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Monmouth poll bad news for Trump

Link to poll.

“In a head-to-head contest for president, Hillary Clinton leads Donald Trump by 7 points among registered voters and by 8 points among likely voters.”

The polling took place takes place entirely after the Orlando terrorism incident, and Trump didn’t seem get any boost from it.

The last Monmouth poll, in March, had Clinton ahead of Trump by 10 points, so what Trump gained in April and May he seems to have lost again.

This was a live-interview poll, which means that it undercounts Trump’s true support, but nevertheless, the extent of Hillary’s lead over Trump is bad news.

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Meanwhile, this article at NY Magazine seems to have a good inside scoop about the firing of Corey Lewandowski. All of Donald’s children wanted to get rid of him, but especially Ivanka.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

June 20, 2016 at 8:23 pm

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  1. It’s about time Trump starts listening to Ivanka. I’m sick of Trump’s amateur hour campaign.

    As for Monmouth, they had Trump down 7 but Morning Consult had him down 2 and Gravis had him down by 5. I suspect Trump is actually down by around 5 nationally, and that is coming after some horrible weeks. He is already showing some signs of recovery and hopefully will stop acting like such a jackass over the next month so we can come out of Cleveland with some momentum.

    Otis the Sweaty

    June 20, 2016 at 8:55 pm

    • The media is almost completely against him even the pop media like the comedy talk shows, late night shows and “the view” type shows.

      “Average” people are being brainwashed to see him as the worst person ever.

      Trump’s lack of organization is bizarre. His rallys only talk to his most energized base. He needs to get the bland middle on his side.

      The conventions will matter. And the debates.

      The next president might put 4 people on the supreme court and might legalize 15+ million democrats.


      June 21, 2016 at 5:44 pm

      • “The next president might put 4 people on the supreme court and might legalize 15+ million democrats.”

        Which might be for the best, really. The economy is going to be in recession by the end of next year at the latest and this time there won’t be any pseudo recovery like there was for Obama, just endless Japanese style stagnation. This is a recipe for racial unrest and I am ready to get that ball rolling.

        ““Average” people are being brainwashed to see him as the worst person ever.”

        But the only reason that has any impact is because Trump really is a buffoon. Marine Le Pen, Pim Fotyun or Nigel Farage he is not. He is a clown. During the primaries, that helped him, in the general, however, it is toxic.

        Attacking the racist Mexican judge was the right move because it neutralized Trump University as an issue, but it did cause a drop in his poll numbers that he has only recently started to recover from. Cleveland and the worsening economy should help Trump close the gap another 2 or 3 points but it is going to be very hard for him to catch up by November without a stock market crash and/or 2 or 3 more terrorist attacks.

        Greasy William

        June 21, 2016 at 9:46 pm

      • The media were uniformly anti-Reagan – I knew Reagan was going to beat Carter’s ass, and whoever it was who ran against him – Mondale?

        Yes, demographics were different then, but the other reason was that Reagan wasn’t the cartoon the media made him out to be. With the perspective of years I can see how wrong he was on many things, but he was no Trump buffoon. Do you think he would have covered himself in dreck after something like Orlando? Trump managed to.


        June 22, 2016 at 10:44 am

  2. Meanwhile, this article at NY Magazine seems to have a good inside scoop about the firing of Corey Lewandowski. All of Donald’s children wanted to get rid of him, but especially Ivanka.

    Good news. With Lewandowski gone Manafort is in control of the campaign machinery. The decks are cleared for Trump to return to offense.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    June 20, 2016 at 9:01 pm

  3. So, no terrorism boost for Trump. I’m just guessing here, but I think people are starting to just accept terrorism the way we might accept a tornado or forest fire. Bush and Obama have been overthrowing tyrants and bombing jihadis for like 15 years, and we still have terrorism. People know the Democrats won’t stop importing Muslims, and that outlawing guns won’t happen because of the 2nd amendment and GOP, and that you can’t really keep guns out of the hands of people who want them, anyway. Since there is nothing that can be done to stop terrorism, people don’t consider it when choosing a candidate, so no boost for Trump when one of these monsters massacres 49 innocent people.


    June 20, 2016 at 9:09 pm

    • You have a guy actually pledging alligence to al-Bagdadi while committing workplace violence. In a gun free zone, without an AR, and having passed a background check. Oh and as an added bonus a police officer’s life was saved by the fact that he was wearing “militarized gear”. The “Progressives” as wrong about literally everything. And still Trump manages to lose this issue.

      Its like missing a 6″ putt and continuing on with the Pro Tour. This was as easy as test as he is going to get.

      Lion of the Turambar

      June 20, 2016 at 10:24 pm

  4. NY Magazine, NY Times, college polls…..Lion, you’ve unilaterally disarmed against all the leftist psyops.

    Andrew E.

    June 20, 2016 at 9:28 pm

  5. Lewandowski was apparently an advocate of letting Trump be Trump, which worked in the primaries, but has not worked as Trump tried to switch to general election campaign.

    According to rumor the Trump campaign only has about 30 people, and has not started to create the kind of organization required in swing states.

    Trump has claimed to self-fund his primary campaign. What he actually did was loan his campaign $35 million. He could forgive those loans. There also are reports the Trump campaign is running low on money. Trump has not put much effort into raising money so far and has not agreed to put additional large sums of his own money into the campaign.

