Lion of the Blogosphere

More from Publius Decuis Mus

He answers some questions from a website called “American Greatness.” Worth reading.

The highlight:

The “conservatives” have at least two motives for band-wagoning with this nonsense. One is that they simply don’t understand higher principle anymore, because their whole mindset is unconsciously leftist, so they believe that everything the Left calls “racist” is in fact racist. Oppose more immigration? Racist! Don’t believe the police systematically try to kill blacks? Racist!

The other is simple cowardice. Conservatives are terrified of being called racist. I don’t know if this is bad conscience or what—maybe at heart they really believe it? Maybe living in all-white neighborhoods perhaps makes them feel guilty. But being called out for it scares them above all so they are always desperate to make public declarations of their purity as non-racists. They think they will get credit from the Left, which of course they never do, but that never stops them from trying.

I’m not sure, myself. Do so-called “conservatives” genuinely believe in the leftist viewpoint on “racism”?

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

September 17, 2016 at 8:27 pm

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  1. Do so-called “conservatives” genuinely believe in the leftist viewpoint on “racism”

    Absolutely. You see it all the time when they fall all over themselves trying to be the first to denounce whoever it is in the left’s crosshairs. McCain is famous for this.


    September 17, 2016 at 8:38 pm

  2. Do so-called “conservatives” genuinely believe in the leftist viewpoint on “racism”?

    It hardly matters whether or not their belief is genuine. If they don’t believe the Leftist viewpoint on racism but are too cowardly to oppose the Leftist viewpoint, the end result is the same as if they genuinely believe the Leftist viewpoint: no effective opposition to the Left, and the Left advances.


    September 17, 2016 at 8:46 pm

    • I dont know why we are treating any of this seriously. PDM is barely coherent in this.

      First off he doesnt agree with the premise: “The conservative critics who think she has a point are liberals. Or useless. Or not conservative. Or maybe all three.” So why talk about it for another 3 paragraphs? Especially when your “insights” are really nothing.

      Then there is the part where he praises Obama “sterling character”. If you claim to be a Constitutionalist how can you praise the character of someone claim unelected powers that the government and Presidency doesnt have because they justify his goals?

      Lion of the Turambar

      September 18, 2016 at 8:14 am

      • In his PERSONAL life he has sterling character, married the same wife, no evidence that he has cheated on her, has children who have been well behaved until recently.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 18, 2016 at 8:19 am

      • Seems a ridiculously tailored definition.

        PDM says “does not appear to be corrupt in any way” which is obviously not true. Obama constantly lies to obtain his ends. His “no one is going to take away your doctor. period” is the most the most thoroughly documented, but he also made claims about his mother’s health insurance that he knew to be false. And it goes on and on.

        Then there are his corrupt land dealings in Chicago.

        All this denial of the obvious is in service the idea that a persons character is not indicative of their actions. A ridiculous premise that reduces his whole position to conceding that Trump is an amoral SOB but he is their SOB (or so he thinks).

        The nadir is PDM’s pronouncement “I would reelect Bill Clinton if I thought he would build a wall”. To what end? To live in a walled off society devoid of any sense of right or wrong ruled entirely by the whims of whoever is corrupt and ruthless enough to wield power? Its a George Miller world. There are no intellectual underpinnings to this movement.

        Lion of the Turambar

        September 18, 2016 at 9:27 am

      • We don’t know about Obama’s personal life. Did he take drugs or have pre-marital sex? if so, those are considered immoral in traditional morals. Even drinking to some is immoral.


        September 18, 2016 at 8:36 pm

  3. My dad says that he doesn’t like Trump because he’s gotten too close to courting racism, and he’s spent his whole life trying to deny that he wasn’t racist, even though he’s always voted Republican. That really surprised me, but I suppose it’s a generational difference. He grew up during the Civil Rights Era and he still thinks its idealism applies today.

    I think that most Republicans and conservatives more or less agree with Thomas Sowell: blacks really do commit more crimes and score lower on standardized tests, but it’s because their culture is anti-intellectual, promotes violence, and needs better family structures enforced.

    TBH, I think that Trump believes the standard conservative view, but he doesn’t shrivel up in terror when he’s called racist, so it’s commonly assumed that he’s a racist indeed.


    September 17, 2016 at 8:50 pm

  4. No. They don’t. They are careerist cowards. A real fight would entail risks. They only have the stomach for Kabuki theater. They are the polar opposites of the founding generation.


    September 17, 2016 at 9:14 pm

    • They have no problem sticking up for economic conservatism.


      September 18, 2016 at 12:15 am

      • One problem with that is that free trade is not actually conservative (except perhaps in the sense that Republicans have endorsed it for so long they now consider it part of their tradition).

        There is no risk to them in sticking up for low taxes because the Democrats, rather than fighting for high taxes, are happy to put the spending on the national credit card.


