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Lion ISIS prediction coming true!

After San Bernardino, I wrote the following:

I predict there will be more ISIS-inspired attacks between now and the election next November, ensuring that Trump will be the next president of the United States.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

June 12, 2016 at 4:33 pm

Posted in News, Politics

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  1. We’ll see. . .the media will not stop doing it’s darndest to make sure us hicks don’t believe our lying eyes. But yes, the correctness of Trump’s basic commonsense must be making it through to many new people with all these events.

    The problem is that even if Trump is elected POTUS it’s not enough. He comes and goes in 4-8 years while the media and finance masters are on their throwns FOREVER. There needs to be a sustained Trump movement that goes beyond the man that is capable of enduring and deposing the Managerial Elite who rule.


    June 12, 2016 at 4:40 pm

    • Peggy Noonan, in a recent WSJ editorial, actually mentioned a new pro Trump site:
      They are trying to establish an intellectual groundwork for Trumpism, without the Alt Right connotations.

      Mike Street Station

      June 13, 2016 at 3:07 pm

      • Doesn’t The American Conservative already fill that void? Trumpism is nothing but Buchananism minus the heavy handed social conservatism.


        June 13, 2016 at 5:26 pm

      • JAG was great for a few months until they voluntarily folded. Read their last post, unbelievable but true. This country is in real danger and nobody wants to help.


        June 13, 2016 at 6:21 pm

      • Is this a joke? The link is to a blog that’s been discontinued.


        June 13, 2016 at 6:31 pm

      • “Is this a joke? The link is to a blog that’s been discontinued.”

        No joke. Peggy Noonan wrote about it here:

        Mike Street Station

        June 14, 2016 at 1:30 pm

      • Sorry, that came out wrong. I didn’t mean you were joking about the existence of the site. But the site itself has only the one screen. I’d love to browse but there’s nothing.


        June 14, 2016 at 8:00 pm

      • Well there were a lot of posts on it a few days ago. Jonah Goldberg was writing about a discussion he was having with one of the writers of the blog here:

        Maybe they were close to being outed or doxxed and decided to shut down and delete all of their posts. I imagine if you work for a conservative or libertarian think tank or magazine and they find out you are secretly writing for a pro Trump blog, your job is forfeit.

        Mike Street Station

        June 14, 2016 at 10:08 pm

      • That’s what occurred to me. Because everyone kept referring to this wonderful website and I wasn’t finding anything. They must have gotten shit-scared and disappeared themselves.

        Remember: we live in the freest, best country on the face of the earth. As Americans, we have freedom of speech and as William F. Buckley once said (I saw him say this), if you don’t like your job, you are free to quit.


        June 15, 2016 at 9:19 am

    • I am sorry for the demise of JAG, but reading between the lines in that last post, I at least hope they’re thinking about some periodical like Claremont Review of Books or an internet site they can monetize.


      June 14, 2016 at 11:40 am

    • I read the Noonan article, it was good, but JAG is offline. What happened?


      June 14, 2016 at 8:07 pm

  2. I predict that the Muslim terrorist attack will be blamed on variously, the NRA, homophobia, individual mental illness and the antagonising behaviour of evil White people and that the all pervasive propaganda about Islam is the ‘religion of peace’ will leave most people vaguely thinking that the attacks are somehow Trump’s fault.

    Kit Ingoldby

    June 12, 2016 at 4:46 pm

    • This attack has put the gaystream media in a bind: clearly the Religion of Love, Peace, and Good Vibes does not celebrate sodomy and would applaud Omar Mateen’s act, but then he had to go and attack a bunch of heterophobes, which are perhaps even more sacrosanct to the Left than even blacks.

      So the gaystream media are put in the position of voicing either Islamophobia or homophobia, depending on who they support.

      Je suis Omar Mateen!


      June 13, 2016 at 4:58 pm

      • Lion, comments like this really drag down the atmosphere. Some hostile journalist can look at this site, ignore all the rational commenters, and quote stuff like “je suis …..” (I’m not even gonna quote it in its entirety.)

        Why do you allow this? You become associated with it.


        June 15, 2016 at 9:21 am

      • I agree. Comments like that will be deleted in the future.

        Unfortunately I am only one person, and don’t have an army of censors working for me like the NY Times, Twitter or Facebook.

  3. I just googled trump and sure enough the first articles that came up said he was facing a ‘backlash’ over his tweets on the shooting. I suspect there will be a number of voters who would welcome his honesty.