    Maybe now with Lewandowski gone, Trump can turn things around, but time is running short. Trump is going to need hundreds of millions for the general election, if not one billion. It is not clear where that money is going to come from. Trump does not have a money raising organization like most candidates. Trump needs to get started building a campaign and money raising organization. .


    June 20, 2016 at 10:01 pm

    • Letting Trump be Trump behavior-wise was smart during the nom. campaign. I adored his shtick w/respect to Bush. Destroyed him completely. But running to be Commander in Chief is a different thing entirely.


      June 22, 2016 at 10:46 am

  6. If you arent going to use the nomination perhaps you dont mind if someone borrows it.

    He hasnt raised any money and it he doesnt even have firm plans to get organized to do so. He doesnt want to spend any money on data analytics. Lewandowski was on conference call this morning so no one knew what was going on- reports that “it is bedlam in the Trump campaign.” And Trump manages to lose 5 points in the polls about a rare issue that he is right about. Yeesh. Even Mavericky McCain managed to run a campaign.

    The only bright spot seems to be Trump can be bought out for somewhere between $150M and $5B and at this point I think a GoFundMe campaign to do so looks like civilizations best shot.

    Lion of the Turambar

    June 20, 2016 at 10:19 pm

    • You make it sound like the conventional Republicans want to win and do good things for the country. Hah, what a joke.

      Andrew E.

      June 21, 2016 at 12:14 am

      • Well they at least have a plan to carry Utah.

        Lion of the Turambar

        June 21, 2016 at 7:23 am

      • Yeah, it’s Operation Cuck Utah: Send in ¡Jeb!


        June 22, 2016 at 3:17 am

  7. To me Trump is just another opportunist and phony fraudster, perhaps in the direction of Bill Clinton in his early presidency, who advocated selective immigration, and look what happened with his stance 20 years later.

    Trump is just another Manhattan Elitist, more elite than the Clintons and the Romneys, combined.

    One of his luxurious apartments with panoramic views of Manhattan:

    The lobby of one of his condominiums for the mega wealthy:

    And these are his main constituents supporting his presidency? Forget about Staten Island Guidos for a moment, how about these Southern Honky Tonks?


    June 20, 2016 at 10:19 pm

    • You don’t like Trump because he criticized muzzies and border bunnies.


      June 20, 2016 at 11:32 pm

      • Trump is a fraudster.

        No elite in America cares for the White demographic, outside of the Northeast and the Left Coast.


        June 21, 2016 at 7:44 pm

      • JS — You contribute nothing worthwhile to this blog. All you do is praise our nation’s enemies while badmouthing America, proles, etc. Thoughtful criticism is one thing. But yours is mindless and repetitive. The quality of this blog would be higher without you.


        June 22, 2016 at 5:27 pm

      • The bottom line is that proles have Stockholm Syndrome.

        I don’t praise American Elites, that’s good enough!


        June 23, 2016 at 8:36 am

  8. Trump will be fine. He can’t keep the high energy up all the time. Hopefully his new manager is raising money and running a traditional campaign.


    June 20, 2016 at 10:52 pm

  9. Lion, an attempt to assassinate Trump.

    Also, I’m distrustful of the polls. They usually ask more lefties than others.


    June 20, 2016 at 11:06 pm

  10. It could be because the victims of the Orlando terrorism incident were gay Latinos. People sympathetic to gays or Latinos or gay Latinos are going to be solid Democrats, while Trump’s support has been based on opposition to immigration and Latinos.


    June 20, 2016 at 11:38 pm

    • Trump loves the Latinos. He’s only opposed to illegal immigration.

      • I mean the voters.


        June 21, 2016 at 2:19 am

    • The fact that most Muslims detest gays just doesn’t compute in the liberal mind. If a terrorist killed gays and minorities then he is guilty of “toxic male privilege” or something, not being Muslim. Another view is that white swing voters in the Mid West don’t feel particularly threatened if terrorists target gays and Latinos so this is not the kind of attack that moves the needle that much.

      Peter Akuleyev

      June 21, 2016 at 3:14 am

  11. If that’s what Ivanka wants, it’s hard to argue. Can she be the candidate instead?

    Greg Pandatshang

    June 21, 2016 at 1:12 am

  12. It took the amazing stupidity of the Chump to fail to get a bounce from the Orlando incident.

    The buffoon started with an I told you so, ain’t I great tweet. He followed up with prole I hate muslim diatribes when intelligent talk about how Islam is inconsistent with Western values would have served him so much better.

    I happen to agree with most of Trump’s immigration positions. But this guy is WAY to stupid to figure out how to articulate them in a manner that will lead to any but the stupidest white trash voting for him.

    Ron S

    June 21, 2016 at 3:27 am

    • I take it you went to college in Boston?


      June 22, 2016 at 3:16 am

  13. Scott Adams has noted that Clinton has pretty much now clinched the nomination and received the endorsement of Obama, so may be getting a bit of a bump, plus there is the lingering bad taste of the Judge Curiel comments and Trump University.

    I think now that they’re past the primary stage Trump would benefit from taking a more centrist approach and not scare the horses. The negatives for Hillary Clinton are huge and if Trump focusses on building the economy (jobs figures are pretty bad, no?) he could win over more women voters while retaining large male support.

    WIth Paul Manafort now in charge as campaign manager I think things will improve.


    June 21, 2016 at 3:40 am

    • 3rd graf, that’s it, basically. What I’ve been saying here all along.

