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Pence wins!

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I correctly predicted that Pence’s superior gravitas would carry the day. Undecided voters got annoyed by Kaine’s constant interruptions of Pence. Kaine’s strategy to keep talking about Trump’s taxes was a failure. Undecided voters get that no one pays more taxes than they are legally obligated to pay.

Most of the topics discussed during the debate benefited the Trump campaign. It covered illegal immigration, terrorism, and Pence was able to hit Hillary on her private email server and the 33,000 deleted emails, and on the Clinton Foundations.

Pence’s only mistake was to talk about abortion when the question was only about religious beliefs. That was a real softball question which Pence should have used to talk about his moral values that are commonly shared, such as honesty and commitment to his family and children.

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Back on July 14th, when Pence was only a rumor and not yet official, I wrote “he seems like the best vice presidential pick by a Republican nominee since Bush picked Cheney sixteen years ago.” I am always right about vice presidents. The politicians should pay me for my advice instead of the bozos who told McCain to pick Palin and Romney to pick Ryan and Bush Sr. to pick Quayle.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

October 4, 2016 at 10:44 pm

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  1. Yeah, was pretty good actually. Except for Russia, where both were stupid. I have to take back everything I’d said about Pence. He was a very good choice. Was much better than the presidential debate. Lol.


    October 4, 2016 at 10:50 pm

    • I read The White Company when I was a kid, Yakov. I remember a big guy who runs away from the monastery and then has a wrestling match with an archer in a bar; then they join the “Black Prince”‘s crew and go to France. In France the big guys says that if he had to fight a knight he’d grab the knight’s lance and break in it half and clobber the knight over the head with the end of it. I don’t remember the ladies you have in mind. I’m interested that you’ve read a couple of Arthur Conan Doyle novels, though. How did this happen? And the Jack London novel. I mean, I’ve read some of the Russian novelists that everyone’s heard of, and The Master and Margarita, all in translation, of course, but not stuff equivalent to Doyle or London. Did you accidentally come across these things, or what?


      October 5, 2016 at 5:08 am

      • The major theme was winning a lady’s hand after being knighted for feats of valor. It was no accident, my parents had collected writings of Conan Doyle, Jack London, Robert Louis Stevenson as well as many other authors. I’ve read all of them in Russian as a kid and later on in English as a teenager. These were pretty well known authors and their books were available in the library. Russians read a lot. I’m pretty sure Putin had read them.


        October 5, 2016 at 9:10 am

      • Yeah, I know; Russians are awesome as well as scary. That guy “Philosopher” just makes me snarl because I imagine him looking down at us from an ornate balcony through his monocle, with the Countess Hilda von Schnarlestaffenhause at his side and a bloody question-mark floating in a thought-bubble over his head. Right, Philosopher? Have I described you accurately?


        October 5, 2016 at 4:18 pm

      • Here is a reading list for you from Putin. The last one on the list ‘Scketches from a Hunter’s Album’ is one my favorite books. I’m not sure that a translation can do justice to it though.

        What are Obama’s or Hillary’s reading recommendations? Trump probably doesn’t read, does he?


        October 5, 2016 at 9:26 pm

  2. Pence may have won in terms of style, but in regard to the actual words that were spoken, he got clobbered. Badly.


    October 4, 2016 at 11:00 pm

    • Are you some kind if Hillary supporter?

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      October 4, 2016 at 11:04 pm

    • No, I’m not fond of either candidate…the whole thing seems a shit-show to me…but the gist of the debate seemed to go something like this:

      Pence: “Keep a cool head…smooth, baby, smooth…”
      Kaine: “Do you realize that you are running on a ticket with Donald fucking Trump? Are you in any way cognizant of Mr. Trump or anything he has said or done?”

      It was a much more interesting debate than I expected, I’ll give them that.


      October 4, 2016 at 11:23 pm

      • I only listened to a few minutes on the radio and what I heard from Kaine was downright excruciating. He couldn’t just answer a question. He had to pad his replies with smarmy voter asskissing. “Little league coaching” – don’t ask me what part of what answer that was.

        I am biased, but Kaine’s vocal mannerisms were insufferable. He sounded not like a used car salesman. He sounded like a used condom salesman.


        October 5, 2016 at 8:51 am

  3. Kaine looked and faggoty, not presidential. Bad choice. A phony.


    October 4, 2016 at 11:03 pm

    • Yakov – Kaine looked and SOUNDED faggoty?

      Kaine said he’ll be Hillary’s “right-hand person,” evidently fearing to utter that taboo word, “m-n.”

