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Any illegal immigrant can be deported

Trump’s speech in Arizona doesn’t sound like he’s suddenly gone soft on illegal immigrants.

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Yes, Trump has assured us that he has most definitely NOT pivoted on immigration. Ann Coulter liked the speech quite a bit.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

August 31, 2016 at 10:10 PM

Posted in Immigration, Politics

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  1. “can” ?

    james n.s.w

    August 31, 2016 at 10:12 PM

    • Trump has assured us that he has most definitely NOT pivoted on immigration.

      Two words: Jeff Sessions.

      EVERYTHING a President Trump would do on immigration will be guided by Jeff Sessions.



      September 1, 2016 at 7:00 AM

      • Or maybe he just sounds like Jeff Sessions because he just traveled with him to mexico and back and in a week he’ll just sound like whoever he’s hanging around with then.


        September 1, 2016 at 6:39 PM

  2. I think I’m having a Trumpgasm! This speech is great!

    (so far…waiting for the “but”)

    Mike Street Station

    August 31, 2016 at 10:20 PM

  3. This is a watershed speech. TRUMP is back!

    Sagi Is My Guru

    August 31, 2016 at 10:25 PM

  4. I agree with the policy and the way the Left is losing its mind tells me that this speech will be effective, but I don’t really think it’s productive to focus on the otherwise law abiding illegals.

    Secure the borders, stop the inflows, deport the criminals and freeze legal immigration. After that I think we should work something out for the Dreamers and then after a period of 10 years we can consider legalization for any of the illegals we haven’t liquidated.

    Otis the Sweaty

    August 31, 2016 at 10:33 PM

    • We tried that in 1986 and in every way, it was a failure. If we do another amnesty, it will never end. There will be no immigration law at all.

      Mike Street Station

      August 31, 2016 at 10:47 PM

    • Ii wouldn’t legalize any of them.

      He also mentioned e-verify, which will help get rid of them

      He mentioned the employers getting rich off of the immigration system. I can’t remember if he mentioned going after employers.


      August 31, 2016 at 11:16 PM

    • Absolutely not. Nothing is going to be “worked out” with these “dreamers.”

      Let’s understand something: the otherwise “law-abiding” illegal still has his relationship with the United States built on several layers of frauds and felonies. There is the initial crime of being here illegally. There is the crime of using a stolen social security number to work. There is the crime of delivering “anchor babies” that go on welfare and steal from American’s to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars in care. And there is whatever other crimes he is committing that are not getting registered.

      Do you not understand that whatever “work” these people do does not earn them enough money to actually live here? Do you not get that the government is subsidizing their stay, effectively paying for their healthcare, housing, food, and education? That is not a worker or citizen. That is a government-subsidized teenager with Uncle Sugar as the parent.

      I want these parasites removed.


      September 1, 2016 at 12:22 AM

      • Mates, after all the time I’d spend explaining things to you, you still don’t get it? Don’t look at immigration in a formalistic legal way. The only question we need to ask- is this immigrant good for the country? If yes, he is a good immigrant. That’s it. So the good illegals, that fit into American culture and way of life should stay. I mean, why would you deport any Europeans that are here illegally? Say, America had 10 million illegal Europeans, you would deport them? No way! You wish they would be here right?

        Coming to think of it, maybe there are so few illegal Europeans now, that Trump should just deport everyone? It’s not worth going through this mess with a fine toothed comb. Right?

        Thinking of it again, I met a very nice Albanian yesterday. There is a lot of mafia among them, but this guy is educated and smart and in excellent physical shape, I would keep him.

        The one that realy needs to be deported is JS. He is been lurking lately, must be up to no good.


        September 2, 2016 at 7:30 AM

      • Yakov,

        All of those good immigrants are badly needed in their own countries to help build their nations and make them better places.

        There is very little these immigrants are contributing to America and Americans, outside of some narrowly privatized profits.