      I think the patriot wing had better hunker down and start to get a clue. Learn from the other side, work on the grass roots. More Dave Brats. Self help. Community organizing, folks!

      Remember Cracker Barrel, and Duck Dynasty? Anyone remember that?


      June 22, 2016 at 10:50 am

  14. It’s pretty apparent to me Trump doesn’t want to win. I don’t know why his supporters can’t see that.


    June 21, 2016 at 6:20 am

    • The worst part is that if he runs a lackluster campaign and loses in November, all the TruCons who thought he was a closet Democrat whose real reason for running was to throw the election for Hillary will feel vindicated.


      June 21, 2016 at 9:02 pm

  15. I say this with all due respect, Lion, but Trump is fucked. Schlonged, even.

    He has had weeks to begin building a national campaign apparatus and doesn’t seem to have done anything. His cash on hand is minuscule and for an alleged billionaire, he’s incredibly unwilling to float his own campaign enough money to even keep from getting buried in an avalanche of Clinton’s swing state attack ads.

    On top of this, he utterly failed to look remotely presidential in the wake of Orlando. Publicly congratulating himself as he did was a terrible mistake. It doesn’t matter if you’re right when you look like a self-serving prick that hopes to benefit from an atrocity. The thinly-veiled glee that Mitt Romney betrayed in the immediate wake of Benghazi completely backfired on him as well because to normal Americans it’s unseemly to seek personal political leverage from such heinous acts.

    It will only get worse. Donald relies on good poll numbers to substantiate his candidacy, and once they turn south, as they are now doing, he tends to compound the problem with whining, overreacting, and denial. He doesn’t have the temperament to deal with a dynamic, high stakes battle like this, which is why most of the damage he’s sustained has been self-inflicted.

    Somebody is going to leak information –legally or not– about Trump’s finances. When the do, the facade will come crashing down. Lying about your personal wealth is truly pathetic, and Trump has taken this charade much further than he probably meant to. Which is worse, a power-hungry billionaire, or a power-hungry pretend billionaire? I say the latter. Hillary will savage him for his falsehoods and for portraying himself so dishonestly. Another consequence of inflating your own wealth in such a grandiose manner is that it is very hard to get people to give you their own money, particularly the donor base of those who have net worths below one billion.

    Trump has some issue stances I agree with, and, I believe, a fairly potent message in “Make America Great Again,” but he has neither the temperament nor the intellect to be the leader of the free world. This reality has been laid bare in the last few weeks. He can’t stay on message, he can’t restrain himself, and he will always look to blame somebody else: the “Mexican” judge, the media, his staff. Narcissist though he is, he’s not psychologically equipped to handle the public colonoscopy that is a modern presidential campaign.

    If you still believe he can win, you had better place your bet now, and bet big.


    June 21, 2016 at 9:21 am

    • Good post. I don’t disagree with anything you wrote, but I still believe that Trump is far better than Hillary. Hillary will definitely be a disaster; there’s no chance she’ll move this country in the right direction. Trump, on the other hand, may be a disaster, but at least there’s a possibility he can bring about some positive changes in immigration, the economy, foreign policy and the Supreme Court. Plus, he holds out the possibility of making some progress against political correctness.

      Lewis Medlock

      June 21, 2016 at 12:17 pm

      • “Trump, on the other hand, may be a disaster, but at least there’s a possibility he can bring about some positive changes in immigration, the economy, foreign policy and the Supreme Court. Plus, he holds out the possibility of making some progress against political correctness.”

        I agree with Jack. We won’t get a chance to see this. But let’s say Jack and I are wrong – he would not be able to change a damn thing, because his political skills are minimal. Unless we can succeed in electing a bunch more David Brat’s, a Trump Presidency would be at best do-nothing, and at worst, open rebellion from radicalized Democrats.

        The PC Overton window has been breached, and that’s a good thing, but that and $2.75 will get you a ride on the subway. It does nothing about real power dynamics.


        June 21, 2016 at 4:20 pm

      • …he would not be able to change a damn thing, because his political skills are minimal.

        He will be able to –

        1 – enforce the laws of immigration and citizenship. nominate the attorney general etc.

        2 – apoint maybe 4 people to the supreme court.

        3 – have significant foreign policy chances visa via Russia, North Korea, NATO etc.

        4 – advance some younger republicans to take over for him and Jeff Sessions against the establishment younger guys Ryan, Rubio, Sasse, etc.

        5 – become a folk hero to an entire generation of younger Americans who are insprired by his American nationalism

        6 – refuse to legalize 15+ million Democrat invaders.

        Little things like that.


        June 21, 2016 at 5:56 pm

      • He won’t be able to do any of that. You are living in a dream world. Everything that you list will be opposed by the Democrats, the courts, big business elite, and SJW shrieking maniacs in the streets. No Rifleman, “we” don’t run this country. They do. “It’s their country now” — L. Auster. He was right. They’ll do anything. They’ll lie and they’ll kill, they’ll teach your kids that abortion & sodomy are sacraments. And the good people are busy stuffing their obese faces and wasting their money on things they don’t need with money they don’t have. Sometimes JS is right.

        Meanwhile, let’s have fun with Youtube, which is featuring this shit:

        Look at the comments. At least we still have Youtube comments!


        June 21, 2016 at 9:13 pm

      • PS I’m really sorry that WordPress has this feature to show the actual video when you link to it. I apologize for any mental trauma caused by watching these ghouls. I think of LoTB as a safe space for patriots/normal people. I violated that by linking to the video. Consider this a trigger warning.


