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Game over if Hillary wins

Let’s go back to 2012. Mitt Romney lost. But it was NOT game over for Republicans. They maintained dominance in Congress, they blocked Obama from granting statutory amnesty to illegal aliens, not much changed in four years.

Now, a lot of #NeverTrumpers think that the same thing will happen again, and they can run a “true conservative” candidate in 2020. Assuming Republican primary voters will select a “true conservative.” Even if Mitt Romney can be considered a “true conservative,” in 2008 voters selected John McCain (a very moderate pro-amnesty Republican who made deals with Democrats) and of course this year they selected Donald Trump. Primary voters NEVER selected a conservative firebrand like Ted Cruz. George W. Bush was very conservative on Christian issues, but under his presidency we saw massive increases in government spending and government debt, stupid wars in the Middle East that in the long run accomplished no useful goal, and he supported the amnesty bill. The Republican primary process is not capable of selecting a great candidate. Trump is the best we are going to get.

(1) It’s hard to see how the Supreme Court remains conservative or even moderate after Hillary gets to select at least one liberal justice to replace Scalia, and who knows if Kennedy, who is 80 years old, can hang on another four years? Also, Ginsburg is extremely likely to be replaced during the next four years, and it makes a huge difference if she’s replaced by another extreme liberal or by a conservative.

With a liberal Supreme Court, the liberals can rule by judicial fiat even if Republicans control the other branches of government. We saw how activist the Supreme Court was in the period between Brown v. Board of Ed. (1954) and Roe v. Wade (1973). Expect that activism to return big time.

(2) Republicans will be utterly demoralized and there will be forces saying that the key to the Republican future is to agree to amnesty for Hispanics who are “natural conservatives” and will start voting Republican if only Republicans weren’t so hostile to immigration. I know it didn’t happen that way in 2012, but are you willing to risk that it’s going to be the same this time?

Democrats don’t merely want amnesty, they want amnesty with a path to citizenship, and if they get that from Congress, or if the liberal Supreme Court says it’s unconstitutional not to give them citizenship, then we are talking about 11 million new voters who I predict will lean more heavily Democratic than current Hispanic citizens. They may be poor and “uneducated,” but collectively they will remember which party had their back. I guarantee it.

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OldTimer writes in a comment:

Can we please stop trotting out this bullshit 11 million figure which has been static for the better half of two decades? Reliable private sector estimates say it is closer to 30 million, which makes much more sense.

If OldTimer is correct, then amnesty with citizenship would be an even bigger disaster for the future of the Republican Party.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

August 13, 2016 at 9:49 am

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  1. it’s pretty much the end of the line if trump loses, yep. though honestly i still feel in a way a trump presidency would merely “smooth the dying pillow” of the united states rather than rescue it in entirely; though it is possible that even more radical forces could follow in the footsteps of trump (these forces are unlikely to materialise if hillary is made president – unless otis is right), the legal immigration stream under trump would continue and smother america, just more slowly.

    james n.s.w

    August 13, 2016 at 10:03 am

    • If immigration can be cut off, foreigners can be assimilated, just as in previous generations. Chinese and Latinxs will eagerly marry into the white population and dissolve ethnic bloc voting, creating a united patriotic middle class people again.

      It will take a long moratorium, but it can be done, if Americans don’t become a minority in their own country. Getting pretty late for that, though.

      owentt

      August 13, 2016 at 10:53 am

      • so why hasn’t this happened in brazil or mexico?

        brazil is the country of the future and always will be.

        except now it’s clear that the future of the US is brazil.

        Trumpocalypse Now

        August 13, 2016 at 2:50 pm

      • Dream on.

        Daniel

        August 13, 2016 at 5:07 pm

      • @owentt,
        This can happen with the whiter Latinos, and with a certain amount of Chinese/Koreans. But with millions of them coming, the white population will become engulfed.
        Actually I see civil war before that.

        gothamette

        August 13, 2016 at 5:15 pm

      • Assimilating and marrying 100 million 3rd world immigrants isn’t my goal.

        destructure

        August 13, 2016 at 5:59 pm

      • Whites were always a minority in Brazil. There just wasn’t a critical mass of white women to create a white majority so the majority ended up as “pardo.” (mixed)

        Have a look at baseball players Tim Lincecum, and the d’Arnaud brothers, Travis and Chase. All three are half Filipino. Lincecum maybe I could tell, a little but the d’Arnaud brothers to me look 100% white. Asian genes are easily assimilated into the white mass – but the point is, there has to be a white majority. And of course, it means that for every white man who marries a Filipina, a white girl either stays childless or (more likely) goes baby mama.

        At this point, Asians are assimilable. But no society ever stays at this point. It really will be game over by 2030.

        gothamette

        August 14, 2016 at 10:53 am

    • Unless we start paying people to renounce citizenship or start limiting reproduction among the poor and unassimilated (preferably both) we’re in for trouble.

      Also every comment I’ve ever seen from Trump’s actual mouth indicates that he’s just an illegal bad legal good person and is going to end up proposing some sort of touch back amnesty .

      Magnavox

      August 13, 2016 at 11:03 am

      • He’s already said as much with a touch back amnesty, however the beauty of that is that they have to leave the country, go to the US embassy, apply, and then wait for who knows how many years? If they sneak back…off the list. Eventually very few people who “touch back” would ever be allowed back.

        Mike Street Station

        August 13, 2016 at 1:12 pm

      • Eventually very few people who “touch back” would ever be allowed back.

        Yes, the key to Trump’s whole plan is that all the illegals have to leave first. And that makes all the difference in the world.

        Andrew E.

        August 13, 2016 at 2:10 pm

      • Trump doesn’t support “touchback amnesty”. That was another one of Cruz’s lies. The idea behind touchback amnesty is that illegals get to come back if they go home and pass a background check. It was amnesty because they were admitted outside of the normal immigration process. They were admitted in addition to the regular immigration quota. Trump’s plan did neither of these. Illegals were deported. Period. In order to come back, they had to apply just like everyone else. Nor are they admitted outside the normal immigration quota.

        What makes Cruz a particularly despicable sack of piss for making the claim is that he himself pushed amnesty. Not even touchback amnesty but flat out amnesty. He wanted to give illegals permanent residency and work visas. This demonstrates that NeverTrumps don’t really care about amnesty and illegals. They’re just using this attack because they’re pissed off at Trump for not making his campaign about the silly shit they do care about. They put their constitution fetish and social issues ahead of saving the country. As far as I’m concerned they’re no better than the liberals. NeverTrumps aren’t conservatives. They’re vermin.

        destructure

        August 13, 2016 at 7:19 pm

    • I’ve been having the same thought, unfortunately. If Trump loses in November, America is over in 2016. Even if he wins, America is still over in 2020 or 2024. The demographic snowball that will turn America into a permanent leftist country is already rolling downhill. A Trump presidency might hold it stationary for 4 or 8 years, but won’t reverse it. The only thing that could stop it at this point is not only a cessation, but a reversal, of the demographic changes we’ve been undergoing for the past 30 years, requiring mass deportation of not only illegal, but legal immigrants, perhaps even natural born citizens, which obviously is never going to happen.

      Hermes

      August 13, 2016 at 12:00 pm

      • curiously mexico’s birth rate isn’t that high. nor is that of most countries which are top of the league table for immigrants.

        but at least in the case of mexican immigrants, their birth rate increases if they’re in the US to 2x that of the natives or more.

        you can always move to vermont.

        Trumpocalypse Now

        August 13, 2016 at 2:53 pm

      • “The only thing that could stop it at this point is not only a cessation, but a reversal, of the demographic changes we’ve been undergoing for the past 30 years, requiring mass deportation of not only illegal, but legal immigrants, perhaps even natural born citizens, which obviously is never going to happen.”

        Wrong. I’m going to MAKE it happen.

        Robert the Wise

        August 13, 2016 at 9:30 pm

      • OK, Robert the Wise, what do you plan to do? Round up a armed posse? Commandeer a armored tank division? Seriously, I’d like to know. If you did make it happen, you would go down in history along with Charles Martel.

        Njguy73

        August 14, 2016 at 9:16 am

      • TFR for white leftists is around 1.4. For white conservatives it is around 2.2. These figures are even more extreme for extreme white leftists and conservatives. The left is being boiled off from the white gene pool.

        chris

        August 14, 2016 at 2:11 pm

    • If Trump wins the best case scenario is that the US turns into a country like Mexico. If Trump loses the US turns into a country like Honduras.

      Spoons

      August 13, 2016 at 12:44 pm

      • The difference between being Mexico and being Honduras is much bigger than the difference between Mexico and the present USA.

        If we could hold the line at becoming Mexico, we’d be blessed compared to what the Paul Ryan types have planned for us.

        owentt

        August 13, 2016 at 2:54 pm

    • This is all nonsense.

      Obama got elected with the House and Senate in his control and promptly lost the House. And then the Senate and the Govenorships and the lower and upper houses in the States.

      As long as we dont have a stupid candidate still on the ticket in November who loses by 10 points (including Utah and Georgia) the R’s will hold Congress and there will be no stampede to Amnesty. People will quickly tire of HRC on their tv screens and the economic down turn will kill her popularity (such as it is) and 2018 will be another R year.

      Flip the script. If HRC loses (to anyone) the Dem’s are adrift. They have *no* bench. Sanders will be 97 next cycle. Cuomo and Brown aren’t electable nation wide. Biden is out, Reed is retiring, Pelosi is a no way. Who do they have? MoM?

      Without the Presidency the Dems are just the party of a couple of coastal mayors and half of the Seattle town council. They are sunk.

      Then we have the problem that Sanders proved that you can raise $200M running as a crazy old man in a rumpled suit. There are going to be plenty of candidate who dont have soup filled on their shirt who are going to try to run as the crazed Socialist and the Dem’s are going to be driven farther from the center until they have alienated huge parts of the non-coastal electorate.

      If HRC loses (to someone) they are in for a long rebuilding.

      Lion of the Turambar

      August 13, 2016 at 12:55 pm

      • “Obama got elected with the House and Senate in his control and promptly lost the House. And then the Senate and the Govenorships and the lower and upper houses in the States.”

        Republicans can hang on for many years because of off year elections. There is a 50 million voter difference between those who vote in the off year elections and those who vote in the Presidential years. So Republicans can still make their influence felt in the Congress until the next redistricting, and then the demographic changes will make themselves felt in the off year elections too.

        Mike Street Station

        August 13, 2016 at 1:16 pm

      • Democrats control the media and the demographics. They could chose any schmuck and they’ll still win the presidency.

        conceptdelta

        August 13, 2016 at 1:46 pm

      • The Republiczn Speaker of the House is Luis Gutierrez’s blood brother. Paul Ryan wants amnesty and open borders more than Hillary could dream of.