        September 5, 2016 at 1:43 PM

    • Even if all of the illegals (including anchor babies) are kicked out we are still going to have a huge problem coping with the millions of foreigners who are here legally and the millions more who will come (Puerto Ricans escaping Zika). Factor in differential fertility rates and you end up with the US turning into Mexico as a best case scenario. That’s if we kick them all out. Your plan would result in a complete collapse of the US and indeed the New World. Without a wealthy US to mooch off of Latin America is going to get much poorer.


      September 1, 2016 at 12:49 AM

      • That’s all nonsense. The one’s that are here legally can be made to go back home when their visas and work permits expire. The legals can go back home to with their illegal relatives to wherever they were sending their remittances.

        Latin America will get poorer. So what? It was never rich to begin with. Simply assure the ruling classes will get enough weaponry and intelligence to police their populations and the problem will take care of itself.

        After all, why did you think Trump went to Mexico?


        September 1, 2016 at 11:06 PM

  5. Multiple people on DKos saying that the speech caused them to break down in tears. This is usually a good sign.

    Otis the Sweaty

    August 31, 2016 at 10:37 PM

    • Is there anything sweeter than liberal tears? I think not!

      Two in the Bush

      August 31, 2016 at 10:51 PM

      • Is there anything sweeter than liberal tears?



        September 1, 2016 at 6:58 AM

    • “Multiple people on DKos saying that the speech caused them to break down in tears.”

      It would be far more preferable if the speech caused multiple people to commit hari kari.

      Lewis Medlock

      September 1, 2016 at 10:29 AM

  6. That speech was f**king awesome.

    Andrew E.

    August 31, 2016 at 10:48 PM

  7. It was a good speech, though it’s worth noting that there is indeed a pivot happening here.

    Trump is going tough on illegal criminals, and is calling for “America first” reforms to legal immigration. But in exchange, he is surrendering the “deportation force” stuff, and saying non-criminal illegals are basically his last priority. Even though he said it in this thunderous, dramatic way, going on about how “ONLY AFTER” we secure the border yadda yadda will the individual circumstances of non-criminal illegals be considered, what he is basically calling for is a sort of soft amnesty by low priority. Or at least perpetuating the status quo, which is that we basically turn a blind eye to the vast majority of illegals.

    I’m cool with that trade off, personally. I’d trade a sort of amnesty for non-criminal illegals for overdue commonsense reforms to our legal immigration regime.


    August 31, 2016 at 11:00 PM

    • The “deportation force,” like the “register Muslims” thing, was never Trump’s to begin with. It was reporters planting phrases in questions in order to generate news.

      Mike Street Station

      September 1, 2016 at 5:57 AM

      • Exactly right. The media has been in a fake, manufactured hysteria for 9 months thinking that Trump was actually going to send a literal SWAT team deportation force door-to-door across the country to forcibly remove all illegals in a matter of months. That was never ever the case. All of Trump’s statements on the subject taken in total over the course of the election cycle, with the possible exception of a few unfortunate phrases last week, added up to pretty much what Trump said last night.

        What was new last night was a welcome increase in specificity to his vision combined with a new focus on legal immigration levels. The only box he didn’t check was birthright citizenship but that will come in time. And the anchor baby law may require an honest SCOTUS and Trump has that angle covered.

        Andrew E.

        September 1, 2016 at 10:26 AM

    • Trump is at least persuadable by a good argument. He hires people like Stephen Miller who probably read sites like the Lion’s. Any good arguments we make will be lost on a Democrat. If Trump gets elected, the door is still open to discussion.


      September 1, 2016 at 8:46 AM

  8. Capital!


    August 31, 2016 at 11:30 PM

  9. A lot of white people criticizing the speech on the grounds that their father or grandfather came over and didn’t have any skills or couldn’t speak the language, so how I can we now have standards for immigrants.

    These people are insane.