        June 21, 2016 at 9:14 pm

      • Rifleman was right on every single point. I’m surprised anyone would think otherwise.


        June 22, 2016 at 5:13 pm

    • The media is working overtime to create an enormous social cost for being an open Trump supporter. Who is going to answer a live interview question, either on the phone or in public, asking about your presidential choice and admit that they want Trump? Phone interviews ask for you by name and live interviews in public are within earshot of other people. Some even carry cameras. Any live poll is going to be biased toward Hillary Clinton because answering “Hillary” is the safest choice.

      I don’t see why Lewandowski was removed. I hope the the breakup was amicable, but the problem is that such a separation vindicates the opposition’s view of Trump. It would have been better to bench him rather than fire him. Frankly, Ivanka has done nothing but work for her father. She really isn’t qualified to make these kind of decisions.

      Who is Trump going to trust to run his campaign? The same professional set that ran Romney? Trump coming into power potentially upends a power structure. Who wants a stake in that unless they are there to undermine from within?


      June 21, 2016 at 1:04 pm

      • He trusts his children. As far as hiring good managers, he has experience doing that in real estate, so I don’t see why he can’t do the same in politics.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        June 21, 2016 at 1:31 pm

      • Trump should trust guys like me. I would quit my job to work for him and I’m 100% behind him. I would put in in any hours for him and do anything that he needs.


        June 21, 2016 at 1:57 pm

    • Jack is right. I expect that the next few months will be very painful for the nationalist/anti-globalist/patriot wing of the American people.

      Look, I cannot stand Hillary. I voted for Rick Lazio, goddammit. But campaigning to her is second nature. The barbs against her nasty personality have zero effect. She’s got Bill – a two term President. And then she’s running against Donald Trump, who is in over his head. And I suspect he may not really want it.

      We should start to plan for The Day After when the issues that propelled Trump to the nomination will still be with us: immigration and trade. And I’m not with Ann Coulter who said that if he loses we’ll just be homesick for the rest of our lives for the country we lost. I got news for Ann: that country is dead & gone already. I got over my homesickness a long time ago. We have a future to seize.


      June 21, 2016 at 3:59 pm

      • I agree that this country is ruined. I never thought growing up in 60’s and 70’s that this country would be full of immigrants from the 3rd world and turning into a Latin American country with a dab of Islam. Of course, that doesn’t even include are native black population.

        White people are on the run in this country.


        June 22, 2016 at 12:28 am

      • “We should start to plan for The Day After when the issues that propelled Trump to the nomination will still be with us: immigration and trade. And I’m not with Ann Coulter who said that if he loses we’ll just be homesick for the rest of our lives for the country we lost. I got news for Ann: that country is dead & gone already. I got over my homesickness a long time ago. We have a future to seize.”

        I imagine this is much like what old age feels like, when most everyone you knew is dead and the country you were born into, grew up in, and raised a family in is gone and the replacement country is totally unrecognizable.

        But those issues, immigration and trade, won’t have a platform in the post Trump era. Out of 17 Republican candidates, he was the only one who took the positions he did because everyone else was dependent on donors who oppose Trump’s position on both of those issues. So unless there are more renegade billionaires willing to self fund, patriotic positions on immigration and trade are dead. So it’s Trump or…it won’t much matter.

        So I think Coulter is more right on this. On the other hand, I didn’t foresee Trump so maybe there might be other things rolling around that I can’t foresee.

        Mike Street Station

        June 22, 2016 at 10:07 am

      • The reality is that America has evolved into one big corporate conglomerate, in the eyes of the elites, and they love every second of it.

        Corporatism doesn’t care about your background. It just want to use you and get rich with it.


        June 22, 2016 at 7:58 pm

      • White people in the liberal centers are not on the run. Wealth keeps them insulated and they need 3rd world immigration to keep the wheels greased up and running. The rest of the country is Feudal America.

        NYC readers of LoftB have no right to complain about 3rd World immigration. NYC is a cesspool, because its the most profitable for Whites who live there. The black servant and the Hispanic bus boy, construction worker etc…they serve an efficient purpose for the value transference residents of NYC.


        June 22, 2016 at 8:09 pm

    • ….. to be the leader of the free world.

      LOL. Welcome to 1947? or is it 1957?

      Who is the not free world we need our “leader” to protect us from? Cuba? Iran? North Korea?


      June 21, 2016 at 5:48 pm

    • Trump has some issue stances I agree with, and, I believe, a fairly potent message in “Make America Great Again,” but he has neither the temperament nor the intellect to be the leader of the free world.

      Intellect has not a damned thing to do with winning the American presidency. If it were Obama would (still?) be a crack addicted male prostitute wandering around Cleveland, the Lion would be CEO of Goldman, and Scott Adams would be president.

      This reality has been laid bare in the last few weeks. He can’t stay on message, he can’t restrain himself, and he will always look to blame somebody else: the “Mexican” judge, the media, his staff. Narcissist though he is, he’s not psychologically equipped to handle the public colonoscopy that is a modern presidential campaign.

      And he’s still in striking distance of Hillary in swing states and has a surmountable threshold in national polling.

