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Erdogan takes advantage of failed coup to go full-on dictator

It has been reported that Erdogan’s government has fired 2,745 judges and issued arrest warrants for 188.

Erdogan is obviously taking advantage of the coup to get rid of everyone in government who doesn’t support him, and replace them with Islamist allies.

That Erdogan was able to do this so quickly indicates the judges had nothing to do with the coup (at least not that they could have possibly had any time to determine) and that Erdogan had a list of enemies and a plan to get rid of them and was just waiting for the right time to implement it.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

July 16, 2016 at 11:21 am

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  1. “Meanwhile, Turkish military authorities have closed the airspace around Turkey’s Incirlik air base — the site Turkey allows the United States to use for operations related to its air campaign against ISIS in Syria and Iraq — a U.S. defense official told CNN on Saturday.
    This has led to a halt in U.S. airstrike missions against ISIS from that location, the official said on condition of anonymity.”

    This is not over by a long shot. We need to get Incirlik open. What’s going on there – what are our pilots and military personnel doing? Are they being held prisoner?

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/15/asia/turkey-military-action/

    gothamette

    July 16, 2016 at 11:33 am

    • Erdogan never wanted to attack ISIS, he believes that the Kurds are the real enemy.

      • This coup was stupid. It would have resulted in a civil war and the strengthening of the Islamists. As it is they failed and the result is strengthening Erdogan.

        Now, what about Incirlik? We built that, we’ve got personnel there. This is an attack on us.

        gothamette

        July 16, 2016 at 11:50 am

      • For any Turkish leader it will always be the Kurds who are the real enemy.

        Jim

        July 16, 2016 at 12:31 pm

      • “Now, what about Incirlik? We built that, we’ve got personnel there. This is an attack on us.”

        It’s not really any sort of attack on us. The personnel are locked down on base and air operations have ceased but they are not hostages or anything like that. All of the civilian dependents were sent home months ago, and the Turks have long been jerking us around with their airspace. Things will probably return to some sort of new normal soon.

        Mike Street Station

        July 16, 2016 at 12:45 pm

      • I’m hoping that Trump picks gothamette as his Secretary of Defense and Yakov as head of DHS.

        Nedd Ludd

        July 16, 2016 at 3:11 pm

      • No, I read Submission and I know that the really important cabinet is Education. Won’t settle for anything less.

        gothamette

        July 16, 2016 at 6:30 pm

      • There are nukes on that airbase. In effect Turkey controls them now. Reassured?

        There are 1500 US soldiers that can’t leave the base, with no power – they are not hostages? Then what’s a hostage?

        gothamette

        July 16, 2016 at 6:37 pm

  2. I think the coup was a false flag op of Erdogan himself.

    Portlander

    July 16, 2016 at 12:17 pm

    • Maybe, but the simpler explanation is that the coup leaders were just inept. Or maybe they did the best they could given that Erdogan has cleaned out the military and replaced all of the secularists with Islamists.

      • True. But it’s possible Erdogan had men on the inside who knew of the conspirators’ plan and allowed it to go ahead and fail in orderto root out those disloyal and give him an opportunity to consolidate his grasp on power. As you’ve pointed out, Erdogan is currently purging the government and courts. And, of course, Obama has chosen to ignore this and urge full support for Erdogan. A responsible president would condemn both the coup as well as Erdogan’s response.

        destructure

        July 16, 2016 at 1:05 pm

  3. I’m starting to lean towards those who think this was a staged coup by Erdogan. It now seems there were very few troops involved, who offered no effective resistance to police or civilians. Jets flew around, which awed news reporters, but instead of doing something militarily useful like bombing police stations or a bridge they blew up the mostly empty Turkish parliament, which obviously was just going to inflame people. They commandeered a few TV news stations, but didn’t shut off internet access, which is how Erdogan rallied his supporters to take to the streets. More strikingly, no coup leaders ever identified themselves to the public as the new heads of government, which is supposed to be SOP for this kind of thing.

    Why would any plotters think this could possibly succeed?

    The marginal resources the coup possessed would suggest this was an act of desperation, but with a few exceptions they didn’t act desperately.

    Richard

    July 16, 2016 at 12:29 pm

    • It was desperate. The time for the military to pull this was years ago. Erdogan has gotten rid of most of the secular military leadership and Islamized the rest, so yeah, I would agree that it’s an act of desperation.

      Mike Street Station

      July 16, 2016 at 12:47 pm

      • If I’m desperate enough to try this, when the odds are so deeply against it succeeding, I’m going to fight ferociously. I’m cutting corners and seizing every advantage I can possibly take, because I’m going to need everything if this has any chance of working. These guys chickened out to unarmed civvies who wouldn’t disperse when ordered.