        The Senate will be Democratic and pass amnesty. Paul Ryan will then do everything he can to pass it with 25 R votes and all the Ds and the TruCons will back him every second of the process because muh taxes and abortion.

        owentt

        August 13, 2016 at 3:00 pm

      • No so.

        The lesson from 2008 and 2012 is that Obama on the ticket has his demographics way over perform their expected yield margins. Thats how Romney lost.

        Without an appealing top of ticket, that support will fade away, like in the mid terms. Is a 70 year old frail white woman an appealing candidate?

        Lion of the Turambar

        August 13, 2016 at 3:13 pm

      • @Mike – correct, but what do the Republicans do? They are either cucked, or stupid TruCons. (God forgive me, I’m starting to talk like Otis.) Yeah, they win and win and win and control states, but what the hell do they stand for? Add to that, a decision from a federal judge can reverse whatever a state legislature comes out with. AND, don’t forget our totally homosexualized culture. Tonight is “Pride” night at Citifield, the stadium built at taxpayer expense for the NY Mets.

        I’m not making this up. A sodomite named Billy Beane, who is the MLB’s something or other for “diversity and inclusion” is going to speak before the game. I wonder if the players will be forced to listen.

        gothamette

        August 13, 2016 at 5:20 pm

      • Gosh darn those TrueCons not reserving ad time, not opening offices in Florida and other swing states, saying stupid stuff to take HRC’s latest emails out the news cycle!

        The reason the election is lost is the things Trump is doing. Not TrueCons.

        Lion of the Turambar

        August 13, 2016 at 6:29 pm

      • Shut up, jackass. Trump will sweep all fifty states and American Samoa and Guam.
        Hillary will win the District of Columbia because blacks and government workers, but I repeat myself.

        Robert the Wise

        August 13, 2016 at 9:55 pm

      • “@Mike – correct, but what do the Republicans do?”

        In theory, if the Republicans could get behind anti-amnesty/restricted immigration for long enough (decades) it might allow a safety zone to give time for new immigrants to assimilate…but practically, that’s not going to happen. Pop Culture and the Media have linked those positions with nativism, xenophobia, and racism. I thought it was ironic that the “true conservatives” last year first started attacking Trump as a racist on exactly that basis. How good it must have felt for them to finally stop defending against the charge of racism and finally start flinging it?

        I don’t have a solution, although I think you did mention something about a virus?

        Mike Street Station

        August 13, 2016 at 10:30 pm

      • “I don’t have a solution, although I think you did mention something about a virus?”

        At this point I think that’s the only thing that will save the white majority in the US, or whites anywhere. So what makes me think that a killing virus will spare whites? Technically no virus cares about the race of the host, but developed societies are set up to stamp out epidemics quickly and we are pretty good at doing that. Ebola, exhibit one. We handled that one quite well. That’s how we roll.

        But a more lethal virus, more easily spread, such as the 1918 flu epidemic would have worse consequences in the 3rd world than it did in 1918. Read up on that one. Africa would be completely devastated, and black ghettoes in the US similarly so. Whites and Asians would be affected but would take measures to quarantine themselves and most would survive.

        OK, maybe I’m just trying to write that dystopian fantasy but that’s how I see it.

        gothamette

        August 14, 2016 at 10:59 am

      • Could you guys promoting viruses and bankrupting the NYT retire from the field and leave it to the non-insane to bail out the country?

        Lion of the Turambar

        August 14, 2016 at 3:07 pm

      • “OK, maybe I’m just trying to write that dystopian fantasy but that’s how I see it.”

        There seems to be a pretty good market for that in the Young Adult field. But if you really want to be published, you would need to write one in which the virus kills off most white people. They would probably make a major motion picture out of that staring Samuel L Jackson as the former Secretary of Health and Human Services who’s elevated to the White House.

        Mike Street Station

        August 14, 2016 at 6:02 pm

      • @Lion of the Turambar,

        What the hell is a Turambar?

        gothamette

        August 14, 2016 at 8:32 pm

      • A character from The Silmarillion by JRR Tolkien?

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 14, 2016 at 11:54 pm

  2. Can we please stop trotting out this bullshit 11 million figure which has been static for the better half of two decades? Reliable private sector estimates say it is closer to 30 million, which makes much more sense.

    OldTimer

    August 13, 2016 at 10:07 am

    • At this point, what difference does it make? 11 million new citizens who vote 80/20 for Democrats is more than enough to permanently tip the scales. Texas will become a blue state and that means the GOP will never be competitive nationally for President again (or at least not for several generations).

      So arguing that the true figure is 30 million is just icing on the cake. The potential new votes are already there to make Democratic rule permanent.

      Mike Street Station

      August 13, 2016 at 10:14 am

      • >>GOP will never be competitive nationally for President again (or at least not for several generations).

        No, the GOP will never be competitive again, ever. There is no magic dirt that will ever turn Mexicans and other Latinos (and Asians for that matter) into Republicans, no matter how many generations they will live in this country. The Republican party is dead. In the future there will be a colored party and a white party, and they will fight over everything. Eventually the coloreds will get fed up with being ruled by and overclass of whites and will drive the white elites out of the colored party. These whites will come to the white party as the neo-neo cons and screw the white party up too. The future is bleak. Trump talks about fear, we have every reason to be fearful.

        Daniel

        August 13, 2016 at 5:14 pm

    • Interesting. Could you provide links to some of those higher estimates? Thanks in advance.

      conceptdelta

      August 13, 2016 at 10:34 am

  3. In sane world, the Republican-dominated Congress and Democrat-dominated presidency would strike a grand bargain – a surrender on a host of Culture War issues in exchange for a multi-decade immigration moratorium. Unfortunately, both sides are too attached to their own bullshit dogmas to do that.

    IHTG

    August 13, 2016 at 10:11 am

    • Why would the Democrats compromise one iota on the culture war? They’ve won every battle of that war.

      Mike Street Station

      August 13, 2016 at 10:57 am

      • And now they’re looking for any remaining survivors so they can bayonet them.

        Sgt. Joe Friday

        August 13, 2016 at 12:31 pm

      • Painfully true.

        conceptdelta

        August 13, 2016 at 1:47 pm

      • Well, their base attaches a large psychological significance to the Culture War issues. So an explicit surrender from conservatives on those issues would be something they might be eager to obtain in order to sell to their voters, as opposed to a slower and less glamorous gradual grinding down of the opposition through Supreme Court verdicts.

        IHTG

        August 13, 2016 at 3:17 pm

      • Right – what’s next? I have an idea, but I’m interested to hear yours.

        gothamette

        August 13, 2016 at 5:22 pm

      • “Well, their base attaches a large psychological significance to the Culture War issues. So an explicit surrender from conservatives on those issues would be something they might be eager to obtain in order to sell to their voters…”

        But immigration is explicitly part of the culture war. Why would they surrender on that when half the GOP is in favor of the full amnesty/open borders?

        Off hand, I can’t think of anything they need to compromise on. They won.

        Mike Street Station

        August 13, 2016 at 6:25 pm

      • The left will never be satisfied. Even if conservatives capitulated on every single social issue today the left would wake up with whole new list of crazy demands tomorrow. They can’t help it. It’s who they are.

        destructure

        August 13, 2016 at 7:02 pm

      • Well, like I said, bullshit dogmas.

        IHTG

        August 14, 2016 at 5:41 am

    • When the public starts cottoning to the fact that actual multiculturalism is a disaster and that we have imported some of the most belligerently superstitious people on the planet and that these people are inclined to force their superstition on us they will be asking questions number one of which will be ‘what force caused this to come about.’ Their targets will likely be:

      1) Cheap labor lobby;
      2) Those (perhaps a lot of overlap with the cheap labor lobby) seeking to neutralize the last remaining outpost of non-serfs (white men);
      3) A conscious divide and conquer strategy conceived and executed by elites with a particular focus on elite Jews who are thought by many prole gentiles to be extra-treasonous (the Kevin MacDonald approach).

      Even if the MacDonald approach seems preposterous, it will gain traction if and when the shit starts hitting the fan unless the alternate case is made forcefully and early. The anti-immigration movement desperately needs some high profile Jewish people identified with it. Look at what’s happened in UK, the leader of Labour, the second largest political party, is openly hostile to Israel and apparently Judaism and it appears he may be doing so to consolidate his position with Muslim voters. This could be America’s future.

      Curle

      August 13, 2016 at 11:28 am

      • Muslims are apparently cagier than we believe. At least since 9/11, when they go medieval on us the victims are goys and hispanics. It’s as if they’re chary of political realignment.

        tiny blades

        August 13, 2016 at 12:31 pm

      • two lies behind immigration are:

        1. the US is a “nation” of immigrants…until the late 19th c the US was a nation-state. TR even averred that the american people were a people and had combined all the best elements of europe, mostly british…the wogs begin at calais.

        2. obama himself mis-used e pluribus unum which never had anything to do with the melting pot ideology…the many were the states…the one was the US.

        it is noteworthy how shallow trump’s american ancestry is, and that hillary had an immigrant grandparent.

        so what one sees is that wave after wave of immigrants has pushed aside the natives and invented (lied about) what america has always been.

        and this is one reason why america “needs” immigrants. they’re the only people stupid enough to buy into the american exceptionalism bullshit.

        W was a moron, but at least he was descended from mayflower passengers on both sides of his family.

        the quality of a country and the quality of its people are indistinguishable.

        Trumpocalypse Now

        August 13, 2016 at 3:07 pm

      • I think American Jews have a true death wish. Every time I bring up the situation in UK to them, I get the blank look of a cretin.

        gothamette

        August 13, 2016 at 5:23 pm

      • Prole American Jews love Donald Trump. It’s the elites who hate him.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 13, 2016 at 6:04 pm

      • You and your prole American Jews, Lion. How many American Jews are truly prole? Outside of the Russians, maybe 10% – and dying fast.

        Hillary will get 80% of the American Jewish vote.

        gothamette

        August 13, 2016 at 7:03 pm

      • More than 10%.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 13, 2016 at 7:46 pm

    • back in 2012-2014 the ryan-boehner wing of the gop could have got an amnesty if they were willing to reduce legal immigration. hell they could’ve gotten welfare/tax reform (welfare and tax deductions/credits are only available to citizens) they’re always talking about.

      but cutting legal immigration “is not who we are.” morons.

      dsgntd_plyr

      August 13, 2016 at 11:42 am

      • Ryan is enemy #2, right after Hillary. I’m hoping the anti-globalist vote for his democratic opponent to get rid of him.

        conceptdelta

        August 13, 2016 at 1:50 pm

  4. Historically Hispanics vote 4:1 for Democrats, this is unlikely to change. It would permanently put Florida in the Democratic column – making it impossible for Republicans to ever win the Presidency.

    conceptdelta

    August 13, 2016 at 10:36 am

  5. The Alt Right website Radix Journal (http://www.radixjournal.com) has had some interesting things to say about the issue.

