Lion of the Blogosphere

Pence no genius

In the Wall Street Journal (thank you to Hepp for the link to the article):

[Pence] tried to enter the Indiana University School of Law, but scored far too low on the admission test. So he spent the next two years traveling to what seemed like every town in the state as an admissions representative for Hanover–gaining a great education about Indiana, he said.

The next whirl at the LSAT placed him in the 84th percentile, and Pence graduated in 1986 with a solid B average. It was tough.

“No one I know likes law school. It was a bad experience. I wouldn’t wish it on a dog I didn’t like,” he laughed.

I liked law school. Pence doesn’t know any smart law school graduates.

Oh well, I guess he just has to be smart enough to not make any gaffes through November 8th, then he can attend funerals while Donald Trump runs things. Let’s hope he’s up to it.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

July 14, 2016 at 4:59 pm

Posted in Politics

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  1. I think that Mike Pence is about as smart as Joe Biden: smart enough to get through law school and become a conventional politician.

    While I think that the Obama Administration has been awful for the country, Joe Biden has been a decent enough VP.

    And while it’s fun for us to mock the GOPe, we need to bear in mind that Trump will have to work with Congress if he wants to be anything more than a ranter on the bully pulpit, so getting a smart enough, committed enough guy the GOPe likes, and who has had considerable experience in Congress and as a Governor, could help Trump navigate the political world.

    Trump’s weakness isn’t that he’s boring, but that most of the country is uneasy about his hot temper. Pence helps allay that.


    July 14, 2016 at 5:25 pm

    • Despite some gaffes here and there, Biden seems a lot sharper and quicker than Pence, who comes across as a genuine dullard.


      July 14, 2016 at 7:02 pm

      • Biden is literally senile, no joke.

        Andrew E.

        July 14, 2016 at 8:59 pm

    • Pence is an idiot and almost an ANTI – Trump on ALL issues. Immigration, Trade, War, Homos……

      Where does he even agree with Trump?

      Horrible. Some say he doesn’t even believe in Evolution.

      Plus he looks like death.

      Now there is talk he might not be the pick, it might be one of the Three Pigs – Christie, Newt or Huckabee.



      July 15, 2016 at 1:49 am

  2. Lion, why are US politicians such mediocre intellects? Most representatives, senators, and governors (not to mention state- and local-level politicians) have gone to lower-tier schools and in general seem, if not dumb, then very average (even those who attended high tier schools like GW Bush, John Kerry, and Al Gore seem quite average). Are there democracies that have a higher class of politicians? Obviously the Chinese top government officials are mostly engineers from Tsinghua.


    July 14, 2016 at 5:50 pm

    • Because being a politician doesn’t require real work, intellectual or otherwise. It mostly involves being a PR man and salesman and communicating talking points and policies that policymakers and donors want and draw up.


      July 14, 2016 at 7:06 pm

    • Biff has a good question, and he is correct that in other countries, pols usually come across as smarter than American pols. I’ve been following politics in both the UK (the referendum reshuffled the deck) and Australia (recent, very close election) and the difference is striking.

      Two countries where pols sound as dumb as in the US are Canada and Brazil. Canada takes after the US quite a bit culturally. But they did manage to produce some reasonably sharp pols in Harper and the first (definitely not the second) Trudeau. Brazil is a continental sized mixed race country with a history of poor educational institutions and not much contact with the rest of the world, sort of a cartoon version of the US in many ways.

      But the thing with American pols is that they quite often manage to sound dumber than the average, random, American that you meet most days.


      July 14, 2016 at 8:22 pm

      • I’m Canadian, and I approve this message.

        Sadly, the majority of the Canadian public seem enamoured with the young Trudeau, who seems to have inherited all of his mothers’s airhead genes and little of his father, unless you count a vague socialist leaning and an uncanny ability to fool masses of people as to his competence at anything but acting photogenic.

        Truly Pence is a God in intellect compared to Justin. Count yourself lucky.

        We’ve got the popcorn out here, let me tell you. No reality show is more compelling than whats playing out in the US this election season.

        Do the right thing guys. Its pretty damn important this time. Eight years of pixie dust is enough.


        July 15, 2016 at 12:46 am

  3. I guess France has a lot of ENA graduates in government…


    July 14, 2016 at 5:55 pm

  4. So his IQ is 110. Too bad.
    But this new terror attack in Nice, France (at least 30 dead) will bolster Trump support a bit more.

    Sketch Wilson

    July 14, 2016 at 6:02 pm

    • Your IQ is 110 if you think 84th percentile on the LSAT is 110.


      July 14, 2016 at 6:53 pm

      • The LSAT is only taken by people who graduated college and want more school, so only the top-third or so of the population even takes the test. So top 16% is actually top 16% of the top 33%, which is something like the top 5%.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 14, 2016 at 7:10 pm

      • “The next whirl at the LSAT placed him in the 84th percentile…”

        Retest gains are not on g. Maybe he was sick the first time he took the test, but statistically the first crack at the LSAT would be the more accurate estimator of his intelligence.


        July 14, 2016 at 7:37 pm

  5. The best word I would use to describe Pence is “sturdy”. He seems like a good man in a tight corner. He is probably a wonderful neighbor and an even better dad to his kids. If we want a non-PC man’s man who is going to stand up for our own, then we need a state schooled, non-elite, church going guy like a Mike Pence. Let’s face it, if he was some kind of brilliant Rhodes Scholar who graduated from the Harvard Kennedy School of Government then he’d have a D next to his name instead of an R. Elites don’t represent the non-elite anymore.

    We need folks who represent middle class values. I don’t care if Pence is a genius. We need sturdy, salt of the Earth types like Mike Pence. They are simply the only ones left who will fight the good fight.


