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Tim Kaine attends a black church

An AP article says:

He and his wife, Anne Holton, are longtime members of Richmond’s St. Elizabeth Catholic Church, a predominantly black congregation in a poor part of town.

There’s no way that a Harvard-educated white guy can attend a poor black church in good faith (no pun intended). A guy like that could not believe in the fundamentalist view of Christianity that blacks believe in (even true at a black Catholic church). A guy like that is normally found at a sedate mainline Protestant church which provides quiet philosophical contemplation on the mysteries of the universe, punctuated with beautiful baroque organ music, plus the added bonus of being able to network with other rich and powerful people of the same religion.

Kaine can only be attending the black church as a cynical way to win the black vote, or because of liberal white guilt.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

July 22, 2016 at 12:39 pm

Posted in Politics, Religion

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  1. The Republicans need to emphasize this. Think back to 2008 – nothing was going to stop a well-spoken black guy from getting elected but the video of Jeremiah Wright saying “God damn America” certainly didn’t help things. You don’t have to hang out long in most black churches to get some material that would make well-educated white people uncomfortable.

    Even better if they can find footage of Kaine himself participating in the services. Either he comes off as too white and therefore phony or he fits in just fine – once again making well-educated white people uncomfortable.

    Jokah Macpherson

    July 22, 2016 at 12:46 pm

  2. I attend a large mainline Protestant church and while the organ music thing is true, the sermons and liturgy are trending more and more toward full-on SJW rather than quiet contemplation of the mysteries of the universe.

    Jokah Macpherson

    July 22, 2016 at 12:49 pm

    • I attend a large mainline Protestant church

      Why? Not being an ass; I’m genuinely curious.

      Samson J.

      July 22, 2016 at 1:39 pm

    • I used to attend the United Church of Canada. I couldn’t take all the leftists, sjw bullshit, so I quit. They are more likely to have jazz vespers than baroque organ music.


      July 22, 2016 at 2:20 pm

  3. I suspect his wife is the culprit. She’s the daughter of Linwood Holton, a former Governor of Virginia, and her Wikipedia biography includes this relevant detail: “In 1969, her father was elected as Governor of Virginia, serving from 1970 to 1974. In response to a federal court decision desegregating Richmond Public Schools, she and her siblings attended predominantly black schools, near the Virginia Executive Mansion, contributing to her father’s efforts to make Virginia a model for race relations.”


    July 22, 2016 at 12:50 pm

  4. Trump’s Luck strikes again. Terrorist attack in Munich.


    July 22, 2016 at 12:52 pm

  5. No, he’s Catholic. Traditionally, Catholics attend church based on geography; you live in a “parish” and that’s where you go to church.


    July 22, 2016 at 12:54 pm

  6. The web site for this Catholic church claims that they “embrace unity and diversity…” and highlights “umoja” the Swahili word for “unity” (and which is also one of the seven principles of Kwanzaa). Plenty of Whites in the gallery of photos and White statues and a White Jesus. This church began in 1925 and was probably all White at that time. I suspect that the Catholics slowly brought some local blacks into the fold and, perhaps, some African immigrants over the years, and it’s now probably 50% black.

    Kaine’s connection to Richmond, VA goes back over twenty years when he first became a lecturer at the University of Richmond School of Law and was elected the the Richmond City Council. So, I think it’s possible that Kaine has been a long-time legitimate member of this Catholic church and it’s become more black (and probably more evangelical) over the years. His attendance nowadays is probably mostly for show.

    E. Rekshun

    July 22, 2016 at 1:16 pm

    • “White statues and a White Jesus.”

      Wrong! See my post below. There may be some white ones as well, but they have a black Jesus hanging in the Church. It’s wacky! Never seen anything like it especially in a Catholic church.

      Sagi Is My Guru

      July 22, 2016 at 9:11 pm

  7. I’m sorry you have a hard time understanding it, but Kaine loves his wife, and she is the reason for where the family lives and attends church. Anne is the daughter of a Virginia governor who was elected when she was eleven. Governor Holton supported desegregation, and sent his kids to the predominantly black public schools nearest the Governor’s mansion. Anne Holton has been an activist lawyer and judge on behalf of education and family issues for her entire career, and after she and Tim met at Harvard, she convinced him (he’s from Minnesota) to move to Virginia. They were married at St. Elizabeth’s in 1984, and she has been in Virginia politics ten years longer than Tim, who was an attorney in private practice until 1994.

    Invisible Mikey

    July 22, 2016 at 1:30 pm

  8. “Kaine can only be attending the black church as a cynical way to win the black vote, or because of liberal white guilt.”

    Sounds just like why Obama attended church in Chi-town.


    July 22, 2016 at 1:33 pm

    • That’s what I thought. For politically ambitious people, church attendance (to the right church) is part of the deal, like kissing babies.

      Mike Street Station

      July 23, 2016 at 8:00 am

  9. “A guy like that could not believe in the fundamentalist view of Christianity that blacks believe in”

    The liturgy is Catholic. You can walk into any Catholic church anywhere on the globe and the format is the same, with the except of Tridentine masses, as they all have a common format.
    And the theology is Catholic and not set by the local Church and certainly not by the parishioners. They could have a local emphasis, and probably do, on urban issues. Looking at the Church web site it seems like there has been a focus on urban out reach since the 50’s when it was a white church.

    The interesting thing about HRC picking Kaine, if she does, is that I would see it as a aggressive pick by her. She assume that she has the left and the base sewn up and is now trying to poach onto the center and center-right Southern whites.

