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Do 400,000 Muslims in the U.S. support Islamist violence?

Byron York writing in the Washington Examiner:

Pew found that 81 percent of the nearly 3 million Muslims in the United States said such violence is never justified. Five percent said it is rarely justified; 7 percent said it is sometimes justified, and 1 percent said it is often justified. Six percent said they didn’t know.

One can read those numbers reassuringly — 81 percent disavow jihadist violence — or one can read them alarmingly. Trump reads them alarmingly. If Pew’s numbers are correct, then 13 percent of the Muslims currently in the United States believe Islamist violence is justified in at least some cases. Given the current Muslim population of the U.S., that’s just under 400,000 people.

I think the numbers are actually higher. I strongly suspect that a lot of Muslims know that it’s wrong to let outsiders know what they really think about this topic, so they don’t tell the pollsters what the really think.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

June 18, 2016 at 9:19 AM

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  1. The Islamophobia in America is astounding and contradictory. Muslims find the United States congenial to their existence, because it’s one of the few places in the Western World, where one could practice their religion and not assimilate into the mainstream. Remember, Meriprolestan is a vast, disparate country of different cultures, ideologies, etc. NYC is the microcosm of the macro. The Prole Majority in America doesn’t want anything to do with non-Whites, and thus America serves its sole purpose, of housing isolated pockets of people, with self sufficiency.

    The opposite holds true for France, where citizens should assimilate into French cultural norms, and Muslims do not want to do the same. Prole Whites who want America to be remain White are barking up the wrong tree. They should head back to the Old World and join their brethren as Germans, Spaniards, Italians etc….or create separate White nation states within the big vast land, we call the USA.


    June 18, 2016 at 10:25 AM

    • The thing is non-white nations tend to be rather unpleasant (with a few exceptions in the Far East). If people from Mexico and Central America immigrate en mass they bring with them corruption and dysfunction from those countries. If there was only a small amount of immigration then people would be forced to assimilate but with mass immigration they can form their own corrupt , dysfunctional communities within the USA. Because of social programs they become a parasite on the people who are paying taxes.

      There hasn’t been mass immigration from Muslim countries yet, but the few that are here cause a disproportionate amount of trouble. Heaven forbid Muslim start immigrating at the same rate as Mexicans.

      It isn’t about race, it is about culture. Russia is also very corrupt and dysfunctional as is Greece and some Eastern European countries. Mass immigration from these places would lead to the same type of problems, but it is not happening. Just a select few immigrated from Russia and they are probably smarter than average.


      June 18, 2016 at 12:31 PM

      • And yet the average American is very fascinated with NYC, a hodge podge or cesspool of multiculturalism. It seems like every White person with $$$ wants to live in NYC.


        June 18, 2016 at 1:36 PM

      • Populations of European and Northeast Asian descent can sustain First World economies. It is not yet clear that any other type of population can sustain such economies. The most promising other type of populations are Southeast Asians.

        Culture is an epiphenomenon. What is behind culture are genes. So yes, it is about race or genetics at any rate. Having said that though it is probably true that a cultural practice like cousin marriage which is common in the Middle East lowers the average IQ perhaps 5 points or so. So if the people of South Arabia ceased to practice cousin marriage their average IQ would probably rise from the low 80’s to the high 80’s. This would improve things in that area but is probably still too low to sustain a society similar to European or East Asian societies.


        June 20, 2016 at 10:48 AM

    • Why don’t YOU go back to wherever the fuck YOU are from? It’s incredibly disrespectful to come to a country with this kind of attitude. The Europeans created what America is, and once they are removed from power it will descend into a hellhole without even the coherent culture of a Latin America or India or Thailand. It will be a nihilistic shithole.

      Just Speculating: Exhibit A why people who don’t want to assimilate shouldn’t be allowed in the country. It’s one thing for us Europeans to criticize, but you have no right. I’m sure you’d love living in your rice paddy or sand dune or wherever the fuck you came from before you got on your high horse.


      June 19, 2016 at 1:54 AM

      • Again, I’ve been saying that Meriprolestan wasn’t my calling and so I left. Either you get away from a cesspool or clean it up. White Americans aren’t doing either.