        September 19, 2016 at 8:29 am

  5. “racist”?

    what does that really mean?

    what does that mean…really?

    in the US, at least, what it really means is…

    poor white.

    trump’s foray into poltics…

    is most interesting for how it has brought out the class-ism of elite media.

    they don’t even try to disguise it.

    Trumpocalypse Now

    September 17, 2016 at 10:13 pm

  6. Lion, what is your opinion about the explosions in New Jersey and Manhattan, currently being reported on in the media.


    September 17, 2016 at 10:21 pm

  7. Trumpocalypse Now

    September 17, 2016 at 11:28 pm

  8. They are just cheap grifters. All of them. Including Ron Paul who has had ample oppurtunities to ask Ben Bernanke probing questions about the Fed but never did (he always just missed it).

    Most of them are just in it for the money and can’t actually take the pressure of being social pariahs or being in the limelight. Few people can. The Internet has made shaming that much more powerful.


    September 18, 2016 at 12:44 am

  9. Oppose more immigration? Racist! Don’t believe the police systematically try to kill blacks? Racist!

    No, I think Publius is off here. This is the point of the distinction between “right-liberal” (the people who are called “conservatives” by mainstream society) and “left-liberal” (the people who are called “liberals” or “leftists” by mainstream society.) It’s not that conservatives genuinely believe in the leftist viewpoint on “racism,” but they do genuinely believe in the liberal view. (If they believed in the leftist view, it would be logically nonsensical for them to accuse liberals/Democrats of being the real racists, because the leftist view is that conservatives/Republicans are the real racists.) That is, they agree that “racism” is horrible and awful and the most evil thing imaginable, and they believe there are all kinds of things that qualify as “racism” beyond actual hatred of people of a different race (like any form of conscious discrimination,) they just don’t go as far as leftists in believing in things like “structural racism” or “institutional racism,” or believing that unconscious discrimination constitutes racism, or believing that racism is the cause of racial discrepancies. Mainstream conservatives agree with leftists in that they’re also blank-slaters who believe all racial differences are entirely environmental, they just think the environmental causes are things like “a self-destructive black culture,” or fatherlessness, or a vicious circle of crime and poverty (as though those factors just somehow sprang up out of nowhere,) rather than “racism.” But mainstream conservatives definitely do not believe that the police systematically try to kill blacks, or that people who don’t believe that are racists. In fact, they believe that people who do believe that are racists (“the real racists,”) because those people are actually helping keep black people down by focusing attention elsewhere other than the vicious cycle of crime and poverty and fatherlessness, thus not helping blacks to be lifted out of it.

    If you’re an alt-righter, a race realist, an HBD-er, or whatever, all this might seem a distinction without a difference, but to both mainstream conservatives and leftists, the gulf is huge.

    I’ll take a page out of Lion’s book (who’s always citing his former libertarianism as a credential for knowing what libertarians believe,) and say that the reason I know this is that I used to be a National Review-subscribing, rah-rah-Republican Party, Bush supporter, and the above is what I believed. Also I still have mainstream conservative friends and I hear this from them.

    Publius is right that conservatives think they will get credit from the Left, which of course they never do, yet they persist in believing indefinitely that next time will be the time they finally get credit from the left.


    September 18, 2016 at 12:58 am

    • Yeah, that’s a really good point.

      I think many conservatives grew up post-civil rights and actually genuinely don’t want to be racist. The remainders of the old ‘color-blind’ position that I grew up with are, actually, conservative now; the pro-white position disappeared but came back as the alt-right.

      Personally I think identity politics is very bad for the republic, but if black people and Hispanics get to have it, can I really argue white people shouldn’t get to also?


      September 18, 2016 at 11:44 pm

    • Liberals are blank slaters who believe that black dysfunction is entirely due to the legacy of slavery, institutional racism, white supremacy, etc. Mainstream conservatives tend to argue that most of the ills that afflict blacks (breakup of the family, welfare dependency, high crime rates) are due to liberal social programs, which is very similar to the libertarian argument.

      Lewis Medlock

      September 19, 2016 at 11:21 am

  10. Define racist? Certainly everybody in public life doesn’t want to be considered a racist so they denounce “racism”. It’s the default position of the our era. People don’t really know what they are because racism has so many meanings.

    To give an example,during TR’s presidency a St Louis newspaper criticized him because they thought he might force San Francisco to stop the segregation of Asians in public schools. No mainstream newspaper would say that now.


    September 18, 2016 at 1:34 am

  11. I told you all a terrorism attack was inevitable and should be factored in goving trump an extra expected value of 3 points.

    This madness will end once trump stops open borders and the zionist middle eastern reconquista.

    The Philosopher

    September 18, 2016 at 5:03 am

    • The wha…?

      I kind of doubt Trump is going to do anything about Israel. I can’t see him caring about the Palestinians. The most he might do is pull out of the Middle East altogether, which would be very bad for Israel but gratify lots of Americans sick of our involvement over there.

