Lion of the Blogosphere

Brexit Leave, Big win for nationalism!

Britons voted to Leave.

Yesterday, before voting closed, I wrote:

Although polls show that “Remain” is in the lead, I think that, like with Donald Trump, the polls will underreport the true vote in favor of “Leave.”

Looks like I was right!

I now predict that this win for British nationalism will lead to a nationalist wave which will bring other nationalist parties to power in Europe and propel Donald Trump to win the election for President of the United States.

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So why are stock markets plunging? Some traders obviously believe the propaganda that Brexit would be a huge economic disaster.

Stock markets are overpriced anyway, but I’ve always assumed that they would stay overpriced until at least the November election because the Illuminati will do everything possible to help Hillary defeat Donald Trump. I guess that makes me a conspiracy theorist.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

June 24, 2016 at 12:09 am

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  1. Seems Nigel Farage has seen “Independence Day”. “Let June 23 go down in our history as our Independence Day’

    Damn, Britain – I’m proud of ya!


    June 24, 2016 at 12:46 am

    • In a way Farage is the biggest winner and deserves it, as he has fought for this for years.


      June 24, 2016 at 12:19 pm

  2. This is great! Keep in mind this means that the UK itself will break up as cucked-out Scotland and North Ireland will now want to leave the UK.

    There is going to be a massive demand in other countries for a vote on continued EU membership. This genie will never be put back in the bottle.

    Stocks are indeed overpriced, as you said. Hopefully this is the catalyst for a stock market crash as that would guarantee a Trump victory.

    Greasy William

    June 24, 2016 at 12:59 am

    • “This is great! Keep in mind this means that the UK itself will break up as cucked-out Scotland and North Ireland will now want to leave the UK” Greasy William.

      Not necessarily. The Scottish independence movement was based on high oil prices which have since fallen, leaving a huge and unfillable hole in the SNP budgets. There are also demands for referenda in Holland and France. The Scots might be voting for a union on the verge of collapse.

      Northern Ireland is probably the least cucked part of the UK. If you want to see the ‘real’ Britain it’s probably the best place to go in many respects. I think a lot of Brits there only voted to remain because they were worried about the possibility of Scotland voting to break up the UK in the event of Brexit. Northern Ireland is not really a viable nation in the way that Scotland and England are, so they are more heavily invested in preserving the UK at all costs.

      What is interesting is the noises coming from London, where the new Muslim mayor has been hinting that London would be better off leaving England and joining Europe without England. This is quite an idea to throw out there and has the scope to really put the spotlight on London as an ‘English’ city. Looking at the voting returns from London boroughs you see that in places like Tower Hamlets, which is very heavily Asian and Muslim, there was a huge vote for ‘Remain’ with about three quarters of the vote, IIRC. It’s not hard to see how those votes might be racking up, in racial terms. But it also means that even in the enemy territory of inner London there remains a hard-core of genuine British people and some sympathisers.

      prolier than thou

      June 24, 2016 at 5:20 pm

      • One analysis of the data says the Catholics of Northern Ireland voted REMAIN in solidarity with EU-member Ireland. Catholics in Northern Ireland comprise about half the population when you include immigrant Catholics from Eastern Europe. The Unionists voted LEAVE.

        The Scots favored staying in the EU because the EU generously subsidizes impoverished regions, which makes perennially economically depressed Scotland a major beneficiary of EU aid. Politically and psychologically, the Scots are accustomed to being ruled from afar, whether from London or Brussels. The English, on the other hand, seemed to have found foreign rule somewhat less agreeable.

        Mark Caplan

        June 25, 2016 at 5:03 pm

    • Britain will stay intact for sure. The euro is much too strong for an independent Scotland to adopt and there’s no plausible blueprint for how Scotland can issue their own currency without the plan ending in catastrophe for them.

      And even if Scotland did leave the UK, the euro and EU might not exist when they’re ready to apply.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      June 24, 2016 at 8:08 pm

  3. My applause to the voters there. Brave and proud Brits. Bravo!


    June 24, 2016 at 1:41 am

  4. When the Supreme Court rules in favor of Obamacare in 2012, I was left with an overwhelming feeling that Obama had all the social proof he needed to win the election. I got that same feeling today, only this time, the Brexit would foretell Trump’s win.


    June 24, 2016 at 1:45 am

  5. Are you joking on the Illuminati? Would you say that the Illuminati was against Sanders?


    June 24, 2016 at 1:56 am

    • Of course they were, he’s not one of them. Still a socialist but not an elite

      G VIC

      June 24, 2016 at 9:05 am

      • The elite long ago gave up on “Socialism” as an economic system that implies public ownership of things like utilities, and large corporations. That’s why the hard left rails against Globalism.


        June 24, 2016 at 11:09 am

  6. “I now predict that this win for British nationalism will lead to a nationalist wave which will bring other nationalist parties to power in Europe and propel Donald Trump to win the election for President of the United States.”

    I believe it will as well. Sometimes wins on major issues have a backlash. But I think it’s more likely to produce momentum and ripple. As UK was one of the three pillars of the EU, this will likely produce a domino effect. There are a lot of unhappy countries whose leaders have forced them to remain against the people’s will.

    I think this will help Trump. But I also think this wouldn’t have happened without him. All the comments he’s made and press he’s gotten have changed things in America and abroad. Things that were never possible before now are. Of course, globalists will try to quash it. But that may not be so easy now that the genie is out of the bottle.


    June 24, 2016 at 2:16 am

    • I really feel like this is going to rebound to hurt Trump.

      Destructure’s logic makes sense, but it also made sense that a terror attack by a Muslim would help Trump but instead it got him 2 weeks of bad press.

      Brexit is already being publicized as a gigantic failure of naive thinking and people who never cared about the stock market are now hand wringing about a 3% drop. The whole thing will be a gigantic cautionary tale about why Trump is so dangerous.

      Never mind the ridiculous “Yes, we can”ism of 2008. Now making any changes to your government is crazy talk!

      I predict a very bad month of coverage for Trump under the cover of “What does Brexit mean for us”

      Lion of the Turambar

      June 26, 2016 at 8:39 am

  7. Good call. Based on what happened in Austria recently, I thought TPTB would never allow it. Maybe the Elites, the TPTB are not all powerful?


