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Mike Pence speaks with Sean Hannity

Although it was a friendly interview, Pence does an excellent job of agreeing with his new boss and defending his policies, and demonstrates excellent political ability to avoid answering questions he doesn’t want to answer. He’s not a genius, but he’s smart enough to be a competent politician.

He also gives the public a comforting, calm, mature and even boring presence to counteract the excitement of Trump. So far, he seems like exactly what the Trump campaign needed.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

July 16, 2016 at 2:06 pm

Posted in Politics

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  1. No matter how dumb or smart you think Trump is, you can be sure anybody on his VP list was going to be sufficiently alpha.


    July 16, 2016 at 3:00 pm

    • ….anybody on his VP list was going to be sufficiently alpha.

      Just about every man is sufficiently alpha compared to the dorks who obsess on alpha males.

      Trump needs and got this:

      What matters with Pence is how he looks in terms of contrast with Trump. The best choice for VP is someone who looks like a boring, washed-out version of the top of the ticket. You need that contrast to remind people that the top of the ticket is truly special.

      Pence is an experienced politician. But you stand him next to Trump and he sort of disappears. The contrast persuades you – subconsciously – that Trump is better than an experienced politician. That’s totally irrational, and totally effective.


      July 16, 2016 at 6:57 pm

      • I know that I am opening myself to abuse here but what the hell…..

        The Dilbert guy’s observations are those of a heterosexual male. I will give you the observation of an ever-married heterosexual middle-aged female. Pence is an attractive guy. He has a silver fox quality that will appeal to the moderate Republican woman, yeah, I know you all hate us, but we exist too, and we vote. Visually, damn good pick.

        I will not pay much attention to these bogus interviews, nor to the MSM lies and propaganda, but I did think this was amusing:

        Note that the assholic writer equates “anti-Catholic” with anti-Pope Francis, blissfully unaware that most Americans side with America, and not whoever happens to run a corruption riddled backward institution. He actually claimed that Pence’s admirable efforts to protect his state from terrorism would backfire, and were “anti-Catholic.” The article made me admire Pence all the more!


        July 17, 2016 at 10:36 am

      • pence’s frumpy wife makes him less attractive to women


        July 17, 2016 at 4:05 pm

  2. “He also gives the public a comforting, calm, mature and even boring presence”

    I read an article quoting someone “close to the campaign” who said Pence’s “calm demeanor” is one of the qualities which drew Trump to Pence.

    The public’s has a perception of Trump as exciting and boisterous. However, I saw an interview with Larry King, who’s been friends with Trump for decades. King said Trump is the same person on or off camera but that he’s much more calm and thoughtful when the cameras aren’t rolling. I’ve read other articles mentioning that officials, leaders, etc are often surprised at how calm Trump is when they finally get to meet and discuss issues with him.

    Trump isn’t the loose cannon people think. He knows what he’s doing.


    July 16, 2016 at 3:33 pm

    • I think that calmer, more thoughtful Trump comes across if you watch interviews with him in the 80’s. Almost softly spoken. I think he’s amped up his on camera approach since The Apprentice.


      July 17, 2016 at 2:34 am

    • @destructure, Several times I’ve linked to this. Did you read it? Trump is chaotic like a fox. He knows exactly what he’s doing. You don’t build skyscrapers in NYC without being at heart a savvy politician.


      July 17, 2016 at 10:43 am

      • Read every word of that article. It’s all true.


        July 17, 2016 at 10:44 am

  3. Pence’s immigration record is a bit mixed. NumbersUSA gave him a B+ when he was in Congress. But he had a weakness for H1Bs and a ‘touchback’ approach to illegal immigrants.

    On balance though, and short of Jeff Sessions, Pence was probably one of the better former members of Congress on immigration that Trump could have chosen a VP from.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    July 16, 2016 at 3:57 pm

    • I linked to an article that showed he fought against refugee resettlement, even took on the Catholic hierarchy. So I’ll give him a pass on the H1Bs because a lot of decent people just didn’t realize what a scam and a corruption inducing, hollowing out disaster it was/is. Going forward, no. There is no excuse for being in favor of this.


