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Trump eating prole food for dinner

While it could just be a publicity stunt to connect with proles, there is a lot of other evidence out there that Trump genuinely likes to eat prole food.

When I was a kid, and even when I was a college student, I never knew that fast food was low class. This is either because people who grow up prole are blind to the class markers of their proleness, or because attitudes towards fast food have changed substantially during the last 25 years.

I do think that when Trump was growing up in the 1950s, there was much greater uniformity in the eating habits of Americans, and that fast food restaurants as they existed back then (1952 was when McDonalds and Kentucky Fried Chicken both started franchising) were acceptable middle-class places to eat, and even the upper-middle class could eat there without being disgusted by it. I believe that Trump, unlike most other people, does not change his values based on changes going on in society, because he is immune to peer-pressure persuasion.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

August 1, 2016 at 11:53 pm

Posted in Politics, Proles

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  1. Fast food is fucking fantastic and cheap. It’s only a problem for fat idiots who overdo it get the triple-decker baconator monstrosity and don’t exercise.

    95% (or more) of sit-down restaurants are a damn ripoff. Overpriced crap and annoying waiters all in order to status signal. I always feel like dupe after I’m dragged to a “nice” place and pay the bill. Much rather get something from the drive-thru and take it home.


    August 1, 2016 at 11:59 pm

    • “What happens when you serve McDonald’s to some food experts and pretend it’s a new organic meal?”


      August 2, 2016 at 9:39 am

    • Casual food, voracious eating, is the new era of dining out in America, including NYC, which signifies prole drifting or fast food induced.

      Montreal is the ONLY city in NORTH AMERICA, for a real restaurant experience (the ambiance, real culinary skills and authenticity) without the Manhattan arrogance that once defined it.


      August 2, 2016 at 3:40 pm

    • Artisanal, gourmet, organic, free range, locally grown, ethically sourced, gluten free, etc. are all ways to charge higher prices. If someone could find a way to turn feces into a beverage some fool would pay extra for it. Oh, wait! Someone has and people do! It’s called “civet coffee”. Of course, it helps to use its foreign name to make it sound more exotic and special — kopi luwak. SWPL’s just love foreign and exotic. I guess my palate just isn’t sophisticated enough to appreciate the finer things like drinking boiled cat shit.

      Don’t get me wrong. No one wants to eat pesticides, growth hormones and stuff. And I almost never eat fast food. But after a point, all this “premium” stuff is just a scam. People buy it because it’s ~supposed to be better~ whether it actually is or not. It reminds me of an article I once read about a premium bottled water company who got caught selling water straight from the tap. Speaking of bottled water, it’s no coincidence that one of the first companies was Evian. I always wondered if anyone else realized that was “naive” spelled backwards.

      If you really want to eat better then just cut out the sugar, soda and processed flour and start eating more whole foods regardless of whether they’re organic or free range. In the long run that will do more for you.


      August 2, 2016 at 10:24 pm

    • Amen!


      August 4, 2016 at 9:51 am

  2. I don’t know about prole vs non-prole because I’m not a class neurotic new yorker, but fast food like a mcdonald’s quarter pounder is perfectly healthy, for example. You could eat one every day and be fit as a fiddle. It’s low PUFA with a meticulously audited supply chain, and the beef is flash frozen immediately after slaughter so there’s no spoilage. Fast food fried chicken, on the other hand, is pretty damn bad. The deep frying oils are toxic and the high temp cooking process itself produces bad compounds, and the chicken meat is garbage from the getgo because of the feed quality.


    August 2, 2016 at 12:04 am

    • I agree, fried chicken is not healthy. I’ve nearly given it up because of health issues (old age), but it tastes so good.
      A lot of foods that are bad for you won’t adversely effect your health if you eat them infrequently (ie, 2-3/year). The problem is when they are cheap enough to eat frequently.

      Half Canadian

      August 2, 2016 at 3:18 pm

  3. Chain eateries are prole for the most part.

    If you think Fried Chicken is prole (or NAM), there’s always an expensive version that caters towards the SWPL crowd. We have $$$ restaurants in NYC that serve exclusively American food, and fried chicken is on the menu. How about 4 assorted fried drumsticks/wings for $30 vs a bucket at KFC for $10?


    August 2, 2016 at 12:14 am

    • And then there is the wine list where you can complement your fried chicken meal!


      August 2, 2016 at 12:18 am

  4. While it could just be a publicity stunt to connect with proles [it is.], there is a lot of other evidence out there that Trump genuinely likes to eat prole food. [he does.]

