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The MSM has to use the word “peaceful” whenever possible when describing anything to do with Black Lives Matters.

Channel 3 Phoenix:

What started out as a peaceful, if loud and passionate, protest took a tense turn Friday night, including the deployment of pepper spray by police as a “crowd control measure.”

The Gulf War also started out peaceful until someone fired the first shot.

Channel 3 Phoenix failed to mention in the article that some protestors were throwing rocks at the police (see People Magazine article).

Why aren’t Donald Trump rallies every described as peaceful?

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

July 9, 2016 at 1:36 pm

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  1. I went to a Donald Trump rally last week and was amazed at how clean, polite, and normal everyone was, in contrast to what the media would have people believe. None of the supporters were going around trying to start anything, and the most obnoxious behavior I observed was referring to Hillary Clinton as a bitch (but come on, it’s a political rally).

    Jokah Macpherson

    July 9, 2016 at 1:40 pm

    • Major television and written media are held in common ownership at near monopoly levels! PC is “top down” propaganda as demanded by the owners and high level officers who are largely the Dem “establishment” inside the DC Beltway!

      Eternal Vigilance

      July 14, 2016 at 8:23 pm

  2. Right. And they somehow avoid providing the much vaunted ‘context’ they are always trumpeting; at least the context that identifies black deaths at the hands of police within the context of black comparative criminality.


    July 9, 2016 at 1:56 pm

  3. Lion, don’t you realize that we are living in a capitalist dictatorship?. Communist dictatorship, cacapitalist dictatorship– what’s the difference?


    July 9, 2016 at 2:01 pm

    • Yes, and we have people who will turn us in for though crimes just like they did in the Soviet Union and E. Germany. Didn’t Merkel grow up in E. Germany?

      Just as Pravda supported the party line the MSM supports our partly line of diversity and integration along with globalization

      Ironically it’s capitalism that will end up destroying the west..


      July 9, 2016 at 10:57 pm

      • If you think the West is “capitalist” you are utterly deluded.


        July 10, 2016 at 9:20 am

      • “If you think the West is “capitalist” you are utterly deluded.

        lol i love libertarian no true scotsman crap like this


        james n.s.w

        July 10, 2016 at 4:25 pm

      • Thank you james n.s.w, I didn’t know what the hell he was talking about.


        July 12, 2016 at 9:13 am

    • “Communist dictatorship, cacapitalist dictatorship– what’s the difference?”

      Communism murdered 100 million people and impoverished every nation that tried it. You are a pussy if you think what we have now is real oppression. Where is the gulag? Where are the bodies, stacked a mile high as they were in every single Communist country?

      Most people in America are in their own mental prisons, too afraid of the social consequences to say what is on their mind. That is not the same as being shipped off to a gulag or shot in the head if you say the wrong thing.

      I wear a Trump shirt and Trump hat in public and it is great. It is liberating to strike up a pleasant conversation in the grocery store about which meat cuts are best for grilling or the weather with random strangers while wearing those things, as if its a Yankees cap. I was self conscious at first but this was more of a mental prison than anything. If it acts as garlic to liberal vampires, so much the better.

      If I wore a ‘Stalin sucks’ T-shirt in the USSR back in the day, what are the odds that I would make it home?


      July 10, 2016 at 8:19 am

      • Dan, I was speaking metaphorically, but you proved my point, thank you. “Most people in America are in their own mental prisons, too afraid of the social consequences to say what is on their mind. ”

        So in other words, you agree that they are in a prison, however defined.

        The social consequences of being honest are real. You could lose a job. Losing a job in the US means losing status. I lost a job because I simply didn’t respond enthusiastically to something an SJW said once. She was in a position to get me fired, and did.


        July 10, 2016 at 9:56 am

      • You have no evidence for the 100 million statistic. And if you include about, say, the high-teen millions that died in the Great Leap Forward. You will realize that they were not “murdered”, but were the unfortunate victims of natural disasters, bad foreign relations (such as the Sino-Soviet split and the embargo placed on the West by China), an inability to recognize a famine to due miscommunication and over-optimistic explanations, and bad policy.

        The communists actually lowered the death rate of China after the Chinese Revolution,with the exception of the Great Leap Forward.

        “A few statistics demonstrate the significance of that period. In 1949, industrial infrastructure was negligible. Electricity availability outside small urban areas was near zero. Literacy rate was below 20 per cent. Immunisation rate was virtually non-existent and average life expectancy 41 years old.