      Mark Caplan

      October 5, 2016 at 10:26 am

  4. Lion, are you serious? They BOTH interrupted each other throughout the whole debate. It was often impossible to hear what anyone was saying. Other than that I thought they both did quite well. But I think that Pence could probably be declared the “winner” not even because he did better answering, but because he had a more calm reassuring manner and also, he seemed to do a lot more talking than Gov. Kaine did. But I doubt this debate will change many votes either way. It might reassure some Christian conservative and/or socially conservative voters who are only reluctantly supporting Trump.

    But an incredible thing happened tonight: Lion actually found a social conservative who he thinks has gravitas! Even Ted Cruz, widely considered to be intellectually brilliant, couldn’t get such a compliment from Lion.

    Also, I agree 100% that Gov. Pence should have talked about moral values, and not mentioned religion so much. Even atheists and agnostics have moral concerns. A person doesn’t have to be religious to have a sense of right and wrong.


    October 4, 2016 at 11:05 pm

    • Also, I agree 100% that Gov. Pence should have talked about moral values, and not mentioned religion so much. Even atheists and agnostics have moral concerns. A person doesn’t have to be religious to have a sense of right and wrong.

      Yeah, now go and vote for late-term abortion Killary, moron.

      Andrew E.

      October 4, 2016 at 11:27 pm

    • Pence should have said, “We must rededicate ourselves to the Living God in whom we live, breathe, and have our being, and must strive to do his will in all things great and small, lest our disintegration into a simulacrum of some small corner of Hell proceed to a point at which wild pitbulls wander the burned-out husks of our Walmarts and Mexicans run with sharpened sticks through the forests overgrowing our former suburbs, capturing Blacks for sacrifice to the sun-Demon atop the broken stumps of what were our glass office-towers.”
      Andrew E, gentlemen shouldn’t call nice little oldish Italian ladies “moron”. (I called a monstrous pitbull-walking dyke in my neighborhood worse that when her beast lunged at my son and she was unapologetic; I called a sleak SWPL lady accompanied by a kindergarten-aged-daughter and toddler in stroller in Park Slope worse than that when her pitbull lunged at me and she was unapologetic; I called a frumpy middleaged dykish lady in Park Slope worse than that when she wouldn’t move her monstrous pitbull out of my way. In all three cases I did not respond appropriately. I don’t know how I should have responded, but certainly in a more dignified manner. But in the present case there is no pitbull involved. I assume, MaryK, that you do not own a pitbull.)


      October 5, 2016 at 5:28 am

      • “nice little oldish Italian ladies “

        What a phrase! Not exactly the way I think of myself. But then you could have called me a fat guidette, so I’m counting my blessings.

        Andrew E. has heard my arguments for why I think it’s better for conservatism and the Republican party if Donald Trump loses this election. He knows that this doesn’t mean I favor Hillary or her policies. I won’t bore the readers here by repeating myself. If Andrew really were interested in my ideas he’d discuss them instead of name-calling.

        And, no, I don’t own a pit bull. If I did own a dog, I’d be more of a Maltese kind of girl.


        October 5, 2016 at 9:40 pm

    • Atheists only have opportunity concerns.

      2 Minute Alpha

      October 5, 2016 at 7:13 am

    • How’s the weight loss going? I’ve lost 3 pounds in the last month but I keep gaining & losing it. I need to lose 10 more. My problem is I love food too much.


      October 5, 2016 at 9:01 pm

      • Thanks for asking. I deliberately mentioned how much I had to lose so I’d have an incentive to stay on course and occasionally report my progress. I’ve done 11.5 pounds so far. It will take me over a year at the rate I’m going. But I’m accepting this.


        October 5, 2016 at 9:43 pm

  5. what is it with Republicans and this abortion tick. They just can’t help themselves.

    Kaine is despicable, Pence won and it doesn’t matter. VP debates mean nothing.

    Otis the Sweaty

    October 4, 2016 at 11:07 pm

    • Pence comes from the abortion uber alles wing of the Republican Party. So, what did you expect?

      Mike Street Station

      October 5, 2016 at 11:06 am

    • Otis, you’re such a dumbass. See the article I linked to in my answer to destructure. Guess what, trucons and such vote, and they vote in higher numbers than the potential group you are saying is waiting in the shadows to come out and vote for Trump.

      Why don’t you just call everyone who disagrees with you a deplorable? Or maybe, a despicable?