      July 17, 2016 at 10:48 am

    • I linked to an article that showed he fought against refugee resettlement, even took on the Catholic hierarchy.

      That he resisted taking Syrians is good and adds more evidence that he is a solid choice.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      July 17, 2016 at 3:30 pm

  4. No one stood out as all that great so he may have been the best choice.


    July 16, 2016 at 5:53 pm

  5. OT:

    Lion, I’m beginning to question your judgment of NY Elite social mores (not that I understand it myself). Take for instance the shame-imbued discussion of landscape painting being the near-exclusive province of proles (

    I just came across a cute, yet seductively tipsy lady on NY Social Diary ( Turns out it’s Pamela Talese, a decidedly non-abstract painter (

    I think her social circle probably qualifies as top-out-of-sight: she’s the daughter of Gary Talese and a longtime publishing executive who has her own imprint at Random House ( The family apparently hosts for the NY Social Diary crowd.

    I understand exceptions exist, but it seems the castigation of this or that type of art as prole may be more of an upper-middle class/striver affectation rooted in class insecurity rather than reality.


    July 16, 2016 at 7:01 pm

    • First of all, I did write in that blog post that the least-prole representational art was plein-air-style lanscapes, and that’s exactly what Talese is doing. Secondly, as a top-out-of-sight person, she’s more like Jamie Johnson’s dad than a hipster from Williamsburg, and her taste in art reflects that. I think this is a case where top-out-of-sight are more comfortable in ignoring SWPL conventions than regular upper-middle-class strivers.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      July 16, 2016 at 9:05 pm

      • You did indeed mentioned the plein-air aspect.

        Apologies if that came off as accusatory or overly critical. My first sentence was intended to be read in a tone that’s some combination of jocular and tongue in cheek.


        July 16, 2016 at 10:41 pm

      • She doesn’t just paint landscapes, but people, still life, etc.:

        The simple explanation may be that she wants the satisfaction of people buying her art, and most people are more likely to buy representational art, because they like it, and can more easily judge its quality.

        Whereas the appeal of abstract art depends more on the fame of the artist or the extent to which the buyer is roped in to the Art Basel circle or whatever.

        There’s an NJ artist who used to have a studio near a restaurant near my mother’s. She’s probably as good or better than this Talese gal at painting. I like her painting of a KitchenAid blender:

        David Pinsen

        July 17, 2016 at 4:25 am

    • Her father is Gay Talese (not Gary) who is a famous journalist and has been in the news a lot in the last month over accusations that his most recent nonfiction book isn’t true. I don’t think that’s top out of sight


      July 16, 2016 at 10:07 pm

      • Yes, a typo.


        July 17, 2016 at 3:31 am

  6. Lion, can you blog about how prole Pence is? He ate at Chili’s of all places in his recent visit to NY:

    His family looks very prole too.


    July 16, 2016 at 7:26 pm

    • Pence is solidly middle-class. Maybe I write so much about proles and SWPLs, we forgot about the (shrinking) middle-class.

      Although I do feel bad about him eating at Chilis when only tourists from flyover country ever eat at the Manhattan Chilis.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      July 16, 2016 at 9:11 pm

      • You’re right that he’s middle class, not prole, but his family looks pretty prole, although he himself looks normal and quite decent and fit for his age. His wife looks like a lunch lady or something.


        July 16, 2016 at 9:27 pm

      • Pence WAS a tourist from flyover country at the time that photo was taken.

        According to his Wikipedia bio, Pence is from a working class background and from Columbus, Indiana. Its pretty impossible to get more flyover than Columbus, Indiana (I’ve been there). So he is exactly what he seems, a prole from flyover country.

        Other pols with Pence’s background tend to sell out and become lobbyists, investment bankers, or some sinecure in academia. John Kasich is a good example, and on his campaign swing to New York he very visibly did not eat at Chili’s.