        On the eve of Deng’s reforms in 1979, China had built the framework of basic industrial infrastructures, though still very limited. Extensive national and local grids with about 10,000 newly built hydroelectric dams increased electricity coverage to over 60 per cent even in the poorest rural areas. Literacy rate reached an astonishing 66 per cent meaning well over 80 per cent of youth – among the highest among poor developing nations. Hundreds of millions of people were immunised, nearly 100 per cent of children at the age of one, and average life expectancy reached 65. In fact, by 1978, China’s human development index was already closing in on much richer developed nations ”

        I find some of Mao’s policies reprehensible, but he did preside over a massive increase in living standards.


        July 10, 2016 at 11:11 pm

      • Don’t forget the capitalist dog ate Mao’s homework. The poor guy just couldn’t get a break.

        Here’s one source with a lot of references:

        Or browse through the Black Book of Communism.


        July 11, 2016 at 3:45 am

      • Where are the 100,000,000 bodies? Where are the death camps and gas chambers in communist countries?


        July 11, 2016 at 6:41 am

      • ” I lost a job because I simply didn’t respond enthusiastically to something an SJW said once. She was in a position to get me fired, and did.”

        OK I bet there is a good story behind that.

        Mike Street Station

        July 11, 2016 at 12:16 pm

      • Is the word ‘gulag’ familiar?

        An acquaintance of mine who grew up in communist Poland had his grandmother and uncle sent to Soviet spa, and they liked it so much they never came back.


        July 11, 2016 at 12:50 pm

      • “Communism murdered 100 million people and impoverished every nation that tried it.”

        But Cuba contained AIDs much more effectively than the US. Just read Steve Sailer. And when China became Communist, they got rid of foot binding and raised living standards radically. Chinese peasants were living in literal pigshit before the Commies took over.

        I also question the 100M mark.


        July 12, 2016 at 9:15 am

      • ” I lost a job because I simply didn’t respond enthusiastically to something an SJW said once. She was in a position to get me fired, and did.”

        OK I bet there is a good story behind that.

        Not bad. But if I told you the whole story Homeland Security would figure out who I am and drag me off in the middle of the night, never to be heard of again.🙂

        Basically the set up was that there was a series of wordless confrontations between me (hard-edged, cynical, conservative NY Jew) and an SJW from the south trying to be a Brooklyn hipsterette. I practiced what psychologists call “extinguishing behavior” but this was taken to be disagreement. Which I guess it was. To an SJW, disagreement is very threatening.

        At the time I didn’t fully recognize that i was dealing with a Special Snowflake who just cannot abide being disagreed with. These characters are borderline maniacs. They don’t have thin skins. They have no skin.


        July 12, 2016 at 9:26 am

      • “Basically the set up was that there was a series of wordless confrontations” – brought upon by her insistence on mentioning political topics at work.


        July 12, 2016 at 9:29 am

      • Me thinks that the NAM problem in America, is capitalism.

        More miscreant blacks, means more law enforcement jobs, more prisons to build, more welfare subsidies to dole out….etc.

        Housing costs in safe neighborhoods are expensive and profitable to the rent collectors, and without the black underclass, landlords could not ask for more!


        July 14, 2016 at 9:18 pm

      • Our politicians are wrapped up and facilitating a game of Monopoly. At the outset of the game, you had open and free competition but as the winners concentrate their wealth they begin to act as monopolies do, attempting to destroy the competition and narrow the entities within which the public and private sectors can do business. Only thing you cannot do in Monopoly is to dodge taxes by moving to another country or to a tax haven such as the Grand Caymans, Sicily or Switzerland. In the USA today, major TV and print media, GM, GE, Hershey Foods, all part of the fed establishment; all functioning as full blown monopolies where only Wall Street and the inside the DC beltway crowd benefit..

        Eternal Vigilance

        July 15, 2016 at 10:13 pm

    • “If you think the West is “capitalist” you are utterly deluded.”

      . Yes, we have govt intervention in subsidies and bailouts if that is what is you mean. It is not pure capitalism.


      July 10, 2016 at 10:55 am

  4. Weren’t they chanting about doead cops at one of their rallies?


    July 9, 2016 at 2:43 pm

  5. Everything was black and peaceful and passionate until…………………

    …”the deployment of pepper spray by police”….the White Devils showed up and you know the story.


    July 9, 2016 at 2:44 pm

  6. The most eye-opening thing for me these past few months – first with Orlando, then to a certain degree Brexit, and now this – is the extreme level of propaganda emanating from our MSM. It has always been bad, I know, but I think what has changed is that they have become extremely sloppy (arrogant?) in their incessant building of the government narrative at the expense of obvious truth and reality. It is frankly unsettling.

    Sagi Is My Guru

    July 9, 2016 at 2:56 pm

    • A day ago someone I follow on twitter pointed out that so many journalists are on twitter that one can see narratives being formed in real time.

      That’s how I knew Orlando would be about gun control.


      July 9, 2016 at 9:34 pm

    • As Derb says, the narrative keeps crashing very quickly.