        June 19, 2016 at 1:31 PM

    • “Whites . . . should . . . create separate White nation states within the . . . USA”

      They did. It was called Antebellum Unites STATES. Lincoln blew it up in order to get rich off railroads.


      June 19, 2016 at 7:43 PM

      • The south was less white than the north. Lincoln wanted to send the slaves back to Africa. He though slavery was evil. The south rebelled because they wanted to keep their slaves.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        June 19, 2016 at 9:04 PM

      • “The south rebelled because they wanted to keep their slaves.”

        The South rebelled because there was no economical means of producing cotton at the time aside from plantation labor, mostly slave. That and there was no reasonable means of maintaining the black population of the time in any kind of an economy other than a plantation economy much less maintaining necessary social controls over that population (they were crime ridden then as now). In the end, after the war both sides simply looked the other way as approximately 25% of the slave population was allowed to starve to death).

        Lincoln could not have cared less about the slaves nor slavery though he is to be commended for wanting to colonize them elsewhere.


        June 20, 2016 at 2:28 AM

      • Wrong, Lincoln was opposed to slavery. That’s what he ran under, that’s why he was elected.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        June 20, 2016 at 8:27 AM

      • Lincoln ran on a platform promising the continuation of slavery in slave states. He even aquiesed in the Corwin Amendment to the Constitution that would have made slavery perpetual. When warned that war would likely lead to mass death of blacks from starvation, as it in fact did, he responded ‘root hog or die.’


        June 20, 2016 at 10:25 AM

    • Do you think whites will be allowed to create their own white states within the US? Are you kidding me? What planet do you live on? That’s what white separatists want and they are treated like they are nuts.

      Pretty soon the govt will have neighborhoods that have 1 house white, 1 black, 1 hispanic, 1 gay, 1 Muslim..
      This will be enforced by the govt like kids were made to sit boy-girl-boy-girl in assemblies so they wouldn’t talk to each other.

      It may become illegal for whites to mate with whites or at least frowned upon. White people will be outed as racist if they marry another white person.

      You laugh, but nobody thought the govt would force them to interact with blacks if they didn’t want to.

      The elites don’t want anything to do with non-whites either.


      June 20, 2016 at 12:07 AM

  2. What percent of those Muslims are Black?


    June 18, 2016 at 1:39 PM

  3. >>I think the numbers are actually higher. I strongly suspect that a lot of Muslims know that it’s wrong to let outsiders know what they really think about this topic, so they don’t tell the pollsters what the really think.<<

    It's called Taqiyya. Deception in the cause of Islam. Muslim's are enjoined by the Koran to keep their true intentions secret from the unbelievers so as to advance the cause of Islam.

    Liberals believe that every white man will lie to them about everything under the sun but that Muslims are always innocent, naive and truthful, and their utterances should be taken at face value – except in those occasions when they are caught on tape fulminating and raging, and calling for death to the unbeliever, then the liberal will say that we are hearing their words out of context, whatever that context may be.


    June 18, 2016 at 4:04 PM

  4. Islam is the religion of low IQ people. Just look at the world map of where Islam prevails. For this reason Islam will never take root amongst European peoples. Generally, Europeans are too smart and skeptical to buy into Islam . Same with east Asians (a few exceptions: Albanians and Bosniaks. But it is questionable on whether Albanians are even true Muslims. It is known that in some Albanian families the boys are raised as Muslims but the girls as Catholics. And Bosniaks are descended from the dumbest of Serbian hillbillies, and it seems like they were drifting away from Islam until the Wahhabis started spreading their influence there.)

    There is a theory floating around the HBDsphere that one of the reasons for the advanced IQ of Ashkenazi Jews is because of the intellectual demands placed upon aspiring Rabbis, and ordinary literate Jews too (and there have always been lots of Rabbis amongst the Orthodox) who had to master the casuistry of Talmudical esoterica. The star Rabbis who excelled in this stuff received the highest rewards of the community, not the least of which was being married to the rich man’s daughter, and siring many children, passing on his smart genes in relative abundance. But Islamic law is just as much convoluted gobbledegook as Talmudic law has ever has been, and, likewise, star Imans have been rewarded in the Muslim community with the enhancing factor that they could pass on their genes to many more children because of polygamy. If the theory for Jews holds true, why haven’t we seen a general advancement of the IQ of Muslim peoples over the centuries? Some researcher should investigate whether the mean IQ of families that have had lots of Imans is significantly higher than that of the ordinary Muslim.