      I kind of think we should just give up on the whole thing and give the Israelis some sparsely inhabited chunk of Arizona. They can guard the border, they’re used to the climate, and in 70 years we’ll have a new Silicon Valley down there. Everyone wins!


      September 18, 2016 at 11:48 pm

  12. OT: So how about those bombs, huh? Any eye witness reports?

    CNN tells us (

    “De Blasio says “there is no evidence at this point of a terror connection” and there is no “credible and specific threat” to New York City. Police have increased security across the five boroughs as a precaution, a law enforcement source told CNN.”


    “24 people were taken to the hospital after the explosion, but “none of those injured are likely to die,” the mayor says.”

    “Blocks away from the first explosion, what appears to be a pressure cooker with dark colored wiring coming out of the top center of the device was found, according to multiple local and federal law enforcement officials.”

    OK then. I assume this will make Trump win even harder.


    September 18, 2016 at 5:05 am

  13. Do so-called “conservatives” genuinely believe in the leftist viewpoint on “racism”?

    does it matter when they act like they believe it? i’d say paul ryan, JEB!, and kasich believe the leftist view.
    trump has forced people to be honest about what they really think, he’s a great man (i’m not kidding. name one other person who’s made americans be honest with themselves.).

  14. No I don’t think most conservatives accept the Leftist view of racism, but they also aren’t as extreme as us.

    There has been a lot of talk that Trump’s faux outreach to minorities is part of a plan to make him more appealing to suburban whites who see him as racist, and that is probably true. But the anti Trump sentiment on the part of suburban whites has nothing to do with Trump’s racism, it has to do with his proledom. Trump cannot behave Presidentially and it’s killing him with college educated whites. College educated whites are fine with racism; what they aren’t fine with, however, is bufoonery.

    The key for Trump is going to be behaving presidential enough at the debates that he can win over some skeptical, college educated whites.

    Trump is now up by 6.7% in the USC poll, bringing Hil’s lead in the well respected Otis Index below 1.5%. Can we get the Otis Index under 1% by the first debate?

    Otis the Sweaty

    September 18, 2016 at 8:03 am

  15. I would have given different motives i.e. msm and special interests. Professional conservatives who oppose the left’s agenda are punished by the msm. And special interests who sponsor them don’t want their interests compromised by controversy. The only professional conservatives who can thrive in this environment are cucks. I think the general public has been influenced as well but that it’s as much a case of suppression and submission as having actually changed people’s views. Without the cathedral that would unravel posthaste.


    September 18, 2016 at 9:41 am

  16. Yes, Republicans (churchians, libertarians, nfl watching boobs) are cowards who believe and/or tow the liberal anti-white line; ie “racism.”

    No, Obama has never had sterling character for a second in his life.

    Trump does have sterling character and even heroic qualities; and that’s because of his HONEST approach to being a (white) man and an American.


    September 18, 2016 at 1:29 pm

  17. Cowardice seems more likely. Americans, both left and right, have made racism such a taboo that it’s become the ultimate political weapon. You may as well be accusing people of witchcraft. In reality most racists are just people who has some degree of ethnic pride, ethnic preference, and probably don’t hate anybody.

    If that’s racism, then the word racist needs to be de-fanged.

    Jason Liu

    September 18, 2016 at 4:17 pm

    • I was raised to believe ‘racism’ meant ‘prejudice based on race’, as opposed to religion, sex, or some other attribute. Now it means ‘prejudice based on race plus a power differential’, which is used by the SJW crowd as you might expect.


      September 18, 2016 at 11:52 pm

  18. “Do so-called “conservatives” genuinely believe in the leftist viewpoint on “racism”?”

    Publicly, you have to pretend to accept it or society and the media at large will regard you as racist. I don’t think all conservatives believe it, but they all pretty much have to go along with it. If you are an official public conservative you’ll never be on another panel again if you challenge it.

    But there are conservatives who have actually inculcated the leftist view of race and that’s the target audience for the pejorative, cuckservative.

    Mike Street Station

    September 18, 2016 at 7:14 pm

  19. Conservatism is fake. There ain’t no such animal. Its Brand X Marxism, brought to you by the Military Industrial Complex. They use Abe Lincoln instead of Marx, but its the same old corporate globalist agenda as Hillary and Obama. The Bush Fambly has all lined up for HER. Hillary Elderly Rerun.
    The only people on the Right supporting Trump are the ones who live in districts where they might lose their cushy no-work positions if they oppose him. Call Trump a populist, a xenophobe or even a nationalist. As long as you don’t call him American they can all pretend they’re not all lining up for an old fashioned hemp necktie party.
    There is really just one party. It has two wings, two faces and one ideology. E pluribus unum. Novus Ordo Seclorum. The Church of the Almighty Dollar. They believe that money makes the world go around. Actually its the Earth’s Gravitational Field. I suspect soon they will see the gravity of their situation. But by that time it’ll be too late. Are you scared? You will be. You will be.

    Joshua Sinistar

    September 21, 2016 at 4:35 am

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