    I would pretty much slow immigration to a trickle. There probably be some exceptions for marriage and such. There will be no family reunification.


    August 31, 2016 at 11:37 PM

  10. 6 comments so far that I have counted on DKos saying that they cried in reaction to tonight’s speech

    Otis the Sweaty

    August 31, 2016 at 11:47 PM

    • Beautiful


      September 1, 2016 at 8:21 AM

  11. Actually there was a slight pivot; it was very nuanced. He essentially said secure the border, deport the criminals and welfare bums, then reform the immigration laws to decide how many immigrants we will accept, then deport everyone else and force everyone to get in the same line as law-abiding people. I suspect most will make it back in, but those with little to offer will not, and that’s a good thing.


    September 1, 2016 at 12:01 AM

  12. Nothing on anchor babies or reinterpreting the anchor-baby clause in the Constitution.

    Mark Caplan

    September 1, 2016 at 6:17 AM

  13. My biggest question continues to be if Trump can memorize all this in time for the debate, or if he’ll just make up nonsense on the fly at the first second Hillary accuses his immigration plan of being mean.


    September 1, 2016 at 6:52 AM

    • I’d be more worried about the debates, which Trump still hasn’t demonstrated is a strength of his, if it weren’t for the final Republican debate where Trump made a concerted effort to ignore attacks and stick to the issues. And he dominated.

      If he can do that while continuing prep with facts and knowledge he will blow away expectations and coast to victory. I hear he’s prepping with assistance from Laura Ingraham. If true, that’s very good news.

      Andrew E.

      September 1, 2016 at 10:53 AM

      • I guess you arent referring to the final scheduled debate that Trump ran away from.

        The Coral Gables debate was not good for Trump with his pledge to target terrorists families and his horrible answer on budget saving rescuing social security. Trump was wildly seen to have finished 3rd or 4th in this debate.

        Dudro is right- Trump will get hammered one on one and will wander all over the place making off the cuff remarks that the moderators and Hillary will point out the inconsistency of.

        Lion of the Turambar

        September 1, 2016 at 7:32 PM

      • Uh, crap. You’re back. I had hopes.

        Andrew E.

        September 1, 2016 at 9:26 PM

      • Stop saying ridiculous things then.

        Trump is doing better because not because of his actions, but because of all the Hillary info coming out about the Clinton foundation. Trump really needs to shut up and get off stage and let the central story be negative Hillary news.

        This election is really about who the voters hate more.

        Lion of the Turambar

        September 2, 2016 at 7:31 AM

    • I agree that’s a legitimate problem. We can recall the two debates (separated by over a month) in which he effusively praised the H1-B Visa program and said that he’s happy to have these skilled workers come here. In direct contradiction to the position statement on HIS OWN WEBSITE, where he correctly points out that H1-B workers just drive down wages and job security for qualified American workers.

      Look, I love Trump, and think he’s one of the best things to happen to our politics in a while. Even if he DID soften his immigration stances, I’d still be happy to vote for him over Jeb, Rubio, Hillary, Sanders, or any of the other losers. But it’s just not correct to act like he has a consistent, logical, and well-thought out position on every issue and sub-issue. He has contradicted himself several times, and has a tendency to give rambling statements in which he gets carried away and says things that he later has to “walk back.”

      In particular, one of his problems (definitely highlighted by this weird H1-B flip-flop) is when something is presented in positive, proud, honorable terms. Like “skilled workers bringing valuable contributions to the economy.” Trump, for whatever reason, just won’t (or can’t) carefully listen to the question, dissect what’s really being said (“guest worker” = H1-B Visa applicant doing a skilled job for cheap and putting an American out of work), and point out why this positive phrasing is wrong, and a different policy would help American workers. Instead, he hears words like “skilled” and “contribute” and “economic growth” and he immediately wants to start rambling about how terrific it is and how much he loves those people and how wonderful that program is.