    If we can raise the mean IQ of Muslim populations can we defang Islam?


    June 18, 2016 at 7:06 PM

    • Don’t Persians have relatively high IQ? Aren’t the achievents of Islam’s “Golden Age” a result of recently assimulated generations? I don’t think IQ alone can defend from Islam.

      Why Islam stopped at Spain or parts of Africa might be more relevant.


      June 18, 2016 at 10:53 PM

      • Persians do not have relatively high IQs. The mean IQ of Persia is somewhere between 85-90. As far as Islam’s “Golden Age”, that liberals and Islam apologists are always crowing about, don’t you find it curious that any civilization had it’s “Golden Age” in the first decades, or one or two centuries of its founding? The so-called Islamic “Golden Age” was the result of the Arab warrior bands overwhelming huge portions of the Roman and Persian empires, incorporating the population and their achievements of said empires within their own newly established polity. Both the Roman (eastern) and Persian empires of the early 7th century were riding at a very high level of economic and civilizational development. After the initial invasions and conquests the vast majority of the population of these areas did not consider themselves Muslims, nor did they practice Islam. It took several centuries of oppression and second-class citizen status for the majority of the populations of Egypt, Syria, Palestine, Persia, North Africa, Spain, etc…to convert to Islam, and what has been the result since? 10 centuries of desultory stupefaction, with the occasional bright spot here or there.

        And even their famous martial prowess and courage has been nullified by superior western martial technology.

        The closest that you or I could get to what it is like living in a Muslim society/civilization would be to get stoned on weed first thing in the morning and maneuver through the day. Islam is only a threat to us if we allow it to be, and why are we allowing this?


        June 18, 2016 at 11:58 PM

      • America saw its golden age after 2 centuries, so what does that tell you, and it’s now regressing? You and other fail at your argument.

        Muslim envoys sent to China in the Middle Ages, refused to bow to its emperor. The Chinese were stupid enough to believe that their ruler was a divine figure, mandated by heaven.


        June 19, 2016 at 1:54 PM

      • Daniel – I believe that only about half the population of Iran are Farsi speakers. The next most widely spoken languages are Kurdish and Azeri.


        June 20, 2016 at 11:01 AM

    • Daniel – According to Greg Cochran the proportion of Miedeval Jews who were Rabbis was far too low to account for Ashkenazi IQ by means of this mechanism. However the Miedeval Jewish population was entirely urban and restricted to certain occupations. Urban areas in general select for higher IQ and the occupational specialization of Jews also selected for higher IQ.

      All over the world urban areas have higher average IQ’s than surronding rural areas. Before the 19th century 90% at least of the European population was rural. So if Miedeval Jews had had average IQ’s no greater than urban gentiles of the time they still would have had averge IQ’s considerably greater than the gentile average as 90% of the gentile population were peasants and serfs.


      June 20, 2016 at 10:58 AM

    • Daniel – By far the most effective way to raise the average IQ in the Middle East would be to end the practice of cousin marriage.


      June 20, 2016 at 11:03 AM

  5. My Tajiks and Chechens learn about the future victory of Islam, the caliphate, and that the CIA and the Mossad are responsible for 911. I ask them and this is what they tell me. Religion of peace, indeed.


    June 18, 2016 at 10:08 PM

  6. 400K Muslims spread out in the USA will not create terrorism. However tightly-knit Muslim enclaves will create terrorism. I am concerned about the Muslim enclaves in Minneapolis, Dearborn, and Queens. In these communities you have conservative tightly knit enclaves with multiple mosques and madrassahs.

    As demonstrated in previous posts radical Islam is cultivated by Muslim communities. Its not something Muslim youth pick up on the internet. This means you need a conservative Muslim enclave as a precursor to terrorist attacks.