        Richard

        July 16, 2016 at 1:10 pm

  4. Looks like a Fujimori self-coup to get more power?.

    ricardo

    July 16, 2016 at 1:13 pm

  5. Its fantastic news for me. Turkey going full fash means its impossible for the EU to allow them in politically now. I daresay Merkel will try to declare all Turks German citizens or something to get around it for her yummy muslims haha.

    The Philosopher

    July 16, 2016 at 1:16 pm

  6. A practical lesson in politics is to keep a list of enemies and annoying things that you can rectify whenever there is a crisis of some sort. For example, non-islamist judges or confederate flags.

    Glengarry

    July 16, 2016 at 1:37 pm

  7. A question to be asked: How Islamist is Turkey under Tayyip?

    I don’t see these women with Hijabs.

    Me thinks Erdogan is a radical trying to infused different things for his new vision of Turkey. He’s no different from the Cons (those that Otis hates with a passion), except he acts on them, and is more realistic and pragmatic.

    JS

    July 16, 2016 at 2:04 pm

    • I don’t see these women with Hijabs.

      After this failed coup you can bet that mandatory Turkish hijabs are coming.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      July 16, 2016 at 4:03 pm

      • Again, Erdogan is a radical. I don’t see him as a traditional Islamicist, but a New Age Muslim, who wants to rid Turkey of certain secular aspects that he thinks are detrimental for Turkey.

        JS

        July 16, 2016 at 4:45 pm

      • I don’t see him as a traditional Islamicist, but a New Age Muslim, who wants to rid Turkey of certain secular aspects that he thinks are detrimental for Turkey.

        There is no such thing as ‘New Age Muslim’ outside of your imagination.

        The secular aspects he will get rid of were the only thing keeping Turkey from slipping into third world anarchy.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        July 17, 2016 at 3:37 pm

  8. Erdogan was scared. He ran like a scared rabbit to Germany and asked for asylum. I expect Putin engineered this little party. I’m not sure Erdogan is fully in control. Even if he got all the Generals involved, the others see how vulnerable he is, so any bluster he has from now on will ring hollow. He might play it up as a victory, but his people saw him run. His power is now severely reduced. I doubt he can trust the military anymore. Any civilian forces he has will only agitate the remaining generals if he tries to better arm them. Erdogan’s days of being a big shot are over. He’s been shown as a coward who ran. His strongman image is gone forever.

    Joshua Sinistar

    July 16, 2016 at 2:38 pm

    • Where did you read he ran to Germany? This sounds exaggerated.

      I do think he’s not necessarily fully in control. We don’t know what’s really going on.

      gothamette

      July 16, 2016 at 6:32 pm

  9. the alt right antipathy to erdogan is odd. everything he does is what they want to do in the west (when putin and sorban crack down on liberals the alt right cheers).

    i’m assuming it’s the fact erdogan is an islamist that’s driving the hate.

    dsgntd_plyr

    July 16, 2016 at 4:06 pm

    • ^ ya seriously. One of the things I love here is that everyone has an idiosyncratic point if view.

      As a Christian nationalist, strictly speaking I don’t fully support Islamism. But at least Islam is a Great and Worth Opponent that I can respect, unlike modern secularism which is just vile

      Samson J.

      July 16, 2016 at 5:03 pm

    • “the alt right antipathy to erdogan is odd. everything he does is what they want to do in the west (when putin and sorban crack down on liberals the alt right cheers)”

      I find the attitude that the likes of you and Otis towards Islamists equally odd. It seems like when you think of secularism or women’s rights you see it in global terms irrespective of who is asking for it, or why or where. When I oppose feminists in the West seeking to overthrow the family and gender differences I see this as a rather different struggle to women in rural Pakistan who get sentenced by their village court to a punishment rape for being raped by someone other than their husband. It’s not like ALL reactionaries and ALL progresssives are locked in a global war in which conservatives of the West are the natural allies of what passes for Muslim conservatives. We come from very different cultural starting points and frankly I regard us as having a lot that was worth preserving, and them virtually nothing.

      Muslim and Christian conservatism have little in common. Not only are they not natural allies, they are mutually exclusive. A thriving conservative Muslim society in a Western city could only come at the expense of the Christian one. There’s no way a Christian family would tell his sons that if you die in battle you wil get sex sex slaves and a life of debauchery in heaven. For Christians base sexual lusts are something actively looked down upon as savage and dehumanising. In Islam they are not intrinsically wrong, just something to be controlled as kind of a test, but once you’ve passed the test Allah is fine with you slaking your thirst on whatever fantasy women/children you have in mind, in whatever depraved manner you see fit. Allah treats mankind like savage, whimpering slaves, threatening us with the most horrendous punishments for disobediance and bribing us into obediance according to the worst impulses in our nature. You can’t tell me this kind of negativity does not filter down to create a more barbaric society.