      Again – I’m a proud Trump voter. But Hillary will rip him to shreds in the debates if he keeps doing that.


      September 1, 2016 at 1:17 PM

      • “In particular, one of his problems (definitely highlighted by this weird H1-B flip-flop) is when something is presented in positive, proud, honorable terms. Like “skilled workers bringing valuable contributions to the economy.” Trump, for whatever reason, just won’t (or can’t) carefully listen to the question, dissect what’s really being said (“guest worker” = H1-B Visa applicant doing a skilled job for cheap and putting an American out of work), and point out why this positive phrasing is wrong, and a different policy would help American workers. Instead, he hears words like “skilled” and “contribute” and “economic growth” and he immediately wants to start rambling about how terrific it is and how much he loves those people and how wonderful that program is.”

        This is a major problem and it’s one that the news media has been manipulating for headlines for over a year. That’s how we got “deportation force,” “Muslim registration,” and Conway and Hannity’s manipulation at the Hannity town hall last week to get Trump on the Gang of 8 agenda. Hopefully his kids have caught this and are working on it.

        Mike Street Station

        September 1, 2016 at 10:50 PM

      • Very insightful, MKP. I never noticed it before, but now that you’ve articulated it so well I totally do.

        Tips for debating Trump:

        Trump hates opposing positive things, so frame your ideas in positive terms and claim Trump is against them.

        Trump enjoys his reputation as a blunt straight talker, so avoid suggesting his ideas are impossible, offensive, etc. This will only make him double down in an attempt to prove his “political incorrectness” and outsider status..


        September 3, 2016 at 11:03 AM

  14. Within just a few years immigration as a share of national population is set to break all historical records. The time has come for a new immigration commission to develop a new set of reforms to our legal immigration system in order to achieve the following goals:

    To keep immigration levels measured by population share within historical norms. To select immigrants based on their likelihood of success in U.S. society and their ability to be financially self- sufficient.

    That seems to be new. I would like him to talk about identity as well as aptitude but that’s definitely a big step in the right direction. For a while he kept saying that immigrants can come back they just have to come back legally.

    So if Trump just parrots whoever he has been talking to recently I guess this it the result of being on a plane trip to Mexico with Jeff Sessions?


    September 1, 2016 at 7:16 AM

  15. He gave a pretty big chip to the restrictionist side by proposing legal immigration caps that keep our foreign-born population in line with historic norms. In other words, he realizes we’re almost at the point of no return like we were in the 1920’s.

    Bilbo Baggins

    September 1, 2016 at 7:48 AM

  16. Trump back ahead in Ras. We’ll be leading by the debates.

    Otis the Sweaty

    September 1, 2016 at 9:10 AM

  17. SFG – About Joshua Seidel, welp:


    September 1, 2016 at 10:01 AM

  18. “To keep immigration levels measured by population share within historical norms.”

    That sounds like the pre-1965 system where the nation established immigration quotas by country that were based on the proportion of the American population of each ancestry. So Great Britain was given a large quota and Somalia’s was tiny. Of course the proportions today differ quite a bit from those of 1965.

    Mark Caplan

    September 1, 2016 at 1:13 PM

    • He means only the total percentage of the U.S. population that is foreign-born, which is at historical highs. Country-based quotas would probably not be politically viable in 2016, which is why he stressed picking immigrants based on their ability to be self-supportive, which hopefully will weed out the goat herders.


      September 1, 2016 at 1:53 PM

  19. Did others notice the backdrop of American flags behind Trump resembled Klansmen hoods?

    Mark Caplan

    September 1, 2016 at 2:27 PM

    • Why waste this observation here when you could make it to the New York Times?


      September 1, 2016 at 4:07 PM

    • They look like flags.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 1, 2016 at 4:18 PM

    • I thought they were klansmen!