    One possible outcome of Whites becoming a minority is breaking through the anti-White, PC propaganda and Whites becoming aware of their “Identity”, similar to other minority groups, who then form voting blocks.

    conceptdelta

    August 13, 2016 at 10:41 am

    • Not a chance. Liberals are quite aware of their whiteness; and that’s why the vote Dem. They are born hypocrites, traitors, and are shits who desire to hurt their co-ethnics. They’ve succeeded.

      fakeemail

      August 13, 2016 at 11:20 am

      • Whites have been brainwashed to hate Whites. Undoing this is the only solution.

        conceptdelta

        August 13, 2016 at 1:57 pm

  6. Due to Washington’s demographic policy (open boarders, welfare subsidies, etc.) pushed by Big Money of all types (i.e. the super rich who own major corporations, media, fund politicians, PACs, etc.), it’s over either way. Trump will at best slow down the destruction, but there is no sign that he will reverse it. I’m not sure he can or will. He would have make his policies more populist than they already are to do so. We need someone who can reverse it. In the end, it all boils down to demographics.. Trump simply wants to be like Netanyahu. Trump has already shifted the Overton Window in a great way, and in that regard we should all be grateful.

    We need to reform the campaign finance system (strictly limit contributions to all PACs, etc.) and use anti-trust laws to give equal time to candidates in the mainstream media.

    Steven J.

    August 13, 2016 at 10:42 am

    • that the very rich want to suppress wages and thus make themselves even richer demonstrates that the people who rise to the very top of the american economy have something seriously wrong with them.

      Trumpocalypse Now

      August 14, 2016 at 1:37 am

    • I keep seeing “open boArders” in this kind of discussion. America as the world’s Airbnb.

      Herb Dregs

      August 15, 2016 at 2:59 pm

  7. Gerrymandering guarantees R control of Congress through 2033 if Hillary is elected. Lots of congressional Rs want Trump to lose to lock in their own jobs.

    owentt

    August 13, 2016 at 10:47 am

    • Bullshit. The Republican wave in Congress is just an artifact of this moment in time, where Democratic constituencies are crammed together in city wards voting 80-20 D while Republicans are spread out everywhere else by enough to win races by smaller margins of 10 or 15 points. Dems are already working to fix that by enacting new housing policies that push minorities out into the suburbs, while conveniently increasing the value of the urban real estate owned by their wealthy white supporters. Even without that, natural demographic change is already eroding the Republican base year by year.

      But yeah, Congressional Republicans might well be dumb enough to think they have guaranteed jobs through 2033.

      Richard

      August 13, 2016 at 11:06 am

      • That is quite correct, and goes by the name of AFFH, “Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing”, adopted by HUD earlier this year.

        sestamibi

        August 13, 2016 at 12:23 pm

      • How do we effectively fight against this forced assimilation (AFFH, “Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing)”?

        conceptdelta

        August 13, 2016 at 2:00 pm

    • They might think that but no amount of gerrymandering will stop the coming wave of immigration through Hillary’s non-deportation policy on top of the legalization of all current illegal immigrants

      Winston

      August 13, 2016 at 11:48 am

  8. This is all obvious to me, but modern movement conservatism is essentially a utopian movement that is impervious to reality because it’s premised on a false understanding of human nature. They assume that everyone’s really the same, deep down, and the only reason minorities vote Democratic is because they haven’t been enlightened about the Constitution and the growth potential of TruCon economic policies like Paul Ryan’s. It’s an insidious combination of Christian universalism in the flyover states and the liberal universalism shared among the Beltway commentariat, right and left.

    We could laugh about it if we were detached from the consequences, but it’s like being chained to a man who insists on throwing himself into the ocean in the middle of the North Atlantic. The results are in and movement conservatism has already shown itself to be self-destroying. It basically started with Ronald Reagan in California, but after decades of letting the free market decide and immigration giveaways to corporate interests California is now a deep blue state that hasn’t elected a non-celebrity Republican to statewide office in nearly 20 years. Californian elections became so boring that voters changed the process so that the top two vote-getters in the primary, no matter what party they belong to, now advance to the general election. So this year the U.S. Senate race in California is going to be between two Democrats.

    That’s what’s going to be the future in America, unless movement conservatives quickly come to their senses. A rump Republican Party that is eventually ignored while all the action takes place in power struggles within the Democratic Party. And half of those struggles will just be a juggling of ethnic and regional interests, as in this year’s CA Senate race, which is a contest between a black Democrat from the Bay Area and a Hispanic Democrat from Los Angeles. Ideology won’t matter a whit. It’ll be tribes teaming up against tribes, as the social capital of the United States unravels generation by generation.

    Richard

    August 13, 2016 at 10:47 am

    • “…modern movement conservatism is essentially a utopian movement that is impervious to reality because it’s premised on a false understanding of human nature.”

      I think that’s essentially correct. “True Conservatism,” Libertarianism, and yes, Marxism, all have the same understanding of human nature; that man is homo economicus, and faith, blood and soil are irrelevant. It’s the thinking that Hispanics are natural conservatives, The EU nations can really be one country, and a One State solution in Israel is possible. In other words, the entire world is governed by fantasy.

      Mike Street Station

      August 13, 2016 at 11:05 am

    • For such a great President, Reagan sure did smash his home state real good, didn’t he?

      If I had to choose between winning the Cold War and building a border wall, I’d have taken the wall. Especially in the 80s when it wouldn’t have been too late.

      fakeemail

      August 13, 2016 at 11:23 am

      • Reagan should have said, “Mr. Gorbachev, tear down that wall! And then be a pal and send the parts to us so we can rebuild it here, would you? Thanks, man.”

        Njguy73

        August 14, 2016 at 9:21 am

    • Agree, 100%. We might be saved by a virus. I know that sounds terrible. But what group would survive a cataclysm?

      About Christian universalism, two things. At the beginning of the Iraq war, I had arguments with First Things reading Catholic conservative friends about the capacity of Arabs for democracy. How well did that turn out?

      Second, are you aware of the Evangelical female obsession with adopting black children from Haiti and Africa? It’s like a bizarre suicide cult.

      gothamette

      August 13, 2016 at 11:48 am

      • “Second, are you aware of the Evangelical female obsession with adopting black children from Haiti and Africa? It’s like a bizarre suicide cult.”

        Yes I have relatives like that. It didn’t turn out great.

        Mike Street Station

        August 13, 2016 at 1:21 pm

      • Per the young Christian import the sub-Sahara movement, one of those guys works with me and told me over lunch of his ambition (with his wife) to adopt sub Sahara children. I pushed back and asked how that might benefit the country in any way. He only responded that it would be good for the kid. That’s how bad things have gotten. Christians are going insane and Jews are planting their heads in the sand (or worrying about mean southerners).

        Curle

        August 13, 2016 at 1:54 pm

      • Ideas on fighting this anti-White suicide cult?

        conceptdelta

        August 13, 2016 at 2:03 pm

      • Alt-rightists need to take over the mainstream media. But I have no idea how they could do that.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 13, 2016 at 2:25 pm

      • If you don’t mind the personal question, can you supply details? If you do mind the personal question, don’t supply details. (But I’m morbidly fascinated.)

        gothamette

        August 13, 2016 at 5:26 pm

      • PS my question was to Mike St Station

        gothamette

        August 13, 2016 at 5:28 pm

      • “If you don’t mind the personal question, can you supply details? If you do mind the personal question, don’t supply details. (But I’m morbidly fascinated.)”

        My aunt and uncle were a 70’s version of hippie/evangelical. He was a social worker and worked at various “troubled youth” homes and programs. My aunt was ill so they didn’t think they could have children so they adopted; two Honduran Indian kids and one black kid. Adoptees (at least all of the ones I’ve known) are troubled so they had problems with the kids naturally. They are all grown now and the Indian brothers have some contact with the family but not much, and the black kid, my “nephew” grew up to be a criminal. He became homeless and would periodically crash and various “relatives” houses, then steal from them. He periodically goes from jail to homeless and back again. He was given every opportunity too. My aunt and uncle were highly educated and would have helped him go to any college he wanted to.

        It was a powerful lesson to me in the genetic components of personality. None of those kids had anything in common with the parents who raised them.

        Mike Street Station

        August 13, 2016 at 6:41 pm

      • Sorry Mike, that is a sad & terrible story. It reminded me that there were adoptions in my extended family, also from Honduras. But they turned out OK. Not world beaters but reasonably well adjusted Americans.

        gothamette

        August 13, 2016 at 8:03 pm

      • destructure

        August 13, 2016 at 9:10 pm

      • I spent the bulk of my twenties having oneitis for this hardcore Evangelical girl. She agreed to date me, but ultimately rejected me and went on to marry a more hardcore Evangelical guy. Per Facebook, they have adopted twice (presumably after trying unsuccessfully to conceive, as she was already 30 when they got married): first, a white American baby, and second, a black one. Sort of a lesson in the red pill and the suicidal liberalism of “conservative” Evangelicals, all rolled into one.

        Hermes

        August 14, 2016 at 2:13 am

    • the women running for senate are kamala harris and loretta sanchez. they both have white husbands, and sanchez’s sister is also a congresswoman.

      so maybe that’s the future. a half-white oligarchy… weren’t their jokes after obama got elected about this outcome?

      question for california residents. are there any democrats going after white votes?

      dsgntd_plyr

      August 13, 2016 at 11:51 am

      • Sanchez is going after the white vote and conservative vote. She has argued against Moslem immigration and cheap labor immigration policies on human rights grounds.

        Of course, that’s why the MSM is backing Harris.

        owentt

        August 13, 2016 at 3:08 pm

      • That’s a good question. About ten years ago California, by popular referendum, stopped holding closed party primaries for nominations for public office and replaced them with “top two”. Under the new system, all candidates run in the primary together and all voters may participate. The top two vote-getters go on to the general election.

        It is quite obvious that in a one-party Dem state like California, more and more of the top two will be Democrats and the GOP will be shut out completely from fielding general election candidates. On the other hand, there still will be a significant (if not an electoral majority) of Republicans for the foreseeable future, and they will be the swing vote in statewide contests. Such is the case in the present senate race, and explains why Loretta Sanchez has chosen to tack right.