        Personally, my big complaint about places like Indiana is really too much bad good and too many chains restaurants. I wish they had kept more of the diners. But its a good thing that Pence is pretty comfortable with what he is, and electorally there are far more voters with his background than with mine (or for that matter Trump’s).


        July 16, 2016 at 11:04 pm

      • All Americans are proles. A guy from Indiana, Middle America, is low prole premium.

        The fact that America ranks bottom of all the industrialized nations in non-prole measures, makes it the proliest of Western Civilization. Perhaps the UK is on the same level, or worse.


        July 17, 2016 at 11:17 am

    • You have to be a retard to eat at Chili’s in NYC.

      This is like Michael Scott getting pizza in NYC:


      July 16, 2016 at 10:00 pm

    • Good, so Pence is a salt of the earth prole rather than some business lunch aficionado or (worse) secret foodier-than-thou.

      I do hope Pence was more restrained than Kasich while eating though.


      July 17, 2016 at 9:50 am

    • In Pence’s defense, he was probably in NJ on his way to Teterboro.


      July 18, 2016 at 1:29 am

  7. Trump made a good pick. Smart.

    Governor of a red industrial Midwestern state…borders IL and OH. Reassures the base of the party that it is ok to come out and vote for DJT.

    Pence seems calm and non-news making.

    Trump is the noisemaker at the top of the ticket. He didn’t need a “Hail Mary Noisemaker” since Trump is the Noisemaker.

    Trump is in the process of realigning politics, both Republican and Democrat (yes: Democats are being impacted by this dynamic individual; many will cross over and vote for him, most impactfully gays and blacks, I am guessing). The reason that he has aroused such animus is that he is a huge force.

    He has rightly identified Islam as the problem of our time.

    Trump has run as THE American candidate in this election. Hillary isn’t clearly American. She is the candidate of lesbians who use Depends and wants more Muslims here. More!

    FB (Former Beta)

    July 16, 2016 at 7:59 pm

    • I sure hope he doesn’t think that Islam is the problem of our time. I’d rather be in a coalition with Muslims than blacks and it’s not even close.


      July 16, 2016 at 10:09 pm

      • I’d rather be in a coalition with Muslims than blacks and it’s not even close.

        And many Republicans feel that way about Mexicans. They’d rather be in a coalition with and employ Mexicans than blacks.

        That’s why many of them hate Trump. He’s interfering with THAT agenda.


        July 17, 2016 at 12:46 am

      • Blacks commit Street crime but Muslims are the cause of virtually all terrorism. Islam is worse.

        Jay Fink

        July 17, 2016 at 3:58 am

      • You would change your mind soon after exchanging 1 black per MENA muslim.


        July 17, 2016 at 9:52 am

      • And many Republicans feel that way about Mexicans. They’d rather be in a coalition with and employ Mexicans than blacks.

        Mexicans aren’t displacing blacks they’re displacing whites so that electoral strategy doesn’t really make any sesne.

        Blacks commit Street crime but Muslims are the cause of virtually all terrorism. Islam is worse.

        There is vastly (vastly vastly vastly) more street crime than terrorism. There’s just something about terrorism that causes people to think irrationally and assign a huge significance to it. And how many terrorist attacks have been carried out by (non Black) US born muslims anyway?

        You would change your mind soon after exchanging 1 black per MENA muslim.

        Certainly one of the reasons muslims aren’t as bad as Blacks is that they’re so much fewer in number but I would gladly exchange every black person for 1 MENA muslim essentially equivalent to the MENA muslims already here. That’s neither realistic nor the best option but I would do it.


        July 18, 2016 at 12:36 am

  8. My mother in law who was planning to vote for Trump now says she will vote for Hillary because Pence is a homophobe


    July 17, 2016 at 6:48 pm

    • LOL yes because Hillary’s 10 billion muslim refugees will be marching in the gay pride parade.


      July 17, 2016 at 8:54 pm

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