    When I was a kid, and even when I was a college student, I never knew that fast food was low class. This is either because people who grow up prole are blind to the class markers of their proleness, or because attitudes towards fast food have changed substantially during the last 25 years [it’s the latter.].

    rather than “prole” the best description of trump is not from fussel…who himself was a striver.

    the best word for trump is “anti-snob”.

    that is, he revels in behaving in a way which strivers think is “prole”, knowing that all of them are striving to be as rich as he is…or claims to be.

    trump is unique. he has never pretended to be anyone other than who he is. and whatever his IQ, he is a genius at one thing…the mass media…they are his puppet.

    to alter the proverb…you shall know them by their enemies.

    jorge videla

    August 2, 2016 at 12:29 am

    • Bingo. His calling Hillary “the devil” yesterday combined with the photo means no one will care about the Khan controversy today. The narrative has changed. Also, the Khan thing, “devil”, and this photo are pure A/B testing on his part. Gotta do it all in August before non-politicos start paying attention after Labor Day. That’s when hits and missteps really count.

      Bilbo Baggins

      August 2, 2016 at 7:48 am

  5. Eat fried chicken with your hands.

    Knife and Fork is hiding one is prole.


    August 2, 2016 at 12:34 am

  6. I remember two things around the same time (’80-’81) that I now connect with the foodie and status eating phenomenon. One was a young woman I met in a club in LA who insisted on telling me that she only ate Haggen-Das (a premium brand at the time) and it was a comment I put down to weird Angeleno culture. The second was a frat guy who made a big display of consuming Henry Weinhards beer which was the first American premium beer I recall (the other one being Lowenbrau if you can believe it). Real beer connoisseurs of the time drank European beers sold at specialty stores. All this free range and locally grown stuff was viewed as some kind of European oddity for folks who’d spent too much time overseas.


    August 2, 2016 at 1:16 am

    • Lowenbrau! I don’t see it anywhere. I wonder if it was discontinued….


      August 2, 2016 at 8:11 am

      • It was. I wrote about Lowenbrau in one of my posts about the movie St. Elmo’s Fire.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 2, 2016 at 10:25 am

      • Didn’t Lowenbrau come in small bottles as an 8-pack? My buddies and I called them “little Lowies,” as in “pass me a little Lowie.”

        E. Rekshun

        August 2, 2016 at 11:22 am

      • Löwenbräu: The official beverage of this blog.

        Has the host thought of asking them for sponsorship?

        Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

        August 2, 2016 at 11:12 pm

  7. Agree with what you said, also, hey, KFC tastes good. Trump is nothing if not unfiltered. He likes what he likes.


    August 2, 2016 at 2:30 am

  8. warren buffet eats at dairy queen.

    he recently echoed joe welch in his boosting for shillary with “have you no decency sir?”

    this proves what utter excrement buffett is.

    the documentary on the hearings that brought mccarthy down show, unmistakeably, that mccarthy’s critics were much more “mccarthy-ite” than tail gunner joe ever was.

    Point of Order

    it is also noteworthy that trump received financial and i assume other assistance from mccarthy’s “batman” (…

    roy cohn.

    so in this case trumop has been down with the “lgbtq” types since the early 80s.

    cohn died from AIDS in 1986 and is a principal character of Angels in America.

    dulcem et decorum est…

    that trump-ism may bring mccarthy up a notch in the esteem of historians.

    it is to be hoped that the trump train is more than the midnight special. “it’s the last best hope of earth.”

    jorge videla

    August 2, 2016 at 3:26 am

  9. (1952 was when McDonalds and Kentucky Fried Chicken both started franchising) were acceptable middle-class places to eat, and even the upper-middle class could eat there without being disgusted by it.

    And back then, McDonalds and KFC weren’t infested with NAMs.

    E. Rekshun

    August 2, 2016 at 4:46 am

    • Aye, there’s the rub.


      August 2, 2016 at 11:01 am

    • Two long-term fast food chains that are still around in NYC are Nathan’s (founded in 1916) and White Castle (founded in 1921).

      Lewis Medlock

      August 2, 2016 at 11:38 am

      • A paranoid NAM or anti-racist might believe the White Castle discriminates against blacks.

        E. Rekshun

        August 2, 2016 at 5:49 pm

  10. “even the upper-middle class could eat there without being disgusted by it”.

    No. My grandparents were upper middle class New Englanders both born before 1914. In the 1970s they certainly never ate at McDonalds, and I have a hard time imagine them ever doing it in the 1950s other than to take the kids. And when I went to fast food restaurants in the 1970s it was because my parents were taking us as a treat, they didn’t go on their own. Back in those days adults would stop at a Howard Johnson’s for a sit down meal if they needed to get cheap crappy food while travelling. The idea that it is ok for adults to eat at McDonald’s or KFC has less to do with prole culture and more to do with the way the 1960s infantilized our culture and made it acceptable for adults to act like teen-agers.