      You’re blinded by your hatred of liberals into thinking ‘my enemies enemy is my friend’. But liberals are the ones inviting them here in the first place. Muslims in the West have no problem voting for left-wing parties that have legalised gay sex, abortion and easy divorce. They have no religious qualms about seeing conservative Western societies weakened because destroying the West is a conservative Muslim aim.

      Just what is it about the West that you want to preserve anyway?

      prolier than thou

      July 16, 2016 at 7:23 pm

      • “Just what is it about the West that you want to preserve anyway?”

        Nothing. My priority is the destruction of Liberalism. Liberalism is the greatest evil to ever exist on this earth. Worse than Nazism and Communism combined. The destruction of Liberalism is not the means to an end of creating a better world, it is an end into and of itself.

        “It’s not like ALL reactionaries and ALL progresssives are locked in a global war in which conservatives of the West are the natural allies of what passes for Muslim conservatives.”

        It’s not about that. It is about that at the moment we we have a common enemy in Globalism. Islam stands like a rock against the forces of Globalism just like the odious Soviets once stood against the Nazis. Yes Islamists are evil, but they are playing the hammer to our anvil in relentless war of annihilation against Liberal Globalism.

        Go to DailyKos or NeoGaf. Read the utter despair. They know that they suffered a big blow last night.

        Otis the Sweaty

        July 17, 2016 at 12:33 am

      • You’re putting a lot of effort into this comment, and of course it’s a good comment, worth more of a response than I have time for right now (family visiting, taking the kids to the beach!). Personally, I’m intentionally coming across as a bit more “black-and-white” than I actually am.

        However, here are two things:

        1) As I said elsewhere, irrespective of anything else, I really, truly do get a deep sense of ecstatic joy and hope from observing a long-standing secularism get overthrown.

        2) As Bruce Charlton wrote recently, ANY religion is better than no religion. If you want to know why I agree with that, it’ll have to wait.

        3) Your point is taken about feminism and women’s rights meaning different things in Bangladesh than they do here. And yet… I’m not so sure.

        Samson J.

        July 17, 2016 at 8:53 am

      • Islam is far worse than no religion. Most religions are worse than no religion. The non-sectarian unitarian Protestantism of the 19th century United States elites is an anomaly in the history of religion.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 17, 2016 at 9:09 am

      • @prolier – thank you for this comment. May I steal from it? It was too good for the likes of Otis, but rest assured that some of us are worth it, and appreciate your efforts.

        gothamette

        July 17, 2016 at 9:40 am

      • “3) Your point is taken about feminism and women’s rights meaning different things in Bangladesh than they do here. And yet… I’m not so sure.”

        I think you should do a little reading about women’s rights, and about Bangladesh, recently the victim of another Islamist outrage.

        The current feminist movement has nothing in common with women’s rights. Feminism is a mutant, crazed offshoot of Big Capitalist globalism. 19th century women’s rights advocates would be horrified by all of it.

        At the very least, men who think women’s rights = feminism should go back to conditions in the 19th century and live the life of a working class woman whose husband was killed in an industrial accident.

        gothamette

        July 17, 2016 at 9:53 am

      • Suffragists & abortion:

        http://time.com/4093214/suffragettes-abortion/

        http://www.lifenews.com/2016/01/13/oops-planned-parenthood-accidentally-honors-birthday-of-suffragist-who-said-abortion-exploits-women/

        I won’t link to the Wikipedia entry about this because it’s biased leftwing trash. The record is clear: the 19th century women’s rights advocates were opposed to abortion, seeing it as exploitation and no different from infanticide.

        gothamette

        July 17, 2016 at 10:00 am

  10. Anthony

    July 16, 2016 at 9:26 pm

  11. ” Islam stands like a rock against the forces of Globalism”

    Your opposition to what you call liberal globalism is admirable, but is it necessarily true that Islam is the enemy of globalists, or are they in fact its useful idiots and enablers? Islamic terrorism is used as the justification for increasing global security measures. Their failed societies create streams of refugees to Europe who are then used to create multicultural societies aimed at undermining the ethnic homogenity and national character of Western societies. Muslim solidarity and high birth rates make them useful electoral assets for left-wing parties. Islamists destabalise whatever functioning Nation States the Muslim world has, likke Libya, bringing chaos in their wake.

    Case in point: look at the recent terror attacks by ISIS in Bangladesh, in which foreigners were murdered in Dhaka. Until now Bangladesh was a functioning country which had carved out a niche for itself making cheap clothing for Western markets. But by targeting Westerners and Japanese ISIS know that they could cause Western and Japanese businesses to pull out and relocate to somewhere equally cheap but more stable, like China or India. If this happens what will become of Bangladesh’s huge urbanised population that was entirely reliant on this one industry? They will basically starve, the country will become a failed state and there will be pressure on the West to ‘do something’ and whatever that ‘something’ is will probably be bad news for the likes of you and I. I fail to see any good side to Islamic radicalism in Bangladesh.

    prolier than thou

    July 17, 2016 at 5:45 am

    • Europe is still a tame continent, comparing to America’s 40 million blacks.