      It’s much too early to be calling this race.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      June 21, 2016 at 6:59 pm

    • Trump speech after Orlando was great and forced even Hillary to take the distasteful words of ‘radical islamism’ in her dead mouth. He’s handled massed establishment attacks for a year now, the media are getting despondent. Hillary can savage nobody’s finances sitting on her vast pile of banker bribes. Melting wax dummy Cruz tried to steal his message but ya know, couldn’t hack it. And so on. So turn down the gaslighting please. Also, stop borrowing his rhetoric. Weak!


      June 22, 2016 at 3:33 am

  16. The good thing is that Trump is a guy who can weather a crisis and can change course. The baseline forecast is that he loses in November, but we still have the VP, the debates, Trump super PAC attack ads, and potential Russian spy leaks on Crooked Hillary. Trump needs some major coups but it’s not time to panic yet. Panic if he’s still well behind in September. The news media being absurdly anti Trump might over-do it, numb people to Trumpophobic propaganda. He needs some lucky breaks but there’s a number of good opportunities for breaks.

    Economic Sophisms

    June 21, 2016 at 10:40 am

  17. Everyone was singing the same lamentations after Cruz won a string of states and the Enquirer story fell apart. Still plenty of time.


    June 21, 2016 at 10:58 am

  18. That poll and all the other polls showing big Hillary leads oversample democrats.
    The Monmouth poll had only 28% Republicans and 34% democrats (plus 38% Independents). They have 6% extra Dems and Hillary leads by 7%? looks like a virtual tie to me. All the fickle commentators who are writing off Trump have no understanding of the ups and downs of campaigns or the unreliability of polls this far out (even if the poll doesn’t oversample Dems). Dukakis was up by 10 points vs. Bush at this point. You remember President wait, there never was a President Dukakis.

    check out this discussion at gateway pundit:


    June 21, 2016 at 12:00 pm

    • That’s what the “unskewed polls” people said the last election, but the polls were right, and Obama was reelected.


      June 21, 2016 at 1:09 pm

    • There have been more Democrats than Republicans in every election since FDR. It’s not an oversample.

      Most people realize that the polls can turn around. Doesn’t change the fact that Trump is behind by several points and will have to do something to change the status quo. In 1988 GHWB beat Dukakis over the head with Willie Horton, etc., to flip things around. Trump should learn from that and start using Clinton’s lame record against her.

      In hindsight, the Orlando shooting’s pre-emption of the speech Trump was going to give on Clinton meant two or three lost weeks from the real battle.


      June 21, 2016 at 1:36 pm

      • Richard,

        If there are more Democrats than Republicans, then what would Trump have to do with the polls to begin with? Such an imbalance is baked into the cake. You are arguing that Trump is doing something wrong in not flipping Democrats to vote for him.


        June 21, 2016 at 9:10 pm

      • map,

        I didn’t say what you claim I argue.

        It’s objective fact that there are more Democrats than Republicans. Party registration is public record, and I don’t think there has been a single year since the Great Depression when more people were registered as Republicans than Democrats.

        Normally, about 10% of claimed Republicans vote for the Democrat (and vice versa), so Republicans have to win by solidly capturing the independent vote. Because Democrats have a party ID advantage there’s a little more leeway for them, and IIRC Obama beat Romney even though Romney actually won the independent vote.

        You’d have to check the polling cross-tabs (which I didn’t) to see where Trump is weak against Hillary. Republican defectors? Not getting the usual amount of Democratic turncoats? Lagging with independents? A combination of two or three? It could well be that Trump is to blame for not flipping more Democrats, but I didn’t say that because I don’t know it to be the case.


        June 22, 2016 at 10:48 am

      • Richard,

        Party registration does not really tell you anything. In blue state cities, you have to be registered as a Democrat just to stay below the radar and get anything done in local government. Furthermore, because it is easy to poll in large urban areas, polls will inevitably over-sample democrats. Look at the range on the RCP: from as slow as +3 to as high as +12 in favor of Hillary. You can only get that wide a spread by poor sampling.

        I knew Romney was going to lose just by looking at him, his platform, his campaign strategy and his debate style.


        June 22, 2016 at 12:29 pm

      • map,

        You’re just pulling random speculations out of your ass to justify shifting the goalposts from “there aren’t more Democrats than Republicans” to “there may formally be more Democrats than Republicans, but it doesn’t count because the Democrats are lying.”

        9 out of 10 RCP polls currently show a Clinton lead of between 3 and 9 points, averaging about 6 points, which is the kind of random noise we’d expect if Clinton really did have a lead of 6 points. One poll showing a 12 point Clinton lead is an outlier and maybe poor sampling is a culprit there, but there’s no evidence of systemic oversampling from mere variation that falls within the MOE of nearly every poll listed there.


        June 23, 2016 at 1:04 am

      • Richard,

        None of this changes the basic problem: in a live interview, a majority will not admit to supporting Trump even if they do. You are also discounting that, unlike the previous polls, these polls are not being followed by an election, like the primaries. They are propaganda. A poll that is being proven wrong by primary results within a week will eventually discredit the poll so the sampling is more careful. A poll trying to predict election results in November is just so much propaganda.


        June 23, 2016 at 11:25 am

  19. In other news at a Trump rally in Las Vegas a mentally ill illegal immigrant tried to grab a gun from a police officer so he could shoot Donald Trump.

    Why isn’t this a big story? Why is the Trump campaign letting the main stream media burring this story? Doesn’t this prove we need the wall?