    Peter Akuleyev

    August 2, 2016 at 5:30 am

    • I could be wrong and you could be right.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 2, 2016 at 10:23 am

    • When I was in my early twenties, I drove my elderly, WASPy grandparents who lived in upstate NY down I95 to attend a funeral in Maryland. We stopped at a fast food place in one of the New Jersey turnpike rest stops for lunch, and my grandfather commented that he hadn’t been in a McDonald’s since my father was young (I think it was actually one of the other chains, but he was almost 90 at the time, so he can be forgiven for lumping them all together). I don’t think upper middle class WASPs thought of fast food places as restaurants.


      August 2, 2016 at 5:13 pm

      • Roy Rogers?


        August 3, 2016 at 12:14 pm

    • I read somewhere that William F. Buckley never sampled Kentucky Fried Chicken until he was in his 70s, and after trying it he exclaimed (I paraphrase) “What have I been missing all these years.” He loved it. And this is a man who dined on the finest cuisine and wines his entire life. Prole is good.


      August 3, 2016 at 5:55 am

      • I believe that Popeyes is clearly superior to KFC (better chicken and better sides), although I would recommend that potential customers wear a bullet-proof vest if they do decide to patronize one of their NAM-infested establishments.

        Lewis Medlock

        August 3, 2016 at 11:34 am

      • my dad begrudgingly helped my mom’s prole uncle buy a popeyes in the philly suburbs, and for a period, i ate pretty much nothing but popeyes because it was free. maybe eating there so frequently ruined it for me, but now i find it pretty much inedible. kfc is ok, especially the grilled chicken. and roy rogers is amazing, but there aren’t any around here. i only eat it at the service stops while driving through nj


        August 22, 2016 at 7:08 pm

  11. the third option is that everybody occasionally eats fast food because occasionally you need the convenience.

    I don’t take my family (kids) to fast food because it is lousy and overpriced (note: almost all restaurant food is lousy and overpriced). But we do eat McDonalds when we are travelling. Its fast and easy, and when you’re just trying to get to the cabin that day, its just not worth it to stop at a restaurant along the highway in a town you don’t know, or pack (what, chicken sandwiches?) food in a cooler to reach while driving.

    Maybe Trump does or does not like fast food, but he was just in a hurry that day. Rich people don’t eat catered food three times a day.



    August 2, 2016 at 7:27 am

  12. The first McDonald’s in Manhattan were on 96th St. in 1972 and 125th St. in 1973. Those were and are not affluent areas. I really cannot imagine middle class (as opposed to working class) people eating at a McDonald’s, with the possible exception of those with children in tow. My imagination may be wrong (I haven’t been in a Mickey D’s in decades).


    August 2, 2016 at 7:42 am

    • Manhattan is an exception. You have many cheap food options, including pizza or bagels. It’s different out in suburbia in some places where there are literally no food options other than chain restaurants (from McD’s up to, say, a Magiannos).


      August 2, 2016 at 12:14 pm

  13. Eating prole food in the leather chair of your private jet. Ha! He is not just connecting with proles. He is also saying FUCK YOU to the snooty coastal “elites” who profoundly deserve to have fingers repeatedly poked in their eyes.


    August 2, 2016 at 9:23 am

    • That was my first thought when I saw the photo.


      August 2, 2016 at 11:15 pm

  14. I once saw my WWII generation grandpa eat a cheeseburger and fries with a knife and fork. I’ve never seen anyone else do that. It was pretty shocking. Grandpa was the son of dysfunctional WASP upper class parents. His dad, a graduate of Yale, was a deadbeat loser who filed for bankruptcy three times (even today, three bankruptcies is pretty dysfunctional — you can imagine how dysfunctional that was in the first half of the 20th century.). My grandpa never went to college and was borderline homeless during the Depression, he lived at a lot of “rooming houses” and “men’s residences” which were basically SRO units for the unemployed lumpenproletariat. When WWII came along grandpa enlisted and met my grandmother, a WASP from a more stable family. After rhe war ended my grandma’s father used his connections to get grandpa a job at a bank, and he worked there until he retired.

    I am not sure why my grandpa ate a cheeseburger with a knife and fork. I think he was pretty sensitive about his low-class origins, the fact that he never went to college, etc. Maybe he was overcompensating? Personally, I’m completely comfortable with in my lower-class origins and do not feel the need to compensate in such a manner, LOL.

    It was a really strange sight though. Like Trump, my grandpa had no issue eating a cheeseburger and fries; the WWII generation’s dietary habits were pretty simple. But he ate prole food with a knife and fork because…well, I don’t know why.

    Joe Schmoe

    August 2, 2016 at 9:48 am

  15. For all you under-50 kids, guess what? Almost all mothers used to make fried chicken for their families. Somewhere in the ’60’s Sunset Magazine came out with a recipe for fried chicken made with corn flakes. My mom tried it and it was awesome. I’ve been looking for that recipe for years, but I can’t find it. Yes, I had a Leave It to Beaver childhood. By the way, at this very moment I’m listening to a prole discussion at a McD’s in Marin County. Woman’s telling her friend how a fight started between two guys with trucks because they refused to fold their mirrors in on a narrow road. So much of life comes down to male ego.

