

  12. As usual, Trump actually has a point hidden in his remarks. “La Raza” is a racist organization. The name literally means “The Race”. They openly aim to promote the interests of the “Hispanic” race- and in this case, race really is a social construct- over everyone else.

    Added to that, its an old trick to use a lawsuit to stymie opponents, and to make sure they win the lawsuit by putting a judge/ jury on the case disposed to rule in your favor. By “old” I mean this tactic was described by Thucydides.

    However, I really think it he is better off winding up Trump University, apologizing for it, and to start handing out refunds without waiting for the legal ruling.


    June 8, 2016 at 12:14 am

    • It would be dumb to apologize for it. If you’re handing out refunds you need to spin it as an expression of how awesome you are. “I only got into this business to help people, and I truly believe in Trump University’s mission, but if people aren’t satisfied with what they’ve got then that just kills me, and I’d love to give them their money back. When I make a deal I want everybody to walk away happy. People are very happy when they work with me.”


      June 8, 2016 at 12:03 pm

  13. Come on, Lion, you did well in law school, you know that there are misdemeanors and felonies. And mere violations. Abortion was such a big and blasphemous felony in the Tanakh it was not even specifically mentioned. This is serious stuff. If you are lucky enough to be healthy enough to squirt out or squeeze out a viable little child you just don’t allow yourself or anyone else to scrape the little creature into dead little pieces with a sharp stick. That is ethics 101. Sure those exact words are not in the Tanakh but you also won’t find in the Tanakh any phrases similar to “hey the two of you can go ahead and scrape out your 4 parents’ grandchild with a crooked stick.” My Hebrew is pretty primitive but I am sure I am more accurate on this than clowns like Biden or Kennedy or Obama or Bloomberg. Trump agrees with me on this and not with you and that will likely not change, if it does, that will be bad.

    howitzer daniel

    June 8, 2016 at 12:45 am

  14. A “pro-abortion” candidate would do worse in November. Pro-abortion zealots already have another party to vote for.

    Re this:

    “And Trump has a constitutional right to due process of law, and the legal process allows a litigant to request a new judge.”

    But he hasn’t requested one. Scott Adams suggests its because he thinks he’d lose the case regardless of the judge, and, this way, if he loses, he can always blame the judge’s bias.

    Another issue is that the damage is done. The real issue here isn’t how the judge will rule on the case, but that he unsealed the documents during the election campaign. That cat is already out of the bag.

    David Pinsen

    June 8, 2016 at 3:15 am

    • And the trial scheduled for November. The media is only getting started.


      June 8, 2016 at 8:13 pm

  15. His comment was ridiculous and stupid. As was his rapists and murderers one. I hate mexican immigration and don’t like mexicans or mexican americans and I still can’t support anything he’s said on the issue. That obviously includes his standard stupid pro mexican comments about how great mexicans are and how he’s going to great with them electorally in addition to his stupid anti mexican ones.


    June 8, 2016 at 1:02 pm

  16. “Trump has said many times that he could have settled the lawsuit for a small amount of money, and if that’s true than he was pretty stupid for not doing so.”

    The simplest answer is that it is not a small amount of money to Trump because he’s not the billionaire he says he is. He doesn’t want to weather a multimillion dollar judgement because he would take a relatively big hit. A true billionaire would just make the problem go away (with no admission of guilt) by leveraging his cold hard cash– especially when planning to run for office.

    When you accept that Trump simply isn’t who he says he is — brilliant businessman, savvy deal-maker, billionaire — the his actions make more sense.


    June 8, 2016 at 7:43 pm

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