    Ah, well, illegal immigrant is white guy from UK. Need to build wall along Atlantic coast to keep those pesky illegal Brits out too. Lots of jobs building all these walls.


    June 21, 2016 at 12:27 pm

  20. There are a lot of neocon sympathizers in these comments, admonishing Trump in a lull in the campaign for his mistakes and his “intellect”. It’s weak armchair BS from sour grapes cucks.

    You criticize his intellect after he trounced every one of his GOP opponents almost solely on the back of his verbal IQ. I suppose that if Trump isn’t smart, then at least we might be getting the best of the bunch. And I also suppose you meant to imply that Hillary Clinton is smarter. She isn’t. she’s an old woman with a withered brain and an emotional disorder from too much substance abuse, age, and stress. That’s obvious. She’s bereft of everything that makes a human fit to lead. At least Trump gives the sense that he can process information independently in a manner would enable him to make measured decisions on whatever principle that he holds dear. Trump isn’t free from self-interest, as no candidate has been, but Clinton is an opportunistic psychopath in comparison.

    You criticize, yet Trump has changed the Conservative Party in a manner that no candidate has done in modern history. if not forever, then at least until White people aren’t a thing anymore. He’s widened the Overton Window. He’s split what were prior two parties in name but otherwise indecipherable entities into two very different entities. That’s invaluable. There can be no more pretense as to what cucked values comprises “conservatism” in spite of the majority of the base vehemently disagreeing. The willful ignorance, that any one of your candidates would have perpetuated, is laid bare. Perpetuating the prior illusion of conservatism is more damaging than Hillary Clinton winning. Your cucked candidates would have perpetuated this illusion while forever denying the base a true voice, a process that was leading and would continue to lead to their sociopolitical oblivion.

    If the GOP hadn’t had so much contempt for its own base for so long, Trump would not be running and succeeding – his actual leadership quality now being irrelevant. He’s entirely the result of allowing Neocons (Liberals) to infiltrate and ruin the party. Now there has to be a snap back. If the people who you support in the wider party did not see it coming, after so much subterfuge, and did provide a better candidate to lead it then that is also their fault – and by extension your fault for voting for them.

    And for all of you fags over-using the word “prole” to denigrate the base, you’re entirely too prolish yourselves to be wielding that word. Sop with the masturbatory ego stroking. Your sentiment is the sentiment of all Neocons and wannabe Neocon Cucks: the base is to be ignored because of their worthlessness. We’ll see how it plays out. The last time that I checked, Neocons weren’t popular on either side of the isle.


    June 21, 2016 at 1:00 pm

    • “There are a lot of neocon sympathizers in these comments, admonishing Trump in a lull in the campaign for his mistakes and his “intellect”. It’s weak armchair BS from sour grapes cucks.”

      Fags, cucks….it used to be the left argued by naming, blaming and shaming. That’s a very childish, may I say, girly way to operate, Jon. Grow up.

      “You criticize his intellect after he trounced every one of his GOP opponents almost solely on the back of his verbal IQ.”

      Not really. He’s a terrible debater. He just went on and on and said a lot of amusing things, and broke taboos. His stupid opponents were too flummoxed to mount an effective counterattack. It’s not as if anyone here liked his opponents. They were all unspeakable, in one way or another.

      I stopped reading there. It’s always best to confine comments to several punchy paragraphs and not become hysterical. You lose the reader’s attention.


      June 21, 2016 at 4:24 pm

      • So Jon is wrong that Trump trounced his opponents due to his high verbal IQ. But somehow he flummoxed his stupid opponents. Wut? I guess it is possible that he is stupid but his opponents are even more stupid, but that doesn’t say much for his opponents. Isn’t Cruz supposed to be an Ivy League genius debater?


        June 23, 2016 at 7:28 am

  21. Obama administration redacted references to Islam in Omar’s phone transcripts with police. And then released them after outcry. Hillary’s aide has been given immunity to talk about the emails (meaning he took the 5th for possible illegal activity). A left-wing immigrant tried to shoot Trump. Oh and a Radical Muslim killed 49 Latino gays…

    The events happening in the world are vindicating Trump but he is letting the media set the agenda. Trump needs to speak above the media to the American citizens.


    June 21, 2016 at 1:36 pm

  22. OT, but the Orlando shooter’s wife was apparently in special ed as a kid


    June 21, 2016 at 1:54 pm

  23. I have supported Trump but today’s revelations about the finances of his campaign spells its end. A prole friend today asked “do you think he just stole all his donors money?” I don’t think he did but when people ask that question its usually over. There’s still time to nominate a republican who can win and border security will be part of the platform. But trump is done.

    Paul rise

    June 21, 2016 at 6:56 pm

    • What donors money? Everyone knows he has been essentially self-funding his campaign. What small amounts his supporters did donate had probably all gone into funding his numerous rallies. (Security and rent are not cheap, you know.)

      No other Republican has a better chance of winning at this stage than Trump. Don’t even try.


      June 22, 2016 at 5:50 pm

  24. I think that this week was a tactical setback, but it will eventually pay off for Trump.

    1. The Orlando terrorist attack showed that Trump is right and Obama and Hillary are wrong on terrorism. It’s clear that we do not need any more Muslims in the US, and that Obama and Hillary’s goal to Merkel America is insane. Obama’s Spocklike reaction to gays being massacred and Hillary’s fear of making a definitive statement contrast poorly with Trump’s clear outrage and willingness to stand by his tough proposals.