      October 5, 2016 at 2:29 pm

  6. Pence destroyed the whiny, annoying, creeping-looking effeminate guy. Anyone who thinks Kaine won is either stupid or lying.


    October 4, 2016 at 11:10 pm

    • Even liberals admit that Pence knocked it out of the park. This matters. It really makes Trump look smart having picked him.


      October 5, 2016 at 11:38 am

    • How many white liberals aren’t whiny, annoying and effeminate?

      Lewis Medlock

      October 5, 2016 at 12:03 pm

  7. Didn’t see the debate, but on twitter pollster Frank Luntz said Pence won it by more than Clinton beat Trump. Megyn Kelly tweeted that Pence was preparing for 2020, and Slate is spinning it that Pence threw Trump under the bus. The general view seems to be that Pence won.

    Also, I see Eric Trump apparently did a good job defending Donald on CNN. Also, correctly, called the NY Times an extension of the Clinton campaign.


    October 4, 2016 at 11:38 pm

  8. I’m really worried this tax issue might sink Trump. The left and the media are really digging in their heels on this idea that Trump has paid no taxes and is a fraud. Today my left-wing father forwarded me an article in the Daily Beast by tax reporter David Cay Johnston, who apparently has written an entire book about Trump and is one of these “the rich have bribed politicians to rig the system” guys, about how Trump could have used all these dirty underhanded tricks to avoid paying any taxes while enriching himself and sticking his creditors with the bill for his losses. If the left can drum up enough outrage over this within the working class, Trump might be toast. I fear either he releases his tax returns which show he has in fact used (legal) loopholes to avoid paying much tax if any, or he avoids releasing them for that reason but the constant drumbeat from the liberal media is enough to convince swing voters that he’s a cheat and can’t be trusted.


    October 4, 2016 at 11:42 pm

    • at this point it appears trump fears prosecution for tax evasion, and he doesn’t want public opinion to make that more likely.

      • Fears prosecution over what? He followed all the tax laws to the tee. YOUR A MORON! GET LOST! CRAWL UNDER IT!

        K.l. Asher

        October 5, 2016 at 10:16 am

      • i don’t know. i just think it’s the only way to explain his behavior.

        he believes releasing his returns would be more damaging than releasing them. if they are as you say then they are unlikely to damage him politically. therefore, the only remaining possible motivation for his lawyer’s advice and his taking his lawyer’s advice is that he fears prosecution.

        contrary to popular belief the US is no longer a nation of laws. public opinion or the opinion of powerful people could force prosecution.

    • The 1995 tax return was released by Trump. He is clearly setting the media up. They already bit in a way even he probably never anticipated, with the NY Times bizarre argument that net operating losses are somehow a “loophole”. The economic ignorance of such a statement is appalling. What the Times (and Hillary) are saying is that if you lose 10 million one year, and 10 million the next, then make 22 million in year three for a net profit of 2 million dollars you should be taxed as if you made 22 million and sent a bill from the IRS requiring you to pay millions more than you actually made. Entire classes of business (most of which related to the essential commodities sector) couldn’t exist under such an idiotic system.


      October 5, 2016 at 7:37 am

      • Trump claims to have lost almost $1 billion dollars in 1995. The question is was that a real loss or some kind of a paper losss.

        Say you put up $50 million dollars and borrow $950 million dollars to build a building. You have a building worth $1 billion dollars. Now a few years later you default on the mortgage and the creditors take the building. You can claim a $1 billion dollar business loss for the building, but you also have $950 million in income from the forgiveness of the loan so the net business loss is only the $50 million you put up. Now it is possible that loan forgiveness was in a different tax year and wiped out most of Trump’s huge loss in 1995.

        However, there are some tax tricks that you can use also. Suppose you set up an offshore corporation and convince the bank to sell the $950 million dollar loan to the offshore corporation instead of forgiving it. Maybe they would sell it for $1 million, maybe even less. Then the offshore corporation would just sit on the loan. Make no effort to collect any money but not forgive the loan either. This would then allow you to take the whole $950 million as a business loss, even though you only put up $51 million dollars of your own money ($50 million for the building and $1 million to buy the loan.) This is the kind of tax trick that people suspect Trump has used to take huge business losses that are not really his loss.


        October 5, 2016 at 10:08 am

      • I agree with you, but the left seems to be going beyond that–the gist of the Johnston article (which jumps around a lot and is hard to understand, and I’m so disturbed by the fact that my father is a leftist that I’m not inclined to try to read and reread it closely to understand it in more detail) seems to be that Trump somehow cheated by claiming the $916 million in losses as something other than what they were, so that he didn’t personally lose anything but shifted the burden of the losses to his creditors and investors, while still being able to claim the losses to avoid paying taxes. But that gets into a lot of complicated speculation and is likely to be something only nerdy left-wing wonks care about, not something they’re going to get the working-class masses het up about.