        On the other hand, if this keeps up, watch for the Dems to try to bring back the closed primary. When that happens, the Democratic nomination for just about any office will be tantamount to election (as it is most cities of the NE with partisan elections) and the Dems will have succeeded in their objective of shutting Republicans out of the process completely.

        sestamibi

        August 13, 2016 at 8:17 pm

    • Very insightful, thank you for sharing.

      conceptdelta

      August 13, 2016 at 2:02 pm

      • Don’t forget conservatives obsession with denying human nature on gender relations. Sure average age of marriage of 25-27 can mix with anti-abortion and abstinence only education, bunch of putzes. Oh and that’s before we get to their complete and total ignorance of female nature. Cuckservative vermin all of them.

        Otis the Sweaty is right, the main benefit of 2016 may have been the extermination of the idiot Trucons.

        Religion is very important, liberals who are anti-religion are idiots, but so are conservatives who use religion to deny people the good things in life, while not offering them a useful alternative (be fruitful and multiply).

        OldTimer

        August 13, 2016 at 2:55 pm

    • Good point. The bullshitters at National Review are always crowing about how the Democrats live in a world of illusion and magic, but it is actually the Republicans who do so. The future of conservatism is strictly a collection of noisome little magazines that will have no effect on the ground.

      Daniel

      August 13, 2016 at 5:18 pm

    • all universalisms are utopiann.

      though history may have few genuine lessons, one of its unmistakeable lessons is particularism good; universalism bad.

      Trumpocalypse Now

      August 14, 2016 at 1:43 am

  9. They estimated that 20,000 illegals per night were going through Organ Pipe National monument.

    They had to close the park for 11 years.

    We can’t even keep are parks open and safe because of these damn illegals.

    ttgy

    August 13, 2016 at 11:31 am

  10. I really think its game over already. America as it was, or as many of us hope it could be, is gone. And by this I don’t mean specifically a white nation (though it may be that only a white nation could achieve it). Rather, a nation of the middle class-a nation where accomplishment is possible, or rewarded, and the middle class ideals are the ideal. Every little bit of corruption that we see and dislike (affirmative action for college slots, differing definitions of ‘hate crimes’ for whites and blacks, pandering to minorities/women, changing military standards to allow women into the infantry, or gays into the service, hyper attention to minority olympians and reduced attention for white males, etc etc) are effectively little breaks in the middle class, healthy meritocracy that, though imperfect, used to exist. Trump may slow it down for four or eight years, but its not going back, and the general trajectory is not going to change.

    “One possible outcome of Whites becoming a minority is breaking through the anti-White, PC propaganda and Whites becoming aware of their “Identity”, similar to other minority groups, who then form voting blocks.”

    That won’t work. For all intents and purposes, whites are already a voting block. White men are definitely a voting block (for Republicans). Its not having the desired effect-Republicans just ignore them.

    The only thing that could change-that could save America (and frankly Western Europe) from becoming, at best, Brazil, and at worst, South Africa, is an explicit racially segregating philosophy and political solution (for example: the racial rearranging of Europe after World War 2, or the expulsion of White Frenchmen from Algiera post-Algerian War). In America, that probably means the split up of the country into racial nations. In Europe, that means expulsion of minorities.

    Whether either would really happen is hard to predict: but both are a long long way from happening, and if they do happen, the world would be so different both beforehand (to allow them to happen), and so unpredictable afterwards (happenings of this scale would transform the world in major, and unpredictable, ways), it is impossible to say that ‘America,’ or ‘Western Civilization’ are or are not even still in existence.

    So I don’t think it makes sense to hope for Trump to ‘Make America Great Again’- to bring back 1962 or the 1950’s (not literally, but morally or culturally) or whatever. But hoping for Trump, because that would represent the first (small) step of a radically new cultural condition-a complete break from the past- makes sense. But that new cultural condition is really unpredictable, and may be horrible.

    anonymousse

    anonymousse

    August 13, 2016 at 11:35 am

    • Self-selection segregation seems like the only option. Black nationalist suggested they move en mass to one or two southern states (e.g., Mississippi). Whites should leave those states.

      The Pacific Northwest and New England areas could become defacto “White” states.

      conceptdelta

      August 13, 2016 at 2:12 pm

      • The northwest is nice. They have a lot of nice mountainous areas and national parks. New England is pretty good too.

        It will be a struggle to do it though. These SJW’s won’t let whites live by themselves..

        These SJW’s believe in forced diversity or a so called diversity dictatorship, especially when they can still live in their rich white areas.

        ttgy

        August 13, 2016 at 2:33 pm

      • The Pacific NW is nice except that the whites living there are heavily composed of German-Scandinavian whites who are less independent than southern whites (who have UK Isles heritage) and thus more deferential to authority, more passive and willing to go along to get along. I struggle to understand how the people who were so tough in WWII would be such pussies when not at war, but they are. I’d bet money that the Evangelicals adopting sub Sahara babies are over-represented by these folks as opposed to your run of the mill southerner of UK extraction.

        Curle

        August 13, 2016 at 3:34 pm

      • In terms of self-preservation we should try framing things in terms of opposing *forced assimilation*

        We should highlight how oppressive countries have done it, including the US and Native Americans. This would make it more difficult for SJWs to attack us.

        conceptdelta

        August 13, 2016 at 8:39 pm

  11. Trucons are absolutely insane. they think politics has nothing to do with identity, and everything to do with esoteric theories. in that sense they’re similar to socialists, communists and libertarians.

    over on alt-right twitter they’re saying the trucons need to be purged ruthlessly. i agree, FULL ERDOGAN!

    dsgntd_plyr

    August 13, 2016 at 11:39 am

    • Erdogan has actually won election, has the support of a large majority, and is part of a broader very successful movement in his country. None of that applies to Trump.

      Magnavox

      August 14, 2016 at 12:51 pm

  12. We’re already at a point where the Democratic nominee does not believe in deportations except for criminals. If we legalize everyone that is here AND we have a flood of new immigrants for the next 4 (or 8) years since we no longer deport anyone, think of what the policy of the next nominee will be. The change will not be gradual and it is only going to accelerate.

    Winston

    August 13, 2016 at 11:45 am

  13. At this point, I’d buy more guns and ammo. Just sayin’.

    Vincent

    August 13, 2016 at 11:59 am

  14. from the washington post. trump supporters are altruistic nationalists https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/08/12/a-massive-new-study-debunks-a-widespread-theory-for-donald-trumps-success/

    they’re doing better than average, but are willing to blow up the status quo to help other americans.

    dsgntd_plyr

    August 13, 2016 at 12:18 pm

  15. Future of the Republican party? There is no party left, the leadership has destroyed it. If anything, Trump has laid bare the venal, contemptible nature of the republican leadership. You may not like his bombastic language or braggadocios manner but underlying all that is a message that resonates with millions of peoples legitimate fears, the republican parties response continues to piss on all of us. I would expect many of us are voting only for Trump now, the rest of the republicans will get a free ride. If Trump loses, we’ll never vote republican again, unless the republicans purge the #nevertrump types and remake themselves into a genuine Nationalist Party, but again that would be a different party than what you have now. I would wager there’s enough of us that will effectively render the party as is unwinnable, certainly for any close election. Do the Paul Ryans and Karl Roves really think we’ll go back to the “Oh it’s a shame Mitt Romney didn’t win, he’s such a class act” groveling servitude?

    There were 30 million illegals in this country when Reagan stabbed the working class in the back, there’s 50 million now.

    2 Minute Rage

    August 13, 2016 at 12:27 pm

  16. Republicans are screwed either way.

    If conservatives pick a judge it’ll be some anti-science, anti-abortion, anti-birth control nut.

    They will already lose by then because the already high NAM fertility rates will explode..

    Kaz

    August 13, 2016 at 12:43 pm

  17. We’ll be lucky of the worst effects of a Hillary win are a liberal Supreme Court for 100 years and 50 million new democrat citizens. The gobalists have already scheduled WWIII and it’s game on if/when Hillary takes office.

    Andrew E.

    August 13, 2016 at 1:10 pm

    • WWIII? See my above comment. IMHO, the vast majority of the fighting will not be overseas…

      Vincent

      August 13, 2016 at 1:41 pm

  18. Hillary’s actions will likely lead to another ISIS strike on US soil. She wants to bring in hundreds of thousands if not millions of “refugees.” She wants to be like Merkel.

    Steven J.

    August 13, 2016 at 1:46 pm

  19. This is why the NeverTrump losers like Turambar are dangerous and deluded people. this election will change everything. if the felon clinton gets in the constitution is dead, the republican party is dead, the rule of law is dead. With a Hillary supreme court a compliant media and 30 million new democrat voting immigrants, there will be no hope left. It’s Trump or die. The idiot NeverTrumpers are to dumb to see that.

    JimBonobo

    August 13, 2016 at 1:47 pm

  20. I’m trying to avoid taking the black pill…

    What do people think about a fusion of Trump and Sanders voters? Anti Open Borders and bad trade deals. I don’t care about tax rates. All the social issues have already been lost.

    conceptdelta

    August 13, 2016 at 2:25 pm

    • SJWs think that immigration restriction is RACIST. There’s no common ground with any of them.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 13, 2016 at 2:52 pm

      • Sanders was originally against “right wing” open borders that exploit working Americans. It’d have to be framed that way. Notice the Bernie fans were mostly White.

        conceptdelta

        August 13, 2016 at 3:14 pm

      • unless it’s immigration restriction from western europe.

        then it’s totally fine.

        Trumpocalypse Now

        August 13, 2016 at 3:34 pm

      • “Sanders was originally against “right wing” open borders that exploit working Americans. It’d have to be framed that way. Notice the Bernie fans were mostly White.”

        Yeah, yeah, yeah, so Bernie gave that one interview with Ezra Klein where he was asked about open borders and replied it was a “Koch brothers” idea. So what? SJWs might not favor the phrase “open borders,” but they believe in de facto open borders, because as Lion said, any immigration restriction is RACIST. Even if you could frame it as fighting against the exploitation of working Americans, it would never last. I have a cousin who was a big Bernie supporter, who’s a big Hispanophile and loves the Hispanicization of the USA, and thinks any opposition to it is “racist.”

        Hermes

        August 13, 2016 at 5:29 pm

      • I wrote about that interview between Sanders and Vox here. But Sanders got his mind right over the course of the campaign and eventually adopted a more standard Democratic open borders policy. Towards the end, he was indistinguishable from Hillary on that issue.