    June 24, 2016 at 2:42 am

  8. 1. Donald Trump announces he will visit Scotland.
    2. The shockwave makes Britain exit EU.

    Is nothing impossible for TRUMP?


    June 24, 2016 at 4:09 am

    • PS. I was pretty convinced Remain was going to win, by hook or crook. Happy to be wrong.


      June 24, 2016 at 9:47 am

  9. Good news, but here’s a pessimist take: The elites could manipulate the economy into a collapse in a way which will actually scare people AWAY from voting Trump. “Look what Brexit did! Don’t let it happen here!”


    June 24, 2016 at 4:23 am

    • I thought about that too and I’m sure that’s getting called from the playbook at some point. I don’t think it matters though, nobody truly believes we’ve recovered from 08 so another dip won’t really be a surprise

      G VIC

      June 24, 2016 at 9:10 am

      • There is not going to be an engineered collapse. That would simply cannibalize the wealth of the top 1%.


        June 24, 2016 at 10:57 am

      • The elites could manipulate the economy into a collapse in a way which will actually scare people AWAY from voting Trump. “Look what Brexit did! Don’t let it happen here!”

        The euro is too weak to survive the next global crisis, which will come if either Deutsche Bank collapses, Italy votes in an anti-euro coalition government as polls suggest they will, or some other shock comes.

        If the euro disintegrates there’s no way for anyone to say it wasn’t caused by globalism since the euro and EU are considered the pinnacle achievements of ‘post-democracy’ international bureaucrats.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        June 24, 2016 at 8:03 pm

    • “So why are stock markets plunging? ”

      Its uncertainty buying and selling.

      We wont really know market conditions for a couple of months despite the Guardian taking the value of the pound of night as proof positive.

      Lion of the Turambar

      June 24, 2016 at 9:40 am

    • Bad economy always hurts incumbent. If things go to shit she will be blamed for Obama’s mistakes just like McCain was blamed for economic meltdown in 2008.


      June 24, 2016 at 10:53 am

    • Yes, my sentiment. It’s very hard to predict how the markets will behave between now and November and that in and an up/down market scares people, esp. when the press will try to use it to scare people.


      June 25, 2016 at 2:45 pm

  10. I think the stock market jitters are purely a result of the propaganda that Brexit would cause some sort of collapse. I saw a CNBC reporter yesterday comparing it to Texas leaving the union…ridiculous! I hate to be lied to like that and I see (or am merely noticing it) more and more.

    Mike Street Station

    June 24, 2016 at 6:22 am

    • It’s all based on elite echo chamber expectations of what will happen (they’re mostly the ones playing the stocks), which come from the same flawed experts who have made such bad predictions for the last 20 years. Literally nothing has actually changed so far, in terms of trade laws, labor agreements, etc.


      June 24, 2016 at 10:04 am

  11. Could be tons of good buying opportunities. Let’s pile in.


    June 24, 2016 at 6:24 am

    • I’ve been sitting on my gold and silver (ETF) positions for the last few years, waiting for liftoff. That’s after i already made a lot on the previous cycle, buying in 2007 and selling some around 2011.


      June 24, 2016 at 9:01 am

  12. LOL and I really am joking, but you should have written (((Illuminati))). JOKING.

    I’m over the moon by this show of defiance. And I put my $ where my mouth is (even though I did shamefully cash out my PredictIt $50….) because I expect to get hammered on the market today. But I think the markets will recover – they always do. Capitalism can adjust to anything, even an epidemic.

    Anyway most of the people who voted for Brexit (John Cleese excepted) don’t own stocks. What were the Remain campaigners thinking?


    Lion, OT but I think you should pay more attention to how Big Capital is literally rotting our culture psychologically. For example: I am watching TV to gloat on the victory, and Chase Bank has a disgusting commercial that shows a daddy getting dressed up like a princess for his daughter’s party. We have to start holding these creeps accountable for their perversions. Chase is the worst bank. They have a program whose purpose is to force women into “non-traditional” occupations: i.e., to destroy the few working class male job categories.


    June 24, 2016 at 7:00 am

  13. I am not in England, so I can’t really say if this was a case study in media manipulation. Sure, there were some conservative, pro-Brexit newspapers, but I think that the powerful and elite media was strongly in favor of remaining in the EU. For the most part, this is done in a somewhat subtle manner, describing the Brexit in negative terms and trying to create a sense of fear in the general public. The media I have in mind are the Economist, Financial Times, Reuters and the government-owned BBC. Interestingly, the remain propaganda was so strong in the end that the leading proponent of the Brexit believed it, and gave a concilation speech last night before the votes were counted. Imagine!

    And yet…. If the media was really so powerful (as powerful as they were in the pre-Internet era???) Brexit would have lost. A clear example that the world is changing, and the corporate media’s influence is diminishing.

    You asked about the markets. They are falling because investors sell shares on uncertainty and buy gold and government bonds. We simply don’t know what the Brexit means for the European Economy. Then, there is the added uncertainty of other countries now contemplating their own departures (the Grexit, the Swexit and the Spexit!). This is why I shorted the Dow. If I was really a bold investor I would have shorted the FTSE, but it seemed too risky, it was just a gut feeling, an emotional analysis.

    In the end, the Brexit as a stand alone event probably won’t have much effect on the European economy, as the UK will negotiate trade agreements modelled on whatever Switzerland and Norway already have.

    The larger consequences are the key issue long term, for example, increased protectionism and so on, will certainly hurt Europe’s economies.

    Today is a big day, a historic day.

    The Prime Minister of England got up this morning, walked outside 10 Downing Street, and handed in his resignation to the British people.

    The Shepherd

    June 24, 2016 at 7:24 am

    • The globalist elite was strongly pushing Remain, but you can tell that the consensus is fracturing in the oligarchy : Boris Johnson and Michael Gove aren’t lightweights, and more than 150 MP supported Brexit. It seems that a part of the oligarchy is ready to hear the common sense message from the people.


      June 24, 2016 at 10:30 am

    • For the most part, this is done in a somewhat subtle manner, describing the Brexit in negative terms and trying to create a sense of fear in the general public.

      Are you kidding? There was nothing subtle about it. It was all “vote Remain or you are stupid, evil, and crazy!” There was no positive message. And the media is STILL foaming at the mouth about “racism, xenophobia, and extreme nationalism”.