      The specter of Narrative Collapse hovers over all these kinds of incidents now. The Narrative favored and promoted by black race activists and Main Stream Media Goodwhites is of heartless white authority figures doing violence against helpless, harmless blacks. The MSM do everything they can to reinforce that narrative. That’s why the most-publicized photograph of Trayvon Martin, who was 17 years old when George Zimmerman shot him in 2012, was one taken when he was twelve years old.

      In all too many case, that initial MSM Narrative collapses when all the details come in.


      July 10, 2016 at 9:22 am

      • So what? The Narrative crashes and the shit keeps getting deeper. Oh wait, you’re the person who doesn’t think that capitalism holds us in a death grip. You think I’m deluded.



        July 10, 2016 at 9:57 am

      • What happens if the narrative keeps crashing and the elite can’t sustain it? 1989, 1917. The Mandate of Heaven is lost.

        Do some research into the level of government intervention in the economy. The market isn’t even remotely “free”. There is nobody more stupid than someone who thinks that “corporations make money so they must be capitalist”.


        July 11, 2016 at 9:33 am

      • There is nobody more stupid than someone who believes free enterprise has ever existed.

        The British East India company
        Dutch East India Company

        PUHleeze. These entities exist because of government, and the military.


        July 12, 2016 at 9:37 am

      • There is nobody more stupid than someone who thinks there is no difference between the East India Company and Solyndra. Puhleaze, indeed.


        July 14, 2016 at 9:48 pm

  7. Black Radical protests are called “peaceful” because surprising things are worthy of note, while Trump rallies aren’t called “peaceful” because unsurprising things aren’t worthy of note.
    Might this be an appropriate time for Netanyahu to assure Trump that America will be protected? I would certainly feel more comfortable if IDF units were patrolling Brooklyn, and especially the subway system. NYPD cops are starting to look very much like the people they arrest, or fail to arrest.


    July 9, 2016 at 3:08 pm

  8. Don’t forget the peaceful looting of the 7-11.


    July 9, 2016 at 4:32 pm

  9. In Portland OR, a peaceful protest was interrupted by a guy who drew his gun and was found to have 5 magazines with him.


    July 9, 2016 at 11:27 pm

  10. A peaceful blm protest was interrupted in Portland, OR by a white guy who drew his gun at the crowd. The guy was found to be in possession of 5 magazine cartridges.


    July 9, 2016 at 11:29 pm

  11. i hope everyone keep its calm. there is Nothing worse as civil war except a racial civil war. Blacks and white are legitimate USA citizens ….

    Bruno from Paris

    July 10, 2016 at 5:21 am

    • Negative, my eurotrash toolbox. Now get thee to a mosque…


      July 10, 2016 at 12:40 pm

    • We don’t think about legitimacy here, Bruno, we think about who might want to kill us and who might help us when others try to kill us, and who might try to keep us from dying when we’ve almost been killed. I’m pretty sure the Mexicans in my neighborhood (Sunset Park) are 90% illegitimate, but on the other hand I’m pretty sure that less than .1% of them want me dead. On the other hand, 25% of the legitimate Puerto Ricans here probably want me dead, as do 51% of the Blacks on Fulton Mall. Now, would the illegitimate Mexicans try to help me if the legitimate Puerto Ricans tried to kill me? That’s the big question.


      July 10, 2016 at 1:24 pm

    • The only way for us to get rid of the left is for there to be a race war. Race War now!

      Otis the Sweaty

      July 10, 2016 at 8:06 pm

  12. I guess it’s obvious to right-wing Americans, but it has only fulyl dawned on me that when middle class whites fawned over Obama as a ‘racial healer’ and ‘uniter’ this was really a coded way of respectable whites saying that they were terrified by the lawlessness of blacks and felt powerless as whites to do anything about it, and therefore they looked to Obama as a ‘saviour’ just as blacks did.

    Whites feel morally unable to police nonwhite behaviour, and are thus forced to contract it out. This is just as true in Europe where Merkel has speeded up the application of Turkey to join the EU in the hope that Turkey can do the job that Europeans won’t do and defend the border against refugees.

    One can imagine that in America the net result of the past week will be that police will shy away from stopping and searching black men in cars and on the streets. This will make it easier for black thugs to carry weapons and drugs and will turn them into even more effective and more arrogant, untouchable criminals. This will lead to more crime, more black dysfunction and white fear, and an increasingly desperate hope on the part of whites that a new black messiah can come along and save them from black anger.

    Of course this won’t happen because liberal whites are too steeped in their own worldview to be able to understand that the policies and language of the black politicans they pin thier hopes upon will only add fuel to the fire. And of course cynical electoral calculation on the part of black (and white) Democrats would mean that they have no interest in solving black America’s criminality and in fact have good reasons for it to flourish.