    Trump’s opponents on the right are similarly deranged. While the Democrats, as the Audacious Epigone pointed out, more or less believe that a floating gun went into the nightclub and murdered gays on its own accord, Paul Ryan has stated that he will sue Trump if he implements the Muslim Ban, but is unwilling to agree on any gun restrictions. So Paul Ryan wants Muslims to come to the US and get their own guns – he’s even worse than the left!

    2. Trump suffered some short term damage from taking a tough stand. He was more visible than Obama and especially Hillary in condemning the attack, in offering solutions and in being willing to compromise on gun rights.

    The problem is, gays and gay rights supporters are not yet supporting Trump. Their mental universe is such that white men are the source of homophobia. They’re still processing that Muslims have their own autochthonous homophobia which is far more virulent than what white Christians have. Gays and their supporters don’t support Trump now, or claim not to, but he’s planted the seeds of their dissension. As more terrorist attacks happen in America and Europe, gays will remember what happened in Orlando.

    The media came out and trashed Trump. Trump for associated with the carnage, usually not directly, but by association. People are debating Trump and his Muslim ban in light of the Orlando terrorist attack. They’re not debating Hillary enabling the rise of ISIS by offing Qaddafi and supporting the forces against Assad. They’re not debating how Obama’s withdrawal of forces from Iraq also enabled ISIS and his military actions against them have been restrained and tepid. Again, this hurts Trump for now but it could pay off later.

    During the debate in South Carolina, Trump came out hard against the Iraq War. The Establishment booed. It hurt Trump then, but since everyone knows the Iraq War was a fiasco, it made the Establishment candidates unpalatable.

    3. What Trump needs to do is to hit Hillary hard. Over the last few weeks, he’s been defending Trump U, his comments about the Mexican judge, and his Muslim ban. Hillary has been drinking cocktails and letting him absorb the heat.

    It’s time for Trump to unleash the blitzkrieg on Hillary’s corruption and terrible judgment. Trump has laid the seeds of his victory, but they can only sprout if he speaks with unwavering severity against Hillary.


    June 21, 2016 at 10:01 pm

  25. Washington Post on why the attempted assassination isn’t bigger news. I think that media bias is a major part – an illegal immigrant trying to assassinate Trump just doesn’t fit the narrative. That said, they are right that Trump could make it more of a story if he wanted to.


    June 21, 2016 at 11:46 pm

    • Basically, Trump has to create his own news because the MSM sure isn’t going to help him. It’s why he made the “congrats” tweet about Orlando. It was probably the wrong choice under the circumstances, but he’s been conditioned to expect that anything that would help him gets scuttled by the MSM unless he gives it a platform himself.


      June 22, 2016 at 10:59 am

  26. Remember that Margaret Thatcher came to power a year before Ronald Reagan. If British nationalists can turn the tide and vote to leave the EU, reclaim their national sovereignty and control of their borders, I believe Trump’s chances will soar. But if the Brexit vote fails, you’re looking at Clinton II.

    Mark Caplan

    June 22, 2016 at 1:30 am

    • I agree.

    • The EU vote is still neck and neck in the polls as they prepare to vote. The Leave vote had pulled ahead on the back of immigration concerns, but since the murder of remain supporter Jo Cox the lead to a shifted back to Remain.

      Ironically, some of those supporting Brexit are doing so on the basis that they think that being outside the EU would allow greater immigration from non-European countries.


      June 22, 2016 at 9:13 pm

  27. Why Trump might not be doing as well following Orlando: (1) People associate Trump with the idea of seriously fighting back against Islam; (2) Orlando makes people feel that a serious fight against Islam would be painful; (3) People will enter into a serious painful fight only if they feel confident that they’ll be led by a competent war-chief; (4) Trump doesn’t give people the feeling that he’d be a competent war-chief.


    June 22, 2016 at 9:32 am

    • The Orlando Shooting had nothing to do with Islam. Just nothing, nada, zilch.

      If anything, extreme Muslims would want to disassociate with Omar Mateen, because he was purported to have a desire for men (hence, a homosexual). Extreme Muslims hate gays.


      June 22, 2016 at 5:49 pm

      • Utterly moronic. Read the 911 transcript fer chrissake.


        June 23, 2016 at 6:46 am

      • The guy was purported to be mentally unstable, the result from living in this country. 1/5 of our residents of the United States suffer from mental illness. The number is quite high.


        June 23, 2016 at 8:22 am

      • 9/11 had nothing to do with Islam either. It was all about box cutters.

        Lewis Medlock

        June 23, 2016 at 1:10 pm

      • (Facepalm) Because only calm, rational, mentally stable people adhere to Islam, if we learn that this man was mentally unstable then axiomatically we know he cannot be a Muslim. Riiiiiight.


        June 23, 2016 at 2:34 pm

      • Unlike Christianity. Anyone who takes Christianity seriously has to be mentally unstable.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        June 23, 2016 at 2:46 pm

      • Rational people don’t go on a shooting spree on weaklings, like the legions of lunatics that we’ve been witnessing in the news of late.


        June 23, 2016 at 2:54 pm

      • Rational people don’t go on a shooting spree on weaklings, like the legions of lunatics that we’ve been witnessing in the news of late.