      June 24, 2016 at 11:00 am

  14. Woot!!


    June 24, 2016 at 7:57 am

  15. O Lord our God arise,
    Scatter her enemies,
    And make them fall:
    Confound their politics,
    Frustrate their knavish tricks,
    On Thee our hopes we fix:
    God save us all.

    As for why markets are down, the big reason, from a rational standpoint, is uncertainty. Markets always dislike uncertainty, even if the effect may end up being negligible in the end. There has also been a lot of propagandizing about the disastrous consequences from “Remain”, so there is certainly some pessimism that is irrational. But I would be surprised if there weren’t at least short-term economic consequences, and maybe even long-term consequences for Brexit. Sovereignty may not be a free lunch, but then, few worthwhile things are.

    Britain can enter a free trade agreement with Europe without being part of a “union” with them. Switzerland and Norway are both not EU members. There might be consequences for Britain’s financial industry — but then, Switzerland has somehow managed to be a global financial center.

    Also worth noting: Scotland is talking again about independence, since Scotland ended up voting 62% Remain. From the standpoint of the English Right, this would be a double win for the country’s long-term future, since the Scots are such reliable pro-immigrationists, though it would introduce even more economic uncertainty.


    June 24, 2016 at 8:12 am

    • Britain does not do any significant “trade” with the EU. What exactly is it selling in Europe when a powerhouse exporter like Germany exists?


      June 24, 2016 at 9:27 am

      • Exactly. Nothing. The Brits have Fish n Chips, and plenty of 3rd world immigrants, coming from the former Anglo Prole Empire.


        June 24, 2016 at 11:53 am

  16. “I now predict this win . . . will . . . propel Trump to win the election.”

    From your lips to God’s ears.


    June 24, 2016 at 8:57 am

    • I guess Roissy is wrong, that guy’s beta game eventually won the girl.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      June 24, 2016 at 9:57 am

      • The exception that proves the rule, perhaps

        We’ll have to revisit the lovely SWPL couple in 5-7 years.


        June 24, 2016 at 10:07 am

      • Not so fast. The guy was actually running some decent false disqualification: “‘Is this fair? We are not too close, right?’ He said, ‘No, we are just two pilgrims along the way, traveling together for a while.’”

        Peacocking/social proof: “He’s the kind of person who wants to wear bright orange shoelaces in his very fancy dress shoes,” said Clare Rose, a friend. “He’s often seen in a bow tie or some kind of hat.”

        Also, “growing up on Martha’s Vineyard.” Both were living like money was no object. Self-actualization to the extreme. As JS would not hesitate to note, the groom was in one of the rare environments where he his intellectualism was safe and admired, rather than it being battered and AMOG’d out of him like the rest of us who got planted in prole soil.

        If anything is beta it’s his being essentially the same age as her, but their SWPLness mitigates wall risk quite a bit.


        June 24, 2016 at 10:56 am

      • These sweet snowflakes are so sheltered that it’s sickening. And I bet they’d love to import 30 million Muslims or assorted 3rd worlders to the USA, thinking that they will arrive here and follow their lead in frolicking across meadows like Julie Andrews.


        June 24, 2016 at 11:20 am

      • He grew up in Martha’s Vineyard, speaks Latin and spends his time in Philosophy with other similar people. High intelligence is the one trait that doesn’t wins hearts. But when the hierarchy of his circles is highly determined by intelligence, it probably helps him in this context. Also “He knows what he likes, and nothing he likes is run of the mill” isn’t exactly a beta trait. He’d flop over like a tower of sand if he had to deal with someone like the jacked-up Tattoo Arizona Trump guy. But sometimes the smartest guy in the bookclub is enough.

        Still, it would still help him to hit the gym.


        June 24, 2016 at 12:55 pm

      • >>interested in existential questions and distinctive clothing from an early age. “He’s the kind of person who wants to wear bright orange shoelaces in his very fancy dress shoes,” said Clare Rose, a friend. “He’s often seen in a bow tie or some kind of hat.”

        >> fluent in Latin, fond of three-piece suits <<

        Actually, he has some important elements of game nailed down. Mystery claims that peacocking is an essential element of game.


        June 24, 2016 at 2:19 pm

      • I just read that article. Why inject the Manosphere into it? They’re academic types, who find common ground with one another. It happens a lot. Most professors marry other professors.

        The bride isn’t a prole slut living in NYC, where she’s hunting for a value transference alpha, who will take care of her, while she romps around the city.

        Career sluts are proles!


        June 24, 2016 at 4:22 pm

      • And to answer Fiddlesticks: Most of the male readers here do not thrive with women, simply, because America is an anti-intellectual environment. Women here do not give a damn about your self actualization/creative lifestyle, because money dictates everything. Unless you have a trust fund as a guarantor for your SMV, being cool and interesting alone, doesn’t provide substance to American women.


        June 24, 2016 at 4:33 pm

    • Almost every paragraph of that article is like a slice of SWPL heaven.


      June 24, 2016 at 10:11 am

      • By contrast, Jon Petkun, a friend, said Mr. Peters possessed an “ear-piercing loveliness.”

        Like … Fran Drescher? I’m at a loss.

        The foundation of his allure would seem to be that he’s a princeling of a rich, moderately well-known family. (“Yes, those von Trapps.”) But all in all, it reminds me of old style academics getting married, really, and maybe that’s not a bad thing. On some level she might feel it’s like getting tenure. Good luck to them.


        June 24, 2016 at 2:22 pm

      • Sounds like a Whit Stillman movie, or a parody of a Whit Stillman movie.

        ice hole

        June 26, 2016 at 7:59 am

    • Ahh, two theology students tie the knot! Ain’t it grand being wealthy and able to major in theology? And still have a big, fancy wedding? And live in whitetopia Vermont?

      How much you wanna bet the Facebook pages of both these people are stuffed with anti-Trump mania? It must be wonderful to be able to be completely divorced from reality yet still live a grand life of comfort and interest.


      June 24, 2016 at 11:26 am

    • Lion PLEASE do a post analyzing this, every line drips with swpl self obsession, but is also somewhat endearing.