    June 12, 2016 at 4:47 pm

    • Google at work.


      June 13, 2016 at 6:22 pm

    • The backlash is media created hogwash. I truly have come to the point where I tune them out. I tried reading Karen Tumulty of WaPo – what a waste. I gave up after a few sentences.


      June 13, 2016 at 6:25 pm

  4. There’s got to be a law in here somewhere. For any given span of time, the probability of Islamic violence approaches one.

    Panther of the Blogocube

    June 12, 2016 at 5:08 pm

  5. Hit hardest? Brock Turner

    You might assume that a huge story like this would distract the lynch mob. But since this story would be inconvenient to the narrative, that means the Brock Turner 5 minute hate must be turned up.

    Lion of the Turambar

    June 12, 2016 at 5:10 pm

  6. OT: LotB and many others discuss living in Manhattan. According to the NYT, Jersey City seems like a very good, more affordable alternative (and it’s nearly perfectly, mathematically diverse). What do our NYC folk think about living in Jersey City?

    NYT, 06/08/16 – Jersey City: Growing, With Many Personalities

    …The Heights is one of many neighborhoods in Jersey City drawing people priced out of Manhattan and Brooklyn.

    Jersey City, with some 264,000 residents over 15 square miles, is a collection of neighborhoods with distinct personalities. In 2010, the population was 28 percent Hispanic or Latino, 26 percent black, 24 percent Asian and 22 percent non-Hispanic white, according to United States Census data….

    Schools remain a wild card…

    Some 9,700 residential units, mostly rentals, are under construction around the city and 16,000 more are approved…

    On June 1, there were 529 residential properties on the market, according to JCity Realty, with a median asking price of $399,000…The median monthly rent in May for waterfront rentals was $3,000; the rest of downtown was $2,695; Journal Square was $1,825; and the Heights was $1,650…

    The district’s average SAT score for 2014-2105 was 406 in reading, 407 in writing and 432 in math, compared with statewide averages of 500, 499 and 521…

    The PATH has stops in Jersey City at Exchange Place, Newport, Grove Street and Journal Square. The trip to 33rd Street in Manhattan is around 15 minutes from Newport and around 20 minutes from Journal Square. The ride to the World Trade Center is around five minutes from Exchange Place and about 10 minutes from Journal Square. New Jersey Transit operates buses to the Port Authority from various points in Jersey City. NY Waterway ferries go to Manhattan from Paulus Hook, Liberty Harbor and Port Liberte…

    Also, NYT, 02/12/16 – Moving to Jersey City? Join the Club.

    E. Rekshun

    June 12, 2016 at 5:34 pm

    • Jersey City is the New Brooklyn.

      If you can’t afford New York City or California, then move out of the nation, is what I recommend. Other parts of America is not cosmopolitan.


      June 12, 2016 at 8:47 pm

      • What I recommend is deporting the immigrants and anchor babies who have ruined the quality of life for working and middle class families.


        June 13, 2016 at 4:31 am

    • “and it’s nearly perfectly, mathematically diverse”

      In terms of segregation, Manhattan looks like 1950s Alabama. People who live there aren’t interested in diversity.


      June 13, 2016 at 10:36 am

      • Of course they want diversity. There’s the Filipino housekeeper, the Salvadoran nanny, the Mexican delivery man, and the Egyptian halal food cart vendor. The people who live in Manhattan are open minded and tolerant. And the world would be a much better place if more people were like them.

        Lewis Medlock

        June 13, 2016 at 1:03 pm

    • In all of Hudson County, you have to know where to buy.


      June 14, 2016 at 12:27 am

  7. This isn’t enough. We need more terror and more bad economic news. Stock market prob not crashing until next year. Wish the election was a year from now.

    Otis the Sweaty

    June 12, 2016 at 5:40 pm

    • We need more terror and more bad economic news. Stock market prob not crashing until next year.

      ISIS will take care of the terror – they feel momentum on their side and Obama never attacks genuine enemies of America. There’s no reason for them to hold back on any planned terrorist operations.

      Economically, the establishment will try to keep the economy from crashing. But they’ve already used up their ammunition keeping the economy barely propped up for Obama’s reelection. They have few remaining measures in their toolbox to handle any financial turbulence.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      June 12, 2016 at 7:11 pm

      • Right on both points. Regarding the first, ISIS prefers Trump for reasons that aren’t immediately obvious to most people. Regarding the second, the Fed can influence the economy some but they can’t hold back the tide. The only question is how long they can postpone it.