      The Philosopher

      September 1, 2016 at 6:36 PM

      • The KKK hasn’t existed in over forty years. Today’s so-called KKK is comprised exclusively of undercover government agents, informants running around informing on one another, and eight inter-related, unemployed high school drop outs that sit around drinking beer and talking shit around a campfire in the woods.

        E. Rekshun

        September 2, 2016 at 5:09 AM

      • Rekshun, that is absolutely false. The KKK is in many ways the greatest threat to civil order in America today. Probably even more than Middle Eastern terrorists (WHO WE HAVE NO IDEA WHY THEY HATE US SO MUCH, IT MUST BE BECAUSE OF OUR FREEDOM AND LACK OF ELECTROLYTES).

        Think of all the policemen they’ve killed, women raped, welfare taken, neighbourhoods destroyed, people they’ve robbed and drugs peddled all over america. If you weren’t so racist, you would see that. Instead your evil white privilege is warping your grasp on reality.

        The Philosopher

        September 2, 2016 at 6:01 PM

      • @ The philosopher: Are you being sarcastic? When a rag-tag group of a dozen pathetic Whites get together to protest some perceived injustice, and calling themselves KKK or some other White-power group, they’re the ones that need to be protected from the hundreds of counter-demonstrators that show up! There is no KKK.

        I’m not a racist and I don’t care if you call me one.

        E. Rekshun

        September 3, 2016 at 6:31 PM

  20. Well e verify is the best hope. Ban employers getting coolies. Suddenly mullt kulti death cult multi billion ad campaigns with monority professionals DEMONSTRATER PLUSIERS COMPETENCE becomes uneconomic.

    It must be accompanied by stiff fines and even jail time in my view. Once employers get prison time for it, et voila.

    Mr libertretardian: that is not in line with he free market mechanism.

    Phil: liberretard, tell me, how does the free market mechanism operate at 1am as you walk through the impoverished neighbourhood of your city?

    Mr libertard: does not compute. PLAY FAIR. ILLoGical iLLogic. I am obese and the upper body defintion of a woman.

    The Philosopher

    September 1, 2016 at 2:46 PM

    • I’ve long thought that requiring e-verify combined with heavy fines and jail time was the key. But it should be expanded to landlords, banking and car sales, as well as employers. In fact, anyone caught transporting illegals should have their vehicle seized the same as if they were carrying drugs. Without a job, transportation or place to live it becomes very difficult to live in a country.


      September 2, 2016 at 1:51 AM

  21. I think Trump is being accused of softening his position because in his speech he did not talk about deporting illegals en masse. (I myself would like to see illegals deported en masse, a la Operation Wetback.) But if we have mandatory E-Verify, I think the vast majority of illegals would deport themselves. Having illegals deport themselves would look a lot less mean than rounding them up and would provoke far less opposition. So, I’d be very happy with kicking out the criminals and letting most of the rest deport themselves.

    Calvin Hobbes

    September 1, 2016 at 2:59 PM

  22. OT: NYT, 09/01/16 – A Question About Friends Reveals a Lot About Class Divides

    Now try a question that reveals something about the class divide in the United States: How many of your closest friends didn’t graduate from college?…29 percent of adults with at least a bachelor’s degree say all five of their closest friends have at least a four-year college degree. And 31 percent of adults who either never attended college or never graduated say none of their closest friends had at least a four-year college degree…

    PBS, 03/24/16 – Do you live in a bubble? A quiz

    Do you live in a bubble? There exists a new upper class that’s completely disconnected from the average white American and American culture at large, argues Charles Murray, a libertarian political scientist and author. Take this 25-question quiz, based on a similar one published in Murray’s 2012 book, “Coming Apart: The State of White America 1960-2010,” to find out just how thick your bubble is…

    E. Rekshun

    September 1, 2016 at 6:09 PM

    • I couldn’t imagine having a single close friend who didn’t graduate from college.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 1, 2016 at 6:24 PM

      • I was surprised that they found so many people with 5 or more real life close friends.


