Lion of the Blogosphere

Why the coup failed

1. Did not arrest or kill Erdogan at the beginning.
2. Did not turn off internet access for the country.
3. Soldiers were not willing to fire on civilians.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

July 15, 2016 at 11:58 pm

Posted in International

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  1. Basically, there should have been far more arrests. Especially of high officials. Why didn’t the coup plotters declare arrest warrants? Instead, it fizzled out like a candle.


    July 16, 2016 at 12:22 am

  2. According to Erdogan, his hotel was bombed after he left. If true, it sounds like someone dropped the ball and got the timing wrong — either the air strike was too slow in getting off the ground or the ground troops jumped the gun before the air force was ready.

    I think the coup plotters’ hope was that people would abide by the curfew. They were not prepared to massacre civilians in large numbers.

    I’m not aware of a successful coup that inflicted large civilian casualties, at least not in its early stages. The young men who are backing the coup are almost certainly doing so for the perceived good of the country.

    If there is enough hostility within a country for the military to perform civilian massacres, the conditions are probably set for a civil war, not a coup.


    July 16, 2016 at 12:25 am

  3. They should not have told the public to stay indoors. Restless people on a hot night want to be outside protesting. The many “f the system” types were going to go out anyway, and telling people to remain inside implied they all opposed the coup.

    They instead should have told people to go smash up police stations. Dare the police, not the military, to shoot into crowds.


    July 16, 2016 at 1:03 am

    • it was Erdogan who urged people into the street to confront the “minority” military views and apparently he was right.

      Lion of the Turambar

      July 16, 2016 at 9:27 am

      • I know, my point was that restless angry people were going to be on the streets one way or another. The coup plotters, if they told people to go to the streets and attack police stations and other regime assets, might have harnessed them.

        Around the big cities, a narrow majority are anti-Erdogan.


        July 17, 2016 at 1:57 am

  4. On DailyKos and NeoGaf the feeling is one of absolute devastation. Progressives are evil, but not stupid. They know that tonight was a huge blow for Globalism and modernity.

    Otis the Sweaty

    July 16, 2016 at 1:11 am

    • Right Groups like Golden Dawn would not have come to the fore, had Greece remained a provincial backwater, like all of the other Balkan nations, who are not part of the EU. Multicult and immigration are bad for countries like Germany, and most certainly, for poorer nations like Greece, where they cannot deal with it.


      July 16, 2016 at 9:40 am

    • The army will now be cleansed of any remaining secular sympathizers and Turkey will socially and politically go over fully to Islamic dogma unless Erdogan’s party is voted out at the next election. If Erdogan allows another election, which he may well not.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      July 16, 2016 at 10:38 am

  5. They made the same mistakes that the Venezuelan putschists did against Chavez a decade ago. If you are going to pull a coup gotta kill the big man.

    What’s the world coming to, can’t even pull off a coup d’etat anymore.


    July 16, 2016 at 1:18 am

  6. This article from the American Enterprise Institute speculated on a coup back in March and briefly discussed Erdogan’s actions which were provoking it. Kind of interesting.


    July 16, 2016 at 1:25 am

  7. If only the coup plotters read your blog.

    David Pinsen

    July 16, 2016 at 1:29 am

    • That’s what Lion said.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      July 16, 2016 at 10:45 am

  8. i’m with Wency except for this : égyptian society is more islamist than the turkish one but the coup succeeded. i suppose its like in Spain , people at the top of the coup who fail at last moment .

    it s horrible to see that USA favour islamise everywhere ….. hope it will change

    Bruno from Paris

    July 16, 2016 at 5:35 am

    • The Egyptian coup had a number of things going for it, the biggest being that the Islamic Brotherhood did not manage to significantly purge or otherwise hamstring the military in any way. While it was referred to as a “revolution”, most of the Egyptian regime remained intact after the fall of Mubarak, unlike a true revolution, and Morsi’s power was limited from the beginning. The call to depose Morsi came from the top, with the full resources of the military.

      Turkey appears to be a junior officers’ coup, involving a limited faction of the military, with limited resources, who perhaps saw this as a last shot to return their country to the way it used to be.