        You are missing the point. You can be mentally unstable AND be a Muslim primarily motivated by Islam and jihad. There are millions of stupid (and from our perspective, crazy) Muslims who commit violent acts every day. It is simply stupid and wrong to say their acts have “nothing to do with Islam, nada, zilch”. If one accepts the view that Mateen was not rational, that in no way excludes Islam as a motive for his acts.

        That aside, it is perfectly rational to kill weaklings or innocent / unsuspecting people to achieve political ends. Terrorists have killed thousands of people for this reason. They are not “lunatics”, and their tactics have often succeeded.


        June 23, 2016 at 3:38 pm

      • You can be mentally unstable and be an atheist, randomly killing people, which happens a lot in the United States.


        June 23, 2016 at 5:01 pm

      • Except we know Omar is not an atheist so your comment is irrelevant.


        June 23, 2016 at 8:28 pm

  28. It’s not over yet. Trump does not represent business-as-usual conservatism. Western civilization has been brought to the brink but there’s a revolt brewing against the globalist elites. People are striking back against both the left and the mainstream right all over Europe. And while some of these parties are extremist, the majority represent healthy alternatives to the current power structure.

    I don’t believe that the current status quo can stand in Europe. It’s breaking apart before our very eyes. The liberal politically correct countries contain within themselves the seeds of their own destruction. Liberals are weaklings and cowards, and they cannot deal with Muslims or a nationalist right. Only a hardcore Communist left–not liberals–can put down Muslims and the nationalist right. The notion that it’s all over and the left has won is overly pessimistic. The left has overplayed their hand and they are facing a serious backlash.

    Lewis Medlock

    June 22, 2016 at 11:49 am

    • Although this is not a big brewing matter as of yet, I believe America will see a divisive split between the liberal followers of Clinton and those of Bernie Sanders.

      The Bernie Sanders’ camp share similar sentiments with Trump’s prole constituency, but they dislike them, like some of the readers here, who berate proles for lacking in sophistication. Both crowds are very much pro-White, and are upset, because of the inequities between them and the well to do bourgeois of Manhattan, parts of SWPL Brooklyn, DC and Northern California, just to name a few.


      June 22, 2016 at 8:45 pm

      • Leftwing hipsterism is essentially a response to having economic conditions that are out of line with a particular level of education. A Harvard grad making as much as a plumber while living in Williamsburg and being subsidized by your parents is not a pleasant way to live after a while.


        June 23, 2016 at 12:15 pm

  29. I just donated $2700 (the maximum individual donation possible) to Trump’s campaign. The rest of you should as well. If you can’t do $2700, do what you can afford. This is the most important election of our lifetime. (And I’m dropping $100 on LoTB too.)

    Kosher Kowboy

    June 22, 2016 at 2:05 pm

  30. The reaction on CuckState to Trump’s speech is surprisingly positive.

    Otis the Sweaty

    June 22, 2016 at 2:52 pm

  31. ScarletNumber

    June 22, 2016 at 7:43 pm

  32. Another good speech by Trump? Thoughts people? Video is on youtube.

    June 22, 2016 at 9:29 pm

  33. O/T – and this is really for Yakov, who thinks Jews have it good in America:

    A Yenta kills herself by jumping into the Hudson River from the George Washington Bridge.

    Just speculating on mental illness that pervades many American liberal women and it’s showing. The Manosphere might see a rash of these killings, as a revenge is such a sweet thing. Things will correct themselves, but the in-between moments are ugly.


    June 22, 2016 at 9:41 pm

    • The mental illness that women experience is due to the pursuit of the “Sex and the City” lifestyle. Women imagine that they are going to get into Ivy or near-Ivy schools, find high-powered careers in the Big City, have lots of sex with handsome and successful men, then, at 35, a Mr. Big alpha male will sweep them off their feet, wife them up and create a family. They are learning, rather late, that this does not happen, or happens to women that are either very beautiful or very lucky.

      This 28 year old discovered early that she is not getting the career, husband and family that she wanted and never will.

      Incidentally, this is why women like Hillary Clinton are so popular. She’s the dumpy, unattractive woman that married a future President. Like a commoner marrying a prince, this sort of story line is very attractive to the majority of women. Trump has to be careful not to select a Sarah Palin-style woman who did the opposite of everything modern women do and succeeded, because this would be an insult to all of these women.


      June 23, 2016 at 11:57 am

  34. A totally irrelevant poll — there’s no national election for president, but 50 local elections. It’s possible The Donald might win the Electoral College and lose the popular vote.

    And The Donald’s recent speech left Mrs. B.J.* Clinton’s desiccated vaj bloodied and prolapsed, hanging betwixt her cankles. God bless that man!

    *B.J. stands for Blow Job, not Bill Jefferson, thanks to all the corporate knob-gobbling she’s apparently prepared to do. Death to America.


    June 22, 2016 at 11:22 pm

  35. Five hours before the polls close in the UK, the British pound has soared to a new high for the year. Traders are betting the UK remains in the EU.

    Mark Caplan

    June 23, 2016 at 11:57 am

  36. OT: Did you know that Yahoo Finance is misreporting the NASDAQ index as of now?

    They have the NDX at 4892. TD Ameritrade reports it as 4450.

    SPX seems correct.


    June 23, 2016 at 12:25 pm

  37. map

    June 23, 2016 at 12:27 pm

  38. Meriprolestan, dumb and dumber:

    America, you’re stupid: Donald Trump’s political triumph makes it official — we’re a nation of idiots


    June 26, 2016 at 9:34 am

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