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Beta-male rage in #Munich, response to comments

Commenter says:




There haven’t been any Iranian terrorists in the West. Not saying it can’t happen, or that we should have open borders with Iran, but so far Islamic terrorists in the West come from Sunni Islamic countries and not Iran.

Only one witness said that, and not that he “shouted” it, but was saying it more quietly. Listen to the CNN interview if you can find it on YouTube. I think it may have been a scared Muslim patron of the McDonalds saying it, preparing to meet Allah after being gunned down, rather than the shooter saying it, and the witness (a Muslim woman herself) was confused. We’ve seen all the time that witnesses give conflicting and false statements of what happened in these situations. For example, witnesses said that there were three shooters, and that turned out to be entirely false.

Trust me, as the world’s foremost authority on beta-male rage, I know the difference between beta-male rage and Islamic terrorism.

However, because most voters are stupid, they will PERCEIVE this to be Islamic terrorism for exactly the reason stated by the commenter, and this will help Trump.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

July 23, 2016 at 12:03 PM

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  1. There haven’t been any Iranian terrorists in the West.

    The Iranians welcomed the Ayatollah with open arms in 1979 and they were a terrorist threat back when Reagan was president.

    Because some Muslim groups like Iranians and Turks aren’t prone to petty crime and suicide bombings like Arabs doesn’t mean they aren’t thinking of imposing an Islamic empire on the West. The relatively docile Turks now in Germany fought European Crusaders and Russian Tsars for centuries.

    Only one witness said that, and not that he “shouted” it, but was saying it more quietly.

    If his last name were ‘Hoff’ were be hearing about how he was a right wing nationalist, even though his material wasn’t of a white nationalist perspective.

    He is a Muslim terrorist.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    July 23, 2016 at 12:12 PM

  2. “There haven’t been any Iranian terrorists in the West.”

    There was that Iranian cleric in Australia who converted to Sunnism and shot those people in a cafe.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if some potential terrorists were too stupid to know or care about the Sunni/Shia divide. The Orlando shooter was known to praise both Al Qaida and Hezoballah. So sect may not really matter.


    July 23, 2016 at 12:16 PM

    • I wouldn’t be surprised if some potential terrorists were too stupid to know or care about the Sunni/Shia divide.

      A good point. The importance placed on the Sunni-Shia divide varies regionally within the Muslim world. And a partially Westernized, but disaffected, Muslim like this latest attacker either might not have understood the nuanced history behind that division or was vaguely aware but did not care about it.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      July 23, 2016 at 12:28 PM

    • “I wouldn’t be surprised if some potential terrorists were too stupid to know or care about the Sunni/Shia divide. The Orlando shooter was known to praise both Al Qaida and Hezoballah. So sect may not really matter.”


      This is true but as Cryptogenic has expressed quite eloquently elsewhere, religion is not just a matter of religion. It may well be the case that some Western Iranian Shia are too stupid to know about the difference between different branches of Islam, but it may also be the case that there is something about Iranian culture that simply makes them less likely to be prone to engaging in terrorism in the West anyway (which doesn’t mean they aren’t capable of other bad behaviours). It’s not a matter of religious principle just things like, say, intelligence or the attitudes of their culture.

      As I’ve said elsewhere Shia Islam is very local and does not seem to have the need for global domination like Sunni Islam. In many ways it acts more like a polytheistic place-centred religion like Hinduism. Perhaps this has something to do with its Persian roots. Sonboly does not need to know any of this. He only has to be the heir to the unconscious biases and attitudes of his particular culture, which may simply have less of an us-versus-them competitive element towards others, or at least Christians.

      prolier than thou

      July 23, 2016 at 1:04 PM

      • Of course Shia don’t have designs on global dominance. They’re only 10% of Muslims worldwide, so if they declared total war on the Sunni, much less the rest of the world, they’d be crushed. Their small numbers force them to be more pragmatic.


        July 23, 2016 at 3:14 PM

      • My impression is Iranians aren’t as anti-Western as Sunni Muslims are. Younger Iranians in particular wish their country was more Western/secular. This contrasts to much of the Sunni world that wants to be as Islamic as possible.Even Turkey wanted to (and has succeeded to) become less secular

        Jay Fink

        July 23, 2016 at 9:39 PM

      • Below I gave examples of Shia/Iranian terrorism.