    West Coast IA

    August 2, 2016 at 9:52 am

  16. That’s a bucket: presumably Melania and Barron got in on that action, too.


    August 2, 2016 at 9:54 am

    • I’m sure that they got multiple buckets, because Trump has campaign staff on the plane.
      A big contrast with John Kerry. When he and his wife went to Wendy’s (and she didn’t know what chili was), they ordered their food, sat down, left the food, and ordered somewhere else.

      Half Canadian

      August 2, 2016 at 3:43 pm

  17. Prole. It’s What’s for Dinner.


    August 2, 2016 at 10:09 am

  18. Trump is a neat freak and has a fear of bacteria. He correctly assumes that when you are in a new town and you’re not sure how clean local restaurants are, the safest option is to eat from a fast food chain.


    August 2, 2016 at 10:22 am

    • This makes sense. Though, I haven’t been in a McDonald’s in over thirty years, at least you know what you’re getting and the quality and taste. It’s a drag to try some sit-down restaurant or non-chain sandwich shop or pizza joint and be disappointed with the food or service. I went to a decent-looking Italian restaurant/pizza shop the other day with my 80-year old father. He made the mistake of sending his cold meal back to the kitchen. I made the mistake of tracking down the waitress for our check after a long wait. On the way out, the relocated, large NY guid…err…Italian head cook/owner tried to goad my dad and me into a physical altercation – get a beating with your meal, no extra charge!

      Actually, I was in a McDonald’s about one year ago, in a busy commercial area of W. Palm Beach, FL – not to eat but to meet with a guy selling a vehicle (the McDonald’s was right off I-95 and next to the bank where we’d do the transaction). I was appalled at the crappy service, dirtiness of the place, and the vagrants milling around inside and outside, one even lit up a cigarette. The next day, I called the general manager of the place and complained; she seemed concerned w/ my complaint.

      E. Rekshun

      August 2, 2016 at 11:40 am

      • Despite South Florida being a haven for more “liberal” Northerners, the entire state stinks of Southern Prole trash with smells coming from Hispaniola.


        August 2, 2016 at 3:01 pm

  19. trump loves fast food, he is a big mcdonalds fan. he even starred in a pizza hut commercial in australia for some reason.

    james n.s.w

    August 2, 2016 at 10:26 am

  20. Lurker here. Looking for the commenter called Otis The Sweaty. Does anyone know where he is?


    August 2, 2016 at 11:13 am

    • Perhaps somewhere hot and humid?

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 2, 2016 at 12:41 pm

    • The Guido Shore sounds like the right place. Is Otis another greaseball on the Sopranos?


      August 7, 2016 at 1:59 pm

  21. Fake tits are prole, but he likes those, too.

    His wife is a lying, phony whore. This is worse than the Bristol Palin debacle. No college degree and lies about it; plastic surgery, Botox, and fillers very obviously, and lies abut that, too. I can’t believe you’d be OK with that piece of gold-digging garbage as First Lady. What happened to you?

    Sheila Tone

    August 2, 2016 at 11:32 am

    • She’s not running for office. Voting for Trumpism is more important than the personal failings of Donald himself.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 2, 2016 at 12:42 pm

      • that’s exactly right.

        the bernie supporters would do much better to vote for trump because:

        1. trump’s victory will mean the political annihilation of the conservatives, libertarians, randians, neocons, etc.

        2. hillary’s victory will make these people even stronger.

        3. trump is not a conservative or a republican, he’s a pragmatist and a populist. the man wants to be loved above all else. he wants to be the next fdr or tr or reagan or whatever.

        his tax plan…he believed that he had to have such a plan to win the nomination…and he’s right about the nominal top rates on corporations…they are too high…but few actually pay them.

        jorge videla

        August 2, 2016 at 9:14 pm

    • Melania is a THOUSAND times better than Michelle Obama or Hillary Clinton as FLOTUS in every possible respect.


      August 2, 2016 at 2:45 pm

    • No offense, but you sound jealous.


      August 2, 2016 at 2:49 pm

    • Who’s really the biggest misogynist? The other woman.

      Another hit piece

      August 2, 2016 at 4:11 pm

    • She was (and to a certain extent still is) really really hot. Why would she need a college degree?


      August 2, 2016 at 5:19 pm

    • His wife is a lying, phony whore.

      You would trade places with her in a second.

      I can’t believe you’d be OK with that piece of gold-digging garbage as First Lady. What happened to you?

      It’s this guy or ISIS takes over the planet as a drunken Hillary stumbles over White House furniture while she yells at the presidential portraits.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      August 2, 2016 at 7:12 pm

    • Typical idiotic alt right comments. And I thought that leftists were the champion namers, shamers, blamers.