    Essentially picking Kaine means that she thinks she can run the table and roll up a margin of victory so large she can take back the House.

    Lion of the Turambar

    July 22, 2016 at 1:35 pm

    • Yeah I thought she would go for a diversity candidate to motivate non white voters. They must have some sort of internal polling that shows that non white voters are motivated just like they were for Obama so she was safe to poach some on the fence white voters.

      Mike Street Station

      July 23, 2016 at 8:03 am

      • Seems to me it could be just as likely she’s terrified of picking a minority or women for fear of becoming even more toxic in the battleground states of PA, OH, FL, and VA. Kaine is a punt. Does no damage and maybe could even help in Virginia (though there is little evidence in state politicians ever add any value to the ticket).


        July 23, 2016 at 12:28 pm

  10. I’ve been to church services with southern blacks and it’s a sight to behold. Not much difference between the dancing they did Saturday night at the club and the entranced gyrational vibrancy you see from them on Sunday morning. The only difference is there’s no men around oat the church, it’s all old ladies and single mothers with one male preacher and one male deacon.


    July 22, 2016 at 1:43 pm

    • Good place to meet black women?

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      July 22, 2016 at 2:03 pm

      • But, according to surveys of dating web sites, not many people want to meet black women. And on the ones I’ve seen on many YouTube videos seem to act quite unreasonable.

        E. Rekshun

        July 22, 2016 at 7:52 pm

      • Why would you want to do that?

        Anyway, if you want to meet black women there’s always your company’s HR department. Ask them about Diversity And Inclusion!


        July 23, 2016 at 7:27 am

    • Black music and dancing doesn’t seem like real music and dancing to me. Genetics must play a part in music preference.


      July 22, 2016 at 2:23 pm

  11. Modern Christianity (“Churchianity”) is totally liberal, feminist, multicult, universalist nonsense. There has long been an easy connection between Xty and communism.

    It’s not a naturally muscular religion except in more nationalist european race conscious countries of the past.


    July 22, 2016 at 3:18 pm

    • Do you think ancient Greek paganism might be revived via some sort of Pokemon-Go-type gimmick? The Rick Riordan books have already started the ball rolling. On the one hand there’s something in it for everyone (Athena for the feminists, Apollo for the creative homos, Hephaestus for the nerds, Ares for the roid-heads, etc.); on the other hand, you can really go all-out for your own thing without deferring to anyone else’s thing. Plus there aren’t the Nazi-associations of Nordic paganism. And it’s totally Western. The Gods beat the crap out of Allah!


      July 22, 2016 at 5:12 pm

      • There are probably some good spots in Prospect Park for temples to the gods.


        July 23, 2016 at 1:43 am

  12. Actually Catholic and Protestant churches are different. There aren’t really “black” Catholic churches in the same sense that there are black Protestant ones. Protestant churches and congregations are more independent and can be and are organized on more arbitrary lines or considerations of the congregation. Whereas Catholic churches are pretty much all the same in their worship, teachings, and organization, and differ geographically i.e. a Catholic church with a black or Irish membership, or that does mass in Spanish, does so because it happens to be located in a black or Irish or Spanish speaking neighborhood, not because they’re distinct churches.


    July 22, 2016 at 4:16 pm

    • One time, when I was about 12 y/o, my Mom brought me and my younger brother, to the Spanish Catholic mass at our parish church because the Spanish mass was held early in the AM and we were going out of town on vacation that day. We didn’t understand any of it, but I was getting the evil eye from two older puerto rican teenagers sitting a few rows behind me. At the end of the mass, they jumped me right outside of the church doors. Though they were older, my brother and I put up a good fight and they ran off.

      E. Rekshun

      July 22, 2016 at 7:58 pm

    • “There aren’t really “black” Catholic churches in the same sense that there are black Protestant ones.”

      You are right in general, but this church is the exception that proves the rule. They have a black jesus crucifix (see my post below) for example. Wacky.

      Sagi Is My Guru

      July 22, 2016 at 9:06 pm

  13. I’m very glad you brought this up, lion. Especially bizarre is the fact that this church has a life-size black Jesus crucifix!!!!

    There is something up with this guy.

    Sagi Is My Guru

    July 22, 2016 at 9:04 pm

  14. A lot of devout Catholics are soft in the head liberals. I wouldn’t necessarily chalk it up to cynicism.


    July 22, 2016 at 9:57 pm

  15. Note also: 40-50 years ago it was the Democratic party, the party of the majority of Catholics, that was most opposed to abortion. Republicans were largely in favor of it. The list of anti-abortion Catholic democrats would go on and on but here are just a few of the names: Kennedy brothers, Dick Durbin, Thomas Eagleton, Rostenkowski, Tom Harkin, Edmund Muskie, Hugh Carey….. Anti-abortion Catholics in the Democratic party today – such as Tim Kaine – declare their position as strictly a private matter. Though Kaine has declared his opposition to abortion as strictly a private matter, I bet that this will get him in trouble with the harpy wing of the Democratic party.


    July 22, 2016 at 10:07 pm

  16. Wiki say his 17 years long legal practice was on race discrimination against fair housing, siding by alleged discriminated peolple. So the Black church was a better way to find clients and gain legitimity. And as for the nature of the faith, an irish (or polish, portuguese) catholic is closer to black people than to a rich WASP …

    Bruno from Paris

    July 23, 2016 at 10:18 am

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