        Mike Street Station

        August 13, 2016 at 6:46 pm

    • Sanders was never actually against open borders in practice. He just gave one interview where he highlighted some of the negative aspects of open borders.

      https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/congress/958/gradescoresheet

      Magnavox

      August 14, 2016 at 12:44 pm

  21. i predict a lot of internal migration as well as emigration.

    vermont and nh will increase in population.

    americans will move to canada and the antipodes if they are able to.

    Trumpocalypse Now

    August 13, 2016 at 2:45 pm

    • atlas will shrug.

      except atlas isn’t individual supermen…ayn rand’s very female fantasy.

      atlas is a whole group of people…white men.

      Trumpocalypse Now

      August 13, 2016 at 3:10 pm

    • I checked immigration to Australia.

      http://www.visabureau.com/australia/immigration-points-test.aspx

      Do it while you’re young…seems they don’t regularly accept people over 50.

      conceptdelta

      August 13, 2016 at 3:30 pm

      • To any American who thinks Australia is The Answer: DON’T DO IT.

        Australia is more PC than the US. The entire Anglosphere is totally corrupted by leftist ideas, supported by Big Business money.

        gothamette

        August 13, 2016 at 5:35 pm

      • It would be nice if non-deranged people could go split off a big chunk of someplace like North Dakota or South Dakota and call it a day. Unfortunately the powers that be will never let that happen. Options seem to be going to Russia or converting to Islam.

        Panther of the Blogocube

        August 13, 2016 at 7:06 pm

      • Even if Australia is PC it is still 90% White (and 8% Asian) and has a potential future.

        conceptdelta

        August 13, 2016 at 8:54 pm

      • australia is not more PC than the u.s. i live there. casual sexism/racism is WAY more acceptable in australia than the u.s. the left-wing candidate for prime minister in 2004 was on the radio 2 years ago and said shit that would have had an american politician roasted alive by feminists: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TEa96efBlU . obviously australia is pretty p.c but we don’t even have gay marriage yet and there are fewer minorities here so minorities have less power. and yes, australia is not the answer. dont fall for that either. australia just operates on sociological time -10 yrs behind the u.s or so. we catch up to you guys and sometimes surpass you on a bunch of crap. but its definitely not true that aus is more p.c than the u.s

        james n.s.w

        August 14, 2016 at 9:04 am

  22. Working on tweaking a meme. I’ve seen the evidence supporting the saying “diversity + proximity = conflict”

    How do these sound instead:

    Diversity + Proximity = Hostility

    Diversity + Proximity = Animosity

    Diversity + Proximity = Tragedy

    Do any of feel more persuasive/ memorable because of the rhyming?

    conceptdelta

    August 13, 2016 at 3:23 pm

    • just say…

      diversity is our weakness.

      Trumpocalypse Now

      August 13, 2016 at 4:48 pm

      • That’s good as well, but it’s a little to aggressive for some situations.

        conceptdelta

        August 13, 2016 at 6:42 pm

    • where did you hear that australia is 90% white?? no way thats true, more like 80% white. the census in australia makes asking the question about australia’s racial demographics difficult to answer because there’s no direct questions about your race on there, just ethnicity, and a lot of people nominate “Australian” for their ethnicity, which means nothing (though very often it means white).

      james n.s.w

      August 14, 2016 at 9:07 am

  23. “Trump needs an October surprise”
    “Game over if Hillary wins”
    ???

    The whole world wonders while Lion builds his syllogism.

    Trump incapable of winning +
    Hillary must not be permitted to win
    ergo ==> Hillary must be opposed by someone who can win.

    Are we just days way from completing the trilogy of posts that will be the biggest systemic shock to the HBD world since Derbyshire retweeted the Kardashians.

    Lion of the Turambar

    August 13, 2016 at 4:04 pm

    • If you think Jeb!, Cruz, or Ryan, are capable of winning you are mentally damaged.

      Panther of the Blogocube

      August 13, 2016 at 4:26 pm

      • Or reading the polls.

        “Generic republican” beats Hillary. We are trying to run the only person (not currently incarcerated) who can lose this race.

        Trump is done. He is barely running anymore (rally in Connecticut(!) so he can get home early), dark mutterings about taking a “nice long vacation”, no offices in Florida.

        Its just a question of if he drops out so the GOP can invoke article 8 or if he fades out blaming voter fraud in PA for him being down 10 points in the polls. If this was an investment he would have declared chapter 11 by now.

        Lion of the Turambar

        August 13, 2016 at 6:25 pm

      • “Generic Republican” is like looking at a Rorschach test. It’s a facile comparison completely divorced from reality.

        Also worth mentioning also that “Generic Republican” chosen by the GOPe is equally as bad for the country as Hillary Clinton. At least with the Democrats you know they’re going to go for the throat, the GOPe just backstabs the American people over and over again.

        Panther of the Blogocube

        August 13, 2016 at 9:45 pm

      • “Also worth mentioning also that “Generic Republican” chosen by the GOPe is equally as bad for the country as Hillary Clinton”

        Logically inconsistent.

        The two points that Lion makes in this post would not occur- Republicans would not be ‘demoralized’ if Pence won and Pence or generic republican would not appoint anything like Hillary’s picks (or Maryanne Trump).

        These posts are building to the conclusion that if Trump cant win, and Hillary cant be allowed to win, then Trump must bow out. Its the inescapable conclusion. The only reason not to agree with the syllogism is if you are in a personality cult.

        Lion of the Turambar

        August 14, 2016 at 10:59 am

      • 1. Trump has released a list of his top picks for the Supreme Court.

        2. Trump could win of Trucons like you and the Republican establishment were supporting him instead of sabotaging him.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 14, 2016 at 11:08 am

      • #1 isn’t relevant. Either Trump OR a regular Republican would make better scotus picks and fulfill your reason while HRC must not be allowed to win

        #2 I just intend not to vote for him.
        But Trump wont win because he hasnt opened enough field offices in the important swing states. He hasnt reserved ad time. He has no data analytics so he doesnt know where the persuadable votes are, how to appeal to them and how to GOTV.

        I didnt make him waste one of the precious remaining days of the campaign speaking in Connecticut, which he has no chance to win but can get him home in 30 minute.

        TrueCons dont make him blurt out stupid things thus preventing the media from covering a mass murder’s father endorsing Hillary and the pay for play emails on Clinton Foundation.

        In short every reason that Trump has lost (other than Evan Mcmullen) is inflicted by Trump, not Truecons.

        Whatever ethical imperative you think should compel me to vote for Trump, should also impel you to call for him to drop out in favor of Pence. Except Pence would actually win thus making the whole compromise worthwhile.

        Lion of the Turambar

        August 14, 2016 at 11:22 am

  24. I think the final days of Rome are very instructive. In the sense the final days actually were decades and even centuries.

    The crux of the decline was the plutocrat class becoming psychologically isolated from the “proles”. The Roman military provided rights to soldiers as citizens well out of line with the slave like condition of most humans at that time. As the military became diverse, the plutocrats started selling out their citizens whom they no longer needed to extract surplus.

    The Philosopher

    August 13, 2016 at 4:09 pm

    • except the final days of rome have yet to happen…sort of…

      the roman empire is alive and well.

      augustulus and the fall of constantinople notwithstanding.

      its current emperor is named francis.

      and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuIm3Pg9vlA

      Trumpocalypse Now

      August 13, 2016 at 4:53 pm

    • the fall of rome might also be an example of germany ruining europe for the ump-teenth time.

      Trumpocalypse Now

      August 13, 2016 at 5:00 pm

  25. Lion you should do a post on this really interesting article:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2016/08/13/app-maker—trump-win-election/88640044/

    App maker: Trump will win election

    Despite a majority of opinion polls showing the 2016 presidential election going to Democrat Hillary Clinton, a smartphone app developer says his data suggests challenger Donald Trump will be the victor…
    “We’re not a poll. We’re a conversation, and 100% anonymous,” Militi says. “People feel comfortable answering questions without fear of being bullied or being called a racist. People can express themselves safely, and you get a pure answer.”
    Some Zip questions:

    — ”New polls suggest Trump is getting crushed by Clinton. Do they reflect how you are going to vote?” Some 64% told Zip they would vote for Trump, compared to 36% for Clinton. In the latest Reuters/Ipsos poll, Clinton leads Trump, 42% to 36%.

    JimBonobo

    August 13, 2016 at 5:05 pm

  26. it’s billy bean vs billy beane…

    and the beans have won.

    turn on. tune in. drop out.

    let’s go!

    Trumpocalypse Now

    August 13, 2016 at 5:56 pm

  27. You guys are delusional if you buy this chicken little nonsense.

    FACT: A Hillary victory means more black crime, more Islamic terrorism and more economic decline (BITE). It isn’t me saying this, it is the Democrats themselves.

    FACT: The above all lead to increased white racism, as we saw in the 2010 and 2014 midterms (and no, those elections were not lost on the Dems low turnout, at least not mainly, they were lost because Obama had approval ratings in the low 40s when they were held. See hispandering cuckservative Sean Trende’s research on this topic.).

    FACT: The growing BITE will cause increasing tensions within the Democratic coalition itself, as white liberals see their stocks plunge and black crime drift over to their neighborhoods and as Asians and Hispanics grow increasingly impatient with blacks. We’ve seen this movie play out before in NYC and in CA in 2014.

    FACT: Even if a Gang of 8 style bill passes, which is unlikely, amnesty will not add any newly legalized voters to the rolls for at least a decade. The border hoppers kids are already citizens and they aren’t going to vote anymore than they already do.

    FACT: Whites will be no more than 1 percentage point of the electorate less in 2020 then they will be for this year’s election. They could even be a greater share of the electorate depending on how depressed the Dem base is in 2020.

    The reality is, we are in excellent shape right now whether we win or lose this year. We are probably in better shape if we lose. I agree that it is important to be realistic, but you guys are being overly pessimistic.

    Otis the Sweaty

    August 13, 2016 at 6:09 pm

    • One significant problem is that there isn’t a single non-cucked person to run in 2020.

      Renault

      August 13, 2016 at 9:46 pm

      • Ivanka?

        Curle

        August 13, 2016 at 11:16 pm

      • We need to start recruiting some charismatic, media-savy, non-cucked candidates. We’d have a *much* better chance if Trump or someone similar bought out the New York Times, which drives the news media.

        conceptdelta

        August 13, 2016 at 11:29 pm

      • It’s easier to just sue them into non-existence and then take ownership. Ala Peter Thiel and Gawker. It’s not like these libelious rags don’t constantly offer tons of defamatory red meat.