      June 24, 2016 at 3:36 pm

    • In my opinion I believe people misdefine intelligence. And therefore don’t understand that it does get women.

      There are many people on this thread, on this blog, on the internet and indeed in one’s local halal butcher shop who would claim to be “intelligent”.

      Let us define “intelligence”.

      It is an attribute.

      Therefore it derives meaning from its lack or relative quality in others.

      Intelligence is proven by achievement of goals that others cannot with relatively similar physical/social/personality etc attributes

      If you are not getting women using intelligence, you are not intelligent. It doesn’t follow that nobody can get women using their intelligence.

      If you are getting women using your natural looks or body, you are not intelligent too I should add.

      Intelligence isn’t really an attribute like “blue” or “coarse”. Its more along the lines of “high stamina” or “low blood pressure”.

      In any case, most people’s problems with women aren’t concerning too high intelligence, but more about emotions, which admittedly, are sometimes a problem that can’t really be solved with intellect or indeed even will.

      The Philosopher

      June 26, 2016 at 10:25 pm

  17. The GBP plunged, betting markets, stock markets, … they all got it wrong.

    Libertarians love betting and market based predictions. They claim that when participants have real money at stake, they will not be swayed by emotion, whims and ideology and think really hard about the outcomes and do extensive research. This is why people are so good at predicting the lottery. The casino is a prediction market too. This sounds rather silly, but it is just a consistent application of the efficient market hypothesis.

    PredictWise betting market – Brexit

    The top of the page reads:

    PredictWise reflects David Rothschild’s academic, peer-reviewed, research into prediction markets, along with polling and online/social media data. The backbone of predictions on this site are market-based, generated from real-money markets that trade contracts on upcoming events. While we have great respect for: polls and online/social media data, the topline predictions reflect data that are more accurate, flexible, and update in real-time.

    Both David Rothschilds who are on Twitter are currently having a fit of rage. One of them retweeted:

    @Guy Verhofstadt – In last 8 hours, UK lost $350bn, which is a greater amount than they contributed to EU budget over last 15 years – including rebate

    Verhofstadt essentially uses the incorrect prediction of stock and forex traders as evidence that the UK actually lost something during the night. Did any buildings disappear? Did factories vanish?

    All I can see is further evidence against the EMH and that these evaluations are not to be taken seriously in the first place.

    P.S.: Is David Rothschild not aware that given the conspiracy theories surrounding his family, people are sooner or later going to accuse him of rigging PredictWise for political reasons and personal gain? If I were him, I would not play such a prominent role in a business like this.


    June 24, 2016 at 9:47 am

    • The problem with these “prediction markets” is that they are too thinly traded. That makes them susceptible to influence by large bettors. In fact, I think it was slipped somewhere that the quantity of bets supporting the Brexit was a lot larger than those against, but the individual bets against Brexit were just larger. That’s why the odds generated a favorable outcome for Remain.

      The $350 bln represented the collective loss of the top 1%, not GB as a whole.


      June 24, 2016 at 10:53 am

    • Markets in general are a bit too rigged these days to be reliable, from credit ratings to LIBOR and downwards. You will get a more honest deal if you’re counting cards in Vegas.


      June 24, 2016 at 2:13 pm

    • David Rothschild of Predictwise may not be related to the Rothschilds who originated in the Frankfurt Ghetto. Walter N. Rothschild, Sr., who was president of Abraham & Straus department stores and co-founder of Federated Department Stores, was not related to the Frankfurt Rothschilds.


      June 25, 2016 at 10:49 pm

  18. OT: FBI found no evidence Mateen was gay. Now we’re back to the obvious motive, which he repeatedly proclaimed himself – that he was a Muslim who killed for Islam.

    FBI has found no evidence so far to support claims by those who say Mateen had gay lovers or communicated on gay dating apps, several law enforcement officials said.

    On Tuesday, Univision aired a report in which “Miguel,” a man wearing a disguise to conceal his identity, alleged he had sex with Mateen after meeting him on the gay dating app, Grindr. He said Mateen had sex with other men too, including a threesome with a Puerto Rican who allegedly told Mateen, after having had unprotected sex with him, that he was HIV positive.

    But investigators do not consider the man’s account credible, according to one senior law enforcement official with access to the investigation.

    In seeking to verify the reports, federal agents have culled Mateen’s electronic devices, including a laptop computer and cellphone, as well as electronic communications of those who made the claims, law enforcement officials said.

    So far, they have found no photographs, no text messages, no smartphone apps, no gay pornography and no cell-tower location data to suggest that Mateen — who was twice married to women and had a young son — conducted a secret gay life, the officials said.

    The FBI is continuing to explore Mateen’s past, but investigators now believe the men who made the claims are not credible, or confused Mateen with someone else.


    June 24, 2016 at 10:47 am

    • Frankly I think this is a huge story.

      Usually there is an immediate jump to muddy the waters about the person’s name, race, their political party, their religion and their motivations.

      In this case since there were 911 tapes out there the cover up became ineffective. And his party registration became known the first day. The only thing the media was able to get away with was the old standby AR-15.

      Then we got the spin that Mateen was gay and this was just a case of after-workplace violence. I was suspicious of all this secret gay insider knowledge and, shock of shock, unreliable flightly gays turn out to be unreliable. That everyone of them interviewed was going under some crazy nick name should have been a tip off to the theatricality of these ‘witnesses’.

      Lion of the Turambar

      June 24, 2016 at 4:35 pm

      • That gun is not an AR-15. It is a Sig Sauer, a very expensive Swiss weapon that fires the standard Nato round and used AR-15 magazines.


        June 25, 2016 at 1:02 am

      • “That gun is not an AR-15. It is a Sig Sauer, a very expensive Swiss weapon that fires the standard Nato round and used AR-15 magazines.”

        It might as well have been a Glock or a flintlock as far as the media knows. I guess everything that fires a .223 is now an AR-15.

        Mike Street Station

        June 25, 2016 at 6:51 pm

      • An AR-15 is a concept, not a particular model by a particular manufacturer.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        June 25, 2016 at 7:33 pm

    • BS!

      The FBI was incompetent and botched their investigation. A fellow from his community warned them, that Mateen was a pressure cooker ready to burst, but they ignored him repeatedly.