      On a side note, I’m surprised how many people here are rooting for the Islamists. If you’re having trouble identifying your enemies, you should probably start with the guy shooting at you and loudly demanding death to the infidel (i.e., you and everyone you care about), then go from there. The fact that people you disagree with on the Internet also happen to dislike that guy doesn’t make him your friend.


      July 16, 2016 at 9:03 am

    • Most Turkish people support Erdogan, more than 50% of Turkey’s population like him. The attempted coup by a segment of the military, was a minority.

      Otis might be right. Both the Chief Rabbi and the Patriarch of the Greek Orthodox Church in Istanbul, condemned the attempted coup.


      July 16, 2016 at 9:11 am

      • Simple game theory. The Christians and Jews are powerless to effect what happens either way. If the military wins, they are safe whether they condemned the coup or not. But if the coup fails they better not look like they were anything less than 100% loyal to the elected government. They have nothing to gain by backing the coup. Even if it wins they would have put themselves in a dangerous position by putting a target on their backs for whenever Democracy returns.


        July 16, 2016 at 9:54 am

      • ” more than 50% of Turkey’s population like him. ”

        Popular opinion doesn’t drive much gov’t activity these days.

        But in the long(ish) run, an Erdogan type would likely come back into power.


        July 16, 2016 at 11:04 am

      • ” Both the Chief Rabbi and the Patriarch of the Greek Orthodox Church in Istanbul, condemned the attempted coup”

        That might be a matter of sensible self-preservation. It wouldn’t be a smart move for a minority in an Islamic country to support a coup before you know it’s definitely permanent.

        prolier than thou

        July 16, 2016 at 11:09 am

    • Unlike Egypt this coup wasn’t backed by the full military because Erdogan had removed many of the top leadership from their posts a few years ago. When they pulled the trigger yesterday the coup plotters put up a fight but their choice of targets was too scattered to seize control of the whole capitol quickly.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      July 16, 2016 at 10:44 am

  9. I liked “Midnight Express”!

    E. Rekshun

    July 16, 2016 at 7:09 am

    • Perhaps the best anti-drug movie ever made.


      July 16, 2016 at 9:36 am

      • Great point! Just say no!

        E. Rekshun

        July 16, 2016 at 6:10 pm

  10. From Wency in the other thread:

    The officers who did this have a lot of balls. If it truly does fail, they’ll hang for it. They knew it could fail and that they would hang, and they did it anyway. Give credit where it’s due.

    Yes, I had been thinking the same thing; worth highlighting again. I endorse Erdogan for the sole and solitary reason that I love seeing secularism in any form rolled back. But I salute the courageous officers who led the coup as well.

    Samson J.

    July 16, 2016 at 8:10 am

  11. The most important issues are immigration and Muslim fundamentalism. Maniacs like “Otis” don’t understand that. This is a defeat for the forces of reason.


    July 16, 2016 at 9:43 am

  12. Please comment on the suppression of torture info from the Paris rock concert attack by French Authorities. Check Drudge.

    Is this a game changer?

    Thanks again for your superb work.


    July 16, 2016 at 9:50 am

  13. Arrest warrants have been issued for a huge (100+) number of judges from all over the country’s important courts. I find it hard to believe that judges have anything to do with military matters, even in Turkey. This was most likely not a coup attempt, this was the real thing, and it succeeded. A self-coup.


    July 16, 2016 at 10:03 am

  14. We still don’t know quite what’s going on. The coup appears to have failed but thousands of people are being arrested. Civil war?


    July 16, 2016 at 10:17 am

  15. My Cypriot girlfriend/ladyfriend or whatever I’m supposed to call her at my age, tells me that the Cypriot coup that lead to the Turkish invasion was on the 15th July 1974. An odd coincidence. I wanted to say to her ‘I guess there aint no cure for the Summertime coups’ but experience has taught me that jokes about such things are a bad idea.

    prolier than thou

    July 16, 2016 at 10:58 am

  16. I don’t think they had enough of the military. If you are going to have a military coup, you need almost all the military, at least. That is your base.


    July 16, 2016 at 11:06 am

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