        OldTimer

        August 14, 2016 at 9:35 am

      • That was pretty cool.

        gothamette

        August 14, 2016 at 2:45 pm

    • “A Hillary victory means more black crime, more Islamic terrorism and more economic decline (BITE). It isn’t me saying this, it is the Democrats themselves.”

      Okay, let’s take that as a given. But the Globalists (DNC & RNC) control almost all of the media so this damaging information will be suppressed or twisted to blame Whites/Nationalists/etc.

      The only thing giving me a little hope now is that we might be able to use SJW tactics against them and fight against governmental laws on “forced assimilation”. [This article has some good thoughts about it: http://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=8318%5D

      conceptdelta

      August 13, 2016 at 9:54 pm

      • They’ve already lost control of the narrative. Trump isn’t losing now because the media is against him, he’s losing because he is a buffoon who is being sabotaged by his own party and because Obama remains hugely popular.

        And we do have some non cuck possibilities for 2020, it’s now much easier for a non cuck to win because Trump has exterminated the TruCons. In 2020 there is no reason that Trump cannot run again and Kurt Schilling and Greg Abbott both are excellent possibilities as well. More will pop up between now and 2020. There is a huge market for anti immigrant Republicans who are otherwise moderate now that the TruCon scum have been liquidated.

        We are in infinitely better shape now than we were 4 years ago, and in 4 years we’ll be in even better shape.

        Otis the Sweaty

        August 14, 2016 at 12:31 am

    • “FACT: Even if a Gang of 8 style bill passes, which is unlikely, amnesty will not add any newly legalized voters to the rolls for at least a decade. The border hoppers kids are already citizens and they aren’t going to vote anymore than they already do.”

      They don’t need a bill. Part of executive amnesty was only stopped by a tied Supreme Court. Once Hillary gets a judge (or 2 or 3) they can move forward with legalization of immigrants and all other parts of their program through the courts.

      “FACT: The growing BITE will cause increasing tensions within the Democratic coalition itself, as white liberals see their stocks plunge and black crime drift over to their neighborhoods and as Asians and Hispanics grow increasingly impatient with blacks. We’ve seen this movie play out before in NYC and in CA in 2014.”

      Doesn’t matter. There is still going to be a mostly non-white party and a mostly white party and non-whites will vote together.

      Winston

      August 14, 2016 at 10:14 am

  28. They maintained dominance in Congress, they blocked Obama from granting statutory amnesty to illegal aliens, not much changed in four years.

    There was still massive legal immigration for 4 years, and most immigrants vote for Democrats. And more anchor babies turned 18 and became eligible to vote.

    Every year that continues, it becomes harder for Republicans to win the White House.

    The idea some #NeverTrump fools have that Rubio, who lost 99 out of 100 counties in his home state, would do better against Hillary is daft.

    David Pinsen

    August 13, 2016 at 6:37 pm

    • It’s obvious that any traditional Republican candidate who tried to face the kind of scrutiny that Trump is getting would crawl into a fetal position and apologize for being born.

      Granted, there probably wouldn’t be that much scrutiny on them, because a traditional Republican candidate is just ‘Globalist-lite’ brand politician. They win whether D or R holds office … Unless there’s a black swan event like Trump.

      Panther of the Blogocube

      August 13, 2016 at 9:51 pm

  29. This article had some interesting alt right ideas that we might try applying: https://dissidentright.com/2016/08/11/right-wing-intersectionality/

    conceptdelta

    August 13, 2016 at 6:45 pm

  30. The thing is, the white population of the US is truly diverse, spread out among many states in a huge continent, and the various minority populations (Black, Asian, Hispanic, and yes, Jewish, gay, etc.) are united as one. The majority can’t win against these united groups.

    I’ve often wondered why it’s so different in Israel. Jews there also have major differences. But they are basically united against a common foe. Also Israel is so tiny. And strangely, the Israeli elite cares a little about the Israeli prole.

    Another Islamic knife train attack, this one with flammable liquids. A 6 year old was injured. Nothing to see here, move along.

    gothamette

    August 13, 2016 at 7:09 pm

    • Israel was weeks away from civil war in 2006 when moron Nasrallah had those 2 Israeli soldiers kidnapped, causing the Lebanon war and ending the Israeli govt’s plan to forcibly expel 60,000 Jews in Judea and Samaria from their homes.

      Threats from Iran and continuous attacks from Gaza forced Israel’s Jews to band together because the alternative was their physical destruction, but there is no love lost between the groups in Israel. Plans to force ultra orthodox Jews into the military were abruptly canceled when it was realized that civil war would be the result and the government achieved peace with the settlers likewise by surrendering to them and allowing them to continue to build new homes.

      Basically the Jews in Israel function together because of Arab terror and the superior demographic strength of the anti-Left camp in Israel is so massive in comparison to that of the left wing bloc that the Israeli Left has chosen to just meekly surrender.

      Contrary to the hysteria you will see on places like this very blog, white Americans are not being threatened with physical annihilation. And in America, the demographic forces are on the Left’s side (although not nearly as much as the Left and the people on this blog believe) so in the US, it is the Left, not the right, that has the in built advantages.

      Otis the Sweaty

      August 13, 2016 at 8:24 pm

      • Slightly OT, but the alt-right goons always lick their chops about how Israel’s ass got kicked in Lebanon. It’s 10 years on, and Israel seems to be doing fine. Mr. Average Israeli didn’t want to hunt guerrillas in the mountains. They didn’t cover themselves in glory, but that’s not the same thing as losing a war.

        I loathe the alt-right as much as I loathe liberals. It just depends on who I happen to be thinking of.

        gothamette

        August 14, 2016 at 11:33 am

      • Slightly OT, but the alt-right goons always lick their chops about how Israel’s ass got kicked in Lebanon.

        The alt-right is politically irrelevant.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        August 14, 2016 at 11:42 am

      • Nasrallah had those 2 Israeli soldiers kidnapped, causing the Lebanon war and ending the Israeli govt’s plan to forcibly expel 60,000 Jews in Judea and Samaria from their homes.

        If America adopted Israel’s, supposedly, ”right-wing” border policies, doesn’t that mean we would have already ceded the Southwest territories captured during the Mexican American war back to Mexico?

        The Undiscovered Jew

        August 14, 2016 at 11:53 am

      • Slightly OT, but the alt-right goons always lick their chops about how Israel’s ass got kicked in Lebanon.

        Israel walked into a stupid trap there. Hezbollah wanted them to invade. The smart thing to do next time Hezbollah launches rockets at Israel would be to drop leaflets over Beirut saying that if Lebanon doesn’t rein in Hezbollah’s rocketeers in 24 hours, Beirut will be flattened. And if they don’t, bomb the crap out of Beirut.

        David Pinsen

        August 14, 2016 at 6:51 pm

      • @Dave,
        You don’t seem to remember: they did bomb the crap out of Beirut.

        gothamette

        August 14, 2016 at 8:33 pm

      • “You don’t seem to remember: they did bomb the crap out of Beirut.”

        I remember. My point is they should have just done that. Invading southern Lebanon was walking into a trap, where well-armed and dug in guerrillas destroyed 100 Israeli tanks.

        David Pinsen

        August 15, 2016 at 5:11 am

    • Paul Gottfried always distinguishes Eastern European Jews from German Jews when discussing political alignment. He says German Jews in America align to the Right. I gather UK Jews are known for aligning with the Tories. Thus raising the question why the Leftist alignment by American Jews of Eastern European descent? The Czar’s been dead for awhile. Is it still based on a fear of prole Gentiles?

      Curle

      August 13, 2016 at 11:09 pm

      • Eastern European Jews were poorer, and the poor are drawn to socialism because it promises a raise in living standards for them.

        German Jews were generally prosperous businessmen.

        David Pinsen

        August 14, 2016 at 1:08 am

      • @Curle,
        May I suggest two books? One is Colin Woodard’s magisterial American Nations. His description of Yankeedom and its intellectual domination of America is unparalleled. The second is less well known. It is by Hillel Halkin, Letters to an American Jewish Friend: A Zionist’s Polemic. I think it’s back in print. You don’t have to be a Zionist to learn from it. The book is simply the best short history of Jews in the modern world that I have ever read anywhere, far superior to the overrated book that Steve Sailer is always shilling (I think it’s called The Jewish Century).

        Briefly, when Jews assimilated, i.e., lost their religion and their culture, they took on the dominant attitudes of the prestige group in their society. In UK, it was Toryism. In Germany, science and Junkerism. Yes, there were Jews in the Prussian Army, despite fierce discrimiantion:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meno_Burg

        In the US, assimilation to the top strata means adopting radical Protestant Yankee Puritanism, which does NOT mean being right wing, that is a total misunderstanding of Puritanism. Judaism is a highly conservative, rigid, patriarchal religion. Assimilated Jews aren’t Jews, they are Americans of Jewish origin. Stop with the Saileresque/Rothian garbage about fear of Gentiles, and obsession with country clubs, OK? That is so 1950s. 50% of Jews who bother to get married, marry non-Jews. We are friends with Gentiles, we are Berniebros, and so on. We are assimilated Americans, get over it.

        What the Sailerbots can’t see is that what they hate about Jews, they hate about Yankee Puritan America. But that’s a bridge too far, so it’s blame the Jews. It won’t work. Most people see them for what they are and run in the other direction.

        Milwaukee is burning.

        gothamette

        August 14, 2016 at 11:16 am

      • Thus raising the question why the Leftist alignment by American Jews of Eastern European descent?

        As someone such as yourself who gets easily confused, you can stop taxing what already limited brain power you have trying to ‘understand’ Jewish politics by Jewish their politics and motivations are more or less the same as elite gentiles, and for largely the same reasons.

        Jewish politics tracks changes in the political preferences of WASP elites. German Jews were Republican because they arrived when the WASP elite of the late 19th and early 20th centuries was conservative at the time, and that WASP elite would not abandon conservatism until after WWII.

        The Eastern European Jews, along with all other elite Great Wave-descended ethnic whites such as the Kennedy’s and Cuomos, were assimilated into the radical* leftist WASP Progressivism of the New Deal after FDR’s progressives displaced the old conservative tendencies of the Northeast. Initially, immigrant ethnic whites voted for the New Deal for largely economic reasons, but to get into the elite after the 1960s they had to adopt all facets of Progressivism.

        Instead of acting as ethnic outsiders, Jews along with other elite ethnic whites, are acting as assimilated insiders. The problem with this is that higher class gentiles haver never had worse politics to imitate.

        He says German Jews in America align to the Right. I gather UK Jews are known for aligning with the Tories.

        Which raises the question of why the UK still turned into a multicultural sinkhole when their liberal elites are still largely gentile British and when their Jews tend conservative.