      June 24, 2016 at 5:10 pm

    • The rest of that LA Times article says, by strong implication, the FBI is conducting a fraudulent investigation. I think that’s the takeaway of the article, even though the LA Times perhaps feels the need to be circumspect in implying the Obama administration’s FBI is not to be trusted.

      Cord Cedeno, 23, another Pulse regular, insisted he saw Mateen at Pulse months before the shooting and messaged with him on Grindr for a short time, but eventually blocked him because he would only send photos and say “Hi.” Cedeno said he has no reason to doubt accounts from other Pulse regulars who have said they had seen Mateen visit the club in the past.

      “The FBI obviously is trying to cover up their information,” he said of gay men who reported being contacted by Mateen. “I can go take a lie detector test. I know for a fact Omar messaged me.”

      Cedeno said he did not contact police to tell them about his contact with Mateen, because some of his friends who did had their phones taken and were told not to talk to reporters. He said he doesn’t trust the FBI to investigate Mateen, given they questioned him in 2013 and again in 2014, placed him on a terrorist watch list but then removed him from the list.

      “They let him go. They let him do this massacre. They could have arrested him. It just does not add up,” Cedeno said.

      Mark Caplan

      June 24, 2016 at 5:27 pm

      • Feds have an obvious incentive to pin it on homophobia. I would expect a fraudulent investigation to find evidence of his gayness not to find none.


        June 28, 2016 at 12:01 am

    • What about the impressions of the ex-wife?


      June 26, 2016 at 5:02 am

  19. Why are stock markets plunging? Because the “elite” bet on stupid and lost. Any pain they suffer serves them right.


    June 24, 2016 at 10:48 am

  20. Catherine Rampell’s freakout on Twitter is hilarious. She’s ripping her hair out about the stock market and, in one of her somber moments, bitterly quoting H. L. Mencken on democracy.


    June 24, 2016 at 11:32 am

    • An article written by Lion’s virtual GF, C Rampell, tells you how unintelligent many American women are, especially if they are pampered by their BFs/Husbands, or parents:

      She writes that NYC is a bargain for the wealthy and the highly educated classes, and then tells us that housing is expensive, yet with this tradeoff, comes an immense variety of luxurious goods at a bargain price, because there are so many businesses competing with each other, and lower pricing is one of the criteria. She has yet to prove her point. In total, her NYT piece is absolutely incoherent. Truthfully, the article is FOS, worse than some of my comments on this blog.


      June 24, 2016 at 7:18 pm

      • One of the comments in that article suggests Lion’s Value Transference Scheme:

        …people cluster in NY because it is where one goes to make (take) easy money. Many don’t really produce anything. They mostly insert themselves into other people’s productive work, and regardless of whether they add or subtract value, they take the lion’s share of the revenues.

        Let’s call our liberal centers, value transference centers, from now on.


        June 24, 2016 at 8:02 pm

  21. Obama is very sad. This makes me happy.

    One my stocks went up, one went down a tiny bit, and one is shit anyway and I’m gonna dump it when it goes back up, if it does. So it’s a wash for me.


    June 24, 2016 at 12:10 pm

  22. Good call, Lion. YouGov and IPSOS polls were giving almost the opposite result or worse (48-52, 46-54) the last two days. There was a huge “preference falsification” going on, and I guess the same is and will be happening here with Trump.


    June 24, 2016 at 12:26 pm

    • Why is ‘preference falsification’ (great phrase) always falsifying patriotism and not the other way around? SJWs are proud of their insane, vapid beliefs.


      June 24, 2016 at 5:11 pm

      • That’s true. I guess it’s because normal, decent people don’t want to be called bigots or any of the other epithets liberals throw left and right.


        June 24, 2016 at 7:29 pm

    • OK so everybody predicted it.

      But did anybody else actually put their money where their mouth is?

      On Friday last week I liquidated all my stocks and funds. OK it’s not a lot… But still…

      I was really regretting my trade while I watched the market rally 2.5% from Monday to Thursday.
      But I stuck with it.

      So the market now went down 3.5% today… Big deal… 1% more than if I had just dumped everything today.
      Now I don’t really expect the actual politics to impact the economy much. I was just hoping for the market to be spooked enough to be able to buy some things marked down 10 – 15%.

      Now I have to figure out what to buy and when to reenter. The 8% drop in the Pound is really overshooting things. But the market does know how to keep overshooting, so we’ll see.

      Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

      June 25, 2016 at 12:02 am

      • I did. I mean, I sold my $50 Predictit “shares” and came out even. But I held my stocks. One actually went up (a tobacco “sin stock” – nothing dents them, nothing), one went down a teeny bit but I’m sure it will go up, and one is garbage anyway and I hope to unload it this August, when (I hope) the market bounces back because Congress is on vacay.


        June 26, 2016 at 7:43 am

  23. On CuckState they are flipping their shit. More proof that destruction of the TruCons is more important than destruction of Liberals.

    Otis the Sweaty

    June 24, 2016 at 1:34 pm

  24. I wish an economist would describe the EU, and its benefits, to us economic illiterates.

    My assumption is that there is some benefit from a common market: if company A wants to sell widget a to fit widget b in company B, it is cheaper for someone (the EU) to insure that all company B’s (in France, Germany, Italy) make widget b the same (so widget a fits all of them). The alternative: company A makes widget a:i for the italian company, widget a:g for the german company, and a:f for the french company, would be somewhat more expensive.

    But that doesn’t seem like the kind of cost that is going to cause the collapse of the European economy.
    So the arguments for serious consequences for leaving the EU are…what? I just don’t get it.
    It seems like the EU offers a minor benefit (standards regulation) in exchange for enormous cost (loss of sovereignty and democratic decisionmaking). But the scare mongering must be based on something. what is that thing?



    June 24, 2016 at 2:37 pm

    • The EU is all about the globalists moving ever closer to a global government infrastructure where they can impose both their Satanic central banks and their pozzed out, anti-white views. The Brexit is a huge blow to this centuries long project. Or not, since odds are the UK will do exactly nothing to actually leave the EU.


      June 24, 2016 at 4:26 pm

      • This ^.


        June 24, 2016 at 7:30 pm

      • The UK was very multicultural prior to their membership in the EU.