    So as a Muslim community grows the number of terrorists it produces grows EXPONENTIALLY. So if a Muslim community doubles in size, the number of terrorists it produces with quadruple.

    NOTE: there are very few if no Persian terrorists in USA even though there is a Persian Muslim enclave in LA area. That’s because Persian Muslim community is liberal, fun loving, and materialistic.


    June 20, 2016 at 11:28 AM

    • And yet all the terrorists attacks committed by Muslims in the United States are even linked to places such as Dearborn, MI, which by the way has the largest Shia community. Shias don’t go on a rampage like the Sunnis.

      Furthermore, Iranians are Shites as well!


      June 20, 2016 at 1:21 PM

      • * aren’t even linked


        June 20, 2016 at 1:22 PM

  7. And yet the average American is very fascinated with NYC, a hodge podge or cesspool of multiculturalism. It seems like every White person with $$$ wants to live in NYC.

    The average American could care less about NYC, contrary to what you or Lion may think.

    If the average American loved the idea of living in NYC so much then why would they be so eager to move out and let it be overrun by people of foreign origin?


    June 20, 2016 at 12:05 PM

    • Because the rent is too damn high. Who can afford to live here except for investment bankers and BigLaw partners?

      • The rent is a lot cheaper when 12 people are living in the apartment (although this phenomenon applies mostly to the outer boroughs).

        Lewis Medlock

        June 20, 2016 at 2:16 PM

      • Young women, plenty of them, who split rent with other women in Manhattan.


        June 20, 2016 at 2:50 PM

      • The rent is definitely too high (you can thank rent controls for that) but Camlost is right. NY is only important to lefties and people who live there; most of whom are lefties. The only reasons anyone ever gives to live there are restaurants, museums and theater. That’s all well and good. But there’s good food everywhere. There’s theater and symphony everywhere. I’ve probably seen the Met perform a couple of dozen times but never in NY. The sad truth is that NY is a very unpleasant and unhappy place to live. I can live much better for much less elsewhere. And with much friendlier people who share my attitudes and values. NY has nothing I want and everything I don’t. It’s unfortunate that people struggle to live there when they would have been so much happier and better off somewhere else.


        June 20, 2016 at 2:54 PM

      • A good part of the reason I left New York City was because of the cost. It was getting to the point where paying the rent was becoming a problem.


        June 20, 2016 at 3:23 PM

      • If high rent was the only issue, then wouldn’t Americans make other, cheaper areas of the USA more like Manhattan?

        98% of native White Americans don’t want the kind of density that NYC offers, certainly not after they reach age 25 or get married. They want to live in a house of their own, with a yard and some safe room for their kids. They don’t want to live somewhere overregulated, crowded, noisy, expensive, rude, impersonal and where it’s a colossal pain in the backside to own a car.

        Most Americans think public transportation is for losers.

        You and JS really need to get out more. You shoulda talked to more locals while you were in Reno.

        When my grandmother leaves us her old brownstone in Ridgewood we are selling it immediately, no one in the family will want to live there amongst the 100% FOB immigrants that now inhabit that area.


        June 20, 2016 at 3:44 PM

      • Camlost is lost.

        Manhattan is all about female hypergamy connected to men with high SMV, both in looks and social status, tied very much to wealth. Tinder might be a game changer, but at the moment, good looking alpha males with $$$, is still what most heterosexual men want in their lives.

        Hate to sound like a Social Darwinist, but that’s the truth. No place else in America or perhaps in the Western World, has this kind of extreme arrangement.

        Never listen to anyone, who says Manhattan/NYC is the place to meet women. It’s a complete myth and fabrication. NYC women-post college types (I’m talking about career oriented White women), the same with their greater American counterparts, do not care if you have a self actualizing/interesting life without a “trust fund”. This is bad advice, the same goes for Yakov’s let’s take up a trade that pays a living wage.

        You might have a shot with high prole women, or one of those rare well bred guidettes from the outer boroughs, boasting your middle class salary.

        Lion — It’s time to call Manhattan quits, it’s not your calling or mines!


        June 20, 2016 at 8:34 PM

      • * good looking alpha males with $$$, is still what most heterosexual men wished they could emulate.


        June 20, 2016 at 8:38 PM

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