      The Melania porn (which Lion is carefully ignoring) is very bad.

      I think the boobs are real, and she has a terrific figure, but yeah, she is a lying slut. And the plagiarism thing was so sleazy. Now there’s the Khan thing, which he should have been able to hit out of the park.

      He’s not going to be elected. You should all get ready to pick up the pieces after the debacle and put together a true, patriot movement.


      August 2, 2016 at 7:46 pm

      • The plagiarism was so sleazy? You can’t be serious? The statements of a First Lady rank up there with sentiments expressed in a Hallmark card. Plagiarism is the point since saying absolutely nothing but appearing to do it nicely is the objective. Funerals, weddings, birthdays, First Lady speeches, they are all the same regurgitated blather. Regurgitated blather is a feature not a bug.

        As far as lying, who cares? I’ve managed to live life without giving one flying f**k about a single statement made by: Obama wife, Bush wife, Bush wife, Reagan wife, Carter wife, Ford wife, Nixon wife or LBJ wife. The only wife whose comments caught my attention long enough to become irked is Hillary Clinton because she was acting as if she was co-President and doing a poor job to boot. I have no reason to believe Melania will be any more or less offensive than Obama wife who, though she irks some, has been a nonentity to me for eight years. I presume the hot European will be the same.

        BTW – my buddy’s wife says she can’t vote for Trump because he was mean to Rosie. Is there something in the female brain that deprives it of a sense of proportion?


        August 3, 2016 at 2:46 am

    • I love Trump’s policy positions so much I don’t care if it comes out tomorrow that he sucks men off in the bathroom stalls of Trump Tower.


      August 2, 2016 at 10:03 pm

      • “I don’t care if it comes out tomorrow that he sucks men off in the bathroom stalls of Trump Tower.”

        The current President has that predilection already covered, thank you very much.


        August 2, 2016 at 10:39 pm

      • What if it came out that he was a Jerry Sandusky type? I think that would cross the line for me. I still wouldn’t vote for Hillary, but I’d probably have a hard time supporting him.


        August 3, 2016 at 8:56 pm

      • I’m with you: if Trump does nothing but build a wall and deport the illegals, he can spend the rest of his term hawking his shirt & tie sets from a blanket in the Rose Garden for all I care.


        August 4, 2016 at 10:13 am

  22. “This is either because people who grow up prole are blind to the class markers of their proleness, or because attitudes towards fast food have changed substantially during the last 25 years.”

    There was definitely a split since the 1970’s.

    My family was poor but proud and fast food was tantamount to tv dinners and something we did not do. And tv dinners signaled that you had given up and were incapable of feeding your own family and essentially were the end of civilization.

    But other more middle class families I knew did go to McDonalds albeit as a meal alternative not as a structured meal- ie they were are coming back from baseball or a state park. Then it was a cheap, clean, fast alternative. I think by the time of the “Mac Tonight” commercials thing had definitely split off and irredeemably become defined as “low class” since the company was now endorsing the idea that this was on par with dinners you would cook at home.

    One thing I have never gotten is why NYC elites of a particular generation are so in love with the automat. Seems like a horrible, undifferentiated experience and there is no one to even hear your complaints if the food is bad,

    Lion of the Turambar

    August 2, 2016 at 11:35 am

    • The old NYC automats were fantastic and the acting and beautiful people community often ate there. Clean, modern, quick, high-quality, cheap, in a word, American.

      Then the taxes went up and they went too pot along with all else. Another Commie victory.


      August 3, 2016 at 12:23 am

    • This is reminiscent of my father declaring that we couldn’t have Hamburger Helper because it was for poor people.


      August 3, 2016 at 12:31 pm

  23. It doesn’t even matter if he’s prole. His kids are not and this is what counts, if anything!

    Manhattan’s sophisticates:

    vs New England’s high proles:


    August 2, 2016 at 11:40 am

    • That other New England political family, the Kennedys, certainly had several members that engaged in prole behavior.

      E. Rekshun

      August 2, 2016 at 5:54 pm

      • You’re bound to be disappointed if you worship Irishmen.


        August 2, 2016 at 7:08 pm

      • The Romney kids aren’t dysfunctional in terms of behavior. They just appear non-cosmopolitan.

        Love the Bushes tho, Jeb’s half Mestiza daughter going into drug rehab and Dubya’s Jenna caught with a fake ID.


        August 2, 2016 at 7:17 pm

      • There seems to be gender disparity between certain groups in regards to success and education attainment.

        Irish females tend to do a lot better than their men, when it comes to class mobility. And that’s uniquely Irish.

        Half Irish/Half Guidettes do better than the pure breds of both ethnic groups.


