Lion of the Blogosphere

Poll: What do you think motivated the #Munich attacker?

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So given we now know the attacker is an Iranian born in Germany, maybe there’s a fourth option I never considered, but I’m not sure what that fourth possibility even is.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

July 22, 2016 at 4:36 pm

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  1. Why would a Nazi shoot up a shopping mall?


    July 22, 2016 at 4:47 pm

    • Very unlikely it was.

      Munich train stations on Friday afternoons are packed with regular Germans and other Western Europeans returning home after work. Even if they only aimed for minorities there’s too great a chance they’d accidentally shoot whites for this train station to be a target of an extreme right group.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      July 22, 2016 at 5:06 pm

    • Because it’s full of foreigners? I saw a pic of a McDonald’s worker missing – she was some kind of E. Asian.

      I wouldn’t be surprised if this is Islamic terror – that’s always my first guess – but in this case….it’s not a slam dunk. It could be a Breivik type assault.


      July 22, 2016 at 6:32 pm

      • Read a tweet that it was a German national of Iranian origin. Only one gunman. I saw a news account that mentioned three simultaneous attacks but that probably wasn’t correct. This might be wrong too.


        July 22, 2016 at 8:25 pm

  2. First option a bit loaded. The Brevik anniversary must be included as motivation?


    July 22, 2016 at 4:57 pm

    • Too much of a coincidence.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      July 22, 2016 at 5:00 pm

    • It’s not that great of a coincidence when you consider ISIS is now attacking at least once a week, or every few weeks.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      July 22, 2016 at 5:09 pm

  3. How about A & B? Can’t ISIS dabble in a little national socialism?

    Half Canadian

    July 22, 2016 at 5:00 pm

    • It’s possible that ISIS and Neo-Nazis are united in their hatred of Jews.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      July 22, 2016 at 5:02 pm

      • Weren’t the Islamists and paleo-nazis united on this as well?

        Half Canadian

        July 22, 2016 at 6:26 pm

      • Yeah, but it would be quite hard to find a Jew in German, except at the Israeli embassy, of course. It’s looking more and more like Jihad.


        July 22, 2016 at 8:47 pm

  4. too few dead for a ISIS/islamic attack, they must have been choosy


    July 22, 2016 at 5:10 pm

  5. My understanding of the information available is that it’s just a durk-out. We’ve come to expect organized attacks, but random Muslims still occasionally go off like firecrackers.

    Frank Tern

    July 22, 2016 at 5:30 pm

  6. There are reports he yelled “allahu ackbar” in the video he looks pretty much like a kebab

    Economic Sophisms

    July 22, 2016 at 5:43 pm

    • There are also reports that he was complaining about the Turks and that he was a German.
      Too much noise for me to make sense of this.
      Heck, I even found a tweet identifying the shooter as Sam Hyde. Learn something new everyday.

      Half Canadian

      July 22, 2016 at 6:27 pm

  7. A WITNESS has claimed she heard the gunman who has killed at least nine in a shooting rampage in Munich shout “Allahu Akbar” during the attack.


    July 22, 2016 at 6:22 pm

  8. I chose terrorism and I’m voting late. Man. Man. Man . . . If kids were specifically targeted.

    Horace Pinker

    July 22, 2016 at 6:49 pm

    • If kids were specifically targeted then the media and government will go out of their way making sure everyone understands Islam is a “religion of peace”. And that other muslims shouldn’t be held responsible for supporting a genocidal cult.


      July 23, 2016 at 4:19 am

  9. The gunman was said to be targeting children too, which is very Brevik.


    July 22, 2016 at 6:49 pm

  10. It is rather confusing that he seems to have shouted both ‘I am German’ and ‘Allahu Akhbar’.

    Perhaps this is just some kind of off duck-billed platypus of an attack. Like a German-born Turk who is Muslim and feels aggrieved at the way recent Muslims have changed the perception of Germans towards Muslims in what he regards as his country. I’ve heard he said ‘I grew up here’ which is often the kind of thing that people from immigrant communities say to prove they belong here too. Nazis/far right would stress blood and history over their birth certificate, I would have thought.

    prolier than thou

    July 22, 2016 at 7:04 pm

    • You almost nailed it. I just read a report that he’s a German national of Iranian origin. I don’t see how this is going to improve German perceptions of Muslims.


      July 22, 2016 at 8:27 pm

      • “I don’t see how this is going to improve German perceptions of Muslims”

        The usual left wing response after attacks like Nice–‘this wasn’t Islamic terrorism, just a nutcase/bad man’ seems more applicable here than usual. This incident seems more like an American mass shooting and neither Islamic nor terroristic. I guess he must be a Shia Muslim so he would not have the same foreign policy/tribal issues towards the West, presumably (except Israel). Iranians tend to restrict their terrorism to the Middle East. They seem quite parochial and local in their outlook, like Hindus in India, and unlike Sunnis who have global ambitions. They seem altogether less threatening to Europeans than Sunni Muslims. I have wondered in the past whether the true nature of the split in Islam was ethnic–Persians once converted did not have the same outlook or motivations as Arabs, or weren’t as comfortable with certain culturally Arabic elements of the Islamic faith, nor wanted to be lead by them, so they tried to install their own man as the ‘true successor to Mohammad’ and go their own way.

        The Left will breath a huge sigh of relief that he was a German national without Islamic leanings (if that’s the case). It means they will be able to say it has nothing to do with Merkel’s policy or the growth of Islam in Europe. That may be true of course, but I’d like to at leastsee a conversation about whether racial and cultural aliens from unstable and often intellectually stunted parts of the world are more likely to exhibit a range of anti-social tendencies that make them more likely to do stuff like this. But of course that’s unlikely to happen. There’s also the worry now that terrorist attacks are starting to feed on themselves, create an atmosphere of hysteria and push non Islamic but unstable people over the edge too.