    Perhaps the long-term answer will come with the Hispanicisation of America. A Mexican president could serve the same function as Erdogan for the refugee crisis; solving the problem without whites getting their consciences dirty.

    prolier than thou

    July 10, 2016 at 6:20 am

    • I remember Howard Stern back in the day saying New Yorkers voted in Dinkins as mayor in hopes he would keep the blacks under control, hopes which were painfully disappointed.


      July 10, 2016 at 10:53 am

    • If I were a cop and pulled over a car and as I walked over to it, saw it was full of black people, I think at this point I would just wave it on. I wouldn’t want to even look at a license. Much easier on the career and piece of mind to go pull over some soccer moms.

      Mike Street Station

      July 11, 2016 at 12:24 pm

  13. In fairness to Blacks, MSM often act surprised while mentioning that white anarchists protested peacefully.


    July 10, 2016 at 6:20 am

    • White tea partiers and Trump aficionados rally peacefully. Anarchists are trouble I think. They are linked to the Antifa, which is genuinely violent in Europe.


      July 10, 2016 at 11:28 am

  14. Lion, check out The NY Times and WaPo (both Big Capitalist Tool papers) — they are consumed by the massacre. I think even they are worried that the Narrative is slipping out of their control.

    The Times is the more Gray Lady hysterical, but WaPo has reached full Wolfian/Toole absurdity:

    Bottom of that link is another story “The Post Recommends” you can click on:

    “Black folks are tired. We are just tired. I am not justifying what he did, but I see why he did it,” said a neighbor of Micah Johnson.”

    That about says where we are in the False Narrative. On the one hand (not justifiying) on the other (it’s justified).

    Blacks and liberals play a game of 3 card monte, which they always win.

    BTW, the organizer of the Black Lies Matter protest in Dallas is one Pastor Jeff Hood, who is truly a piece of work:


    July 10, 2016 at 10:13 am

  15. Speaking of narratives, the MSM and leftists are desperately trying to blame everyone and everything but those responsible. Muslims commit terrorism and they want to blame guns or “islamophobia”. Blacks commit disproportionate amounts of violent crime and they want to blame “racist” police and courts.

    Here are a few facts to debunk the latter:

    Cops killed nearly twice as many whites as blacks in 2015. According to data compiled by The Washington Post, 50 percent of the victims of fatal police shootings were white, while 26 percent were black. Some may argue that these statistics are evidence of racist treatment toward blacks, since whites consist of 62 percent of the population and blacks make up 13 percent of the population. However, the percentage each group contributes to the general population isn’t nearly as relevant as the percentage each contributes to the criminal population. 2009 statistics from the Bureau of Justice Statistics reveal that blacks were charged with 62 percent of robberies, 57 percent of murders and 45 percent of assaults in the 75 biggest counties in the country, despite only comprising roughly 15 percent of the population in these counties.

    Even more important than the criminal population is the direct and immediate threat to life posed by that population. Blacks are 18.5 times more likely to kill cops than be killed by cops. This clearly shows that deadly confrontations are overwhelmingly being initiated by black suspects not police. Moreover, 40% of cop killers are black. This is nearly three times their percentage of the general population and a direct measure of the relative threat blacks pose to the lives of police officers. Therefore, if fewer than 40% of those shot by police are black this would strongly suggest that officers are favoring blacks not targeting them. This is also supported by the fact that Black and Hispanic police officers are 3.3 times more likely to fire a gun at blacks than white officers. White officers know they will face greater scrutiny for any shooting of a black suspect. So they’re more reluctant to shoot black suspects than their black and hispanic counterparts.

    Not only does the evidence not show that blacks are targeted, it shows the opposite. It shows that blacks are being given preferential treatment by police officers in general and by white officers in particular.

    * The quoted numbers and links to their sources can be found in the following article if someone wants to track them down.


    July 10, 2016 at 2:13 pm

    • Blacks are 18.5 times more likely to kill cops than be killed by cops.

      I wasn’t sure how to interpret that, so looked at your source: “[T]he police officer is 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black than a cop killing an “unarmed black person.”

      Logic and evidence probably won’t play a major role in slowing the Black Lives Matter juggernaut. The main factor is that whites are weak and getting weaker by the day. Blacks smell blood in the water.

      Mark Caplan

      July 10, 2016 at 10:09 pm

  16. OT: Lion, how have you not blogged about Trump’s spokeswoman, Hope Hicks? This comely 27 year old is Trump’s only media handler, compared to Clinton who has maybe a dozen. She’s young, attractive, plus she has an unusual name.