        August 3, 2016 at 9:28 pm

    • That other New England political family, the Kennedys, certainly had several members that engaged in prole behavior.

      That’s because Joe Kennedy was a bootlegger.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      August 2, 2016 at 7:16 pm

      • That’s not true. Would it be true, it would be encouraging. Kennedy made his fortune in two of the filtihiest industries around (yesterday and today): banking and Hollywood


        August 3, 2016 at 5:58 am

    • JS, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Trump’s family are not Manhattan sophisticates, and Romney’s family are not NE proles. Go back to insulting Americans with your vaguely Gallic pseudo-sophistication.


      August 2, 2016 at 7:49 pm

      • Trumps’ children oversee luxurious residences in Manhattan. Ivanka is also a fashion designer, and New York City is the fashion capital of the world.

        What’s not sophisticate about them? You fail.

        Romney doesn’t even run his capital in Manhattan, but out of Bahston. I said high prole.


        August 2, 2016 at 10:11 pm

      • My Gallic knowledge of Montreal might be lacking, but Montreal is clearly not an Anglo Prole City in North America. Montreal is the closest you can get, as a Continental European city in the New World.


        August 2, 2016 at 10:19 pm

      • The occupations of Trump’s children is with the Trump Organization that branches out to many industries like the tentacles of an octopus, around the world. If that’s not sophisticate, then what it is?

        Furthermore, Ivanka and Eric are involved in very self actualizing positions or what one would call bobo work. Ivanka is involved with high end fashion design and Eric is involved with high end winery, in fact the most high end in VA.

        Now compare them to Romney’s kids who are in sales, financial services and run in the mill real estate. That’s prole in comparison.


        August 2, 2016 at 10:56 pm

    • Yeah, you can always tell by the shirt cuffs.

      The kids have a few generations to go.


      August 3, 2016 at 12:26 am

      • All Americans are proles. Some more than others.


        August 3, 2016 at 8:41 am

  24. If I were super rich, the one thing I WOULD do is eat at super expensive restaurants ALL THE TIME. And I’d have a chef, plus do a lot of my own cooking since I like to cook. I wouldn’t work, though. What’s the point of getting rich if you keep working? Meh. I would tour the world deliberately to eat at different restaurants.

    I have no interest in a fancy car or gold watches or expensive suits or stuff like that. Though I would always fly first class (unless rich enough to have my own plane, but first class is fine).


    August 2, 2016 at 12:17 pm

    • What’s your latest restaurant review in Manhattan?

      Blue Ribbon (not you’re beloved Blue Hill) in Soho serves pricey American fare.

      Their signature dish is in fact a plate Fried Chicken w/ mash potatoes that costs about $30 for 4 pieces.


      August 2, 2016 at 1:05 pm

      • Well I’m NOT rich so I don’t eat out all the time. I also don’t live in the city so it’s a trip. And I’ve gotten to the point where I experiment less these days and go for the sure thing, so I circulate between the same few restaurants. My rotation is Blue Hill, Gentleman Farmer, Blanca (a once a year blow out) and Take Root. Now and then I’ll do Del Posto, which is great but also a lot of money and you have to dress fancy. If anyone with money wants to take me to dinner, let’s do Eleven Madison Park. One of the best meals of my life (about three years ago) and haven’t been back since.


        August 2, 2016 at 4:13 pm

      • peterike, you and I are so like-minded on everything that I’d definitely buy you a meal if I lived anywhere near N.Y.C.

        My sister can afford to eat at super-expensive restaurants as much as she wants, but she’s the very rare person who can have a lot of delicious food presented to her and just eat the little amount required to take the edge off her hunger. I’d stuff myself in those circumstances.


        August 2, 2016 at 7:27 pm

  25. Note male pro-Trump counter-protester’s long hair (I have long hair and long beard; I’ll bet LibProgs tend to look Square now, while the Rightwingers are more likely to look like freaks):


    August 2, 2016 at 12:56 pm

  26. Note that when Trump was growing up in the 50s and 60s, most people did not really eat out at restaurants, and there really weren’t many restaurants in the first place. There were mostly just greasy diners that served basically the same food people would eat at home, that people would stop at on the road or in cities. There really weren’t even many restaurants for wealthy people. Even wealthy people did not eat out a lot. They’d be members of dining clubs and the like.

    Fast food chains were actually the first widespread restaurants for most Americans.


    August 2, 2016 at 3:00 pm

    • In San Francisco there’s a hugely popular moderately priced Italian/pizza joint that’s been in continuous operation since 1958. The story is that for the first 8-10 years, there was very little business. Woody Allen filmed a scene there for “Blue Jasmine.”


      August 2, 2016 at 4:42 pm

    • Are you just making this up? Of course their were restaurants in the ’50s and 60’s. There weren’t so many ethnic restaurants but there were lots of fine steak houses, for example.