        October 5, 2016 at 1:22 pm

    • You need to work harder on your father. My father is a Republican but both my mother and sister are Dems and I’ve got both voting for Trump even though they don’t particularly like him. And I’ve at the very least shamed my sister-in-law into not voting for Hillary.

      Andrew E.

      October 5, 2016 at 9:15 am

      • Not gonna happen. He’s spent his life envious of white-collar people, cheated on my mother, divorced her, and remarried the woman he cheated on her with, a woman who had a child out of wedlock when she was young and has always been a hippie-dippie liberal wanting to sock it to those rich people and social conservatives. As far as I can tell, he consumes left-wing media, reads left-wing books, and walks around in a perpetual state of rage that the rich aren’t paying more taxes, that capital gains are taxed lower than income and we don’t have a 90% top marginal income tax rate, that we don’t have socialized medicine, that religion still has any influence whatsoever on American society, that we use fossil fuels at all, that the rich and corporations can use their money to fund lobbying groups to bribe Congress to pass laws making the rich richer and sticking the rest of us will the bill, and constantly rants about these things all day to anyone and everyone within earshot. It’s all he thinks or talks about. He’s the kind of person who starts gratuitous political arguments at Thanksgiving dinner. It’s like there’s a program constantly running in his brain, scanning all inputs for any way to interpret anything as an excuse for left-wing ranting. You can try to play it safe by making a seemingly innocuous comment like “nice day we’re having, isn’t it?” but the program in his brain will go “hmm, let’s see… nice day… weather… aha, climate change!” Next thing you know, without any further provocation, he’s going off on how he just read somewhere that our state legislature is failing to charge petroleum companies sufficiently hefty fees for fracking, which clearly indicates someone’s getting paid off, because politicians in this country are a bunch of corrupt sellouts to the highest bidder bought and paid for by special-interests lobbyists funded by rich corporations run by greedy plutocrats who have rigged the system to enrich themselves while screwing over the rest of us blah blah blah.

        He’s the kind of person who considers Obama a “right-wing corporatist,” supported Sanders and hates Hillary Clinton because she’s so beholden to Wall Street and Big Money, but he’s holding his nose and voting for her. Because Trump is a Rich Plutocrat, and Rich Plutocrats in his worldview are the Bad Guys, while Hillary, as awful as she is, is at least more aligned with the left and liberals, who are the Good Guys, period, end of discussion.

        As it stands, I only speak with him a handful of times per year, but I’m seriously considering formally disowning him.


        October 5, 2016 at 2:07 pm

      • Hey Hermes — that’s just your father’s aspie trip; it could have been phenomenology, it could have been license plates, it could have been warships and fighterplanes, but as it happens it’s lefty politics, so just let him be weird and smile! Also, don’t blame him for divorcing your mother, blame his hippie-dippie girlfriend for not being content to be his mistress and bullying him into leaving your mother. Dads are just dopey people like us. (My own kid sees me as an amusing idiot. I encourage this.)


        October 5, 2016 at 9:14 pm

    • the rich have bribed politicians to rig the system

      Hillary is iconic as the bribed politician. The banks especially as well as other corporations and foreign governments have bribed her and Bill with millions in so-called speaking fees.

      Mark Caplan

      October 5, 2016 at 10:34 am

      • There was actually a hacked folder supposedly from the Clinton Foundation exposed by Guccifer2 that said “Pay for Play.” It’s such an obviously corrupt thing I wonder if it’s a fake or real.


        October 5, 2016 at 8:57 pm

    • The Frank Luntz focus group was far more bothered by Clinton’s email scandal than Trump’s tax “trouble” when asked to judge the bigger issue.


      October 5, 2016 at 5:39 pm

  9. Voters will not think of who has “gravitas”. Kaine was an asshat but he nailed Pence on everything he brought up and then some and he speaks very clearly. Remember the 2012 veep debate. Voters didn’t care that Biden was a jerk, they cared that he was the one in command of the debate and the cowardly beta lapdog Ryan put up with it.

    Plus Pence sounds like he is drugged.

    Martin L.

    October 5, 2016 at 12:08 am

  10. None of the major press outlets have declared Kaine the winner, so that’s pretty much saying Pence won (not like the VP debate matters). Pence definitely came across as being stronger while Kaine was annoying and effete.