    Average Man

    July 10, 2016 at 6:10 pm

  17. During the Euromaidan coup, the Euromaidan was described as “peaceful” despite that it is dominated by neo-fascist and neo-Nazi “activists”.

    Black Lives Matters makes Euromaidan look very mild. Why do Conservatives praise the new Ukraine while criticizing BLMs?

    Start watching at 37:40

    I wish Trump could say something against the fascists in Ukraine. I support no one in this election.

    To its credit, the American Conservative has some articles critical of US foreign policy in Ukraine. They seem to be the fortunate exception.


    July 10, 2016 at 10:10 pm

    • Euromaidan makes Black Lives Matter look mild.


      July 10, 2016 at 10:16 pm

    • You try to make everything about Ukraine. But this has nothing to do with Ukraine. Even if it did, Ukraine has every right to independence. Free from soviets rigging their elections, trying to assassinate their president and fomenting revolution as a pretext to invasion and conquest. You’re not just on the wrong side, you’re on the evil side.


      July 11, 2016 at 2:52 am

      • No, the Euromaidan are on the side of evil.

        Russia was no involved in any invasion in Ukraine. It did not conquer Crimea. There was a referendum after the illegal, violent coup of Yanukovych in Crimea, and the people of Crimea voted to join Russia. The people of Eastern Ukraine do not want to be subjugated by the illegal coup government.

        It seems that violence is just some BS reason to oppose BLM. If it were whites rioting, no one would care, and come up with reasons to be sympathetic with them. People inherently do not condemn violence.

        The violence of BLM is fairly mild, and conservatives only emphasis it to promote some agenda.


        July 11, 2016 at 4:19 pm

    • “Why do Conservatives praise the new Ukraine while criticizing BLMs?”

      because the new ukraine is anti-russian and the dumb GOPe is still stuck with the idea that “russia,” is just a rebranding of the ussr.


      July 11, 2016 at 9:52 am

      • I’m amazed at the self-delusion it must take to convince oneself that Russia and the Soviet Union are two completely different countries just because they changed their name and lost some of their colonies. If China lost Hong Kong, Mongolia and Tibet and changed their name would you claim it was a different country, too?


        July 11, 2016 at 1:06 pm

      • The Soviet Union did not have any “colonies”. They could be considered “social imperialist”, but I would say that however paternalistic they were to its client states, they were relatively benign compared to US backed states, like Chile, El Salvador, and Guatemala. Central America and the Caribbean excluding Cuba is (or should be to the US) one giant American colony.

        Even if Russia still embodies some of the essence of the Soviet Union, I do not see why it should merit any hostility.

        Russia is not out to get you. Russia is perfectly justified for its actions in Crimea.


        July 11, 2016 at 7:52 pm

      • Euromaidan weren’t the ones who systematically starved 12 million people to death. The Soviets did that. More recently, the Soviets fomented a civil war in Crimea as a pretext to invasion and conquest.

        Yanukovych wasn’t ousted in a coup. The Ukrainian parliament voted 380 to 0 to remove him from office, because he was guilty of gross human rights violations and dereliction of duty. The violence was a result of his using special police in an attempt to hang on to power.

        The Soviets enslaved nearly 300 million and murdered tens of millions. But you defend and support them because you’re a marxist.


        July 11, 2016 at 10:36 pm

      • You have no evidence of a systemic starvation. You have no evidence of a “Holodomor”. There was no such as a “Soviet Starvation Campaign”. (read the review of the Black Book of Communism. The harvest was low, and while the Soviets did employ punitive measures against kulaks, it is clear that they did not see the famine as a punitive measure, but as an internal crisis.)

        You have no evidence of tens of millions of people killed by Soviets, except Wehrmacht personnel.

        (it also links to an article written by J. Arch Getty about the victims of the Soviet penal system).

        Yanukovych was likely afraid for his life, especially after violent thugs were not willing to accept the concessions he generously offered. Perhaps you would admire if he was more like Allende, who is also a victim of a coup. If it wasn’t a coup, why was Victoria Nuland planning to appoint officials, such as Yatsenyuk, to cabinet positions, before the culmination of the “protest” movement?

        I defend the Soviet Union, because many of the allegations against them are fabrications and lies, such as the “Holodomor” and the tens of millions of deaths. I oppose the Euromaidan because I am against the subjugation of Eastern Ukrainians and Crimeans.

        I don’t understand why you oppose BLM. The Euromaidan movement was much more violent than they ever were.


        July 12, 2016 at 12:16 am

      • I wonder why there are 1488ers and people wearing Nazi uniforms in Ukraine.


        July 12, 2016 at 12:22 am

      • EDIT: After checking, I see the 12 million estimate is an outlier. Change it to simply “millions”.