        June 13, 2016 at 4:39 am

      • Is the reason because ISIS can escalate its actions with Trump as President, or that Trumps actions will galvanize the more radical parts of the Ummah and attract more recruits to ISIS.


        June 13, 2016 at 3:44 pm

      • Latias — When the chips hit the fan people gravitate to strength because they associate strength with security. So a large part of ISIS strategy has been to foment instability and violence then exploit it to grow support for their cause. It’s been very successful, too. But now they’re starting to lose ground and getting desperate. They’re hoping terror attacks against the west will provoke retaliation. And that the retaliation and instability will drive people to their side.

        They believe Trump is more likely to retaliate because he’s a man and has been more critical of Islam. I personally disagree. Trump may talk tough but he does it as a tactic and because he enjoys it. He’s not the loose cannon people imagine. Hillary is much more likely to go in with guns blazing. She’s also more likely to make a mess of it. Both of which ISIS wants. But they don’t see her that way because she’s a woman.


        June 13, 2016 at 5:05 pm

      • The only question is how long they can postpone it.

        The ingredients for a robust, if not catastrophic, global recession are all in place. Not much else they can do to prevent it if everything starts tipping over, except for resorting to experimental remedies such as negative rates that might be have worse side effects of the disease. For the most part they’ll just have to keep their fingers crossed and hope there’s no crash for the next five months.

        Is the reason because ISIS can escalate its actions with Trump as President, or that Trumps actions will galvanize the more radical parts of the Ummah and attract more recruits to ISIS.

        I’m saying ISIS will escalate attacks with Obama in the White House because he won’t do anything to harm ISIS militarily and is too politicially correct to make pre-emptive arrests of domestic terrorists.

        They might be looking forward to having Trump in the White House. But they’ll quickly come to regret it; ISIS would collapse quickly in the face of a serious American air offensive, which Trump would probably order, combined with local pro-Assad , Kurdish, and Russian ground forces.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        June 13, 2016 at 5:12 pm

      • One more attack here and Trump is the president no matter what Hillary and the dems do.


        June 13, 2016 at 6:25 pm

  8. Obama called this attack “an act of terror and an act of hate.” Obama again called for the agreement on “common-sense” gun measures. No mention that the shooter, Omar Mateen, was an Islamic radical who had been investigated by the FBI or that ISIS announced a major attack in Florida three days ago and has now claimed credit. The Times claims “Officials have not said whether the gunman had any direct link to the Islamic State, despite his claim of allegiance to it.” Obama should have done a better background check on Mateen before he made his idiotic remarks – it seems that Mateen was a licensed security officer who was authorized to purchase and carry firearms. But no matter – the Narrative stays the same.

    Black Death

    June 12, 2016 at 5:40 pm

  9. Lion was right again!


    June 12, 2016 at 6:11 pm

  10. I wholeheartedly agree, especially when Obama, Hillary and Sanders insist it is only due to “hate” and lack of gun control. I worried that they had learned their Islamic terrorism lesson, but I’m happy they didn’t.


    June 12, 2016 at 6:13 pm

  11. I wonder if this will lead to any fraying of the coalition of the fringes?

    Nevertheless, many on the Right are still completely clueless as to the nature of the modern Politically Correct left. The PC Left is not objectively for gay rights, tranny rights, migrant rights, tolerance toward Islam etc. Their primary motivation is hatred towards America and conservatives. Any group that is useful in breaking down and eroding the traditional American nation they will support. It doesn’t really matter that some of these fringe groups might not get along; the point is that they are helpful in destroying the fabric of American society. With the modern PC Left they aren’t really for anything, they just hate America.

    For a historic parallel think back to the Second Punic War between the Romans and Carthaginians.


    June 12, 2016 at 6:32 pm

    • I thought fringes, by definition, couldn’t form coalitions. That means they weren’t fringe-y after all.


      June 12, 2016 at 7:11 pm

    • Oh god, this coalition of the fringes business is such crap. Mindless parotting of Steve Sailer. The Democratic Party is NOT made up of an unstable coalition of fringe Americans, sorry, not true. It’s a very powerful alliance between urban swots (gay and straight, uni-educated Reform Jews), blacks, Latinos, Asians, and Big Business. If Trump or a successor can manage to peel off the working class white vote, I think they are in trouble, but for now, they have the Electoral College. This is not a coalition of the fringes.