        July 24, 2016 at 6:42 AM

  3. The media is happy the Munich terrorist doesn’t belong to ISIS, the only enemy we’re supposed to have. Another fascinating thing is the escape from reality by the use of words: “perverted,” “hijacked,”un-Islamic,” and now “radicalized,” a way of saying that Muslims are victims of circumstances and external evil forces. When the Nice attack subverts all that, the terrorist is supposed to have been “self-radicalized.” Whatever that means.


    July 23, 2016 at 12:29 PM

    • Self-radicalization is like when you find Lion’s old blog and start reading about how it sucks to be a programmer, then you follow a link to Heartiste, somehow get to Steve Sailer … And after a while, you are happily getting unfriended on Facebook on a daily basis.


      July 23, 2016 at 1:48 PM

  4. However, because most voters are stupid, they will PERCEIVE this to be Islamic terrorism for exactly the reason stated by the commenter, and this will help Trump.

    The political implications are that this is a win for Trump.

    But it’s still yet to be proven if Ali was not inspired by Islam. If he was interested in mass killers then he likely was following ISIS snuff as well.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    July 23, 2016 at 12:31 PM

  5. What matters is that he was from an immigrant family. What did Germany gain from letting them in? They lived in some sort of low income/benefits area and the father supposedly was a taxi driver. Mother probably didn’t work. How many siblings? What’s the overall benefit once you account for the nine lives he took?


    July 23, 2016 at 1:21 PM

  6. Is Argentina part of the West? I guess not.


    July 23, 2016 at 1:29 PM

    • The person who allegedly committed that bombing was Arab, not Persian. Hezbollah is funded by Iran, but it is not Iranian. It is a Shiite Arabic Militia.


      July 23, 2016 at 2:56 PM

  7. Who certifies expertise on “beta male rage”? Maybe, to use a golf metaphor, you’re only a 5 handicap in diagnosing BMR, i.e better than most but still often in the trees. I doubt the “bullying” excuse – don’t Germans have a reputation for being laid back? Anyway, as you say, the important thing is that this gets perceived as another example of Islamic terror so as to underscore the importance of a Trump vote.

    mel belli

    July 23, 2016 at 1:31 PM

    • Can you name someone who’s a better authority on beta-male rage than me?

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      July 23, 2016 at 1:37 PM

      • I’d expect beta male rage to be directed at women (like George Sodini or Elliott what’s his name), not kids at McDonalds.


        July 23, 2016 at 1:50 PM

      • Someone who actually practices pick up?


        July 23, 2016 at 5:11 PM

      • Ha ha, I love this side of Lion. Show us some more badass ‘tude, dude!

        Samson J.

        July 23, 2016 at 7:42 PM

      • Did Whiskey learn about it from you?


        July 23, 2016 at 7:53 PM

      • The term “beta-male rage” was coined on my blog, but I had the help of a commenter.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 23, 2016 at 8:29 PM

      • You did have the only sane response on the Internet to the Elliott Rodger incident (i.e. didn’t try to blame it on guns, misogyny, autism, being gay, or any of the other dumb shit reasons everyone else threw out).

        Jokah Macpherson

        July 23, 2016 at 7:57 PM

      • I for one cannot. I think you are the world’s foremost authority on beta male rage. As such, I pose this question: do you think there will be gamma or delta male rage?


        July 23, 2016 at 9:37 PM

      • It’s really Omega Male Rage = OMR

        The acronym OMR sounds appropriate.


        July 24, 2016 at 12:21 PM

    • “don’t Germans have a reputation for being laid back?” mel belli

      Is that a joke? If so, it’s a beauty.

      prolier than thou

      July 23, 2016 at 1:47 PM

      • I wish I’d been joking. As far as I know, there are no German films along the ones of “Heathers” or other horrors-of-high-school type movies where the weird kid gets hammered for being different. The Iranians I know not only call themselves “Aryan,” they very easily assimilate to the norms of daily western life. I know an Iranian named Ali who immigrated to Baton Rouge, of all places, and sings the praises of the southern gals who laid him to ease his homesickness. Maybe I have it backwards – maybe Germans are actually less welcoming to immigrants than Americans.

        mel belli

        July 23, 2016 at 2:45 PM

      • “Maybe I have it backwards – maybe Germans are actually less welcoming to immigrants than Americans.”

        Maybe you really do have it backwards, and Germans are actually less welcoming to immigrants than Americans!!


        July 23, 2016 at 9:39 PM

    • Maybe he was being bullied by Turks.


      July 23, 2016 at 9:04 PM

  8. Is not Omega not more accurate here than Beta?


    July 23, 2016 at 1:32 PM

  9. From the article:

    At a police press conference this morning they said there were indications the gunman had been in psychiatric care and treated for depression.