        June 25, 2016 at 10:44 am

    • There is a long history of war and conflict in Europe. Two world wars started in Europe in the last century. One of the main aims for starting the EU project was to prevent future conflicts by making Europe more unified.

      The main initial goals of the EU was to eliminate trade barriers between EU countries. A company in France can sell their products in Germany without having to get the products through customs. Government standards and paperwork were suppose to be standardized so a company in France did not have to worry about not being able to sell in other EU countries because of some government product regulations.

      This allows companies in all EU countries to compete on a level playing field. Consumers can pick the best product/price to meet their needs.

      The result of that is that some companies will be forced out of business, but the companies offering consumers the best product/price would grow to meet demand from across the EU. These bigger, stronger companies would be better position to compete outside of the EU.

      The Euro currency unification (which the UK wisely decided not to join) was suppose to eliminate exchange rate uncertainties, so companies could price their products in Euro and not have to worry about currency fluctuations suddenly making their product not competitive in some countries in the EU.


      June 24, 2016 at 11:02 pm

      • You are mixing apples with oranges. The wars were started by Empires. A bunch of small European countries can’t start a World War. the European Union was created to increase the economic strength of Europe. It has absolutely nothing whatever to do with preventing wars.


        June 25, 2016 at 11:42 am

      • The EU was started to reduce conflict as well as trade barriers. Of course, it’s not necessary to surrender one’s sovereignty in order to meet a common set of industry standards. However, you both missed one of the main reasons for the EU — defensive alliance against the Soviets. With the dissolution of the Soviet Union, Russia became much less of a threat.


        June 25, 2016 at 1:39 pm

      • And yet somehow the pricks in Brussels figured a way to interject movement of illegal aliens and human rights into the whole equation thus proving the old claim that an institution not explicitly Right wing will become high jacked by the Left eventually.


        June 26, 2016 at 5:14 am

      • Nuclear weapons prevents conflict you dummy. Not trade deals. The world was probably as much if not more free trade in the late 19th century.

        The Philosopher

        June 26, 2016 at 6:27 am

    • Benefits:

      Lower tarriffs on some items.

      Similar product quality standards and financial regulations.

      Ability to bail out each other.

      Free movement for people from shit countries.


      Free movement for people from shit countries.

      EU rules are created mostly by the Commission which is unelected (ie. amazingly like the Politburo)

      Interference in a countrys social, economic, judicial, foreign and other policies by gimp bureacrats.

      Being a member is officially a commitment to letting in millions of young muslim males to rampage around.

      The Philosopher

      June 26, 2016 at 6:32 am

  25. Actually “Britons’ didn’t vote to leave the EU – the English and the Welsh did, overwhelmingly. The Scots are the exception. Also Londonistan (Muslims and the treason party.) So I say, let Britain fall apart, and put all the Muslim migs in Scotland. They love them so much, they can have ’em. The Scots are very pro-Palestinian. Gaza on the North Sea.


    June 24, 2016 at 3:38 pm


    “Meanwhile, Boris sounded as though he was winging it. He talked as if he were making it up as he went along, relying on his cleverness to get through the night. It made him appealing but not terribly effective.

    Overall, though, the Remain side was angry and scornful. Not a good look. Then came the summing up. First came Ruth Davidson. She did a punchy, workmanlike effort and got warm applause from the Remainers in the audience. But it still seemed a game of point scoring.

    Then Boris strode towards the lectern at the front of the stage with an unusual look of determination. He remarked how the other side in this campaign had talked of ‘nothing but fear of the consequences of leaving the EU’ whereas his side had offered hope. He talked of ‘those of us who believe in Britain’. The other side said ‘we have no choice but to bow down to Brussels.’ Lowering his voice, he returned, ‘We say they are woefully underestimating this country and what it can do.’ He pointed out the powers and the money we can take back and said we can speak up for ‘the democracy that is the foundation of our prosperity’. He added that ‘if we stand up for democracy, we will be speaking up for hundreds of millions or people around Europe who agree with us but who currently have no voice.’ Suddenly voting leave became about democracy, self-belief and those who were denied a voice. The idea of leave became aspirational and even heroic. Making his hand into a fist of resolution, he declared that if we vote leave tomorrow and take back control, ‘I believe that this Thursday can be our country’s independence day!’

    This short speech marked a complete change of atmosphere. That is why it was so potent. It was hopeful, ambitious. The Leave side of the audience was thrilled. For the first time in the evening, people spontaneously started standing up as they clapped. The BBC coverage which I saw later showed just a few people standing, but I can tell you more and more people stood up all around the hall and up at the sides. It was an extraordinary moment because finally we were released from the self-doubt, niggling fears and negative claims. It was a moment of ‘Omigod! Of course we can do this!’

    At last Boris came good. It was one of the best moments in politics I have ever witnessed. Unfortunately it appears that journalists in the ‘spin room’ missed it as the sound had been turned off. It should have been on the front page of every newspaper and led every television news report. Do watch it above. This was his finest hour. Well, minute, anyway.”

    Sounds like a Trump rally, in a way.


    June 24, 2016 at 3:44 pm

  27. The libertarian friendly UKIP has successfully led a campaign for the UK to leave the EU governing structure.

    While Libertarians helped create the EU as a loose confederacy, fears grow that it is becoming a centralized federation where the UK was carrying an unfair burden. There is now wide talk in Europe of a looser structure to prevent more exits and entice the UK back.

    Libertarians are about rights, process, choice. They see that you get it, sometimes good and hard.


    June 24, 2016 at 4:45 pm

  28. The head of the Janus fund wasn’t as negative about it as Greenspan. He actually said Trump has some good ideas on trade and other things,but he wished Trump would stop acting like an adolescent.


    June 24, 2016 at 7:32 pm

  29. “So why are stock markets plunging?”

    Uncertainty. Stock markets hate uncertainty.

    The biggest immediate impacted will be that some companies will delay investment decisions while they see what is going to happen in UK. That may cause a small slowdown in growth in the UK.

    If UK cannot negotiate a favorable trade pact with the EU (and this may be very difficult) it may hurt imports and exports in UK. World Trade Organization tariffs are not that high so even without a trade deal. The UK GDP will probably end up a little smaller but nothing catastrophic.