        July 12, 2016 at 2:34 am

      • The evidence for Soviet mass murder is overwhelming. Are you minimizing Soviet genocide because you’re Russian? Or are you doing it to support your marxist beliefs?


        July 12, 2016 at 2:35 pm

      • You still have no evidence for systemic starvation. I support BLM more than the Azov Battalion.

        It is official policy, not just covert action. We now support neo-Nazis.


        July 12, 2016 at 2:59 pm

      • The evidence for Soviet mass murder is overwhelming. Ipse dixit.

        Well, what about the “Holodomor”? What is the “overwhelming evidence” that the famine of 1932-33 was mass murder, “Soviet starvation campaign of 1933”, “systemic starvation”, and a “Holodomor”?

        The Yezhovschina (or “Great Purge”) is complex and there is some controversy on its interpretation. You probably take the intentionalist side that Stalin had a preconceived plan to kill hundreds of thousands of people from groups with perceived suspect loyalty, while I take the view that were not inspired by Stalin and conducted by the initiative of rogue NKVD personnel. No doubt the Yezhovschina was a period of mass murder,

        Again, I never said that allegations of mass murder in the Soviet Union are not credible, just that the total doesn’t add up to tens of millions. The Soviet archives do not support those figures.

        Anyone who opposes Black Lives Matter while supporting the current Kiev regime is a hypocrite. Ted Cruz is an example, as he supports lethal aid to Ukraine. It is a blatant lie to present the Euromaidan movement as “peaceful” protestors petitioning their grievances who only want democracy.


        July 12, 2016 at 6:17 pm

      • That’s the first time you’ve actually asked for evidence. It’s not like the evidence isn’t readily available. Of course, given your obvious obsession with the topic you already know the evidence. It’s fairly straight forward.

        1 – The drought of 1932-33 wasn’t particularly severe.
        2 – The Soviets passed a law prohibiting Ukrainians from eating their own crops.
        3 – The military was sent to the region to confiscate Ukrainian harvests.
        4- Soviets prohibited other countries from sending food aid.
        5 – Soviets instituted internal passports and checkpoints to prevent starving people from leaving.
        6 – The only regions with heavy death tolls were Ukraine and Kazakhstan. Both of which had had independence movements.
        7 – Stalin tried to cover it up.

        All of those are documented and demonstrate a deliberate and systematic genocide.

        Anyone who supports Russian separatists in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine while engaging in apologetics for Soviet genocide against Ukrainians seeking independence in the very same region is a hypocrite.

        I ask again, are you Russian?


        July 12, 2016 at 8:52 pm

      • The famine affected other reasons in the Soviet Union. There might not have been a severe drought. Regionally uniform weather could be conducive to the spread of agricultural diseases as mentioned by Tauger (on the Bengali famine).

        The records from the kolkhozy, assessed by Professor Tauger, shows that most kolkhozy from his sample had low yields, indicating a bona fide food shortage.

        This is a some brief information from J. Arch Getty that addresses some of your points.

        This link, under the section of “Maksudov’s Falsification”, talks about the nature of the “law of three ears” and how most of the peasants actually supported it. I suppose that is what you meant that the peasants were prevented from eating their own grain. (I have a physical copy of the book.)

        You could say as Getty has that “the [Bolshevik’s] conduct in this was erratic, incompetent, and cruel
        and millions of people suffered unimaginably and died as a result” but the famine is not a deliberate genocide. My biases (and ignorance of the detailed aspects of the famine) would say that they were not “cruel” but merely instituting “tough love” to industrialize the Soviet Union, but any objective person with some rudimentary knowledge should understanding that it was not a genocide.

        I don’t see how supporting the separatists in the Donbass and Russia’s actions in Crimea, while opposing anti-communist, Ukrainian nationalist historiography is hypocrisy. Indeed, it would make me very consistent to take those positions since the separatists reject Ukrainian nationalist historiography .


        July 12, 2016 at 11:27 pm

      • None of that realistically addressed a single point. You’re simply trying to gloss over a genocide for ideological reasons. And possibly ethnic reasons as well. I ask a third time — are you Russian?


        July 13, 2016 at 12:02 am

      • So you think that rejecting foreign aid and an preventing movement to prevent the famine from spreading and to stop speculators is tantamount to a genocide?

        “On February 1 1933 the Politburo decreed that the following persons should not be prosecuted under this law: (cyrillic) Translated:

        those guilty of individual acts of petty theft of public property, or workers who have committed theft because of need (poverty), or from lack of consciousness and in the presence of other mitigating circumstances.

        This was confirmed by an order of the Presidium (the executive body of the Soviet government) of March 27 1933. A joint instruction of the Central Committee and the Central Executive Committee – that is, the main bodies of the Party and the Government, of May 8 1933 greatly restricted the punishments under this law. Several other decrees limited punishment under this law and released persons convicted under it.”