        The other day two ‘men of Middle Eastern appearance’ tried to abduct a British serviceman whilst he was jogging outside an RAF base in England. He managed to fight them off as they tried to bundle him into a van at knifepoint (sensible move, I’d rather be stabbed to death in the road than get in that van). That’s one we can certainly chalk up to Islamic terrorism. ‘God is Great yet our countries suck’. A puzzling conundrum indeed, and one from which no-one in the world can escape, sadly.

        prolier than thou

        July 23, 2016 at 2:16 am

    • Unfortunately, we don’t get that behavior with our racial minorities in America. The reason has to do with HBD – we have low IQ minorities.


      July 22, 2016 at 8:46 pm

    • This seems plausible, but he was Iranian not a Turk. Iranians probably hate Syrians and Turks. Muslims and Nazis have a lot in common. Though it is unlikely a German white supremacist Nazi would have accepted him, I’m guessing.

      He was probably crazy as a shithouse rat. (which is not to say he is not a Muslim terrorist)

      An Iranian in Australia killed a bunch of people in a chocolate shop. But apparently he had converted to sunni islam.


      July 22, 2016 at 9:37 pm



    An hour before the Munich attack Obama is claiming Trump’s “doom and gloom doesn’t match reality”. Then he’s cracking jokes in his Munich press conference.

    Is this for real?

    If so, can anyone now doubt Trump will win in a landslide?


    July 22, 2016 at 7:29 pm

    • The press laughing at Obama doesn’t surprise me. They are just flattering courtiers. If he made a joke about gassing Jews, they’d laugh.


      July 22, 2016 at 8:29 pm

      • The press laughing at Obama doesn’t surprise me.

        Not at him but with him.


        July 22, 2016 at 9:49 pm

      • Right, my mistake. If he made a joke about gassing Jews, they’d laugh with him.


        July 22, 2016 at 10:14 pm

    • I’ve been following politics for too long to think that someone who starts out as the underdog will now win in a landslide, but I agree that the more the focus of national attention goes to issues of law and order, the greater are Trump’s chances.


      July 22, 2016 at 8:35 pm

      • Political capitulation of the undecideds will sweep Trump to an overwhelming victory. The holdouts have seen the family hit home run after home run. Their fears have been largely assuaged.

        And then came Munich.

        Obama’s popularity was already tanking. And then, hard on the heels of a triumphant Trumpian RNC convention, came Munich.

        In what reality will Hillary be able to stem the Trumpacious tide?

        It will not even be close.


        July 22, 2016 at 9:40 pm

      • I’ve been following politics for too long to think that someone who starts out as the underdog will now win in a landslide…

        Excellent point which is why Reagan didn’t win over Carter in 1980.


        July 22, 2016 at 9:50 pm

      • Re: Reagan’s win over Carter. Carter was weighed down by a crappy economy and energy crisis as well as a hostage crisis that dragged on. In order for Trump to replicate Reagan’s blockbuster performance we’d need the economy to take a nosedive as well as a foreign crisis or steady stream of attacks. As it is, if the attacks dry up then most of their effect will fade.


        July 23, 2016 at 4:43 am

  12. “What do you think motivated the #Munich attacker?”

    His party was taken over by a socially liberal plutocrat from Manhattan? OK, bad joke………..!


    July 22, 2016 at 8:32 pm

    • … then he held this poorly received speech at the party convention …


      July 23, 2016 at 2:39 am

  13. Wrong again, Lion. The perp was Iranian.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    July 22, 2016 at 9:09 pm

  14. Iranian-German is about as Aryan as you can get


    July 22, 2016 at 9:19 pm

  15. Wasn’t one of the minor ISIS attackers in the U.S. a while back an Iranian who had converted to Sunni Islam and became radicalised? I can’t remember which one.

    Greg Pandatshang

    July 22, 2016 at 9:47 pm

  16. Borrowing from ‘suicide by cop’, I suggest calling this crime under the umbrela of Islamic terrorism:
    Beta male rage by Islam
    Other cases:
    Suicide by Islam
    Workplace violence by Islam
    Rape by Islam
    Robbery by Islam
    Murder by Islam


    July 22, 2016 at 10:21 pm

    • I suggest calling this crime under the umbrela of Islamic terrorism: Larry

      You missed a potential category: sectarian Islamic terrorism. This man was presumably Shia living in Europe where Sunni Islam is becoming increasingly dominant. It’s all very well the West trying to bend over backwards to please Muslims, but you can’t please them all at the same time and pleasing some means others get left out. I’ve heard the culprit was shouting about ‘fucking Turks’ who are a well known enemy of the Iranians, so this could have been a factor.

      If this is the case then my previous guess further up the thread of a German Muslim unhappy with the way the recent influx of Muslims has changed the balance in Germany was not a bad guess.

      prolier than thou

      July 23, 2016 at 3:03 am

  17. ROFL, I almost voted for neo-naziism. Ja?


    July 22, 2016 at 11:18 pm

  18. I’m glad my Occam’s razor is still shave-ready.


    July 22, 2016 at 11:47 pm

  19. Definitely Islamic terrorism. We will learn more about the specifics of his motivations and ties with other terrorists in the coming days.

    I don’t think people should get too worked up about his having been Iranian. Iranians are Shi’ite, and ISIS hates Shi’ites, but Shi’ites are still as Muslim as Sunnis.

    What I expect happened is that he was raised in a Shi’ite household, but in Europe, being a Muslim in Europe means that the ethnic difference between Sunni and Shi’ite is fuzzier than it is in the Middle East. He eventually became radicalized and thought killing children would be satisfying.


    July 23, 2016 at 3:53 am

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