      The real coalition of the fringes was the Republican Party before Trump, with Beltway bullshit artists, neocons, trucons, etc.


      June 12, 2016 at 11:03 pm

      • no, it’s a coalition of the fringes. The blacks, latinos, asians, muslims, gays, trannies and urban liberals work together against whitey but they really do not like each other. The coalition only survives as long as liberal whites are numerous enough to run it. Everywhere the Democratic party comes under black control it becomes “the black party” and so it will eventually be for Asians and Latinos… if the US doesn’t break up or have some type of political revolution before then, that is.

        Otis the Sweaty

        June 13, 2016 at 12:05 am

      • OtS, I keep telling people to read American Nations by Colin Woodard. Read it and report back to us, OK?


        June 13, 2016 at 9:08 am

      • Gothamette,

        They are fringe groups because, on their own, they cannot sustain or run anything. It’s a perfect parasite that, when it kills is host, will result in all of America looking like Detroit.

        A sustained economic crash will result in much of urban America exploding into violence that will probably burn down entire cities. Whoever is not killed in the violence will die from disease when the local power grid goes down. That’s why the Democrats need to keep the white majority under control. Otherwise, the low-trust, low-IQ society democrats form would not be able to survive.


        June 13, 2016 at 10:14 am

      • @map,
        The so-called Coalition of the Fringes is supported by the entire capitalist business infrastructure. When I take money out of a Chase machine, I am reminded that June is LGBT month. Chase also has programs encouraging women to work in non-traditional occupations (i.e., to encroach on the one area where men still have an advantage: the skilled trades). They will fail because women don’t want to do these jobs, but they do it.
        The business elite, as well as the Ivy League/BigLaw/MBA elite, are liberals. Look up what classical liberalism is, OK?
        This is not a coalition of the fringes. This is modernity, pure and simple.


        June 13, 2016 at 2:46 pm

      • I think calling it a coalition of the fringes is fairly accurate, but it’s nothing new. The Democratic Party has been that way for almost a century, since the New Deal coalition formed. Remember, they actually kept blacks, civil rights activists, and segregationists in the same party for decades. Fringe? Yes. Unstable? No. Their basic unifying issue is, as Samuel Gompers said about the labor movement; “more.” As long as everyone lines up to get their cut, they can hold a coalition that together that includes gays and Muslims.

        The Republican coalitions are not fringe. Middle class and religious folks are millions of people, but their interests diverge and are contradictory. That’s why there is a Republican Civil war going on right now. There is no unifying goal for the right. Not even stop Hillary is enough to do it.

        Mike Street Station

        June 13, 2016 at 3:17 pm

      • @Mike Street Station,
        “I think calling it a coalition of the fringes is fairly accurate, but it’s nothing new. The Democratic Party has been that way for almost a century, since the New Deal coalition formed.”
        If the Democratic Party is a coalition of the fringes then why is the white working class — a key constituent of this — such a prize?
        BTW I think when Sailer uses the phrase, he means the Dem. Party w/OUT the WWC.


        June 13, 2016 at 6:22 pm

      • @gothamette

        I don’t think the white working class is such a prize anymore. They used to belong fairly securely with the Democrats until the post 1968 Democratic party started to go full retard. Then they became “Reagan Democrats.” The Republicans started to pick up the cultural cache of WWC but not the issues, which they had no interest in. Amazingly, the Republicans got away with it until 2012, when the working class just started to drop out of politics. The Democrats didn’t want them since they had worked out a political strategy in which white working class interests were a bug not a feature.

        Until Trump. With 17 primary candidates, he was the only one speaking to their issues. As you can see from the Republican Civil War that’s been waged for the past year, the GOPe doesn’t want their issues either, so much so that they would rather lose than compromise on them.

        And yeah, Sailer isn’t counting the white working class as part of the coalition of the fringes since they got the boot from the party years ago.

        Mike Street Station

        June 14, 2016 at 10:16 pm

      • @Mike Street Station,

        I gotta run to work so can’t discuss the CoTF in detail but briefly,

        “As you can see from the Republican Civil War that’s been waged for the past year, the GOPe doesn’t want their issues either, so much so that they would rather lose than compromise on them.”