        Obviously if there are saboteurs and an internal insurgency of Kulaks, then the military should be sent.

        Still, none of your points indicate that the famine was an artificial punitive measure.


        July 13, 2016 at 12:30 am

      • The Soviets deliberately created the food shortage by confiscating food and preventing starving people from either receiving food aid or fleeing. They targeted regions with ethnic groups who wanted independence. And they sought to cover it up both during and after the fact. These are well-documented and conclusion obvious. You have no interest in the truth. You’re simply engaging in propaganda designed to muddy the water and excuse genocide committed by an ideology and/or ethnic group you prefer against another for whom you’ve previously expressed prejudice. Your tactic is to simply argue until the other party loses interest or becomes frustrated.

        You’ve previously admitted being a marxist. Now, I ask again, are you also Russian?


        July 13, 2016 at 12:05 pm

      • Would you say the same accusation against Mark Tauger and J. Arch Getty about them not being interested in the truth? Would you call them “David Irvings”?

        You could attack them by saying that they are like “Holocaust deniers” or you could address their work, particularly the former.

        You are ascribing malicious intentions to the Soviets, when you have no evidence that their policies had genocidal intent. A lack of evidence on your part is just a malevolent Soviet coverup. All you have is an anti-communist interpretation derived from Ukrainian nationalist historiography.

        Do you love Stepan Bandera? As for me, maybe I could be an “honorary Russian”. I wish I could be with these people.

        How about I accuse the British of genocide for numerous famines, such as the Bengali famine, Irish potato famine, Great Famine of 1876-78? We should forget those things happened right, while we trumpet the “Holodomor”.

        Because you are probably too lazy to click it.

        Many questions have ambiguous answers.

        > 1 Why was the Ukraine sealed off by the Soviet authorities?

        Not necessarily to punish Ukrainians. It was also done to prevent starving
        people from flocking into non-famine areas, putting pressure on scarce food
        supplies there, and thereby turning a regional disaster into a universal
        one. This was also the original reason for the internal passport system,
        which was adopted in the first instance to prevent the movement of hungry
        and desperate people and, with them, the spread of famine.

        > 2 Why were foreign journalists, even Stalin apologists like Duranty,
        > refused access to the famine areas?

        For the same reason that US journalists are no longer allowed into US combat
        zones (Gulf War, Afghanistan) since Vietnam. No regime is anxious to take
        the chance on bad press if they can control the situation otherwise.

        > 3 Why was aid from other countries refused?

        Obviously to deny the “imperialists” a chance to trumpet the failure of
        socialism. Certainly politics triumphed over humanitarianism. Moreover, in
        the growing paranoia of the times (and based on experience in the Civil War)
        the regime believed that spies came along with relief administration.

        > 4 Why do I read and hear stories of families who tried to take supplies
        > from other regions to help their extended families through the period
        > all foodstuffs confiscated as they crossed back into the famine regions?

        The regime believed, reasonably I think, that speculators were trying to
        take advantage of the disaster by buying up food in non-famine (but
        nevertheless food-short) regions, moving it to Ukraine, and reselling it at
        a higher price. In true Bolshevik fashion, there was no nuanced approach to
        this, no distinguishing between families and speculators, and everybody was

        As with point 1 above, regimes facing famine typically try to contain the
        disaster geographically. This is not the same as intending to punish the

        > 5 If it was a harvest failure, why was the burden of that failure not
        > simply shared across the Soviet Union?

        It was. No region had a lot of food in 1932-33. Food was short and
        expensive everywhere. Everybody was hungry.

        With the above suggestions, I do not mean to make excuses or apologies for
        the Stalinists. Their conduct in this was erratic, incompetent, and cruel
        and millions of people suffered unimaginably and died as a result. But it
        is too simple to explain everything with a “Bolsheviks were just evil
        people” explanation more suitable to children than scholars.

        It was more complex than that. Although the situation was aggravated in
        some ways by Bolshevik mistakes, their attempts to contain the famine, once
        it started, were not entirely stupid, nor were they necessarily gratuitously
        cruel. The Stalinists did, by the way, eventually cut grain exports and
        did, by the way, send food relief to Ukraine and other areas. It was too
        little too late, but there is no evidence (aside from constantly repeated
        assertions by some writers) that this was a deliberately inflicted

        Tauger has some more information.

        Here he discusses the estimates of the agricultural yields from Ukrainian collective farms. Do you have any criticism for his data being false or unrepresentative?


        July 13, 2016 at 4:20 pm

      • How about I accuse the British of genocide for numerous famines, such as the Bengali famine, Irish potato famine, Great Famine of 1876-78? We should forget those things happened right, while we trumpet the “Holodomor”.