        September 1, 2016 at 6:54 PM

      • Can the same be said for Trump?

        Lion of the Turambar

        September 1, 2016 at 7:21 PM

      • I have few friends. One of them never attended college. Instead, he managed his family’s restaurant, and became a semi-pro cellist (getting compared favorably with Yo-Yo Ma.) He has a lot of good stories about handling troublesome black customers in the good old days before PC.

        mel belli

        September 1, 2016 at 8:03 PM

      • So you wouldn’t be friends with Huey Lewis?


        September 1, 2016 at 11:58 PM

      • Why would a rock star like Huey Lewis want to be my friend?

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 2, 2016 at 12:02 AM

      • Why wouldn’t a rock star like Huey Lewis want to be your friend?


        September 2, 2016 at 6:15 AM

      • Someone here should start a band called “Lions of the Blogosphere.” Hit single begins, “Welcome to the Lion’s feast;/ First course is Chateau Heartiste …”?


        September 2, 2016 at 9:15 AM

    • i have no friends. you guys are my friends.

      james n.s.w

      September 2, 2016 at 1:05 AM

      • Dewd, I volunteer to be your friend or at least friendly acquaintance in physical space. Do you live in Manhattan or Brooklyn? Barneses and Nobleses are great places to meet — e.g the Court Street one or the Union Square one.


        September 2, 2016 at 12:24 PM

      • james — You seem nice enough. Have you tried making friends?


        September 2, 2016 at 2:34 PM

      • American freindship is very superficial. When you are ready to die for your freind, that’s friendship. A lot of chaps, who are just good acquaintances in my book, tell me that I’m their best freind. These are miserable creatures that have no idea what friendship is about. I have no real friends, but I try to be a good freind to everybody that I know. In general, the right formula in life is to do good without anticipation of a reward. This is the Divine way and the only right way to live.


        September 2, 2016 at 2:36 PM

      • Garr –

        I think that n.s.w. in james’ username is short for New South Wales in Australia.


        September 2, 2016 at 9:08 PM

      • yakov — I considered typing something similar. I agree that a lot of friendships are superficial. I have a number of of acquaintances who I socialize with. But I don’t feel any real connection with most of them. Some would probably be hurt if they knew. And I’ve unintentionally hurt others feelings by not keeping in touch. But the way I see it is, if someone has a lot of close friends then they must not be very close. The only people I’m really close to are my immediate family — the one I was born into and the one I’ve made.


        September 3, 2016 at 10:35 AM

    • @LotB: I couldn’t imagine having a single close friend who didn’t graduate from college.

      I’m actually still in touch with three close childhood friends that never attended college, instead one became a firefighter, one a union sheet metal worker, and one a career Navy Master Chief Petty Officer. They all retired in their 40s with $50K lifetime annual pensions and gold-plated lifetime health benefits. We get together about once per year and it’s just like we were teens again. Adult friendships and acquaintanceships have been exclusively w/ professional and graduate school grads.

      @nebbish: I was surprised that they found so many people with 5 or more real life close friends.

      Yes, I many people exaggerate co-workers, neighbors, and acquaintances as “friends.”

      E. Rekshun

      September 2, 2016 at 4:58 AM

  23. Good speech but what I really want to hear is Trump come down hard on guest worker and visa programs.


    September 1, 2016 at 6:41 PM

  24. According to my own secret polling average, Trump is down by 4.1 points.

    This is after 3 good Trump weeks and fairly bad Hillary weeks. I expect more of the same going forward, but will it be enough to overcome a 4.1 point deficit? I really don’t think so.

    Up until the last few days I really thought Trump had it but I just don’t feel like he will be able to bring home enough cucked out “moderate” white voters.

    As for Hil, I don’t want to be a conspiracy guy but I don’t by her team’s excuse that she isn’t talking or appearing because she is trying to “run out the clock” on the campaign and count on Trump to just self destruct. They know that Trump’s campaigning these last few weeks have helped him and her going mute in public while fundraising isn’t doing her any favors.