    There is no evidence that he had any links to Islamic State or refugees, they said.

    In his backpack was a book called “Amok im Kopf: Warum Schüler töten”. This translates roughly as: “Amok in the head: Why students kill”

    There were also reports police found violent computer games at the teenager’s home.

    I’d say it looks more like a mass shooting by a mentally ill young man than a terrorist attack. It may have been inspired by terrorist attacks. Serial killings, suicides, mass shootings, etc tend to run in spurts because they give copycats the idea. I think the important thing may be that the recent terrorist attacks gave him the idea rather than he was a terrorist himself. After all, terrorism generally has some type of political or religious motive. And there’s no clear-cut evidence that there was any. Even screaming ‘Allahu Akbar’ is conflicted by his screaming “I’m German, f*** foreigners”.


    July 23, 2016 at 1:56 PM

  10. My impression is that the Religion of Peace directs their social failures in various ways to get to heaven by murdering the infidels. Thus, an ISIS controller is not really needed. However, the terrorist in gun-free Germany got his weapons somewhere, so he can’t just be a nobody who suddenly freaked out. A bit more planning and community support was needed.

    I would, apart from the above, classify this as muslim terrorism rather than beta male terrorism because that directs us to the correct cure for the problem.


    July 23, 2016 at 1:59 PM

  11. Trust me, as the world’s foremost authority on beta-male rage, I know the difference between beta-male rage and Islamic terrorism.

    Meh. The distinction is unimportant. Frustrated betas make excellent potential recruits – they have nothing to lose and lots of seething resentment. If a Muslim beta goes sudden jihad, that should be laid at the feet of Islam.


    July 23, 2016 at 3:28 PM

  12. After the Iranian revolution in 1979, a number of Iranians arrived in my Boston suburb. They seemed like they had come from the Iranian middle class, spoke reasonably good English, held jobs, and were taking Engineering and Computer Science classes at local universities and community colleges. One group of three Iranians, in their mid-20s, opened a pizza parlor nearby. The local proles frequently got into fistfights with them.

    E. Rekshun

    July 23, 2016 at 4:41 PM

  13. Lets see now….

    Muslim. Alluh akbar. Targets a suggested ISIS target.

    Nah! Why would the Germans want to play down the Muslim angle? What possible reason could they have for lying? Weren’t they right up front about the (over a thousand) attacks on women just a few months ago by Muslim refugees/immigrants? Doesn’t our government always tell us the truth about Islamic terrorism? Aren’t the Germans just as honest as our government?

    Just a right wing crazy. Right…..


    July 23, 2016 at 5:15 PM

    • While it’s certainly true that the MSM and governments would like to play down the muslim angle, it still doesn’t mean this guy was an Islamic terrorist rather than just a mentally ill mass shooter who happened to be muslim. It would be a mistake to over-reach and accuse someone who isn’t. Because the MSM and governments would only use that mistake to discredit their critics by endlessly repeating how we were too quick to blame Islam and “got it wrong”. Be smarter than that and wait for the details before making allegations that may be wrong.


      July 23, 2016 at 6:07 PM

      • You may be right. But what makes you think that we will learn the “right” details in a timely manner? It took us over 6 months to learn the “right” details about the refugee/immigrant attacks. How long was it before the “workplace violence” meme was exposed for the laughable lie it was? And “what difference does it make now, anyway?”

        I’d like to be “smarter” and wait, but can I trust the Germans to inform the public with all dispatch? Given their compelling reasons for not doing so?

        But perhaps I am being too untrusting. I mean, we can wait 6+ months for the truth, right? Nothing important is scheduled during that time, is it?

        And we’re all confident that Omar Mateen’s wife (remember her?) is under constant surveillance and is going to be charged any minute now, aren’t we?


        July 23, 2016 at 7:20 PM

      • Based on the information they’ve already released it’s unlikely this was Islamic terrorism. Therefore, you should wait until the information suggests otherwise before making the claim.


        July 23, 2016 at 11:00 PM

      • Even if he turns out not to have any religious motivations, as soon as the shooting started, the media, both German and US, tried to paint him as a neo Nazi. I was watching Shep Smith make that point all afternoon during the breaking coverage, Boots, dressed in black…a neo Nazi

        Mike Street Station

        July 24, 2016 at 9:19 AM

      • Given that it took place in Germany, on the 5th anniversary of Anders Behring Breivik, it wan’t unreasonable.