        The answer, which you don’t want to admit, is that elite gentiles adopt liberalism with or without Jewish influence.

        * Upton Sinclair’s Letter
        Published, April, 1938

        http://archive.org/stream/UptonSinclairOnTheSovietUnion/Upton-on-sovietUnion_djvu.txt

        It is also true that I have been studying the problem of Russia as earnestly as I know how for twenty years. There have been few days during that period that I have not sought some new facts and pondered them. I have had many a heartache over the things which have happened in Russia— so different from what I hoped for. I watched Gorky all through this period, and I know how he suffered and how more than once he wavered. But in the end he made up his mind that the Soviet regime was the best hope for the workers of Russia, and that is my conclusion today.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        August 14, 2016 at 11:41 am

      • Briefly, when Jews assimilated, i.e., lost their religion and their culture, they took on the dominant attitudes of the prestige group in their society.

        Reform Judaism was created by German Jews as a way to ‘Luteranize’ the Jewish religion into German culture. Reform has no theological justification in Jewish religious law and would have been considered blasphemous by about every rabbinical authority prior to the 19th century.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        August 14, 2016 at 11:45 am

      • Gothomette, thanks will check those out.

        Curle

        August 14, 2016 at 12:12 pm

      • “The Eastern European Jews, along with all other elite Great Wave-descended ethnic whites such as the Kennedy’s and Cuomos, were assimilated into the radical* leftist WASP Progressivism of the New Deal after FDR’s progressives displaced the old conservative tendencies of the Northeast.”

        WASP Progressivism has a much older pedigree than the New Deal (although I realize you weren’t saying that WASP Progressivism was created by the New Deal de novo). See Woodard’s book for explanation. 19th Century utopians such as Thoreau, Stowe, etc., wrote the book long before the 20th century.

        “Reform Judaism was created by German Jews as a way to ‘Luteranize’ the Jewish religion into German culture. ”

        Yeah, I know that. But that’s not really relevant to the vast majority of Russian descended Ashkenazi Jews. The Russian Ashkenazim became “Reform” through the same modernizing process, and they moved into the shells that the Germans had created but they would have created them on their own even w/out the German predecessors. What does a guy do who wants to belong to the dominant culture, but wants to be loyal to the home team? “Is a puzzlement.” This has happened to many other peoples as well.

        I’m really directing this to Curle: the point here is to explain the specifically Jewish aspect of so-called liberalism, cultural Marxism, rad-feminism. etc. What all these movements have in common are people with shriveled identities. Is it a mystery that they then focused on identity politics? The weird thing about all this is that the true identity that many of them have, which is their class identity, is something they won’t admit to. Remember Hillary’s speech where she said, “how will breaking up the banks advance the rights of LGBTs?”

        That’s a good question. I wish we could turn it around and say, “What do LGBT rights have to do with job losses due to ‘free trade’ and a country overwhelmed with illegal immigration?”

        gothamette

        August 14, 2016 at 1:01 pm

      • UJ, what’s with the first paragraph of your otherwise authoritative response? (Look how politely Gothamette’s own mistressly [feminine form of “masterful”] response is received — all because her pseudonym ends in “ette”!) And when’s your blog coming out? I’m getting impatient.

        Garr

        August 14, 2016 at 1:37 pm

      • WASP Progressivism has a much older pedigree than the New Deal (although I realize you weren’t saying that WASP Progressivism was created by the New Deal de novo). See Woodard’s book for explanation. 19th Century utopians such as Thoreau, Stowe, etc., wrote the book long before the 20th century.

        The New Deal, and it’s followup, LBJ’s Great Society (which was pushed through by an elite that was largely composed of veterans of the FDR and, in some cases, Wilson administrations) were the fulfillment of the late 19th century progressive movement. In Britain, their equivalent of American Communist-sympathizing Progressives, the Fabian Socialists, implemented their version of our New Deal once they were sure Hitler was headed for defeat and it was safe to defeat Churchill. The origins of the Fabians movement also trace to the 19th century and like the progressives they did not become the establishment until the post-WWII era.

        What does a guy do who wants to belong to the dominant culture, but wants to be loyal to the home team? “Is a puzzlement.” This has happened to many other peoples as well.

        They talk up their ethnicity because they suspect, somewhere in their deep subconscious, know they’ve abandoned their old identity in practice. And not only Jews, but all elite ethnic whites. Ted Kennedy and Pelosi always brought up their being Irish and Italian while they’ve done nothing but advance policies that harm their co-ethnics.

        But it’s a thin veneer – in reality they like the Jews are now fully assimilated into the Anglo-leftist tradition.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        August 14, 2016 at 4:23 pm

      • UJ, what’s with the first paragraph of your otherwise authoritative response?

        He’s giving a great deal of lectures about what Jews are supposed to do, but rarely bringing up what gentiles should do.

        The European Union was substantially built by Frenchmen: In the 1980s Jacques Delors chaired the Delors commission which established many of the financial precursors needed to launch the euro in 1999; the constitution of the European Union was written by a former French president, D’Estaing; the first chairman of the European Central Bank was Jean Claude Trichet.

        All of them were anti-national globalists who boasted how their EU would bring about ‘post-democracy’ and ‘supra-nationalism’ that would suppress nationalist sentiments, especially German nationalism. The French have described the French-German relationship in the EU as a French jockey riding a German racehorse.

        But I see precious little discussion about what elite French are doing, just elite Jews.

        And when’s your blog coming out? I’m getting impatient.

        And you should be.

        I’m a year overdue from launching it. The delays have been due to this becoming a very large project, with twists I was not expecting and which added to the requirements needed to get it done right, and my trying to balance it with work.

        I think I will post a link to the blog site later next week or early the week after. I will include instructions for comment registration and some other announcements. I’ll wait 10 or 14 days before releasing the first two weeks worth of articles. I want to leave people enough time to register to comment since I will be delivering a good deal of material in the first two weeks of real blogging.

        When I do publish the articles, you will be able to see why it took so long to organize this material.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        August 14, 2016 at 4:37 pm

      • “As someone such as yourself who gets easily confused, you can stop taxing what already limited brain power you have trying to ‘understand’ Jewish politics by Jewish their politics and motivations are more or less the same as elite gentiles, and for largely the same reasons.”

        That’s really nice. I read – or used to read – several alt-right websites where you comment, and you are nowhere near as unpleasant to the various shits and goons at those websites. Nor have I ever seen you call them on their shit-stinking Jew-hatred.

        gothamette

        August 14, 2016 at 8:36 pm

      • gathamette alluded to it.

        those who are motivated almost exclusively by status are more likely to achieve it.

        that worldview which makes trump hateful to some high status americans is not really a worldview at all.

        because the way their minds work, the truth or falsity of a belief is irrelevant. all that recommends a belief to these people is how congruent it is with achieving and maintaining status.

        people believe things for many reasons, and so far as their beliefs have any truth value, that truth value is only one among many reasons to believe or disbelieve.

        Trumpocalypse Now

        August 14, 2016 at 10:37 pm

    • you can see in this article that the Israeli Left does in fact use the same language as the American Left, even in contexts where it makes absolutely no sense to do so. It’s as if the Left wing brain is simply programmed to spit out the same cliches in any ideology it finds threatening.

      http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/196516/jewish-isis-in-the-west-bank

      Otis the Sweaty

      August 14, 2016 at 2:30 am

      • Yes, but Israel has some natural defenses against these sickos. The US doesn’t. The entire intellectual apparatus is left, it’s radicalized, feminized, and as the late great Larry Auster used to say, homosexualized.

        gothamette

        August 14, 2016 at 11:18 am

    • “The alt-right is politically irrelevant.”

      You’ve said this many times, as if it’s some kind of defense of their rotten attitudes and ideas. Besides which, who brags about their own ineffectuality and unimportance?

      gothamette

      August 14, 2016 at 3:31 pm

      • The alt-right is the only relevant group on the right. Mainstream conservatives are gutless and have caved into the Left on every single issue.

        The only solution, as Lion pointed out, is for the alt right to gain control over the media.

        The New York Times drives the rest of the news stories throughout the world. Some of the richer people from the Alt Right need to take it over and at least turn off the toxic political correctness streaming through our society.

        So are there any billionaires out there who want to save Western Civilization?

        conceptdelta

        August 14, 2016 at 9:20 pm

      • “The alt-right is the only relevant group on the right. Mainstream conservatives are gutless and have caved into the Left on every single issue.”

        Grain of truth here, except for the word ‘relevant’ – I think you mean, ‘effectual’??

        This is exactly why I keep harping on the anti-Semitism of the alt right (apart from the fact that it is a fact), because Conservatism is essentially dead, and because the alt-right is vibrant and alive, and intellectually vigorous. I may hate them, but I respect their intellectual vigor. They punch well above their weight. When they speak the truth, I’ll acknowledge that. When they lie and retweet Nazi memes, I’ll point that out.

        For some reason, TUJ hates me for pointing that out. And his characteristic response is a complete lie: they have no effect, they are not important. They punch well above their weight, and the will be the dominant force in White America in 25 years.

        “So are there any billionaires out there who want to save Western Civilization?”

        LOL. Quick answer: No. And don’t say Peter Thiel. This guy is bonkers. He’s latched onto Trump but his main concerns are transhumanism, the singularity, and setting up a gay libertarian paradise on some island.

        gothamette

        August 15, 2016 at 9:52 am

  31. While I too would curtail immigration and make America white again, there are some considerations that suggest that the issue will fade somewhat in the years to come.

    First off, fertility rates in Latin American countries (especially Mexico) have fallen off a cliff. There will be far fewer Mexicans and Central Americans around to make the trip in the future.

    And second, word eventually gets back home that America is turning into a huge shithole and that prospective Latino immigrants would be better off staying home and not taking the risk.

    sestamibi

    August 13, 2016 at 8:23 pm

  32. About 10 years ago, Robert X. Cringley, PBS goon, did some checking with a friend at a Credit Bureau. What he wanted to know was how many SS numbers are being used by more than one person. That happens when an illegal gets a SS number and uses that to get and keep a job. The Credit Bureaus keep track of this for obvious reasons. 17 million is what he was told. That doesn’t include the kids and adults not working, so you could easily double or triple that number. He said he got a call from the US government about the details; they probably don’t have a clue as to track that number, being public employees and all.

    Dee

    August 13, 2016 at 10:45 pm

  33. What a blog.

    TheIranianOne

    August 14, 2016 at 1:53 am

  34. Trump will, at best, only slow the decline. One thing that must be understood is that the elite white / people of color coalition will increasingly use political violence to get their way. The BLM movement is a clear enough indication of what’s coming … violent attacks on whites when the coalition doesn’t achieve its ends.
    The elite have been laying the rhetorical groundwork for this for decades and it has now matured to the point that most whites will go along with it.