      August 2, 2016 at 7:32 pm

      • Fraunces Tavern is the oldest restaurant in New York. George Washington ate there.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 2, 2016 at 10:02 pm

      • You can see Hollywood’s representation of a restaurant of the ’50s in “The Invasion of the Body Snatchers” (1956). Then there was “Ernie’s” an actual San Francisco restaurant in Hitchcock’s “Vertigo”.


        August 2, 2016 at 10:59 pm

      • No, I’m not making it up. There weren’t many restaurants back then like there are now. Do you think there were hundreds of steakhouses in one area that people went to all the time? In cities, there were some diners along with steakhouses and dining clubs for rich people. It was nothing like the proliferation of restaurants we have today.

        Taverns were more like pubs and meeting houses that would also sometimes take lodgers and serve food, rather than restaurants like we understand them.


        August 2, 2016 at 11:03 pm

  27. SWPL’s look down on everything “unsophisticated” ie that which is good and true and not bullshit status signalling and passive-aggressive power plays and psy wars.

    They looked down on housewives who actually cooked dinner for their families. I’d sell my soul to live in the era of Ward and June Cleaver.


    August 2, 2016 at 4:53 pm

    • Truthfully, American SWPLs suck, when you compare them to the higher classes of Old Euro, their bourgeoise and even the Canadian higher classes. And Canadians are indeed more educated and better traveled.


      August 2, 2016 at 7:30 pm

  28. “I’d sell my soul to live in the era of Ward and June Cleaver.”

    Your quote reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw at a huge car show in West Springfield, MA: “I grew up in America. You should have been there.”

    Lewis Medlock

    August 2, 2016 at 6:03 pm

    • I was watching the movie The Right Stuff a few months ago. I didn’t think it was a particularly good film but the period of America that it brought back to me made me shed a tear. It was greatest.


      August 2, 2016 at 7:51 pm

      • And yet liberals say that that era never really existed, women, homosexuals, and minorities were oppressed, everyone was sexually repressed and in loveless marriages. I actually saw a liberal in an online debate say of the 50’s “everyone was miserable.”


        August 3, 2016 at 7:33 am

      • ” . . . the 50’s “everyone was miserable.”

        Those who survived WWII and the Depression were far from miserable. So far from miserable that they produced one of the largest generations ever to follow. They lived in a happy mostly homogeneous population where few felt the need to explain themselves to others because they knew the rules and felt comfortable with the culture and they weren’t attacked night and day by their cultural superiors. Thus begging the question, what force or cultural power despised them so much that it brought about our present world?


        August 3, 2016 at 7:46 pm

      • “They lived in a happy mostly homogeneous population where few felt the need to explain themselves to others ”

        Of course the person that Hermes spoke of gives us one extreme view of the 1950’s (it was a racist, sexist oppressive place where everyone was miserable.) and Curle gave us a slightly less clichéd version of the other extreme view (the 50’s were a happy time of homogenous white families who had little conflict with anyone, – and it all came to an end because of some elite somewhere.) I’ve always felt that neither view is realistic. How could such a happy culture come to an end so quickly? And why would an elite, mostly white itself, want to end such a wonderful era of greatness? My own view, as someone born in 1961 and who has been hearing about the changes in post 1950’s America since the 60’s officially ended, is that the 50’s were underrated as a decade of change and the 1960’s, due to spectacular events which were conducive to easy and sensationalistic news coverage, were vastly OVERrated as a decade of change. 1960’s history is generally oversimplified and skewed to the point where it has become a garish cartoon. The true story of the 1960’s will not be told as long as the people who were alive and in adulthood during that time are still alive. They stand too much to lose by telling the truth.


        August 3, 2016 at 10:14 pm

      • “How could such a happy culture come to an end so quickly? And why would an elite, mostly white itself, want to end such a wonderful era of greatness?”

        Those are good questions. The answer to the first question is that radical leftists and liberals stopped focusing on the working class and used blacks (civil rights and riots), women (feminism) and the youth (counterculture) to implement their agenda. They were also backed, to a large degree, by pop culture. Part of the reason these movements succeeded was because they were regarded as morally superior and hipper (or cooler) than traditional values.

        The answer to the second question is simple: The white race as cancer (Susan Sontag). Hitler, colonialism, genocide of the native Americans, slavery, oppressive patriarchy, etc. All the world’s evils come from the white man. It’s simplistic nonsense, but it worked like a charm. And, by the way, it still does.

        Lewis Medlock

        August 4, 2016 at 11:57 am

  29. In the late1950s and early 1960s my parents and I went to restaurants in Greenwich Village often. The San Remo (where one might see famous writers or painters), and the Cookery (a very casual place run by a celebrity nightclub owner and supposed Communist). Of course, I was an elementary or junior high school kid so I had no idea about all this. We did eat French fries (not simply “fries”) with our forks, and I usually still do. We also went to the Automat, and (just us “men”) to the seedy Alamo Chili House near Times Square.