        Actually, I got the opposite impression, that terrorist event after terrorist event has finally WORN DOWN the MSM and they have sort of given up on insisting that there’s no terrorism happening. CNN at the very beginning of the coverage was calling it terrorism, and the German police said it was terrorism and only later said “oops, just some 18-year-old kid going postal.”

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 24, 2016 at 9:23 AM

  14. “Three victims were from Kosovo, three from Turkey and one from Greece.”

    So no harm done. It’s almost a parody of multi-cult.


    July 23, 2016 at 7:24 PM

  15. “There haven’t been any Iranian terrorists in the West. ”

    Wrong. There was a massive Iranian terrorist attack in Argentina.

    “The AMIA bombing was an attack on the Asociación Mutual Israelita Argentina (AMIA; Argentine Israelite Mutual Association) building. It occurred in Buenos Aires on 18 July 1994, killing 85 people and injuring hundreds.[4] It was Argentina’s deadliest bombing ever. Argentina is home to a Jewish community of 230,000,[5] the largest in Latin America and sixth in the world outside Israel (see Demographics of Argentina).[6]”

    I consider Argentina part of the West.

    Other than that, I don’t know of any.


    July 23, 2016 at 9:41 PM

    • I should have read more carefully before writing the last sentence. Islamic Jihad was a Hezbollah affiliated group – that’s Iran, basically.


      July 23, 2016 at 9:44 PM

  16. Somewhat on topic, but David Goldman writes a lot about demographics in Iran – they have a sub-replacement level birthrate. And it’s not exactly a place where people want to immigrate to. I give them one generation before they collapse.

    Turks in Turkey also have a sub-replacement level birthrate, but I’m not so sanguine about their collapse.


    July 23, 2016 at 9:46 PM

  17. It is a beta male rage but pay attention to the fact that he was directing the rage towards Suni Muslims, Turks and Arabs who according to him bullied him for 7 years in the ghetto in which they all grew together. There is a video in twitter in which he communicates with some white germans and try to explain this to them. He says “I am German” and that he directed his attack against his Turkish bullies. So immigration, multi kulti and Muslim attitude does have a lot to do with this attack.


    July 23, 2016 at 10:32 PM

  18. German high schools are probably not quite the shark pool American ones are. But of course there is bullying there as well.
    A central problem (and difference to e.g. the US) is that Germany and Germans have been schizophrenic wrt to immigrants and foreigners for decades. Because Germany used to be an ethnically very homogenic country there is no long experience with multiculturalism. Because of the homogeneity there are of course fairly deep seated aversions against foreigners but because of the Nazi past it is impossible to express them without being rebuked. A nuanced discussion is very difficult.

    When the mediterranean foreign workers came in the 1950s and 60s it was at first expected that they would leave again soon. The did not and most of them became quite assimilated (note that while the Turks were the largest group in the end, Turkey was fairly secular then and most other foreign workers were Italians and Greeks). But not all are and despite all the talk of multiculturalism it is not clear what is meant by it (except that people like cheap ethnic restaurants). Nobody likes ghettos and subcultures and it is still assumed that foreigners learn the language and assimilate in important respects. But by now there are some ghettos and very difficult schooling in some areas in large cities. (My brother is teaching elementary school in such a place – one problem seems to be that some boys are so spoiled (little oriental princes) before they enter school that they simply will not listen to a teacher, even less to a female (and 90% or so of elementary school teachers are women). So it is perfectly possible that that guy was bullied by tough teenagers of Turkish, Balkanian or Arab origin.

    In any case it seems very unlikely that this was islamist inspired. Look up the school shootings in Erfurt and Winnenden, they seem close parallels. The main new thing is that it took place at a McDonald’s in a shopping mall, not at a school.


    July 24, 2016 at 5:26 AM

  19. Some Syrian refugee in Germany has been exploring his cultural identity with an axe again. If this keeps happening on a daily basis I fear that people may start stereotyping these poor migrants as being the kind of people who attack people with axes and guns and trucks for no good reason. And that would be the real tragedy.

    prolier than thou

    July 24, 2016 at 1:14 PM

  20. omega outcasts tend to latch on to extremist causes; this seems to be lost on mr. lion.

    Iran strikes me as the islamic version of japan. Intelligent (math fields metal was awarded to an iranian woman), stilted, severely gender conscious (not that there’s anything wrong with that), weird…. but muslim.

    slithy toves

    July 24, 2016 at 8:33 PM

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