    October 5, 2016 at 12:10 am

    • Trump will quickly return the conversation to Miss Muchado.

      Lion of the Turambar

      October 5, 2016 at 7:42 am

  11. If only the donald would drop out. Pence, like pretty much any Republican not named “Trump”, would slaughter Hillary.

    Ron S

    October 5, 2016 at 12:19 am

    • Oh no! I wouldn’t trust him on his own with anything.


      October 5, 2016 at 12:35 am

    • Yes, and then we’d get 8 more years of all talk, no action politicians.

      By then the mestizo majority will have metastisized, but I guess that’s all part of the plan?

      Right Soros shill?

      Guys like you should prepare for capital punishment. There won’t be any mercy for traitors to the ranks. After a speedy trial of course, as is the American way.


      October 5, 2016 at 12:42 am

      • With ANY Republican, even Jeb Bush, current immigration laws would be better enforced than with Clinton. There would be millions less Mexicans in this country 8 years from now than will be here because idiots like the oldTimer stuck us with an unelectable clown. Pathetic fool!

        Ron S

        October 5, 2016 at 1:26 am

      • the value of a Trump scenario is exactly 0 because he is not going to win.

        Trump is under performing the ticket in every contest (except Wi where he is down 5 and Johnson is down 7). He is literally the only candidate from the final 8 who could have lost this race. Even Carson would be doing better than this.

        Lion of the Turambar

        October 5, 2016 at 9:02 am

      • “With ANY Republican, even Jeb Bush, current immigration laws would be better enforced than with Clinton.”

        Uh huh. I guess you’re one of those people that, no matter how many times you burn you finger in the candle flame, you keep trying it again.


        October 5, 2016 at 9:54 am

      • “With ANY Republican, even Jeb Bush, current immigration laws would be better enforced than with Clinton…”

        I don’t know where you got that idea. Jeb! was running on only one domestic program, amnesty.

        Mike Street Station

        October 5, 2016 at 11:08 am

    • Hillary is preferable to any Republican not named “Trump”.

      Otis the Sweaty

      October 5, 2016 at 12:50 am

    • you’re hilarious.

    • Even if what you say is right, Pence winning would be nothing to get excited about. He is just a run of the mill TrueCon. Plus he is a hardcore neocon. He sounds just as anxious as Hillary to get in WW3 with Russia. I also don’t like that he is one of these criminal justice reform Republicans that have all of the sudden become all the rage. One of the things that attracted me to Republicans in the 90s is they were tough on crime. Now it’s getting near impossible to find that quality.

      While I definitely think Pence won the debate I wish more than ever Trump picked Jeff Sessions as his VP. That is someone who is truly on the same page as Trump. I also am now certain I will be anti-Pence in the 2020 primaries.

      Jay Fink

      October 5, 2016 at 2:41 am

    • Pence is just any other Republican, all he talked about during the debate was taxes and regulations. You know he wouldn’t do anything about trade or immigration.


      October 5, 2016 at 6:28 am

      • Neither do Democrats, who hate outsourcing, but love 3rd world immigrants.


        October 5, 2016 at 1:06 pm

  12. Finally watching this – Pence is a natural. Nice mention of the role of immigration on wages. Immigration should be a question in the remaining debates. I seem to remember that it was omitted from the Romney & Obama debates.


    October 5, 2016 at 6:03 am

    • “Pence is a natural.”

      You hit it. He’s everything Trump isn’t. Which is good.


      October 5, 2016 at 8:56 am

  13. I was very impressed with Pence’s performance. He’s a much better spokesman for Trump’s policies than Trump himself.


    October 5, 2016 at 8:29 am

    • I don’t think Pence really believes in Trump’s policies. He is far more establishment and status quo. My prediction is he will distance himself from Trump when he runs in 2020. My fear is we will have no one like Trump in 2020, just a bunch of business as usual Republicans.

      Jay Fink

      October 5, 2016 at 3:42 pm

  14. Pence was calm, cool and mostly collected defending himself and Trump. Kaine came across as excited, earnest and trying too hard.

    On optics Pence won.

    Now on content Pence was a disaster. Pence over and over calmly looked straight into the camera and said Trump never said things that I have seen Trump say. This left me with the impression that Pence is a world class sociopathic liar. The kind of guy that can look you in the eye and tell you the earth is flat when he knows it isn’t and he knows that you know it isn’t. Pence is way calmer at lying than Kaine. This left me with the impression that Pence in-spite of his professed religion is a sociopath.