        Kaus has been talking about this for a long time. I can’t cite the URL but several times he’s written that if the GOP wants to survive, it will have to take the concerns of the WWC seriously. And if they want to do that, they will have to put up with some attitudes that they hate, such as higher taxes on the rich, pro-private enterprise unions, a favorable attitude towards Social Security, etc. In other words the exact opposite of socially liberal fiscally conservative. The WWC is socially conservative (yes, still, I don’t believe they really approve of gay marriage), and fiscally liberal.

        “And yeah, Sailer isn’t counting the white working class as part of the coalition of the fringes since they got the boot from the party years ago.”

        Yes, they got the boot (do you remember “So Long White Boy?” in Slate? I make a practice not to link to them, so you should look it up), but they haven’t gone anywhere yet. Nasty Nate Silver just did an analysis in the Times about how Obama really did get the WWC vote. Of course it was couched in bemoaning just how damn many white voters there are, but it’s true. And anyway you are just talking about Presidential elections. There are many other elections in the US. The white electorate dominates most of them. And Dems do their share of winning. I agree, if whites really do desert the Democratic Party it will truly be a CotF, but not yet.


        June 15, 2016 at 9:29 am

      • @gothamette

        I read Mickey Kaus (although not regularly) but I think his point assumes that the GOP establishment wants to adapt and survive. After the past year, I’m not sure that’s the case. They fought the Tea Party tooth and nail for six years and I would have to say, finally defeated them with the passing of the last Omnibus spending bill. So from their perspective, they beat the fiscal conservatives, how hard could Trump be?

        Well now their choice is to get behind Trump and make the best of it or actively work against him to make sure that Hillary wins. And it looks like they’ve chosen…Hillary over Trump. And I think it’s because the stakes are much higher than with the Tea Party. Virtually everything on Trump’s agenda is anti –donor, and for people who make a living in politics, that’s bread and butter. So in this case, Trump winning is a far worst disaster than Hillary winning. With Hillary, the gravy train rolls on.

        So since the white working class agenda is the Trump agenda, the white working class is problematic as our leftist friends might say. Republicans were glad to have them when they could throw “abortion!” or “gay marriage!” at them, but with all of those issues lost, the white working class wants some economic payback and that’s a bridge too far for the establishment.

        Mike Street Station

        June 15, 2016 at 1:50 pm

  12. This will help to shore up the gay prole vote. Don’t laugh, they exist. The two most conservative men that I ever met were two gay proles that lived together and ran their own auto body shop. My wife and I always went to them because they were cheap and honest. The one was an ex firefighter and a Vietnam Vet. They were members of the John Birch Society and were big fans of Pat Buchanan. They spoke constantly about ending the federal reserve, boosting military defense spending, and how blacks ruined their beloved city of Baltimore. They even had other gay friends who were like this. And they were against gay marriage because they felt it would be bad for society, and that it went against the whole reason for being gay, which in their estimation was to have a free life unobstructed from the neurosis of women – whom they hated! Strange but true.


    June 12, 2016 at 7:56 pm

    • Just because they stick their penis into the wrong orifice doesn’t mean that gays can’t have common sense opinions on immigration and blacks.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      June 12, 2016 at 8:16 pm

    • ” which in their estimation was to have a free life unobstructed from the neurosis of women – whom they hated! ”
      How do you know this – by mental telepathy, or did they tell you? If the latter, was your wife around?


      June 12, 2016 at 10:56 pm

    • another thing, how would being gay married introduce the neurosis of women into a union between two men? Your whole story sounds made up.


      June 12, 2016 at 10:59 pm

      • It doesn’t sound made up to me. I’ve known homos who were surprisingly conservative if not right wing.


        June 13, 2016 at 5:01 am

      • You are right that how I phrased that does not make sense. I meant to say that they felt that marriage itself was a bourgeoise/middle class concept that they thought was stifling. They felt that living a homosexual life was more bohemian and liberating. They used those very terms as they were educated men. As far as hating women goes, it was usually directed at past co-workers or their overbearing mothers, the latter of which I assume played a part in their not wanting to be straight. They spoke about this on several occasions while I was waiting for my car and my wife was not around. They did seem to like my wife though.


        June 13, 2016 at 6:59 am

    • On the other hand, in 1992 on a wall at Boalt law school I saw a hot pink poster titled, “The Gay Agenda,” whose item #10 read, “To Turn Western Civilization Inside Out!” That’s more in line with Tanabear’s analysis.