    July 14, 2016 at 6:03 pm

    • Bingo. Trump needed a normal better half and Pence is that. The rest doesn’t matter. We’re dealing with a country that still thinks a name like Ivanka is probably Communist. I don’t even know what Pence’s kids names are but they are probably very normal.

      PS OK I looked ’em up: Michael, Charlotte and Audrey. Good normal American names.


      July 14, 2016 at 7:44 pm

      • Whitebreadness is totally underrated in political importance these days. Pence may have drawbacks but I love how whitebread he and his wife and kids are.

        It was Romney’s best quality as a candidate. Too bad he is a globalist.

        Andrew E.

        July 14, 2016 at 10:27 pm

      • Exactly. Pence is a yes-man. He’s such a yes-man it’s hilarious. I don’t care that he used to be in favor of immigration before he was against it. That’s the point. He has zero principles. He’ll just do what his boss tells him to. That’s something people like Ann Coulter don’t get.


        July 15, 2016 at 11:40 am

    • Kris Kobach has an incredible educational pedigree – Harvard undergrad, yale law school, oxford masters degree on rhodes scholarship.


      July 15, 2016 at 12:26 am

      • Kris Kobach for Attorney General.


        July 15, 2016 at 2:18 pm

  6. What a VP needs is people skills. This was a smart pick. Trump was right not to pick a general. The Dr. Strangelove jokes would have been endless.


    July 14, 2016 at 6:29 pm

  7. Lion, possible major terrorist attack in Nice, France.


    July 14, 2016 at 6:33 pm

  8. That’s bad news. I love law. Had great time representing myself. I took a sample test just for fun. It was tough, but that’s how it should be. The guy is stupid, there is no question about it. But most people are probably too stupid themselves to realise it.

    Working in Bronx the whole day with all these gregarious, aggressive, loud proles proles around. Tons of fun! They are so different, man. It’s like when you go swimming under water, you enter a different world. Same here. I think many people find swimming relaxing because they enter a different medium. They probably imagine themselves a fish, or a sea cow, or a seal, or whatever. I know I do. Very relaxing. Lion, try it.


    July 14, 2016 at 6:41 pm

    • There’s no such thing as law anymore; that’s the whole lesson to be taken from BLM, SJW careers, the NYFD litigation, etc. If you won in small claims court or something, you won on the facts, nothing to do with “law.” You’re right about swimming though.

      mel belli

      July 14, 2016 at 7:34 pm

  9. Smart people tend to enjoy school; stupid people tend not to.


    July 14, 2016 at 6:48 pm

    • Exactly!

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      July 14, 2016 at 7:09 pm

      • So you don’t believe the story of bright people who simply don’t like sitting in a classroom being lectured at? You might step on some egos with that one…


        July 15, 2016 at 1:08 pm

  10. The 84th percentile among LSAT takers would be 90-95th percentile among general population. So it looks like a reasonable IQ estimate would be ~125. Nothing special but smart enough for veep.


    July 14, 2016 at 6:51 pm

    • I was about to say much the same thing, although that might be my own mediocrity talking. It’s odd to see so many people talking about how someone is “only” in the 84th/95th percentile. Not a fan of Pence but he’s hardly stupid.


      July 15, 2016 at 1:04 pm

  11. A deeply stupid choice. He looks exactly like those traditional bankers pilloried in the WaMu ads. For Trump, job #1 is to avoid making the same impression on voters as Romney, but this guy looks like he personally wrote the ’07 Bankruptcy Act.

    I don’t know about office lawyers, but almost all good trial lawyers hated law school. I liked law school (T14), but was an ineffective trial lawyer.

    Sid Storch

    July 14, 2016 at 7:26 pm

    • Yes, I’m glad I put my money with the cool black guy from WaMu.


      July 14, 2016 at 8:12 pm

      • Remember, crooked as WaMu was, nobody lost any money they deposited there. Plus, they got a great big mortgage they didn’t qualify for. I wonder if that snarky black guy has gotten any TV ad work since ’08.

        West Coast IA

        July 14, 2016 at 11:28 pm

  12. I liked law school.

    I also would have liked law school, but I was going to New England School of Law in the 4-year night program (4 hours per night/4 nights per week/year round) while working full time as a software engineer. I had hoped to finish law school and, with my computer science background, become a patent attorney (not that I really knew what a patent attorney does all day). That didn’t pan out because I dropped out of law school after one year. What is a career as a patent attorney like any way? And is it a realistic path for a third-tier law school grad w/ a Computer Science undergrad degree?

    E. Rekshun

    July 14, 2016 at 9:09 pm

    • If you have the engineering degree needed to take the patent bar and have some real-world engineering experience, then you just need to graduate in the top half of your class at a state law school get get a good career in patent law.

  13. Pence, what a fitting name for a loser? You can get more Anglo Prole than this!!!


    July 14, 2016 at 9:23 pm

  14. Sigh. Look at all the “geniuses” who went to Harvard, Yale, and Princeton, and were complete disasters after they got elected. We could do worse than never elect another person with an “elite” academic pedigree.


    July 14, 2016 at 9:47 pm

  15. Nonsense. If that’s his LSAT percentile he is a genius with an IQ of 130, or possibly as low as 125 depending on the spread that year. A 125-130 range IQ is a lot brighter than many politicians, though low for US presidents who generally are 155-160 in my estimation.

    US politicians and leaders in general have this ‘aw shucks, I ain’t so smart, just a god-fearin’ dum-dum Amerikun, ma’am, that loves the ol’ common peeple’ thing going that relaxes the opposition and certainly arrogant silly Euros every time.


    July 14, 2016 at 10:22 pm

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