    CantStumpTheTrump

    August 14, 2016 at 2:41 pm

  35. Lion, what do you think of Milwaukee? Live Leak has white people being dragged from their cars and beaten. Think Obama will address this race hate? How much more racial healing can we take?

    gothamette

    August 14, 2016 at 3:32 pm

    • “Live Leak has white people being dragged from their cars and beaten”

      Which is exactly what we want. We need more of this and we are going to get it.

      Otis the Sweaty

      August 14, 2016 at 7:53 pm

      • Otis, sweetie – if it’s not covered by the NY Times it didn’t happen. The American public is pretty brain dead anyway. Only a true shock to the system will wake it up.

        gothamette

        August 15, 2016 at 9:54 am

    • Scary, but good to see the Drudge and Brietbart were covering it.

      VIDEO: ‘BLACK LIVES MATTER’ RIOTERS TARGET WHITES FOR BEAT DOWNS
      “They beating up all the white people” http://www.infowars.com/video-black-lives-matter-rioters-target-whites-for-beat-downs/

      conceptdelta

      August 14, 2016 at 9:23 pm

  36. if trump loses i will never vote gop again….i will vote dem and hope it gets worse….the worse it gets, the better for us white males, believe it or not…keeping the gop in some power only prolongs things…we need to redpill a bunch of white people, and the sooner the better…the gop is not going to really oppose the Dems and their rich/big business backers, not on immigration or anything that really matters….

    the gop sold us out long ago…so let’s just vote dem and let them get really arrogant and let them continue to overplay their hand…the worse they get, the more whites will be redpilled…

    RS

    August 15, 2016 at 6:03 am

    • I agree, if the GOP doesn’t come around on Immigration then there is no point in ever voting for them again.

      conceptdelta

      August 15, 2016 at 2:13 pm

    • After two terms of Hillary Clinton, it doesn’t matter how “redpill” people get. The blue pills will outvote the red at every turn.

      Mike Street Station

      August 15, 2016 at 2:49 pm

      • I doubt Hillary will last two terms – but aren’t you really saying that the game is over now?

        gothamette

        August 15, 2016 at 4:12 pm

      • “– but aren’t you really saying that the game is over now?”

        Well essentially yes, but I was responding to what RS had written. I don’t think it matters how many people are red pilled in the future. That might have mattered at one time but I suspect we’re past that window of opportunity.

        Mike Street Station

        August 15, 2016 at 6:17 pm

      • “Well essentially yes, but I was responding to what RS had written. I don’t think it matters how many people are red pilled in the future. That might have mattered at one time but I suspect we’re past that window of opportunity.”

        This thread is already 3 days old, and in blog post years that might as well be 100, but FWIW, I think the game is over. We really don’t have a country left. I think it’s beyond what Auster said: “it’s their country now.” The thing is, there’s no country.

        Look at the non-reaction to Obama fiddling, er, golfing, while Louisiana drowns. Nothing. Look at the non-reaction to Omar Mateen’s father sitting behind Hillary at a rally. Nothing. Liberal media? Nah. Don’t blame it on that. The Republic is dead.

        gothamette

        August 18, 2016 at 1:34 pm

      • “This thread is already 3 days old, and in blog post years that might as well be 100, but FWIW, I think the game is over. We really don’t have a country left. I think it’s beyond what Auster said: “it’s their country now.” The thing is, there’s no country.

        Look at the non-reaction to Obama fiddling, er, golfing, while Louisiana drowns. Nothing. Look at the non-reaction to Omar Mateen’s father sitting behind Hillary at a rally. Nothing. Liberal media? Nah. Don’t blame it on that. The Republic is dead.”

        It may be their country now, but I do in fact blame the media for making that possible long before demographics make it reality. Editing is a job for news media, and they edit the news to favor the left. People were outraged about Bush and Katrina because the media told them to be. If the media was freaking out about Obama dissing Louisiana, the country would be freaking out. Today, the Obama administration admitted that yes, it was trading cash for hostages, after lying about it for weeks. Republican President and it’s the biggest scandal of the 21st Century and there would be calls for the President’s impeachment. Everything that the left has done to ruin this country is because the media covered for them for decades.

        Mike Street Station

        August 18, 2016 at 8:38 pm

      • Mike, we disagree here. We are not living in the Warsaw ghetto, or the USSR in 1970. This alt-right view of the poor oppressed American public is crazy wrong.

        There was a French director who said, “the audience meets us halfway, and we meet the audience halfway.” I think that’s true of the media. Totally agree that the media are trying to whip up hysteria against Trump, but they are failing. There is a sense that Trump is f’ing up, and they reflect that, perhaps too enthusiastically, but that’s all they are doing.

        I don’t sense that the white population cares all that much about Louisiana. Do you remember the Duck Dynasty controversy? I honestly thought they were finished. I thought that Amazon would drop their products – even the duck calls, not just the products associated w/the show, and that evil liberal capitalism would crush these Louisiana businessmen.

        That didn’t happen. Cracker Barrel dropped Phil Robertson and in response to UPROAR, they caved overnight. The Duck Dynasty guys have loyal, passionate fans, and they roared. About a year after the Duck Dynasty business, I saw a huge display table at a Manhattan Barnes & Noble full of Duck Dynasty books, and no one vandalized it, or said a word. (That may be different now.)

        The message is that when white Americans care about something, they prevail. They are not an oppressed majority. They are a divided majority. That’s not the media’s fault, that’s simply reality.

        gothamette

        August 19, 2016 at 9:31 am

      • Mike, we disagree here. We are not living in the Warsaw ghetto, or the USSR in 1970. This alt-right view of the poor oppressed American public is crazy wrong.

        There was a French director who said, “the audience meets us halfway, and we meet the audience halfway.” I think that’s true of the media. Totally agree that the media are trying to whip up hysteria against Trump, but they are failing. There is a sense that Trump is f’ing up, and they reflect that, perhaps too enthusiastically, but that’s all they are doing.

        I don’t sense that the white population cares all that much about Louisiana. Do you remember the Duck Dynasty controversy? I honestly thought they were finished. I thought that Amazon would drop their products – even the duck calls, not just the products associated w/the show, and that evil liberal capitalism would crush these Louisiana businessmen.

        That didn’t happen. Cracker Barrel dropped Phil Robertson and in response to UPROAR, they caved overnight. The Duck Dynasty guys have loyal, passionate fans, and they roared. About a year after the Duck Dynasty business, I saw a huge display table at a Manhattan Barnes & Noble full of Duck Dynasty books, and no one vandalized it, or said a word. (That may be different now.)

        The message is that when white Americans care about something, they prevail. They are not an oppressed majority. They are a divided majority. That’s not the media’s fault, that’s simply reality.

        I don’t think it’s really about the white population, but more about the right leaning population, since many whites are definitely on the leftward end of the spectrum. And much of the politically aware or religious population has already dropped out of taking the media seriously. Phil Robertson can survive a media hatefest against him since most of his fans don’t care or believe what the media says. A regular mainstream entertainer would have a much more difficult time. But we’re talking about maybe 30% of the population? Everyone else is plugged into the Matrix and lapping it up.

        Mike Street Station

        August 19, 2016 at 11:06 am

  37. Here are the Republican Presidential Election losers of my lifetime: !960 Nixon, 1964 Goldwater, 1976 Ford, 1992 Bush, 1996 Dole, 2008 McCain, 2012 Romney. All were effectively pro-choice either in their Supreme Court picks (Nixon, 1992 Bush) or in their rhetoric (the other 5 losers). See a pattern? God does not reward those who do not have the courage to protect the innocent. Trump is a smart young man (he was an adolescent until he was in his 50s) and understands that pattern.

    howitzer daniel

    August 16, 2016 at 8:53 pm

    • Every Democrat who won was pro-choice. All the Republicans since Reagan have agreed with the pro-life platform. Being more crazy about it would NOT have changed the election outcomes. Romney lost because working class whites didn’t like him. McCain lost because pro-life Bush did a crappy job as president, ending with a financial crisis right before the election, and the voters wanted to throw Republicans out of the White House.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 16, 2016 at 9:19 pm

      • All the Democrats who won (from 1960 to now) had unlikeable wives! That is one thing all the best historians will remember. Anyway, Trump seems to have a likeable wife and he is either pro-life or almost pro-life. I wish him the best! Romney lost because of Chris Christie’s wimpy romance novel moment with Obama and because of his (Romney’s) rich-dude inability to distinguish talented advisors from untalented advisors – if he was not a rich child and then a rich adult he would have had more real-life experience and more insight into his fellow political players, and would have known what he needed to do to make the essential working class whites like him (it would have been fairly easy if he were not relatively clueless in that rich grandpa way of his). McCain was a war hero and the only war heroes who win in politics are the ones who are lucky – he has never been a lucky guy (but his wife is a much nicer wife than any recent Democrat President’s wife, so there is that). 2000 Bush was a good president until he got bored with the job about 24 months in; unlike his incompetent Dad, he was not rolled by the Harvard liberal poseurs with his Supreme Court picks (well, not as much as his incompetent Dad, anyway). Dole and Ford and Nixon are an earlier generation than me and I just don’t understand why they made so many mistakes – maybe they just thought it was not sporting to try hard to do the right thing.

        howitzer daniel

        August 16, 2016 at 9:53 pm

    • Want to keep losing elections? Then keep claiming that your particular religion forbids something and you want to impose it on the rest of the population. Republicans are supposed to be for freedom, but on this issue they want the *government* to LIMIT the freedoms of individuals.

      If you think abortion is a moral issue then change the culture through the media, not the government, and stop losing elections for Republicans by making it hard or impossible for normal independents to vote for Republicans.

      conceptdelta

      August 17, 2016 at 11:23 am

      • “Natural law” is not a religion!!! Many educated atheists believe in natural law. Please don’t be confused on this point: a non-theocratic society that is confused on this point cannot long prosper. And the United States is, for the moment, a non-theocratic society. So those who wish it well can only want people to understand that whoever violates natural law and persecutes the innocent cannot long prosper; Reagan and Bush Junior understood this – Reagan’s mistake in appointing the egregious Kennedy and the slippery O’Connor was due to his low IQ, not to any rejection of natural law. Bush Junior had a higher IQ than Reagan, although not by much, and his appointments were, overall, much better – a good example of improvements in America’s luck from the 1980s to the 2000s. Anyway, Trump is more like Bush in this sense than Reagan and that is a good thing.

        howitzer daniel

        August 17, 2016 at 9:00 pm


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