      June 13, 2016 at 12:53 am

      • Amazing! Imagine seeing such a thing at Boalt today. Safe space!

        Sagi Is My Guru

        June 13, 2016 at 9:49 am

    • @B.T.D.T,
      OK, that cleared it up. There is a strong current of misogyny among gays, which they get a pass on. I can never understand why women don’t see this. “They felt that living a homosexual life was more bohemian and liberating.” Which is why I think that there is no such thing as a truly gay conservative – they should be described more as libertarians. I

      He cleared it up. Re: gay conservatives, see above. Gay conservatives are libertarians, who like us are fed up with civilization killing effect of underclass blacks and rampant immigration. That’s good, but it’s not really conservative in the sense of wanting to preserve our great culture for posterity. Truthfully they would love to destroy traditional society for their own ends, which would be to live in an all-male heaven with no sexual constraints. After a certain age most of them realize this is impossible, so they arrive at a position of “don’t tread on me” libertarianism. I’ve seen this a lot.


      June 13, 2016 at 9:17 am

  13. From the Treehouse:

    “Omar Mateen worked for a security firm under contract to the Department of Homeland Security called G4S. Mateen was licensed as a security guard and also holds a firearms license. G4S, a global security firm with an office in Jupiter. The same company is used by DHS to move illegal aliens around the country.”

    Dayum. Homeland security trained him to shoot. That’s lovely.


    June 12, 2016 at 8:37 pm

  14. Does anyone else here thinks it’s kind of weird that one guy could shoot 103 people? I don’t mean to go all Alex Jones here, but this sounds like bullshit to me. Granted, some of the victims may have died in a stampede, or by friendly fire, but he had to have shot a lot of them.

    I don’t buy this. There were other gunmen, or he tossed grenades, or both.


    June 12, 2016 at 10:57 pm

    • I don’t mean to go all Alex Jones here, but….

      You have a very big but.

      The details will be established. Crowded, trapped location. Plenty of ammo.


      June 13, 2016 at 2:02 am

      • Actually, I diet and exercise every day, and have a medium sized but.

        OK, you explained it. One man can kill a lot of people in a crowded area. Plus I read that in a loud nightclub people first thought it was firecrackers going off and didn’t think much of it.

        Why were all the victims Hispanic? Just the demographics of Orlando, or was that a gay Hispanic club?


        June 13, 2016 at 9:20 am

      • Crowded, trapped location. Plenty of ammo.

        Like “shootin’ fish in a barrel!”

        E. Rekshun

        June 13, 2016 at 11:03 am

      • “Why were all the victims Hispanic? Just the demographics of Orlando, or was that a gay Hispanic club?”

        It was latin night

        Mike Street Station

        June 13, 2016 at 3:29 pm

    • Depends on the layout of the club. After the initial barrage of bullets, I imagine everyone went running. Some of those people probably had the good fortune to run towards an exit, while others would have run towards areas without any exit (bathrooms, offices, store rooms) that would have become death traps where the shooter could have easily and effortlessly amassed large numbers of kills.


      June 13, 2016 at 4:27 am

    • If you look at the time lines things become clearer.

      The witness said this started at 2am at last call.
      The nightclub put up a Facebook post (!) at 3am telling everyone to get out
      The police storm the place at 6am.

      He clearly had a lot of time.

      Also clear is how the story got out so quickly- he was on the phone and “pledged intelligence” to ISIS and Islam. If that was on the 911 dispatch there is no way they could cover it up and hence we didnt have the days of “work place violence” mis reporting.

      Lion of the Turambar

      June 13, 2016 at 7:32 am

      • Alright, Alex Jones conspiracy theories in the trash can but….he enters club at 2:03 a.m. FB puts up post at 3 a.m. Couldn’t some guys have formed groups to tackle him? I’m not trolling here – this is an HBD site so does anyone honestly think that if he had done this in a straight bar, that straight guys would naturally form groups/coalitions, to try to tackle the maniac even though he was armed. Bataclan had several gunment, so impossible.

        Why did the police storm the place 3 hours after the FB post???


        June 13, 2016 at 9:23 am

      • Gothamette,

        A man with a gun can control a hundred unarmed men. This is why the government is desperate to ban guns. No, you are not going to get honchos organized to overrun what is essentially a fortified position. The best scenario is to run away as quickly as possible.