    Norway and Switzerland are not EU members but have very favorable trade deals with EU. Why can’t UK do that too? Along with the trade deals Norway and Switzerland agreed to accept a lot of the immigration and product regulation from the EU. It was the open EU borders that the leave campaign was definitely against. It is doubtful that the EU would be willing to offer the UK a Norway/Switzerland like trade policy without all the immigration and product rules attached. It may be hard for a UK government to accept that. The EU will not want to seen making concessions to the UK because that would encourage more countries to leave the EU.


    June 24, 2016 at 7:42 pm

    • Why is the US stock market down more than the UK’s? It might hurt the Uk a bit, but they are still a small part of the world economy. We will still buy their drugs and I assume EU countries will to. I heard the UK is a big pharmaceutical manuf.

      I think a lot of the stock drop is people with 401k’s deciding to move some their total stock market fund money into bonds because they heard all the negativity in the press.

      Is it disaster that S. Korea and Japan are not joined in a union? We trade with Europe but we aren’t in union with them.


      June 24, 2016 at 9:36 pm

  30. Stock markets are overpriced anyway, but I’ve always assumed that they would stay overpriced until at least the November election because the Illuminati will do everything possible to help Hillary defeat Donald Trump. I guess that makes me a conspiracy theorist.

    They don’t have unlimited power. If they did the West’s economy would be growing at double digits rates.

    As it stands, they’ve used up all of their QE ammunition in 2012 to save Obama. There’s little left in their arsenal to weather any new shock.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    June 24, 2016 at 8:10 pm

  31. This will not last. Under 25s were 75% in favor. This was nationalism out of a nursing home. Team old’s gonna have a rough road ahead.


    June 25, 2016 at 1:22 am

    • Young people come to their senses as they grow older. This is why the voting age should be 30 or 35.

      Andrew E.

      June 25, 2016 at 9:14 am

      • “Young people come to their senses as they grow older.”

        Some do, but most don’t. Most people are unable to question their most deeply held beliefs and learn very little as they age. Rational, open-minded people will change some of their views as they age because experience has proven them to be wrong. But the majority won’t. Witness the 70-year-old pony-tailed Bernie Sanders supporters. Or the morons who’ve been reading the NY Times for 50 years and still take it as gospel.

        Lewis Medlock

        June 25, 2016 at 1:01 pm

      • “Some do, but most don’t.”

        I agree with this. It’s one of the tenets of self-deluding, triumphalist mainstream conservatism that people get more conservative as they age. For every person I know who’s gotten more conservative as he’s aged, I can point to two who’ve become more liberal. My own father voted for Reagan in the 80’s, but now supports Bernie Sanders and routinely ruins Thanksgiving dinners with unprovoked rants about Wall Street, corporations, America’s shameful lack of socialized medicine, etc. And one of my cousins, who was homeschooled and went to a conservative Evangelical college, is also a Sanders supporter and litters his Facebook feed with posts about “white privilege,” the “war on drugs,” the “racism” of anti-immigrationists, etc.


        June 25, 2016 at 5:48 pm

      • Liberalism itself is not a problem. Proles and NAMs in America are THE PROBLEM!


        June 25, 2016 at 8:55 pm

    • Would Brexit have won even five years ago? Voters change over time, with new information and experiences. Also, the youth vote had much lower turnout than the old vote, and those under-25ers who did vote were disproportionately from the privileged class. As young people get older, besides getting less utopian liberal with age, more of them will participate and that’ll dilute the impact of the Oxbridge crowd.


      June 25, 2016 at 10:25 am

  32. IHTG

    June 25, 2016 at 4:18 am

      • It does not really matter if the Brits leave the EU, given its cesspool of a nation. I’m sure White Southern Europeans are sick of seeing Brits of all colors visiting their countries.


        June 25, 2016 at 10:36 am

      • British Jews would be expected to vote for Brexit since they’ve traditionally been Tories and are becoming more so – two thirds of British Jews voted Tory in the last general election.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        June 25, 2016 at 6:28 pm

      • “British Jews would be expected to vote for Brexit since they’ve traditionally been Tories and are becoming more so – two thirds of British Jews voted Tory in the last general election.”

        That doesn’t mean they voted Brexit.

        British Jews have not traditionally been Tory – they were Labour before Mrs. T. came along. Today’s Labour is viscerally hostile to Jews, with it’s Muslim/radical left axis. And anyway, a lot of cucks probably voted Remain – the ones in Londonistan. Politics makes strange bedfellows. I think that a disproportionate share of cucks who voted Remain in Londonistan were Jews. But that Jews outside Londonistan voted Brexit.

        But this is all guesswork. I’d love to see some real facts.


        June 26, 2016 at 7:50 am

      • I don’t think there are very many Jews in the UK outside of London. Most of them are Orthodox.


        June 26, 2016 at 9:56 am

      • Did you see the chart? 54% of British Jews voted Leave.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        June 26, 2016 at 3:37 pm

      • So proud of the tribe, today.

        On Twitter the stupid alt-righters are all claiming British Jews voted Remain. Assholes.

        BTW, this is relevant to the person who brought up “prediction falsification”:

        “A Jewish Chronicle poll conducted in May showed that 49 percent of British Jews wanted to remain in Europe. Just over a third of those balloted (34%) backed Brexit, but 17% said at the time that they had not yet made up their minds.”

        Translation: 49% remain, 34% Brexit, 17% lying. And that’s what actually happened – give or take a few percent.


        June 26, 2016 at 5:15 pm

      • On Twitter the stupid alt-righters are all claiming British Jews voted Remain.

        Richard Spencer endorsed remain just before the vote.

        If only antisemites had always been this stupid…

        The Undiscovered Jew

        June 26, 2016 at 7:06 pm

    • The Chronicle is probably the best Jewish newspaper on the planet:

      Apparently the Remains tried to scare British Jews: “As for our place in British society as Jews and the threat of extremism: I have rarely read more rubbish than the idea we as Jews will suffer from Brexit.”

      What a sleazy, evil bunch of shits the Remainers are!! Down with them!!! Now they are busily manufacturing lies about Bregret. They have nothing in their holster so they just lie, lie. lie.

      I’ve heard that John Oliver has lost his mind. Another benefit of Brexit. The gift that keeps on giving.