        You can if you like. But it would be deflection. As well as further demonstrating that your real goal is to excuse the Russian genocide of Ukrainians.

        You could attack them by saying that they are like “Holocaust deniers” or you could address their work, particularly the former.

        Historian James Mace wrote that Mark Tauger’s argument “is not taken seriously by either Russians or Ukrainians who have studied the topic.”


        The Soviets deliberately created the food shortage by confiscating food and preventing starving people from either receiving food aid or fleeing. They targeted regions with ethnic groups who wanted independence. And they sought to cover it up both during and after the fact. These are well-documented and the conclusion obvious. You have no interest in the truth. You’re simply engaging in propaganda designed to muddy the water and excuse genocide committed by an ideology and/or ethnic group you prefer against another for whom you’ve previously expressed prejudice. Your tactic is to simply argue until others either lose interest or becomes frustrated and quit

        You’ve previously admitted being a marxist. Now, I ask again, are you also Russian?


        July 13, 2016 at 5:42 pm

      • You can if you like. But it would be deflection. As well as further demonstrating that your real goal is to excuse the Russian genocide of Ukrainians.

        I would also say that your real goal is to make the famine of 1932-33 a genocide, and to denigrate anything positive about Joseph Stalin. I have no interest in saying that the British Empire was genocidal, but it should be remembered the British Empire did preside over several famines in their colonies.

        So why aren’t you even interested in the aforementioned famines, and why are they not a genocide.The British also neglected food aid too in the famine of 1876-78.

        I suppose you are not interested in even repeating the work of Tauger, but you rather refute him by quoting James Mace.

        I think this article reflects your sentiments. It was the article that Tauger was responding to in the ArtUkraine link.


        July 13, 2016 at 8:20 pm

      • Here is Mark Tauger on MH17.

        “These Russians, with Putin’s help and implied consent, have created an extremely volatile and dangerous military crisis for no good reason. Apparently behind this crisis is Putin’s adherence to the crank Eurasianist ideas of Russian historian Aleksandr Dugin, and Putin’s similarly irrational fears about Ukraine becoming associated with the European Union and NATO. – See more at:

        This shows at least some criticism for Putin, as Tauger calls his fears “irrational”.

        Tauger would probably say that I am virulently and irrationally anti-Maidan if he understood the various posts I made on Ukraine. (I prefer to be called “anti-Maidan” than a Putin apologist, and “anti-Maidan” describes my views towards Ukraine than being pro-Putin.) “Euromaidan” sounds like a rip-off of the name of a metal band. It sounds like a fascist, white supremacy band. I am horrified by the violence committed by the “peaceful protestors” and the lack of condemnation for it in the West.

        Tauger is in no way a Putin or Soviet apologist, and the same could be said about Stephen F. Cohen. But if you are dealing with someone such as Tauger or even someone who more sympathetic to the Soviet Union and Stalin such as Grover Furr, you have to deal with their evidence.

        Mongolia is not part of China so China already “lost” it assuming that they had it. People are more sympathetic towards “Free Tibet” than “Free Donbass” and “Free Crimea” (and the latter fortunately happened!) There would be no need for a “Free Donbass” and “Free Crimea” if there wasn’t a Maidan coup.


        July 13, 2016 at 10:34 pm

  18. Have you noticed that whenever some celebrity makes a comment that is hostile to Trump, the media makes it a headline? I went went to, and there was a headline that said, “FROZEN actress to Trump: ‘Zip it.'”


    July 10, 2016 at 11:34 pm

  19. This is fairly mild. Just pushing and shoving by BLM and some hateful rhetoric about killing “crackers”. So this is the best (or worst) that the anti-BLM has to offer. I am unimpressed. It is fairly mild compared by the vicious “protestors” on the Maidan.


    July 11, 2016 at 5:56 pm

    • The woman from 13:00 should just say “Death to America”. It is much less offensive than the genocidal rhetoric she uses.

      Going back through more than half a century of U.S.-Iranian history, the leader said the slogan was justified and would stay.

      But he added this, according to PressTV, the official Iranian broadcaster:

      “The slogan ‘death to America’ is backed by reason and wisdom; and it goes without saying that the slogan does not mean death to the American nation; this slogan means death to the U.S.’s policies, death to arrogance.”

      In his tour of history, Khamenei included an American-backed coup in Iran in 1953 and the spying he said was done from the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, which Iranian students and radicals took over in 1979. They held dozens of American Embassy workers hostage for more than a year.
      Having completed his explanation, Khamenei announced, according to his official website, that he had proved his point.

      “This slogan means death to the policies of the U.S. and arrogant powers,” he said, “and this logic is accepted by every nation when explained in clear terms.”


      July 11, 2016 at 6:13 pm

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