        The primary purpose of police forces is officer safety.


        June 13, 2016 at 10:29 am

      • gothamette,

        Remember that it was Latin Night, which in Orlando probably means mostly Puerto Ricans. If it had been a normal anglo gay crowd there might have been more resistance. Also keep in mind the attack occurred at closing time, so most of the crowd would have been either drunk or high.


        June 13, 2016 at 5:41 pm

      • 2 o’clock is not closing time in a gay bar. It’s not even close to closing time and a straight bar. In my younger days I used to stay up until 4 a.m.

        You’re right about them being drunk and high.


        June 13, 2016 at 6:05 pm

      • It depends on the state. In NYC, closing time was 4 AM, but it was only 1 AM in Arizona and 2 AM in Philadelphia.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        June 13, 2016 at 9:50 pm

      • Public spaces are mandated to have fire doors that open out. If crowds were rational and acted to maximize the well being of their members than it wouldn’t matter. People would just back up from the exit far enough to allow the door the be open and people could escape in an orderly maner. But the fact is there are numerous documented cases of crowds pushing up against exits and large numbers of people dying.

        It’s a form of a collective action problem something that comes up again and again at all levels of organization.


        June 13, 2016 at 6:00 pm

      • @Magnavox

        The whole point of fire exits is that you don’t have to move out of the way of the door. Just push and go.


        June 14, 2016 at 12:33 am

  15. The father exculping islam and inculping alleged gay lascivous gay behaviour made an extremely vicious comment.

    In Corsica , however the people don’t like gays, it would certainly be an ipso verbo death sentence for him ,because familles would die to take revenge. he would finish burnt in a barrel with gazoline ….

    Bruno from Paris

    June 13, 2016 at 5:25 am

    • @map, ” No, you are not going to get honchos organized to overrun what is essentially a fortified position”
      Granted, a man with a gun in an enclosed space is lethal and terrifying, but this is not the textbook definition of a fortified position. Presumably, there were men behind him and to the side of him, but no one had the presence of mind to tackle him from the back or kick his legs? During a siege that lasted for three hours? Do you remember the incident on the train in France where 4 guys tackled the terrorist. Okay that terrorist was kind of a schlob, but still.


      June 13, 2016 at 11:52 am

      • I get what you’re saying and I admit it bothers me too that no one tried to rush him. I can’t imagine the guy being able to pull off this kind of slaughter in a country bar.

        Mike Street Station

        June 13, 2016 at 3:31 pm

    • I’m glad I’m not the only one. C’mon, three hours, dozens of people, and not one person tried to take him?


      June 13, 2016 at 6:24 pm

  16. when is the MSM going to start talking about the fact that the cowardly orlando cops waited outside for 3 hours eating doughnuts while Mateen was able to kill many more people inside the club before the cops finally ran out of excuses and had to go inside the nightclub and do their jobs?

    And since the MSM won’t do their jobs, then that is where the online blogosphere comes in, right? Chortle…


    June 13, 2016 at 8:08 am

  17. Clearly either ideologically motivated or directly planned. No one man can shoot 100+ people with a semi-auto rifle and achieve a 50% kill rate without some training and planning.

    You DO have to reload at some point. Does everybody have a death-wish mentality now?? You attack your attackers!! There are improvised weapons everywhere.

    Democrats immediately call for Citizen disarmament instead of encouraging vigilance and defensive thinking among the population in wartime…and people wonder why Trump is going to win this election?

    Most people, waaaay down in their souls still want to live and not go gently into that night like a good little SJW drone.


    June 13, 2016 at 10:52 am

    • You just point and shoot. And if no one bothers to attack you because they are chicken, then you can just keep reloading. I assume he had a bunch of pre-loaded clips with him. It doesn’t require great training.

      • I don’t doubt he came in with plenty of pre loaded magazines (not clips) but it takes time to eject a magazine, and fish out a new one, push it in, pull back the charging handle to load….there was time between magazines to have rushed the guy. Particularly if you know you are going to be popped if you let him finish reloading.

        Mike Street Station

        June 13, 2016 at 3:34 pm

      • To kill 50 people, he would have had to reload a minimum of 4 times, unless he was getting repeated one shot kills at point blank range (which would make him vulnerable to being grabbed or assaulted with an object).

        Most shooters get nowhere near this kill count, his training definitely helped.