    They aren’t keeping Hil under wraps, she genuinely is too sick to campaign.

    Which brings up a question: why in the name of Fuck did the Dems go with Hillary? Biden, Gillibrand or Booker would be stomping Trump’s guts. The Dems aren’t like the GOP, Dems will vote for whoever their establishment tells them too. They could have easily given the nom to one of the afformentioned 3.

    Otis the Sweaty

    September 1, 2016 at 11:08 PM

    • One thing that’s interesting about this election is that we can see the Sailer Strategy in effect, and we can see its underlying problem:

      In 21st century America, if you appeal to blue collar whites, you will turn off college educated whites, and vice versa.

      Mitt Romney lost 2012 because he didn’t appeal to blue collar whites. While they didn’t particularly like Obama, Obama did campaign about how he saved GM and depicted Romney as an outsourcer. Now, it doesn’t matter that Obama subsequently went on to endorse the TPP: the damage was done, and blue collar whites didn’t turn out for Romney in a satisfactory way.

      Trump is currently behind, not because he’s turned off blue collar whites, but because too many college educated whites despise him. They think he’s racist, cruel and low-class, no matter how much money he has.

      While it’s theoretically possible to balance white working class and white bourgeoisie interests, it’s no easy task. Same thing with the media: Romney lost because he never raised his voice nor ever struck back against the media, while Trump often goes after people in self-destructive ways, such as with the Mexican judge and the Khan family. In order to win as a Republican, you basically have to be like Sean Connery’s James Bond: perfectly smooth and suave, but also strong and just edgy enough. There really aren’t that many people who can pull that off.

      While Republicans can still win the presidency, with Nevada, Colorado and Virginia now being almost solid blue states, their margin of error is horribly thin.

      That said, Hillary is such a terrible candidate that Trump still has a shot. I agree that she’s too sick to be campaigning, and it’s blasting her away. Will she and Bill be dead within the next eight years? Isn’t it scary how you’ve just pondered that question seriously?

      I think what happened among the Dems this election cycle is that the Clintons spent the last 4-8 years fixing it. What’s more is that the Dems have lost Congress and Governorships so badly that there really aren’t that many Establishment Democrats who aren’t also Clintonist associates or vassals. In 2008, there was enough of a non-Clinton Establishment, that men like Harry Reid and Ted Kennedy could persuade others in the Establishment to endorse Obama. This time? Not so much. So while someone like Cory Booker nor Kirsten Gillibrand could’ve won easily (Biden was too exhausted from his son’s death to face Hillary), there weren’t enough Establishment Dems who would back them.


      September 2, 2016 at 5:39 AM

      • “They think he’s racist, cruel and low-class, no matter how much money he has.”

        Objectively, Trump is low class.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 2, 2016 at 12:11 PM

      • I think a Greg Abbott type could form a pan white coalition. We are still building our bench of Trumpist candiates so it is going to take some time. We need our own Marine Le Pen or Nigel Farage and we just don’t have one yet, but they will come.

        Somebody like Trump could still win but he would need a worse economy. And ignore what the haters say, the economy is pretty good and getting better. It won’t last, but for now it is good.

        If it were up to me we’d put off the election until next year because I’d love to see Obama own the next recession.

        Otis the Sweaty

        September 2, 2016 at 12:50 PM

      • Trump’s secret weapon is excitement and turnout. He doesn’t have to straddle a delicate balance fragile egos. He has to turnout a portion of the tens of millions of whites who hate politicians and usually don’t bother voting. He will.

        Andrew E.

        September 2, 2016 at 1:23 PM

      • The best comment that I’ve read on this board in awhile, particularly the near impossibility of appealing to white blue collar and other white voters simultaneously.

        August LV

        September 2, 2016 at 8:44 PM

      • “Objectively, Trump is low class.”