      JS

      July 17, 2016 at 9:33 am

      • Italians in Belgium? The map can’t possibly be correct.

        HBDfan

        July 17, 2016 at 11:54 am

      • Doesn’t specifically say Italians, but Euros from other countries are the majority of foreigners in Waffleland.

        http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/belgium-country-permanent-immigration

        JS

        July 17, 2016 at 1:52 pm

      • ‘Europe is still a tame continent…’

        This is only actual immigrants so it doesn’t count the non-Western communities whose members were born here. I’m always a bit sceptical of statistics telling me everything’s OK with regards to European demographics. It’s a bit like being told ‘it’s OK, the lifeboats only 10% full of water.’ That’s great, but at the risk of sounding like a Cassandra if the water’s not stopping at some point it will become a problem. Point taken, American blacks do sound like a real pain in the backside and as things stand right now I wouldn’t swap. But still.

        Gothamette–thank you very much and please do use it. I frequently use blogs like this as source material for good arguments, phrases and statistics. That’s what it’s all about.

        prolier than thou

        July 17, 2016 at 5:23 pm

      • Christopher Caldwell has pointed out that some European countries will wake up one day to find that the majority of fighting age young men are Muslim. A lot of people who play around with demographics never pay attention to that. I don’t think he was talking about the European the major European countries such as Germany or friends. He was speaking about places like Austria and Sweden. But wouldn’t that be a terrible shock?

        Then there’s the question of demographics in terms of religiousness of all faith adherents. A demographer wrote a book called Will the Religious Inherit the Earth? He concluded that yes they will. I’ve tried to discuss this with some of my non observant friends, and the response I get is mainly fury, rage and incomprehension.

        gothamette

        July 17, 2016 at 7:44 pm

      • Germany or France. Text dictation woes.

        gothamette

        July 17, 2016 at 7:46 pm

      • @HBDfan — I have no personal knowledge of the subject but Russians in Finland also looks dubious to me.

        snorlax

        July 17, 2016 at 8:34 pm

    • “Your opposition to what you call liberal globalism is admirable, but is it necessarily true that Islam is the enemy of globalists, or are they in fact its useful idiots and enablers”

      That’s exactly what they are and I think you are on to something Very Big here. After the Islamists have turned everything into a shambles, there is only one way out: Globalism, which is just another word for imperialism. It can be USGOV imperialism, or Russian imperialism, or get ready for this – Chinese imperialism, but imperialism it is.

      The history of Islam after Muhammad is a history of military slave states. Daniel Pipes wrote a good book about this when he was a Harvard undergrad.

      BTW, the farcical/fantasy notion of Islam as the rock against globalism was the subject of a now-forgotten book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad_vs._McWorld

      The author supposedly took a disinterested view of Jihad. He was really something of an admirer.

      gothamette

      July 17, 2016 at 9:48 am

  12. Samson J-

    “ANY religion is better than no religion. If you want to know why I agree with that, it’ll have to wait”

    I think I may be able to imagine your reasons why, but of course I’d like to hear it.

    The unfortunate thing about Islam and secular liberalism is of course that both provide each other with perfect examples of why they shouldn’t change and are better off staying as they are.

    prolier than thou

    July 17, 2016 at 5:31 pm

    • The unfortunate thing about Islam and secular liberalism is of course that both provide each other with perfect examples of why they shouldn’t change and are better off staying as they are.

      I agree. (You really are coming across as far too reasonable for this blog!) In fact, I’ve said something similar myself. When trying to explain to bewildered moderners just what is “wrong” with our society, and why Islamist states aren’t really any worse than us, I’ve used the illustration of a continuum, and I’ve said, look, yes, Islam goes too far on issues like women’s rights, etc.; yes, I don’t really want my daughters in burqas (although having worked with Moslem families I grew to find the headscarf genuinely endearing), but the problem is that if radical Islamism is on the far extreme of a continuum, it’s not like we’re in the nice happy middle of the continuum – we’re equally far too far on the other side.

      In any event, regarding the religion question, Charlton probably explained it better than I will. Essentially I would say that because there really is a transcendent spiritual realm; because there really is a war in heaven between good and dark spiritual forces over what transpires on earth, well, then *any* worldview that acknowledges that there is a spiritual dimension is more “correct” (and closer to a prescription for proper living) than one that doesn’t. You may find examples (exceptions that prove the rule) of religions prescribing terribly evil practices but at least they’ve taken the initial step of acknowledging that there’s a spiritual realm that ought to be appeased. Secular humanism doesn’t even do that.

      Samson J.

      July 17, 2016 at 6:34 pm


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