        June 13, 2016 at 5:15 pm

    • That’s the key, gun-free zones are, evidently, killing grounds.


      June 13, 2016 at 6:33 pm

  18. “LotB and many others discuss living in Manhattan. According to the NYT, Jersey City seems like a very good, more affordable alternative (and it’s nearly perfectly, mathematically diverse). What do our NYC folk think about living in Jersey City?”

    I lived in Jersey City, though it was fifteen years ago so my information is out of date.

    The weird problem with living in Jersey City is the corruption. Hudson County is absurdly corrupt, even by New York City standards. The way this affects people living there is that it is hard for legitimate businesses to get the required licenses or permits to operate. So there are just not that many legitimate businesses. While living in Jersey City, I wound up doing my grocery shopping in Manhattan and taking the groceries back on the PATH. Again, this may have changed.

    Also, when I lived there, the PATH ran really often, and well, during rush hour and pretty much disappeared at other times.

    I keep hearing that Jersey City will be the next place in the NYC area to gentrify, and on paper this makes sense if you don’t know about the corruption, but I kept on hearing this fifteen years ago when I lived there. For whatever reason, it never happens.


    June 13, 2016 at 11:16 am

    • Corruption or not, Jersey City is gentrifying at a crazy pace. Hipsters everywhere. In the Heights too, not just Grove St. I can’t really complain. Not that anyone ever gave me a hard time, but cute white hipster chicks are more attractive than baby mamas.


      June 13, 2016 at 4:14 pm

    • There is a cool bar in JC that features 80’s arcade games.


      June 14, 2016 at 2:23 am

  19. I don’t think this was really ISIS inspired. Yes, I know he called up and said he pledged allegiance to ISIS but I think it was a toxic brew of Prislam (he had a Black Muslim imam), Islam, steroids, and rage.


    June 13, 2016 at 1:32 pm

  20. So long as ISIS concentrates its firepower on the heterophobic GayKK, they have my full support.

    Je suis Omar Mateen!


    June 13, 2016 at 4:48 pm

  21. The series of bureaucratic failures which preceded this great fiasco is almost as favorable for Trump as the immigration angle is. Mateen’s case file was throwing red flags left and right but he was still left untouched by the blundering, PC Civil Service/law enforcement complex.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    June 13, 2016 at 5:18 pm

  22. Trump may well be blowing it, not with his base, but with independents and undecided voters.

    During the primaries Trump called for banning all Muslims from entering the country. Now he has backed down to only banning Muslims from immigrating to the USA.

    At the core, both of these are silly ideas that only serve to validate the narrative of ISIS and Al Qaeda, thus encouraging more terrorist attacks.

    Omar Mateen parents immigrated to the USA from Afghanistan in 1986, long before 9/11. This was during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. The CIA was training and supplying arms to the Mujahideen resistance fighters. In 1986 (Regan administration) the Mujahideen where US allies. The Mujahideen today have morphed into the Taliban. Surprise, surprise, Omar’s parents are pro-Taliban.

    This is blow-back from the Carter/Regan policy of supporting Islamic extremist to fight the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Al Qaeda and the 9/11 attacks were part of the blow back too.

    Trump came right out and tried to exploit the attack for political purposes. Many people will see right through that. Even if Trumps ban on Muslim immigration had been in effect sine 9/11, it would have done nothing to prevent the Orlando attack since he was born in the USA and his parents immigrated in 1986.


    June 13, 2016 at 6:45 pm

    • As usual, your comment make no sense. Please put a bit more effort into what you write. Thanks.


      June 13, 2016 at 10:14 pm

    • I think you’re right that a temporary ban has the potential anger people and probably wouldn’t have much long term effect on the total number of muslims and so it may end up doing more harm than good. But a permanent ban would be a great thing even if it only reduces and doesn’t eliminate all future muslim terrorism. That’s obviously asking too much. Even if there were no such thing as muslim terrorism I would still support a permanent ban purely to support social cohesion (but there is also terrorism, general dysfunction, and racial diversity that also undermines cohesion).

      What I would love to see is just a standing offer of $50,000 to renounce citizenship available to anyone who is or descends from a post 1965 immigrant. That would get a lot of these people when they’re just in their alienated loser period before they decide to become violent.


      June 13, 2016 at 10:15 pm

  23. I don’t appreciate the anti-Semitism in it.

    Lion of the Blogosphere

    June 13, 2016 at 9:53 pm

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