        Yes, he chose to be as much.

        “I think a Greg Abbott type could form a pan white coalition. We are still building our bench of Trumpist candiates so it is going to take some time.”

        I think what will help form a pan-white coalition will be how explicitly anti-white the left has become with SJWism. Almost all of my white male liberal friends more or less acknowledge that the Democratic Party has nothing to offer them, with some of them settling for Hillary merely because they think Trump is so much worse.

        That said, this will definitely take time. The sense I get is that Baby Boomers (liberal and conservative alike) still have extremely fond memories of the Civil Rights Era and its idealism. Whites of younger generations never grew up with that optimism. I’m a Millennial and I think that the Civil Rights Era may have been a force for good in the 1960s, but the 60s have been over and done for 46 years, and the social justice movement since then has been almost entirely a terrible thing for the country.

        I think that the key to forming a pan-white movement would be to really stress patriotism. I think that as China becomes more and more powerful, the call for patriotism will become more attractive, and once people come into the Trumpist camp, we can gradually ease them in HBD. Millennials sure do love *Science!* after all.

        “Somebody like Trump could still win but he would need a worse economy. And ignore what the haters say, the economy is pretty good and getting better. It won’t last, but for now it is good.”

        I think the economy is currently OK, but sclerotic. Will the economy worsen in the next year or two? These things are hard to predict.

        “I guess the Clinton machine within the Democratic Party is just that strong.”

        Right, and there weren’t any other machines to counteract them this time. I think Valerie Jarrett leaking the information about Hillary’s emails and the Foundation was about as much as a push against the Clintons as there was. Ultimately, the Obama team is just too insular to have pawns, vassals and associates staffing every lever of the Democratic Party, the way the Clintons have.


        September 2, 2016 at 9:09 PM

      • It’s too bad immigrants can’t run for president. I think the only person who could unite middle and lower class whites would be a Brit. Purely for stylistic reasons. A Christopher Hitchens type guy with a smooth accent to make him seem sophisticated, but also a biting nastiness and flair for insults that would make him seem funny and cool. We Americans don’t really do characters like that very well. Maybe a Denis Miller type?


        September 3, 2016 at 10:56 AM

    • I agree it’s a mystery as to why, out of all options, the Democratic establishment went with Hillary. I guess the Clinton machine within the Democratic Party is just that strong.

      Mike Street Station

      September 2, 2016 at 6:08 AM

  25. IBD has Crooked Hillary up by only 1. Secret Otis polling average has Hil up only by an even 4. Let’s get this down to 3 by the debates.

    Otis the Sweaty

    September 2, 2016 at 12:06 PM

  26. Angela Merkel has latched onto a kinder, gentler term for deportation: repatriation. “Repatriation with all expenses paid, including free Wi-Fi and full English breakfast” should be the Alt-right’s new terminology for sending illegals back to their motherlands.

    Mark Caplan

    September 2, 2016 at 3:37 PM

  27. A meme I’ve been seeing from liberals on social media since Trump’s immigration speech (a guy I went to high school with just had an article published on Huffington Post arguing exactly this) is that even to invoke 1965 at all, and our immigration policy prior to that year, is tantamount to white nationalism and white supremacism, and therefore beyond the bounds of decency. So as much as I’d like to give credit to Trump for shifting the Overton window, the fact is it can really only be considered shifted if he wins in November. If he loses, our elites will take that as vindication of their view that immigration restriction is equivalent to Nazism and can never be considered ever again.


    September 2, 2016 at 5:44 PM

    • This is what stresses me the most about Trump. Because he is such a flawed candidate in so many ways, he will bring his broken-clock-twice-a-day good ideas down with him.


      September 4, 2016 at 7:46 AM

      • Don’t worry about Trump. The worst thing for the cause of nationalism are people like you and Turambar.

        Andrew E.

        September 4, 2016 at 12:40 PM

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