    August 2, 2016 at 6:26 pm

    • Guess who works at the San Remo fast forwarding to 2016? The type of people whose children frequent 99 cents pizza parlors, and they ain’t of European descent.

      Welcome to the Jungle!


      August 3, 2016 at 8:45 am

  30. Should it have been Chick-fil-A though for extra trolling power?


    August 2, 2016 at 7:11 pm

    • Where’s Otis? He, Trump, needs to stay well away from anything suggesting he is socially conservative or Christian.


      August 3, 2016 at 6:20 pm

  31. A big chunk of the strivers these days are falling well short of their hopes and having to get by on very little money. There are a LOT of seriously under-employed people out there. You wouldn’t believe how little money they make. They may not want to eat fast food, but that is what they can afford.

    There is a lawyer running for the state supreme court in Minnesota right now because he can’t find a job. Here is his candidate statement:


    August 2, 2016 at 8:27 pm

  32. CNN had a segment tonight mocking Trump for eating fast food with utensils for a good 20 minutes tonight. That’s what 24 hours news has come down to folks. Reverse status-signalling by people who make millions of dollars to read words off of a teleprompter. Fuck ’em. The comeuppance for these jokers is long overdue.

    Panther of the Blogocube

    August 2, 2016 at 11:30 pm

    • Sorry, what do you mean by reverse status-signalling? Do you mean that the presenters are showing that they have less status than Trump because they eat fast food with their hands? I did not see the segment.

      The Shepherd

      August 3, 2016 at 9:00 am

  33. Perhaps Trump doesnt want to be President . I don’t understand how someone can attack a goldstar winner family …. He will loose 10 points because of this .

    Bruno from Paris

    August 3, 2016 at 4:34 am

    • The guy attacked him (or more to the point the media attacked him using the guy). He doesn’t let an attack go without a response. This has no legs. The effects will last days, that’s it. The media are escalating the pace of their attacks, that’s all. Don’t let it affect your perspective. It will be ugly for awhile.


      August 3, 2016 at 10:28 am

  34. Is Trump’s candidacy about to melt down?


    August 3, 2016 at 6:27 am

    • It’s melted down until the next police shooting or ISIS attack.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 3, 2016 at 8:34 am

      • Or WikiLeak. But I’m afraid at this point even that won’t help.


        August 3, 2016 at 8:50 am

      • The Khan thing is a trivial problem with ISIS grabbing everyone’s attention – although he should drop the issue and focus on Hillary.

        The lack of a Ryan endorsement (which voters outside his district don’t care about) seems to be what is really pissing off the establishment Republicans.

        I say that if Republicans establishmentarians start calling Trump unfit (a plan which they are coordingating with Obama but which was probably moved ahead of schedule because Paul Ryan is in danger) he should turn it around and say Hillary, and the establishment which wants the status quo, is unfit, mentally unstable, and she’s hiding medical records of her serious health problems. He can list all of her foreign policy failures as proof.

        An establishment attack on Trump puts him in a position to reach out to independents and say that he is the candidate of change while the GOPe is just trying to hold onto their perks.

        But I’m afraid at this point even that won’t help.

        Not at all correct. Hillary’s lead is soft. She got a standard convention bounce like Trump did. She’s only ahead because Trump hasn’t begun to run attack ads. Since she’s been spending like crazy while Trump spends $0 she’s hit diminishing returns in what ads can do for her numbers. Trump, having spent nothing, has great upside potential when spends on ads.

        It is time for him to start rolling out the air war against her and put her on the defensive.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        August 3, 2016 at 6:28 pm

    • I think Katy Tur has a screw loose. Remember that she dated Keith Olbermann and she literally has two mommies.


      August 4, 2016 at 12:17 am

  35. In South American, people wear plastic gloves when eating KFC.


    August 3, 2016 at 2:00 pm

  36. Eating KFC with utensils has nothing to do with status signalling. KFC is delicious, and everybody knows that when you eat it with your hands, the grease and smell lingers on your hands for hours afterwards, even after you wash your hands. And everything you touch ends up getting some of that grease and smell as well. Trump is wearing a suit, and on his plane, and probably has to handle documents to read and sign off on. In other words, after reading, he would have to touch lots of things that you don’t want to be greasy and stink.


    August 3, 2016 at 2:24 pm

  37. jorge videla

    August 3, 2016 at 4:34 pm

  38. Small note about Trump’s use of utensils in this photo: He definitely has metal utensils on board his plane–a metal spoon is even sitting right there for the mashed potatoes, presumably–and yet he still used the shitty plastic utensils given by KFC. Is he being truly prole or is it just a masterstroke of aping prole behavior?

    lowbrow review

    August 4, 2016 at 2:26 pm

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