    Now maybe there are low information voters who have not paid any attention to the campaign and don’t realize that Pence was lying when he denied Trump said those hard to defend things, but I suspect most of them were not watching the VP debate anyway.


    October 5, 2016 at 10:26 am

  15. curri

    October 5, 2016 at 10:52 am

  16. This is exactly what I talked about earlier. What is considered “winning” a debate is talking past the moderator, rarely addressing the opponents accusation and simply looking cool and collected. The more successfully you emulate Dick Cheney debating John Edwards, the more likely you will “win.”

    The problem with this strategy is that nothing of substance gets said. Maybe that is the point, I don’t know. The trouble with Kaine’s performance is that he really makes it unclear exactly why Hillary is running. If she is running on Obama’s third term, then she owns all the problems Obama created. If she is running against Obama, then she has no credibility, since she was part of that administration.


    October 5, 2016 at 11:31 am

  17. I didn’t watch the debate but everyone agrees Pence did much better. Unfortunately, people vote for president not vice president. So the benefits are limited. Also, one article I read said Pence was pushing the old ‘compassionate conservatism’ attitudes. I’m so sick of that crap. Republicans pushing that line should wear a sign that says “cuck”. I think Pence may be to Trump what Bush was to Reagan. What I mean is that the establishment didn’t want Reagan. So they withheld their support until he chose Bush as his veep. Then we ended up with that carpetbagger in 1988.


    October 5, 2016 at 11:53 am

    • @destructure –

      People sometimes vote for President, and in some cases, vote against the other guy (gal). And as I keep saying, this time they are voting only for themselves, with Trump as proxy.

      FWIW, this guy (who I think is a Bernie Bot), thinks Pence cleaned up:

      View story at

      I agree with him. I watched a bit. I listened to a bit. Pence was a silver fox and Kaine was insufferable.


      October 5, 2016 at 2:24 pm

      • I’m sure there will be plenty of people voting against the presidential candidate on both sides this year. But will anyone be voting against Pence or Kaine?


        October 5, 2016 at 5:54 pm

  18. Great that Pence won, but doesn’t matter. He’s the VP. If Trump can act more Pencey and less Trumpy for next two debates, THAT will make a difference. Ignore personal insults, speak only about issues that work for Trump (immigration, immigration, immigration, and economy), and ignore any questions that he doesn’t like.


    October 5, 2016 at 12:31 pm

  19. Trump back up by 1 in Ras.

    There are 3 pro Trump polls this cycle: Ras, LAT and UPI. Since the debate, LAT hasn’t moved, UPI has moved Trump +3 and Ras has moved Trump -4. Reuters and SurveyMonkey have Trump down big, but only by a point more each since the debate. There are polls that show Trump having lost a lot of ground since the debate but I don’t necessarily believe them.

    A strong debate on Sunday and we are back in the driver’s seat.

    Otis the Sweaty

    October 5, 2016 at 1:07 pm

    • I agree. A strong debate on Sunday could be key to Trump winning.


      October 5, 2016 at 7:48 pm

  20. i don’t know if any have mentioned it, but it seems clear, as with the “john miller” story, that the leak of trump’s 1995 returns to the NYTs came from…


    • it’s hilarious to see the NYTs reporters on charlie rose speculate about who sent these.

      trump plays the media again. that’s his genius.

  21. lion is against chomsky. the chomsk makes a good point.

  22. Wow, there certainly is a lot of name calling today. I for one thought that Pence did well in the debate last night and likely helped Trumps cause a bit. As a very lukewarm Trump supporter I like it that Pence seemed more adult than Kaine as well as more trustworthy than either Clinton or Trump.

    MaryK, you are not a moron in anyway shape or form, although the person who called you that may be!


    October 5, 2016 at 7:21 pm

  23. There are a few polls that have had Trump even or slightly ahead in the past couple days – Gravis, Reuters, UPI, Rasmussen. I think the Gravis/Breitbart one had him down 4 last time, so maybe some people had a pro-Clinton whim and now things have “snapped back.” I think across the board the polling still doesn’t look good, but the press collusion with Clinton has been so intense that maybe their methodology is pro-Clinton. I’ve seen pushback on this notion, but this election is the first time the press has been so openly out to get the Republican. They have basically stated that they view themselves as morally obligated to take Trump down. I’m not optimistic about the outcome, but still hopeful. As Gandalf said, “little hope, but not no hope.”

    Rogal Dorn

    October 5, 2016 at 9:11 pm

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