      June 26, 2016 at 7:54 am

    • In the Indy article, another table indicates that British Jews were as a group, more in favor of Brexit than British whites as a whole, and only a tiny bit less than British Christians (who could include blacks).

      Re Spencer, he’s screwy and not too bright and my guess is that he hates Boris Johnson because Johnson isn’t racial and is in most ways a modern “inclusive” politican. So what, I say. A pol can offer at most one good characteristic and in this fight Johnson showed the courage of a lion. He saved his country.


      June 26, 2016 at 8:15 pm

      • Re Spencer, he’s screwy and not too bright

        Fitting since he’s the one who coined the term ‘alternative right’, a movement which has proven to be as dumb and incompetent as he is.

        Boris Johnson because Johnson isn’t racial and is in most ways a modern “inclusive” politican.

        The ‘reasoning’ behind Spencer’s endorsement of Remain (could he have made a worse call than that?) had something to do with the EU being a precursor to a new nationalist state. It was nonsense.

        Regarding Johnson, he’s not perfect by any means but he played a major role in changing the course of Western politics for the better.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        June 26, 2016 at 8:50 pm

      • “The ‘reasoning’ behind Spencer’s endorsement of Remain (could he have made a worse call than that?) had something to do with the EU being a precursor to a new nationalist state. It was nonsense.”

        I had wondered about that but it seemed too stupid and delusional even for Spencer. Oh well, I gave him credit for some brains. I was wrong. I should have remembered when he sashayed into Hungary and thought the Hungarians would lap at his heels and he got thrown out.


        June 26, 2016 at 9:51 pm

  33. ***OK so everybody predicted it***

    I was resigned to Remain winning after the polls shifted in in their favor following the killing of Jo Cox and the economic warnings from the IMF. I got a huge surprise to check in and find the pound had plunged on the back of surprise early vote counts coming in strongly for Leave. I guess the Bradley effect applied again with the polls. It also happened in last year’s general election, the Conservatives did far better than expected by the polls.


    June 25, 2016 at 5:20 am

    • A shame the husband wasn’t taken out as well.


      June 25, 2016 at 4:24 pm

  34. Brexit was divine intervention and has restored my faith in God. The good Lord sent those rainstorms upon London knowing the lefty layabouts would stay home.


    June 25, 2016 at 10:00 pm

    • The MSM has been particularly mendacious. I keep reading tweets about how the people who voted Leave are having regrets. Have they done any polling? have they done any research? no. they just say so. they’ve really gone down the tubes. they are now simply making s*** up.


      June 25, 2016 at 10:18 pm

    • “Brexit was divine intervention and has restored my faith in God. The good Lord sent those rainstorms upon London knowing the lefty layabouts would stay home”

      I’ve had similar feelings (although I remain agnostic). The night before the vote was cast I was all but praying for rain in London.

      It reminds me of what the Elizabethans said after the Spanish armada fleet had been defeated partly through their bad luck with the weather–“He blew his winds and they were scattered”.

      prolier than thou

      June 26, 2016 at 2:57 pm

  35. It looks as if there will be chaos ahead, because Scotland voted to remain.


    June 26, 2016 at 9:50 am

    • Here’s a different perspective on the Scotland situation.

      I’ve just got back from a weekend in St Andrew’s in Scotland. I tried to do it cheap so I stayed at in someone’s home through Airbnb (never again, it’s weird).St Andrew’s is posh, liberal AND Scottish, a pretty deadly trinity which left me slightly dreading meeting them. In the event they were Northern Irish but totally PC and liberal. The woman had been a teacher and had actually ‘taught’ poltics and the EU to schoolchildren. How unlucky is that? And they had some lame-looking English teacher (as in from England) friend staying with them too. It was awkward because we’d been speaking for a while and I guess because we’d talked a little about universities and other middle-class things they assumed I supported Remain and started going on about how stupid Leave voters are and how we should stay in the EU in spite of the vote. I didn’t want to cause any awkwardness (not out of cowardice, I’ve used to do a stall on my High Street for a racist, Nationalist party, I’m just a bit Japanese about causing scenes) so I had to spend the weekend pretending to be left wing and appalled. It’s actually quite hard, so I guess you have to give politicians some credit.

      prolier than thou

      June 26, 2016 at 3:17 pm

      • ” I had to spend the weekend pretending to be left wing and appalled”

        Boo. C’mon, dude, man up. Chances are you weren’t even alone. Forty percent of Scotland voted to leave. Someone else had to endure your stuffy virtue signaling and you are for leaving!

        You don’t have to be rude or in anybody’s face. You can just politely say that England made the right choice in your opinion. Then if *they* want to be rude or in anybody’s face, that’s on them.

        I rule “cowardice.” When we say that western civilization will die from an excess of ‘politeness’ they will be talking about people like you.

        My sister ranted to me in an email about Trump, attacking him, before she knew I was a supporter. I wrote an email 3 x as long singing the virtues of Trump and scolding her for her arrogance. She backed down and acted as if I misunderstood her and she wasn’t looking down on ‘those people’ (yeah right!) and said she didn’t really follow the issues and wasn’t political (yeah right!)


        June 27, 2016 at 11:43 am

  36. The British Labour Party is in meltdown mode. I can hardly believe what I’m seeing. I think the same thing will happen here.


    June 26, 2016 at 5:18 pm

    • It’s like watching those clips of from the Japanese earthquake in which the wall of viscous brown water advances over the land, collapsing houses as if they were made of cards, flattening trees and upending telegraph poles as if they were matchsticks. It is glorious.

      prolier than thou

      June 26, 2016 at 5:46 pm

  37. All the democratic socialists have suddenly lost their taste for democracy. They say the voters are too stupid to make these kind of decisions and that uneducated people should not even have the vote. I wonder if these effete clowns in their Ivory Towers have ever met their voters? Most leftists are doofus airheads with empty rhetoric and no grasp of the issues or the candidates. Most just vote straight party line and have no idea who most of them even are or what they said. You should see some of the angry stay voters that the BBC and Sky News are interviewing. Sky News had some crazy girl wearing something that looked like a costume from a steampunk film. She had no idea of who her Labour Party candidates were, but of course everyone who voted for Brexit were uneducated troglodyte racists, cause that’s what her socialist chic friends at the quad told her.

    Joshua Sinistar

    June 28, 2016 at 9:18 pm

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